=== cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [14:55] * bdmurray looks around === Deviltour is now known as RabbitOne [14:59] o/ [14:59] o/ [14:59] o/ [15:00] o/ [15:00] #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team [15:00] Meeting started Thu Oct 29 15:00:35 2020 UTC. The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: [15:00] #topic Lightning Round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Lightning Round [15:00] o/ [15:01] echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint mwhudson juliank waveform slyon) [15:01] juliank rbalint mwhudson vorlon tdaitx sil2100 xnox doko slyon bdmurray waveform [15:01] hola [15:01] * python-apt: [15:01] - Rely on distro-info to expand templates for concrete releases instead of copy and pasting them (LP: #1727470) - https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/python-apt/-/merge_requests/52 [15:01] Launchpad bug 1727470 in Ubuntu Translations "[RFE] Automatically update the Ubuntu version strings in python-apt" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1727470 [15:01] - Rename Cdrom and Disc to (installation) medium (LP: #1849406); only committed so far [15:01] Launchpad bug 1849406 in python-apt (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 19.10: "Cdrom" to "Physical media"" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1849406 [15:01] * oh no, an apt installation ordering issue (debian bug 973305). making some bits configure less immediate, but turning on immediate configuration makes it work; odd, eh? [15:01] Debian bug 973305 in apt "apt-get throws error when run with --simulate and APT::Immediate-Configure set to "false"" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/973305 [15:01] * +1 maintenance [15:02] (done or do people want +1 details here too?) [15:02] (short week due to holidays) [15:02] * partner work [15:02] * systemd reviews [15:02] * +1 maintenance [15:02] * proposed a more complete fix for LP: #1891686 [15:02] Launchpad bug 1891686 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "Please default to nocheck on riscv64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891686 [15:02] * updated strace to new upstream [15:02] * sponsored logrotate via Debian before merging it in Ubuntu to fix FTBFS [15:02] * merged logrotate [15:02] * preparing systemd 246.6-2ubuntu1 for hirsute [15:02] * preparing glibc 2.32-0ubuntu4 for hirsute, landing today night/tomorrow morning [15:02] * britney hints bzr->git migration [15:02] (done) [15:03] vorlon: ? [15:03] How about tdaitx? [15:03] * openjdk security updated [15:03] - openjdk-8 updated to 8u272-b10, aarch32 hotspot (armhf) repo was not up-to-date and was patched [15:03] - openjdk-11 updated to 11.0.9-11 [15:03] - rebased openjdk-lts on top of debian's openjdk-11 just before push [15:03] oops - I'll go after tdaitx [15:03] - 3 retries for openjdk-11 armhf to pass with gcc-10 [15:04] - now tracking errors.u.c and lp for any bug reports [15:04] * proposed fix for update-notifier (bug 1821412) (approved, now needs merge, upload, srus...) [15:04] bug 1821412 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) ""System program problem" report button does nothing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821412 [15:04] * jck [15:04] - working around jenkins/snap restrictions for accounts outside /home [15:04] - working around proxy limitations/bugs in snap/lxd/snacraft/multipass [15:04] - working around lack of shitfs [15:04] - working around other workarounds [15:04] Other: [15:04] - hatting the guts of jenkaas sso integration and its short lived cookies [15:04] (done) [15:04] sil2100: [15:04] - 20.10 release last week! [15:04] - SRU reviews and releases [15:04] - Archive opening [15:04] - Adding notes about ubuntu-image specific hacks in the manpage [15:04] - Experimented with and prepared a new google-cloud-sdk for xenial partner-proposed [15:04] * shiftfs [15:04] - Looked into the raspi-config project and uploaded it into NEW [15:04] - Promoted new core18 to stable [15:04] - Forward-ported changes for making the core20 version number date-based as for core18 [15:04] - Reviewed Lukas's netplan fix for systemd-networkd misconfiguration [15:04] - Interviews [15:04] - Some bileto tweaks [15:05] - Familiarized with ubiquity code, worked on providing user feedback of ubuntu-drivers running - almost there [15:05] ok or not ;) [15:05] (done) [15:05] * release opening checklist [15:05] * doing my merges for te beginning of cycle [15:05] * cloud image discussions [15:05] (done) [15:05] 29th October [15:05] fixing bootloader installation in livecd-rootfs [15:05] fixing hyperv gallery image in livecd-rootfs [15:05] testing riscv64 lxd builder to build livecd-rootfs images (cpc & buildd) [15:05] uploaded mdadm to fix degraded/dirty assembly to hirsuite, todo SRUs [15:05] grub2 sru to bionic accepted; need validation [15:05] submitted