| guiverc | I just tried to explain the Ubuntu *year.month* format (easy, 20.04) with point release (additional .9 where the 9 represents the update status of a system (eg. currently 20.04.1 is the status). The 9 makes sense to me; it's a PIC 9(1) value... but what would people use instead of my "9" | 02:48 |
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| * guiverc ponders that no-one here may understand my PIC 9 ref, or if they do, won't admit it :) | 02:49 | |
| daftykins | drawing a blank here! also don't quite get the 9 at all :> | 02:49 |
| daftykins | unless we're saying that's the max value for a sub release of an LTS | 02:49 |
| guiverc | PIC 9 being shorthand for "PICTURE IS 9." ... defining a value in COBOL | 02:50 |
| guiverc | I was a mainframe programmer long ago.. sometimes my mind returns & gets stuck there.. how would you describe the year.month.9 bit.. year.month.upgrade-level maybe | 02:51 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning | 03:01 |
| guiverc | lotuspsychje, I suggest these edits on your discouse post https://pad.ubuntu.com/BlcFJrbAaU (I'm assuming you can access pad; it allows for my changes to show colored). suggestions only (doesn't mean it's better) | 04:00 |
| lotuspsychje | guiverc: says openID requiered | 04:01 |
| guiverc | yeah, then it takes me to login to my Ubuntu SSO, which I can access b/c of locoteams, ubuntu-etherpad, ubuntu-members.. do you not have access? | 04:03 |
| lotuspsychje | got a launchpad, but doesnt let me in so it seems | 04:05 |
| guiverc | :( hold on | 04:06 |
| guiverc | try https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTagT2HFjYUU8uYWKYGZH7jhxU38oCXoiO4IGpNrRt92hY38ADGjvHQjBdx2XPj6_s5lsKwIgR-Rjmy/pub (in gdoc.. missing the color of changes, will add) | 04:11 |
| lotuspsychje | guiverc: want me to copy paste this in my original thread to show colours, is that it? | 04:13 |
| guiverc | no the color was there only with the intention of seeing my suggested changes | 04:15 |
| lotuspsychje | guiverc: changes? i dont see what you mean mate | 04:17 |
| guiverc | addition of a few \n's (line breaks) .. s/as much bugs/as many bugs/ (i changed 'much' to 'many') so 'any' will be green; at least my intention | 04:18 |
| lotuspsychje | oh, you perfectionized it, i must be blind lol | 04:19 |
| guiverc | it was done in pad.ubuntu.com; colors show edits.. I've tried to replicate them in gdoc copy.. they are suggestions only | 04:21 |
| lotuspsychje | guiverc: arghh, in discourse; sorry, new users can only post 2 urls in a thread :p | 04:21 |
| lotuspsychje | im too discourse noob lol | 04:22 |
| guiverc | you only have 2 URLS , you don't need to change any urls.. it was minor text edits only i suggested (unless I made errors) | 04:23 |
| guiverc | I feel like a discourse newbie still... and I shouldn't ! | 04:23 |
| lotuspsychje | guiverc: copy pasting your pad, makes it forward all links to pad also hence why | 04:24 |
| guiverc | Can't you just edit the few changes you agree with? | 04:24 |
| lotuspsychje | i could yeah | 04:26 |
| guiverc | (I'd don't have mod powers so can't edit for you on that discourse) | 04:26 |
| lotuspsychje | guiverc: well it would be easier if you hand me a straight text i can copy paste ofc | 04:29 |
| guiverc | try https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gntyn5kFzF/ | 04:30 |
| lotuspsychje | guiverc: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/the-ubuntu-pre-debug-team/19132 | 04:31 |
| guiverc | thanks :) looks good | 04:31 |
| lotuspsychje | great, and thank you! | 04:31 |
| lotuspsychje | you can spread that on UWN too if that fits | 04:32 |
| guiverc | it was working on UWN that made me do the (suggested) edits.. | 04:33 |
| lotuspsychje | great guiverc, editing the post brought it back up the recent threads hehe | 04:34 |
| guiverc | :) | 04:36 |
| ducasse | good morning | 07:04 |
| ap4lmtree | hi | 11:35 |
