[05:57] <tsimonq2> o/
[06:03] <tsimonq2> Jenkins going down for updates.
[06:16] <tsimonq2> Phabricator updated, confirmed daemons are back up.
[06:17] <tsimonq2> T102
[06:17] <tsimonq2> hmm
[06:17] <tsimonq2> how did that go again?
[06:17] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T109
[06:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Manual as PDF: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T109
[06:17] <tsimonq2> AHA
[06:18] <tsimonq2> Lugito back up.
[06:18] <tsimonq2> Now I can say with confidence that the host reboot was successful.
[06:31] <tsimonq2> Jenkins itself updated, updating plugins.
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[17:12] <tsimonq2> Let's move this here...
 Okie dokie
[17:13] <tsimonq2> Dan, do you think we should give a Thunderbird switch a try once we have dailies?
 Yes, I do :P
 Trojita seems a little stale.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> I agree.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> It'll also give time for our famous dissenter to show up. ;)
 We already have Firefox, not sure how much more GTK Tbird brings.
[17:14] <tsimonq2> Let me give it a try in a fresh Groovy VM after I sync my ISOs, sec
[17:46] <wxl> as someone who uses thunderbird everyday for work, i'll say that thunderbird sucks
[17:46] <wxl> it's probably the most full featured option out of any email client out there
[17:46] <wxl> but it sucks
 heh
[17:46] <tsimonq2> And the dissenter appears. :)
 wxl: better than MS Outlook
[17:46] <wxl> it certainly is a massive memory hog. like ridiculous.
[17:46] <tsimonq2> ^
[17:46] <tsimonq2> I can say that absolutely 10000000%
 Email clients suck.
 email in general sucks
 100%
 and you're talking to an IT Security guy who has BUILT email systems out for clients
[17:47] <wxl> my preferred email client is mutt which i will say is fantastic in about every way imaginable except that it's not graphical
[17:47] <tsimonq2> Let's switch back to the carrier pigeon. I'm sure wxl knows how to work one of those. XD
 lol
 lets just switch to smoke signals or morse code
[17:48] <wxl> i can say in a similar sense that libreoffice is the best option out there for productivity software, but it, too, sucks
 wxl: so, basically, everything sucks, is what you're saying
 +1
 :P
 +1 XD
[17:48] <wxl> the problem with libreoffice is there's no other solution remotely close to being functional/useful
[17:49] <wxl> well, maybe wps or whatever it is
[17:49] <tsimonq2> Everything and everyone sucks, and we're all doomed for eternity. Next?
[17:49] <tsimonq2> XD
 and I mean we all know Simon sucks, but he openly admits that so 😆 *shot*  (just taking a friendly jab at ya Simon, no hard feelings)
[17:49] <wxl> but of course wps is proprietary so that's out anyways
[17:49] <wxl> point being that, yes, everything sucks
[17:49] <tsimonq2> Oh I know I mess up on the regular but at least apt-ghetto follows behind me with a broom XD
[17:49] <wxl> so we just have to decide which pain is the best pain
 Thunderbird seems like the best of the worst.
[17:50] <wxl> i think relative to sylpheed which lubuntu offered FOREVER, trojita is a huge improvement
[17:51] <wxl> it's not seeing a lot of work on it, which is not great
[17:52] <wxl> relative to lxde, though, it's far less dead
[17:53] <tsimonq2> I hate to say it, but the only activity in the LXDE project these days is insisting they're still active...
[17:53] <wxl> hahahahah SO TRUE
 LOL
[17:54] <kc2bez> I see some commits for Trojita in August but they haven't released a new version since before the 18.10 cycle.
[17:55] <wxl> even as of this month i see responses to bug reports, which is a good sign
[17:55] <wxl> it certainly has been a long time in coming with a new version, but it's not dead
[17:55] <kc2bez> There was chatter about pushing a new one out but it seems to have died down.
 it's stale though wxl
[17:56] <wxl> we will inherit thunderbird's problems (which are many) if we go with it
 if they don't release new versions it's either stale or bitrot
[17:56] <wxl> including what will ultimately be a fair number of people complaining about its footprint
[17:56] <wxl> i mean we STILL have people arguing about whether chromium or firefox is lighter, so
 here's a suggestion.  keep trojita or w/e is being used now, but in the release notes make a note that if you need another email client due to problems, etc. Thunderbird is the go-to but that it has a bigger footprint (and don't whine about it)
 that way we don't have to do any big footprint changes
[17:57] <wxl> so i think it might be wise to actually inquire with trojita developers and see what the plan is
 but we still show that since there may be bitrot or limits in trojita we have a recommended alternative
 or talk to trojita first
[17:58] <wxl> if there's no response or even so much as a "not much time these days" kind of thing, maybe it's worth considering getting rid of it
[17:59] <wxl> i wouldn't say the decision one way or another is very cut and dry. i'm not sure i call that much of a dissent.
 *puts out a public poll for best email client in the repositories, waits for the hellstorm to arise*
[18:03] <wxl> you mean like the recent email about calendar integration?
[18:09] <kc2bez> I asked in the Trojita IRC channel what the ETA for a new release was.
[19:10] <tsimonq2> Thanks Dan
 thanks @aptghetto that thing for jenkins for the manual actually fixed another problem with the pdf version of the manual that ended up making the outline much more useful for the pdf version of the manual
[20:59] <kc2bez> The recommendation from Trojita is to use a snapshot from master. 
 @lynorian [thanks @aptghetto that thing for jenkins for the manual actually fixed another p …], Cool, thanks for testing it locally. … I hope that the Jenkins job will be working soon.
[21:29] <wxl> why don't we test it with a snapshot and see how stable it is?
 sounds like it's time for a PPA! xD
 wxl: ^