[01:13] <callmepkwu> goooood morning
[01:30] <duflu> Morning callmepkwu 
[01:31] <callmepkwu> morning duflu 
[07:05] <jibel> morning all
[07:07] <didrocks> good morning
[07:10] <jibel> salut didrocks 
[07:10] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:13] <duflu> Morning jibel, didrocks, oSoMoN 
[07:14] <jibel> salut duflu oSoMoN 
[07:17] <didrocks> salut jibel, oSoMoN, duflu 
[07:17] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[07:17] <oSoMoN> salut jibel, didrocks 
[07:18] <didrocks> early morning and fighting with buffered channels already :p
[07:19] <didrocks> (like: "I gave you a buffer, why, oh why are you blocking? :p)
[07:36] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:36] <didrocks> bah, it was stupid, a secondary structure declaration that I forgot to remove after debugging
[07:36] <didrocks> salut seb128 
[07:36] <seb128> lut didrocks, comment ça va ?
[07:36] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 
[07:36] <seb128> Trevinho, weekly simmary reminder
[07:36] <seb128> jamesh, oh and you!
[07:37] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, ça va comment ?
[07:37] <oSoMoN> bien, et toi?
[07:37] <seb128> nickel, j'ai réussi à dormir jusqu'à 7h30, ça fait du bien !
[07:37] <oSoMoN> \o/
[07:38] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, et toi ?
[07:38] <didrocks> seb128: where is your script? Looks like manual ping :p
[07:38] <seb128> didrocks, nickel ;-)
[07:39] <seb128> didrocks, it gave me the names, I'm fine still manually getting to nag people
[07:39] <didrocks> heh, you should write a sentence and just copy/paste :p
[07:43] <duflu> Morning seb128 
[07:59] <jibel> salut seb128 
[08:08] <lis> good morning everyone :)
[08:09] <duflu> Hi lis
[08:15] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepkwu duflu jibel didrocks oSoMoN seb128 lis
[08:15] <lis> duflu, marcustomlinson: good morning :)
[08:16] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson 
[08:22] <jibel> salut marcustomlinson 
[08:24] <jamesh> Trevinho: fyi, I've updated the description of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1897224 with the SRU information
[08:29] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson 
[08:59] <oSoMoN> good morning lis, marcustomlinson 
[08:59] <oSoMoN> afternoon jamesh 
[08:59] <jamesh> hi oSoMoN, and everyone else
[09:03] <Laney> yo
[09:06] <oSoMoN> yo Laney 
[09:07] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:07] <duflu> Implied hi jamesh :)
[09:11] <seb128> hey Laney, marcustomlinson, Fudge 
[09:11] <seb128> us
[09:11] <seb128> ups, duflu, can't type this morning!
[09:13] <Laney> moin oSoMoN duflu seb128 
[09:26] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney and jamesh
[09:39] <duflu> Thanks for upstreaming the plymouth fix seb128 
[09:40] <duflu> (it's merged)
[09:41] <seb128> duflu, np, ithe distro patch is also merged upstream now
[09:41] <seb128> ah, you said that :p
[09:42] <lis> seb128, Laney: hey :)
[09:42] <seb128> hey lis, how are you?
[09:42] <lis> seb128: pretty good.  moving at about 200km/h at the moment :)   how have you been?
[09:43]  * lis sees bad numbers from your part of the world :(
[09:43] <seb128> I'm alright, buuusy as usual and missing work trips
[09:43]  * lis didn't go inside a plane in entire 2020.  weirdo world!
[09:43] <seb128> indeed, same here
[09:52] <callmepkwu> hi marcustomlinson and morning/afternoon jibel didrocks oSoMoN seb128 
[09:52] <seb128> hey callmepkwu , how are you?
[09:52] <jibel> hi callmepkwu 
[09:53] <callmepkwu> seb128 Generally fine, bit busy on midterm exam and CI/CD this week
[09:57] <Laney> hey lis !!!
[09:57] <Laney> where are you on the way to?
