[06:36] <sorinello> Hello. Where can I see the release notes for Xubuntu 20.10 ?  I am looking at https://xubuntu.org/release/20-10/ but cannot see anything
[06:38] <Montresor> https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/20.10/release-notes
[06:54] <sorinello> @Montresor, thanks
[07:02] <sorinello> I think the release notes should be linked from the link I pasted as well, it is really hard to find the release notes on the wiki
[07:02] <sorinello> and I don't think users would expect to have to go to the wiki to see the release notes
[07:12] <sorinello> did anyone had issues with the login screen after migrating ? Migrating from 20.04 to 20.10 made my login screen to have black background and the top icons are missing, they show as broken icons
[07:55] <xtao> sorinello: yes i have the same thing
[07:55] <xtao> assume there must be bug then but you would think they would have tested that
[07:56] <Montresor> It really depends on drivers there, but release announcements mention amdgpu.
[07:56] <xtao> tried a few things thanks to people helping me last night but not fixed it yet
[07:57] <sorinello> Montresor, I have this issue on a VM, so no amd gpu
[07:57] <sorinello> at least not that I know of
[07:58] <sorinello> Xfce Settings Daemon: Sometimes does not run after logging in, resulting in appearance and configuration issues (1870641)
[07:59] <sorinello> I guess this is what I am hitting on my side from the release notes
[07:59] <Montresor> Ouch.
[07:59] <sorinello> but I have the issue BEFORE the logging screen
[07:59] <sorinello> the screen where I have to put the password
[08:00] <sorinello> and I am not running on a live session
[08:03] <xtao> mine is using intel graphics
[08:04] <xtao> yes me too. it works fine after logging in, but the lightdm login screen has broken icons and no wallpaper
[08:04] <xtao> so i don't think the user configuration matters here
[08:05] <xtao> the wallpaper and icons exist, checked that against the full path from the greeter config, so i think it's actually an issue with displaying them rather than the files not existing. but i can't work out what
[08:05] <Montresor> No, it wouldn't.  What files does `lightdm-gtk-greeter --help` claim it's reading and what are the contents of said files?
[08:07] <xtao> the first four files it mentions do not exist
[08:07] <sorinello> I'd like to help you Montresor to debug this, but I am not very familiar with how theseGUI apps work
[08:07] <xtao> the last one does and contains what you would expect. paths to the icon theme and wallpaper
[08:08] <xtao> which *do* exist
[08:08] <Montresor> (I really wish the greeter had something like `lightdm --show-config`)
[08:08] <xtao> that's why i think it's not missing files. i think it's a problem with displaying them for some reason. maybe something along the lines of selinux/apparmor etc blocking the ability to read them
[08:08] <xtao> not that ubuntu has selinux
[08:09] <Montresor> Note that lightdm also uses accountsservice in order to set the background.
[08:09] <xtao> what i tried last night with help from this channel was to reinstall lightdm, lightdm-gtk-greeter, lightdm-gtk-greet-settings, and dpg reconfigure them all. tried that several times with nothing helping
[08:11] <Montresor> 1. Check /var/lib/AccountsService/users/$USER  You could also try dpkg --verify lightdm-gtk-greeter lightdm
[08:12] <sorinello> Montresor, but can you confirm our issue ?
[08:12] <Montresor> Nope.
[08:13] <sorinello> :(
[08:14] <sorinello> I tried rm ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml .. it worked only once. next time login screen appeared, it was broken again
[08:15] <Montresor> Try setting the wallpaper to one of the defaults.
[08:15] <xtao> /var/lib/AccountsService/users/<me> exists dated last night and not this morning
[08:16] <xtao> i tried changing the wallpaper and icon theme settings, which does update /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf but it has no effect. same problem
[08:16] <sorinello> logging out is enough to trigger the behavior, you don't even need a restart
[08:17] <xtao> dpkg --verify shows the only file it is questioning is /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[08:17] <xtao> but that file is overwritten every time you change the settings, which has no effect
[08:20] <sorinello> I compared LightDM GTK+  Grteeter with the one from 20.04 (which is ok, they are the same)
[08:20] <sorinello> I set another theme in 20.10, and the theme change works, but the icons are still broken
[08:21] <xtao> well i'm glad somebody else has the same problem. it suggests there is a more general problem than just my own laptop. as more users upgrade hopefully one of them can find the problem here :)
[08:23] <sorinello> xtao, what Icons do you use in LightDM GTK+ Greeter settings ?