patch to snapcraft to build build-base core22 snaps [15:05] done [15:06] doko: [15:06] slyon: [15:06] - ISO testing [15:06] * Found problem with ZFS installation, LP: #1900859 [15:06] - Improved cloud-init MAAS/OVS fix, PR#608 [15:06] - klibc merge 2.0.8 via git-ubuntu, LP: #1900124 [15:06] - Working on MOTU application [15:06] === Netplan === [15:06] Launchpad bug 1900859 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ZFS installation crashes while loading modules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900859 [15:06] Launchpad bug 1900124 in klibc (Ubuntu) "Please merge klibc 2.0.8-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900124 [15:07] - IRC/AskUbuntu support [15:07] - MAAS/OVS SRU + verification, LP: #1898997 [15:07] - Updated gateway documentation & prepared LP: #1901836 [15:07] - Fixed regression upstream, LP: #1888726 [15:07] - Improved Github CI, using GH Actions + Codecov [15:07] - Working on 'netplan try' DBus commands, PR#134 [15:07] (done) [15:07] Launchpad bug 1898997 in cloud-init "MAAS cannot deploy/boot if OVS bridge is configured on a single PXE NIC" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1898997 [15:07] Launchpad bug 1901836 in netplan "netplan should warn/fail if multiple default gateways are defined" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901836 [15:07] Launchpad bug 1888726 in netplan.io (Ubuntu Focal) "systemd-udevd regression: some renamed network interfaces stuck in "pending" state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888726 [15:07] modified snap remove code to print the date for IS [15:07] sponsored waveform's fix for LP: #1836475 (twice!) [15:07] uploaded tzdata 2020b for Groovy LP: #1900436 (more than twice) [15:07] uploaded tzdata 2020d SRUs for P, T, X, B, F, G [15:07] Launchpad bug 1836475 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Groovy) "update-notifier-common weekly cron job runs at the same time for all computers across the globe" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1836475 [15:07] Launchpad bug 1900436 in tzdata (Ubuntu) "new upstream release 2020b" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900436 [15:07] created a test case for verifying icu-data updates [15:07] SRU verification of tzdata uploads [15:07] research into LP: #1872106 [15:07] updated ubuntu-manpages-repository: -Eoan +Groovy +Hirsute [15:07] submitted RT to have it done on the server [15:07] Launchpad bug 1872106 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu Focal) "isc-dhcp-server crashing constantly [Ubuntu 20.04]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1872106 [15:07] reported slideshow bug LP: #1900756 [15:07] uploaded u-r-u for 21.04 [15:07] updated meta-release for hirsute [15:07] worked with sil2100 on distro-info-data [15:07] groovy release stuff [15:07] Launchpad bug 1900756 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-kylin slideshow still contains information about 5.4 kernel" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900756 [15:07] ✔ done [15:07] waveform: [15:08] * Still using the pi desktop image :) [15:08] * Answering lots of questions from the community about the new destkop image (mostly USB boot related)! [15:08] * Worked on userland MIR (lower priority post-release) (LP: #1895137) [15:08] * Investigated dual monitor issue on pi desktop (appears to be hi-res only) [15:08] Launchpad bug 1895137 in rpi-eeprom (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rpi-eeprom; raspberrypi-userland" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1895137 [15:08] * Investigating bluetooth reboot issue; can't reliably reproduce at the moment (LP: #1901272) [15:08] Launchpad bug 1901272 in pi-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Can't connect Bluetooth devices after reboot - Ubuntu 20.10 on Raspberry Pi 4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901272 [15:08] * Updated pi-gadget to fix stored MAC address in Core 18 bootloader (LP: #1900879) [15:08] Launchpad bug 1900879 in snap-core18 "MAC addresses hard-coded in bootloader" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900879 [15:08] * Worked on Core 20 d-t boot issues [15:08] * ... more work on Core 20 d-t boot issues after realizing first solution can't work [15:08] (done) [15:08] doko: ? [15:09] #topic Release Incoming Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Release Incoming Bugs [15:09] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:10] bug 1902025 [15:10] bug 1902025 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "hwe kernel not scoped under "Ubuntu Base"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1902025 [15:10] I've sorted by number and descending [15:11] This doesn't seem terribly important [15:12] So let's sit on it [15:12] +1 [15:12] bug 1901723 [15:12] bug 1901723 in openssl (Ubuntu) "backport Refactor BN_R_NO_INVERSE logic in internal