[09:58] <didrocks> hey callmepkwu 
[09:58] <didrocks> good luck :)
[10:00] <callmepkwu> didrocks thanks ;)
[10:33] <Laney> too many pis
[10:33] <Laney> Just got very angry that I couldn't install the deps for g-i-s when they are definitely on the mirror
[10:34] <Laney> WELL I'd sshed to the wrong one and it's running focal not groovy
[10:42] <seb128> Laney, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1779890 something you could help with? I don't understand the systemd units enough to be clear on what is needed there
[10:43] <seb128> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gvfs/-/issues/481#note_894063 has a summary
[10:43] <seb128> 'Ubuntu has vendor preset: enabled for all the user units, so they get launched at logon and they won't get the environment we need them to have. Fedora, on the other hand, has vendor preset: disabled'
[10:45] <seb128> jibel, didrocks, ^ mentioning it to you in case that has some AD impact or you see some issues reported due to it
[10:48] <Laney> The fix they suggest is basically to disable user units by default unless explicitly enabled
[10:48] <jibel> seb128, noted, thanks.
[10:49] <seb128> Laney, sounds like that's not a fix and should be reopened?
[10:53] <didrocks> (ack)
[10:54] <didrocks> when you spend time to write a test properly trying to avoid timeout and see that the stdlib has a time.Sleep() in its test :p
[10:57] <Laney> I'll comment on the bug
[10:57] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[11:10] <PaulePanter> Hi. I tried to upgrade from Ubuntu 20.04 to 20.10, and after running `do-release-upgrade` several times, it is now done.
[11:11] <PaulePanter> But, `/etc/os-release` still shows 20.04 and base-files is 11ubuntu14.
[11:11] <PaulePanter> Is that expected?
[11:27] <Laney> laney@nightingale> curl -s http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_11ubuntu14_amd64.deb | dpkg --fsys-tarfile - | tar xO- ./usr/lib/os-release | egrep 'VERSION='                                 ~/temp
[11:27] <Laney> VERSION="20.10 (Groovy Gorilla)"
[11:38] <guiverc> PaulePanter, support is in #ubuntu
[12:30] <PaulePanter> Copying files to a Dell XPS 13 9310 from an USB (SSD) drive connected to a Dell DA300 adapter is noly working with 20 MB/s. :(
[12:30] <PaulePanter> *only
[12:31] <PaulePanter> Just wanted to note it here.
[12:35] <seb128> PaulePanter, it works better on another OS or it's the hardware?
[12:55] <PaulePanter> I’ll try it with a Chrome OS device later.
[12:56] <PaulePanter> Laney, guiverc: There is `/usr/lib/os-release.oem-release`. :/
[12:56] <ogra> that wont tel much about the XPS hardware 
[12:56] <PaulePanter> https://paste.debian.net/1168817/
[12:56] <PaulePanter> ogra: Sorry, that is about the upgrade to 20.10 problem mentioned earlier.
[12:57] <ogra> PaulePanter, i meant comparing the SSD between a "chrome OS device" and the XPS 
[13:09] <PaulePanter> ogra: It’s about the copying speed from external USB drive.
[13:10] <ogra> yes
[13:10]  * PaulePanter has no idea, what oem-release is doing, as `dpkg -L` only shows doc files.
[13:11] <PaulePanter> https://paste.debian.net/1168820/
[13:12] <PaulePanter> Anyway, purging the package seems to have unconfused the update-manager.
[13:12] <lis> Laney: hannover
[13:12] <lis> i come here once a week — every tuesday
[13:17] <lis> martinpitt deleted the allisonkarlitskaya:unit-tests-wedge-tracer branch 2 minutes ago 
[13:17] <lis> er.  wrong place sorry :)
[13:28] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[13:28] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[13:29] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: meeting is in an hour due to dailylight savings just fyi :)
[13:29] <hellsworth> ok great thanks for telling me :)
[13:30] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[13:30] <didrocks1> hey hellsworth 
[13:30] <hellsworth> hi folks!
[13:31] <luna_> hey
[13:34] <jibel> Goodm orning hellsworth 
[13:35] <hellsworth> hiya jibel , luna_ 
[14:01] <seb128> today I learnt that git silently ignore empty directories
[14:01] <seb128> spent some time debugging why that built fail
[14:02] <seb128> turns out that you can do, mkdir dir; git add dir; <hack some other change>; git commit; git status
[14:02] <seb128> seems fine, uptodated, etc
[14:02] <seb128> but the repo doesnt have the dir
[14:02] <seb128> confusing!