[08:23] <xtao> i upgraded from a pretty new install of 20.04.1 which was only about 1 month old and had nothing out of the ordinary installed/configured on it
[08:23] <Montresor> My apologies, I don't know lightdm-gtk-greeter or lightdm very well.  All else fails, you can check the log in /var/log/lightdm/ for more.
[08:23] <xtao> the default ones which was elemental-xfce-dark
[08:23] <xtao> when that's selected it deletes the icon line from the config file, if i select another one then the config line gets added but they are still broken
[08:23]  * xtao checks the log
[08:24] <xtao> ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1245): WARNING **: 09:02:55.072: [Background] Failed to read wallpaper: /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-focal.png
[08:24] <xtao> (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1245): Gtk-WARNING **: 09:02:55.143: Could not load a pixbuf from icon theme.
[08:24] <xtao> This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be found.
[08:25] <xtao> that wallpaper *does* exist
[08:25] <sorinello> I tried changing the wallpaper as well, I still get a black screen
[08:25] <xtao> yes. i tried that
[08:26] <sorinello> in GTK Greeter there is a debugging mode checkbox
[08:26] <sorinello> maybe if you enable that you will get more info
[08:26] <xtao> it also says "failed to execute command" with at-spi-bus-launcher and upstart
[08:26] <sorinello> check t he Misc. tab
[08:26] <xtao> oh also this.
[08:26] <xtao> ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1245): WARNING **: 09:02:55.072: [Background] Failed to load background: Failed to load image “/usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-focal.png”: Insufficient memory to load PNG file
[08:26] <xtao> it has *plenty* of memory
[08:28] <sorinello> this is definetely a bug somewhere
[08:29] <xtao> we need more people to upgrade and see if they get the same thing
[08:29] <xtao> in the meantime i need some coffee :)
[08:30] <sorinello> xtao, I tried putting a background color instead of wallpaper, that seems to work
[08:30] <sorinello> still no icons
[08:31] <sorinello> changing the position of the password window works as well
[08:38] <sorinello> xtao, try setting theme and icons to HighContrast see if the problem persists on your end
[08:39] <xtao> have you tried that?
[08:39] <sorinello> yes
[08:40] <sorinello> no more boken icons
[08:40] <xtao> interesting
[08:40] <xtao> i'll try that then. hang on
[08:40] <Montresor> Could try the audit on elementary-xfce-icon-theme, or simply reinstall it.
[08:41] <xtao> ok
[08:41] <xtao> yes that fixes it
[08:41] <xtao> and the wallpaper is back too
[08:42] <xtao> dpkg --verify shows no issues on elementary-xfce-icon-theme
[08:45] <xu-irc5w> hello, its possible to install xubuntu using usb? how to do it?
[08:50] <xtao> it is yes
[08:51] <sorinello> xtao, how can I check what is the issue that after I login, a popup appearts that "system program problem detected"
[08:51] <Montresor> Check what's in /var/crash/
[08:53] <xtao> xu-irc5w: download the installer, and then do something like dd if=./installer.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M conv=fdatasync
[08:53] <xtao> and then boot the computer holding down whatever key is needed to make it boot from USB, in my case F11 does it
[08:54] <xtao> (where sdb is the USB key)
[08:54] <sorinello> Montresor, I have one file called: _usr_sbin_lightdm-gtk-greeter.113.crash
[08:55] <sorinello> full of characters, no structure.
[08:56] <xu-irc5w> ok mate, i wil try
[08:56] <xu-irc5w> thanks
[09:04] <sorinello> xtao, I have no more ideas. I will not upgrade until this is fixed
[09:04] <sorinello> but if you find a workaround, please tell me. maybe even open a bug report
[09:04] <xtao> well as it only affects the login screen i don't care so much at the moment. once logged in the experience is fine
[09:04] <xtao> and mine isn't crashing at all
[09:05] <sorinello> yeah, mine stopped crashing as well. but there is clearly something wrong with the greeter
[09:05] <xtao> will just wait and see if others complain
[09:05] <xtao> otherwise yes. will raise a bug report. but not right now. need to work :)
[18:10] <xu-help2w> Hi there, I am currently installing xubuntu. I prepare the machine for my friend who is totally blind. Do you know guys what programs are out there helping blind people? I do not have any experience with accessibility programs
[19:22] <well_laid_lawn> xu-irc52w: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility
[19:22] <well_laid_lawn> oops
[21:21] <john2342352> hello! is there any way to get chromium with vaapi support on 20.10 with intel gpu?? Unfortunately snap from candidate/vaapi channel doesn't work anymore.
[21:34] <brainwash> john2342352: that sounds like a question for #ubuntu
[21:39] <john2342352> ok thnx