functions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901723 [15:12] What is the motivation for doing this? [15:13] +1 [15:13] Okay, let's card that. [15:14] mclemenceau: ^ [15:14] you got it [15:14] bug 1901137 [15:14] bug 1901137 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "UEFI on Legacy - grub-install fails due to no space left on ESP" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901137 [15:15] Is this really Critical? [15:15] I'd say no [15:16] But still worth sorting out [15:16] this can break upgrades [15:16] but we do need to decide what to do regarding the various edge cases of ESP when installer is booted under BIOS, yes [15:17] okay, let's card that [15:17] ack [15:17] bug 1901043 [15:17] bug 1901043 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No sound in ubiquity-dm with nomodeset" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901043 [15:19] Let's call that medium [15:19] is this really a ubiquity bug or is it a kernel bug? [15:19] to be determined. [15:19] and pass on it for now [15:19] ok [15:20] bug 1900925 [15:20] bug 1900925 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Advanced features dialog w/ screen reader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900925 [15:20] I noticed this when doing iso testing. [15:21] I'm not certian how important it is [15:21] hm, I would take it [15:22] Could it be a larger problem than just the ubiquity dialog? [15:22] Like something in the screen reading stack. [15:22] we could dynamically remove/add label, but then it would make the popup resize which is a UX no-no. [15:22] I doubt it, I think it's probably something we should do better in ubiquity [15:23] okay, lets take a card for that [15:23] ok [15:23] bug 1898778 [15:23] bug 1898778 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "RPCNFSDARGS missing from /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1898778 [15:25] let's take that then [15:25] bug 1897929 [15:25] bug 1897929 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "secure boot password "password" is reported to be 'good'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1897929 [15:26] we shouldn't be doing password quality checks at all on the mok password [15:26] so that's the thing to fix here [15:26] can you comment to that affect on the bug? [15:26] but I don't think it's all that high priority, unless there are circumstances in which we're telling users their mok password is bad [15:26] yes [15:27] commented [15:27] bug 1894919 [15:27] bug 1894919 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Focal) "gnome-software-plugin-snap consider an unwanted removal for 20.04 ubuntu-desktop" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1894919 [15:28] We should still sort out what is considered and unwanted removal. [15:28] if this is already triaged for focal, shouldn't we automatically take it for devel? [15:32] bug 1893964 [15:32] bug 1893964 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installation of Ubuntu Groovy with manual partitioning without an EFI System Partition fails on 'grub-install /dev/sda' even on non-UEFI systems" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1893964 [15:32] this sounds like it's a duplicate of the other bug we discussed? [15:32] kind of, but slightly different reproducer [15:32] (manual rather than any of the automatic recipes) [15:33] should we allow installations without ESP? [15:33] maybe [15:33] i think so [15:33] explicit and warn? or even no warning? [15:33] well, rule 1, we shouldn't allow the user to leave the partitioner with a config that will lead to an install failure later [15:33] what about legacy systems where there is no space for ESP [15:33] in subiquity we create esp whenver we can, and it's just there. [15:33] juliank: what about no space for grub-pc? [15:33] rule 2, if the user can't have an ESP for whatever reason, we should let the install proceed without setting up grub-efi* [15:34] there are quite usable non-UEFI systems [15:34] ack [15:34] take the bug then. [15:34] xnox: no space for grub-pc, if booting on uefi, should warn, but not fail [15:34] sorry, fooled by the DST change [15:34] taken [15:34] doko: yeap, we guessed. [15:35] Is it carded? [15:36] bug 1891721 [15:36] bug 1891721 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-multi-install attempts to mount a non-existing device after migrating to another system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891721 [15:36] this one is fun. [15:36] we somehow notice and install on usb-stick's ESP [15:36] and then break when it is unplugged. [15:37] usb stick with the installer? or something else? [15:37] I saw that before [15:37] i wonder if grub-multi-install should ignore removable media; which is not rootfs? [15:37] usb stick with something else. [15:37] xnox: not really [15:37] neato [15:37] we should take it [15:37] xnox: So you