[00:54] <Dean_Guss> I saw this in journalctl: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e44f4705/
[00:54] <Dean_Guss> Is this spam expected behavior??
[00:55] <Dean_Guss> #embarrassing if so
[01:11] <JanC> are you talking about the MoTD stuff?
[01:11] <JanC> or something else?
[01:15] <Dean_Guss> JanC yep the content of the motd
[01:15] <JanC> MotD is sort of designed for that sort of stuff, I guess; and if you don't like it it shouldn't be hard to remove it...
[01:15] <JanC> probably remove motd-news-config
[01:15] <Dean_Guss> Designed to display somebody's advertisement?
[01:16] <Dean_Guss> It's quite clearly spam
[01:16] <Dean_Guss> disguised as "news"
[01:17] <mybalzitch> then go back to debian
[01:17] <Dean_Guss> I probably will
[01:17] <Dean_Guss> because that's pretty outrageous
[01:17] <mybalzitch> qq
[01:17] <JanC> IIRC Debian also has some MotD thing that can spam about certain software  :)
[01:18] <Dean_Guss> damn, really JanC?  I haven't run debian in forever
[01:18] <JanC> obviously they will only promote packages that are in Debian
[01:19] <JanC> anyway, remove the package I mentioned above, and it should go away
[01:20] <Dean_Guss> I will.. but seriously, whose idea was it to include such spam?  And where else is spam hidden on my system?
[01:20] <Dean_Guss> I prefer to be kosher and halal both!
[01:21] <JanC> you really shouldn't be surprised that Canonical news includes Canonical products
[01:22] <Dean_Guss> I guess you're right
[01:23] <Dean_Guss> I haven't run ubuntu in years either before this... the blatant spam just shocked the conscious I guess
[01:23] <JanC> and it seems to be open source too
[01:23] <Dean_Guss> I didn't realize it was a canonical product, at least that is better
[01:24] <Dean_Guss> but still pretty shocking
[01:25] <Dean_Guss> When you install an FOSS server OS you don't really expect to be spammed with commercial services
[01:25] <JanC> https://github.com/ubuntu/microk8s
[01:25] <Dean_Guss> but I guess I learned my lesson
[01:25] <JanC> it's not even a commercial service per se
[01:27] <JanC> more like an optional feature that's available for free?
[01:28] <Dean_Guss> Interesting ... well that feels better.  Still, strange that they're pushing it in my motd
[01:30] <Dean_Guss> lol when I try to remove the package it says:
[01:30] <Dean_Guss> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[01:30] <Dean_Guss>   motd-news-config ubuntu-server
[01:30] <Dean_Guss> I guess I can't remove it
[01:30] <JanC> you can probably just disable it also
[01:30] <Dean_Guss> yeah, I disabled the service
[01:30] <JanC> but removing a meta-package like ubuntu-server isn't going to destroy your server  :)
[01:31] <Dean_Guss> oh good. here goes
[01:31] <Dean_Guss> ty JanC
[01:32] <JanC> it might get re-installed on system-upgrades
[01:35] <JanC> IIRC it's implemented using a PAM module, so I assume that's also the level where to disable it
[01:45] <rfm> I believe the "canonical" way of disabling it is changing to  "ENABLED=0" in /etc/default/motd-news
[01:51] <TJ-> or deleting /etc/default/motd-news means it won't be replaced on package upgrades
[01:51] <TJ-> you can also selectively take away the 'x' mode bit from scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/ to stop them doing anything
[02:43] <JanC> right, the /etc/default/ stuff likely is the best way
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[06:34] <Bebef> teward: So if I have used Livepatch three times. I obviously only get a token three times and that's it? Or will records for servers that don't exist any more expired after some time and then I can generate a new token?
[07:26] <TJ-> why does the subiquity installer have such a poor user experience? surely by now it should be ready for prime time
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[12:47] <coreycb> jamespage: are you ok with the RelWithDebInfo change going back to bionic?
[12:47] <jamespage> yep
[12:47] <coreycb> jamespage: ok I c an work on that unless you have something in flight
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[13:40] <teward> Bebef: I don't have an answer for you; Livepatch and how that stuff works is all Canonical's stuff and I don't have knowledge into the inner workings / tracking on that
[13:47] <teward> TJ-: define 'poor user experience' - usually most of the problems I see reported about subiquity involve user error :P
[13:47] <teward> (and most users are 'lazy' and don't like 'change' to how installation stuff works)
[13:47] <teward> (at least, that's what I've seen)
[14:01] <TJ-> teward: try being visually impaired or blind for example, with a screen reader or other assistive technology
[14:02] <teward> TJ-: and this somehow *wasn't* a problem for the d-i install method that we used to have?
[14:02] <teward> if the answer to that question is "it was a problem there too" then you've got a bigger problem
[14:03] <teward> because that means *all* the server installers have suffered that problem
[14:03] <TJ-> teward: d-i was pretty good
[14:04] <TJ-> being able to return to the menu and choose which step you wanted to access for example; whereas with subiquity all there is is "Done" or "Back"
[14:05] <teward> that wasn't my question
[14:05] <TJ-> the fact there is no obvious way to get the partitioner to rescan (as opposed to d-is partman doing it endlessly
[14:05] <teward> TJ-: sounds like this needs a thread on the ML or such, or bug reports for new features on subiquity.  just my 2 cents
[14:06] <TJ-> yeah; i've posted 4 bug reports this morning
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