[14:03] <marcustomlinson> ha yeah..
[14:03] <seb128> git is clearly not vcs for human being :-/
[14:06] <mgedmin> the convention is to touch emptydir/.gitignire; git add emptydir, but yeah
[14:07] <seb128> mgedmin, right, I know how to workaround it now that I understand the problem, it's just very confusing why it was not there
[14:07] <seb128> t's a project converted from bzr to git where build started failing
[14:08] <seb128> kenvandine, fyi I moved the thunderbird snap to git now, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/thunderbird/+git/snap
[14:08] <kenvandine> seb128: cool
[14:09] <kenvandine> seb128: i saw build failures
[14:09] <kenvandine> were those before or after moving it?
[14:11] <seb128> kenvandine, those were due to the git & empty dir issue I was just speaking about
[14:11] <seb128> we had profiles/extensions in the vcs
[14:11] <kenvandine> ah
[14:11] <seb128> and we did a cp -r profiles target
[14:11] <seb128> then cp things to extensions
[14:11] <seb128> the empty dir was missing due to git
[14:12] <seb128> I just fixed that by adding a mkdir instead
[14:29] <Wimpress> Afternoon desktoppers o/
[14:29] <marcustomlinson> hey Wimpress
[14:29] <oSoMoN> hey Wimpress 
[14:29] <didrocks1> good afternoon
[14:30] <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-27
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 27 14:30:15 2020 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:30] <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[14:30] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:30] <hellsworth> o/
[14:30] <kenvandine> o/
[14:30] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:31] <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[14:31] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:31] <Wimpress> All clear ^
[14:31] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <Wimpress> Everything is assigned ^
[14:32] <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[14:32] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1899206
[14:34] <Wimpress> Trevinho: Looks like you've been investigating that one.
[14:34] <Trevinho> Wimpress: well I imagine the trigger, so I guess I can look yes
[14:35] <Wimpress> Thanks
[14:36] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1873052
[14:37] <Wimpress> That is actually assign via xorg
[14:37] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1886092
[14:38] <Wimpress> OK, that is also assigned. Thanks hellsworth 
[14:38] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:38] <Laney> The tags need fixing on these things otherwise they will come back next week
[14:39] <hellsworth> yep. the lo one is for the next sru. ok so remove incoming and add tracking?
[14:40] <Wimpress> Yes please.
[14:40] <hellsworth> k
[14:40] <Laney> you need to 'target to series'
[14:40] <Laney> do you have that ui hellsworth?
[14:40] <seb128> she probably doesn't
[14:41] <seb128> that's limited to some group, I don't remember which one now though
[14:41] <hellsworth> i do... does that look right now?
[14:41] <seb128> ah, I was wrong then
[14:41] <seb128> I though it was only for uploaders or something
[14:41] <Laney> drop rls-ff-tracking and yeah (that's probably a noop though)
[14:41] <hellsworth> i'm part of the LO group so maybe that's it?
[14:41] <hellsworth> oh so no tracking
[14:41] <Laney> no the targetting makes it be tracking
[14:42] <Laney> no need for a tag there
[14:42] <Laney> ok carry on!
[14:42] <hellsworth> ty
[14:42] <Wimpress> Wilcom :-)
[14:43] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1896073
[14:43] <Wimpress> Looks like Seb is working that one.
[14:44] <seb128> why is that listed?
[14:44] <oSoMoN> because it's targetted to focal
[14:44] <Wimpress> Targeting Focal perhaps with no assignee?
[14:44] <Wimpress> I've assigned you Seb.
[14:45] <Wimpress> I'll skip the Spice bug.
[14:45] <seb128> ah, because status was changed from fix commited to in progress
[14:45] <seb128> thx
[14:45] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1855757
[14:47] <oSoMoN> this should probably be assigned to Daniel
[14:47] <Wimpress> Yes, seems so.