might want to have ESP on USB stick [15:37] and take it with you [15:38] ok vorlon: carded [15:38] bug 1884248 then [15:38] bug 1884248 in networkd-dispatcher (Ubuntu) "networkd-dispatcher gives corrupted information" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1884248 [15:39] juliank you tagged this bug do you have anything to add? [15:39] I haven't reproduced it, but I guess it needs fixing [15:40] Also new upstream releases to upload exist I think [15:40] okay [15:41] it is valid json.... bu thte keys and valu es l ook malforme d. [15:43] bug 1878601 we sort of talked about already [15:43] bug 1878601 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "nfs-utils in Debian and Ubuntu is *very* old" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1878601 [15:43] ok carded [15:43] so card that [15:44] bug 1874287 [15:44] bug 1874287 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Focal) "ubiquity must allow debconf database access when ubuntu-drivers executes apt-get install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874287 [15:44] that already has a card [15:44] then our dbus time out friend [15:44] bug 1424768 [15:44] bug 1424768 in whoopsie (Ubuntu Bionic) "Consider switching to path based activation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424768 [15:45] EBUGTOOOLD [15:45] this has a card already [15:45] that already also has a card [15:45] here's an old bug [15:45] bug 764414 [15:45] bug 764414 in apport (Ubuntu) "private master bugs are confusing and lead to more duplicate filings" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764414 [15:47] not sure what we even could do with that [15:47] Colin indicated there was a Launchpad question about this as somebody encountered a master crash which was private [15:47] ah, Robert had a suggestion [15:48] but I think 'wishlist' is accurate and don't think we should commit to this [15:48] yeah, it hasn't seen much activity recently [15:48] we could be better about making private crashes public [15:49] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:49] bug 1890435 [15:49] bug 1890435 in gcc-10 (Ubuntu) "gcc-10 breaks on armhf (flaky): internal compiler error: Segmentation fault" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1890435 [15:51] okay we are still waiting on upstream [15:51] bug 1900774 [15:51] bug 1900774 in grub2 (Ubuntu Groovy) "[arm64] EFI stub: ERROR: FIRMWARE BUG: efi_loaded_image_t::image_base has bogus value" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900774 [15:52] let's take that [15:53] ok [15:53] bug 1901000 [15:53] bug 1901000 in OEM Priority Project "dmesg need permission after kernel 5.8" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901000 [15:54] well we are about out of time [15:55] however, I wanted to raise bug 1901725 [15:55] bug 1901725 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Bionic) "check-new-release-gtk tells i386 users Ubuntu 20.04.1 is available" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901725 [15:55] didn't we have a bug about that previously? [15:55] Right we fixed it so the upgrade doesn't happen [15:56] We just didn't fix the checker [15:56] regarding bug 764414 this feels that bugs being all-or-nothing private/public is at the bottom of the problem? would being able to set some items (attachments/comments) as private in a public bug a possible solution? not sure how that would be implemented, just asking [15:56] bug 764414 in apport (Ubuntu) "private master bugs are confusing and lead to more duplicate filings" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764414 [15:56] right - we had talked about this previously though, and I thought there was previously a bug opened [15:57] tdaitx: well, if you want to go propose patches to launchpad I guess :) [15:57] I didn't find it easily as searching for i386 wasn't helpful. [15:57] fair enough [15:57] anyway, we should take [15:58] and put it at the top for the next sprint probably [15:58] (card, since it's already targeted) [15:58] ok [15:58] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: AOB [15:58] I'm out next week! [15:59] vorlon: if the idea I proposed makes any sense, we could have at least a whishlist bug open against launchpad for that, unless there is already one [15:59] skipping proposed-migration on the agenda because everything is blocked by autopkgtests [15:59] (queue is 9,000 deep on amd64) [15:59] i'm out tomorow [15:59] tdaitx: sure [15:59] I'm out from next Tuesday to the following Wednesday [16:00] (i.e. back the following Wednesday) [16:00] am I supposed to send out a +1 report? [16:00] yes but I haven't sent my last 3 [16:00] so [16:01] alright, thanks everybody [16:01] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice [16:01] Meeting ended Thu Oct 29 16:01:32 2020 UTC. [16:01] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-10-29-15.00.moin.txt [16:02] o/