[14:49] <Wimpress> I think that is every from ff-tracking
[14:49] <seb128> +1
[14:49] <Wimpress> #topic rls-gg-bugs
[14:49] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:49] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1901548
[14:50] <Wimpress> OK, that is assigned already. Thanks Laney 
[14:51] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1900334
[14:51] <seb128> it's a leftover, I failed to untag
[14:52] <seb128> and it has been handled also by oSoMoN  and kenvandine (unsure if there is a new snap uploaded yet but at least it's commited)
[14:52] <oSoMoN> it is fixed by two separate commits in gtk-common-themes, nothing to do in chromium
[14:52] <kenvandine> not yet
[14:52] <oSoMoN> I'll close the chromium bug
[14:52] <Wimpress> I've dropped the tag and changed the status
[14:53] <kenvandine> the yaru guys asked to hold off until their SRU hits focal
[14:53] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1896878
[14:54] <Wimpress> tseliot: Is that one for you? ^
[14:55] <tseliot> Wimpress, I'll have a look, thanks
[14:55] <Wimpress> Cheers
[14:55] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1901272
[14:56] <Wimpress> I think waveform is looking into that one ^
[14:57] <Wimpress> Assigned Dave for now.
[14:57] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1900009
[14:58] <Wimpress> Looks like Daniel is on that one. Assigning to him.
[14:59] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:00] <Wimpress> That all looks to be hand ^
[15:00] <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[15:00] <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[15:01] <seb128> I think we can skip that one
[15:01] <seb128> new serie isn't open yet so not much we can do atm
[15:01] <seb128> things are still moving
[15:01] <Wimpress> OK
[15:01] <Wimpress> #topic AOB
[15:01] <hellsworth> what is the new series called btw? i haven't seen any HH names...
[15:02] <xnox> Laney:  https://launchpad.net/~cloud-images/+livefs/ubuntu/groovy/cpc hyperv ubuntu desktop preinstalled image fails to build
[15:02] <kenvandine> hirsute
[15:02] <kenvandine> not sure about the animal yet
[15:02] <xnox> Laney:  from the log, "ubuntu-desktop" package/task is never installled it seems........ yet nothing w.r.t. to that has changed!
[15:02] <hellsworth> ah ok.. i was going to suggest hardtimes hippo..
[15:02] <hellsworth> :)
[15:02] <kenvandine> :)
[15:03] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, there's a discourse thread for this: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-21-04-hh-code-name-suggestions/15622
[15:03] <hellsworth> ah perfect :)
[15:04] <Wimpress> Anything else to discuss?
[15:04] <seb128> not from me
[15:05] <Wimpress> 5...
[15:05] <Wimpress> 4...
[15:05] <Wimpress> 3...
[15:05] <Wimpress> last chance ;-)
[15:05] <Wimpress> OK, thanks everyone
[15:05] <Wimpress> #endmeeting
[15:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 27 15:05:43 2020 UTC.  
[15:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-10-27-14.30.moin.txt
[15:05] <hellsworth> k thanks
[15:05] <oSoMoN> thanks 
[15:05] <kenvandine> hellsworth: i'm just going to call it hairy :-D
[15:05] <Wimpress> Agree ^
[15:05] <hellsworth> oh i like it
[15:06] <hellsworth> hairy the henderson?
[15:06] <hellsworth> :)
[15:12] <greyltc[m]1> hey everyone. I just made a new lightdm greeter
[15:12] <greyltc[m]1> https://github.com/greyltc/cmd-greeter
[15:12] <Laney> xnox: would be useful if we did more than one build per cycle of this thing wouldn't it
[15:12] <greyltc[m]1> I'd like to hear any feedback!
[15:22] <Laney> xnox: but I don't understand it anyway, that directory it is moaning about is shipped by snapd deb which is installed
[15:23] <xnox> Laney:  i see that snapd is installed in the builder; but not in the chroot/image we are bulding.
[15:24] <xnox> Laney:  i also don't see "ubuntu-desktop" being installed prior to that.
[15:24] <xnox> Laney:  as if somehow, add_task install minimal ubuntu-desktop => did not happen.
[15:24] <Laney> right it's not
[15:24] <Laney> isn't it the in-target snapd that's used for seeding or no?
[15:24] <Laney> + cd chroot/var/lib/snapd/seed
[15:24] <Laney> + SNAPPY_STORE_NO_CDN=1 snap download --cohort= --channel=stable/ubuntu-20.10 gnome-3-34-1804
[15:24] <Laney> maybe not
[15:25] <xnox> Laney:  we have use seeding term for two different things =))))) the offline cashing of snaps is done using snapd that is simply available on the builder; whereas first-boot optiminisation and precalculation of firstboot tasks is done using snapd from the chroot.
[15:26] <xnox> i think (hope!) i got that right =)
[15:26] <Laney> but that's Task: ubuntu-desktop-minimal and this task does get installed
[15:26] <xnox> checking.
[15:26] <Laney> so why no snapd shipping this directory: don't know
[15:26] <Laney> why no ubuntu-desktop task: don't know
[15:26] <Laney> stage 0 of investigating a bug: feel stupid: complete
[15:26] <Laney> :)
[15:27] <xnox> ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop-minimal => installed in focal build log
[15:27] <xnox> ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop-minimal => _do not appear_ in groovy build log
[15:27] <xnox> if one doesn't install ubuntu-desktop-minimal; one will not install snapd; and one will not desktop image today =)
[15:27] <xnox> yeah
[15:28] <xnox> Laney:  so next step, is to crank up the livebuild debugging? and read the extra incomprehensible build log?
[15:29] <Laney> I mean the metapackage is not, but gnome-shell and half of its stuff is.
[15:30] <Laney> set -x somewhere!
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/master d8aa4ec Iain Lane debian/patches/ (8 files) * Don't cast a GtkLabel into a GisSnapTile * https://deb.li/3UsCs
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/master a50b305 Iain Lane debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/it7XU
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/master 1f5cd28 Iain Lane debian/changelog * Finalise changelog * https://deb.li/3Vdn
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/focal 1cc89c1 Iain Lane * pushed 93 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/32O37
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/focal 2043bcf Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * Rebuild with the new gnome-desktop soname * https://deb.li/zMBU
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/focal 946dcf1 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to focal * https://deb.li/38ZKF
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/focal 2a1bdda Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/0001-Add-Ubuntu-mode-with-special-pages.patch * https://deb.li/HZYi
[18:18] <KGB-2> * debian/patches/0001-Add-Ubuntu-mode-with-special-pages.patch:
[18:18] <KGB-2>   - don't add non existant sources to the translation template,
[18:18] <KGB-2>     should fix the translations import (lp: #1859960)
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/focal f77071c Sebastien Bacher (33 files in 7 dirs) * Merge remote-tracking branch 'salsa/debian/master' into ubuntu/master * https://deb.li/3SVOh
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/focal bc6659e Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to focal * https://deb.li/NJT2
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/groovy af57512 Iain Lane * pushed 109 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/igMPC
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/groovy 83e4391 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to Debian * https://deb.li/2c4g
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/groovy 616b8c3 Sebastien Bacher NEWS debian/changelog gnome-initial-setup/pages/keyboard/gis-keyboard-page.c meson.build * Merge branch 'debian/master' into ubuntu/master * https://deb.li/3hMzl
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/groovy 36471bb Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/8VDx
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/groovy 0b9584a Sebastien Bacher (7 files in 4 dirs) * Merge branch 'debian/master' into ubuntu/master * https://deb.li/3NxsE
[18:19] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/groovy a4fbd20 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/ROj4
[18:19] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup signed tags 9a6feab Iain Lane ubuntu/3.36.2-0ubuntu2 * gnome-initial-setup Debian release 3.36.2-0ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/3zJvD
[18:19] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup signed tags 1401f08 Iain Lane ubuntu/3.38.1-1ubuntu2_20.10.1 * gnome-initial-setup Debian release 3.38.1-1ubuntu2~20.10.1 * https://deb.li/33ZRj
[18:19] <KGB-2> gnome-initial-setup signed tags e14e091 Iain Lane ubuntu/3.38.1-1ubuntu2 * gnome-initial-setup Debian release 3.38.1-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/iO8nR