| Maik | ap4lmtree: Mint is based on Ubuntu so almost the same | 11:36 |
| Maik | there are other Ubuntu flavors you can choose from | 11:36 |
| Maik | if you don't like Gnome that is | 11:36 |
| Maik | ap4lmtree: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours | 11:37 |
| Maik | ap4lmtree: so you can choose from LXQt, Xfce, KDE, Budgie and MATE | 11:40 |
| Maik | as DE | 11:40 |
| ap4lmtree | i can choose debian, ubuntu, mint, gentoo | 11:40 |
| ap4lmtree | i guess i have to do ubuntu with some de | 11:40 |
| ap4lmtree | the default de for ubuntu is gnome? | 11:41 |
| Maik | yes as i told you already | 11:41 |
| ap4lmtree | what do you think about gentoo | 11:41 |
| Maik | if you're new then i would pick one distro, stick to it and learn the basics first | 11:42 |
| Maik | gentoo is not for noobs | 11:42 |
| ap4lmtree | i have been around since early 90s | 11:42 |
| ap4lmtree | i use windows a host, i use differnet linux as in vm or as a second desktop. i am simply doing my main desktop os change and not windows host anymore | 11:42 |
| Deano59 | ap4lmtree: gentoo is hard for first time linux users. just stick with xubuntu or lubuntu. | 11:43 |
| Maik | then what's your problem, choose what you want on go for it. | 11:43 |
| ap4lmtree | early 90s means i edit text file for slackware linux | 11:43 |
| ap4lmtree | and i use obsd , fbsd, and nbsd | 11:43 |
| Deano59 | lol we're going in circles. | 11:43 |
| ap4lmtree | i mean edit text file to compile slackware kernel | 11:43 |
| Maik | have fun, need to go. Bbl | 11:43 |
| ap4lmtree | i had this yellow book, it said stuff like how to edit kernel file, then you mess with it off and on until you get kernel right | 11:44 |
| ap4lmtree | pre 2000 i think, linux did not have out of box gui xorg or server or so | 11:44 |
| ap4lmtree | it would start from just cli and then you do lots of work to make it graphical | 11:45 |
| ap4lmtree | now it is just you installl and you get click click stuff | 11:45 |
| ap4lmtree | so, i am not asking if it hard. i am asking in what is most for future and stuff | 11:45 |
| ap4lmtree | i am thinking about what is competitive with macos stuff | 11:45 |
| ap4lmtree | bc that is more future than windows, which is why i am quiting windows | 11:45 |
| ap4lmtree | early 90s, redhat was not a corporation and private and stuff. it was major competitor of slackware | 11:46 |
| ap4lmtree | i remember redhat ipo coming out | 11:47 |
| ap4lmtree | back then, you wouldn't download linux. you would get it from slckware linux book or you would order some linux via mail order cheapbytes in northern california | 11:57 |
| lotuspsychje | !who | ap4lmtree | 11:58 |
| ubot5 | ap4lmtree: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :) | 11:58 |
| ap4lmtree | i talked about how you would have to mail order linux after someone tells me some linux is "hard" | 11:59 |
| ap4lmtree | then someone tells schools me on how to use irc | 11:59 |
| ap4lmtree | lol | 11:59 |
| ap4lmtree | i really really need to learn how to use irc | 11:59 |
| ap4lmtree | wow | 11:59 |
| ap4lmtree | lol | 11:59 |
| lotuspsychje | ap4lmtree: lets avoid long monolgues and try to have a real discussion when someone wants to reply with you | 12:00 |
| lapion | I finally found out what the reason was for having to reinstall ubuntu up to 10 times until I decided to manually fix the unbootable system by using a second partition to recreate the initrd and grub. | 16:38 |
| lapion | The reason the system would not boot on first try each time was /usr merge.. | 16:39 |
| tomreyn | if you read releas enotes, you could blame them for not mentioning the /usr merge, and file a documentation bug about it. | 16:46 |
| tomreyn | i think this was most likely missed | 16:46 |
| tomreyn | why did this make you need to reinstall, though - just out of interest? i mean, what's the very paart where this broke something for you? | 16:48 |
| daftykins | surely you'd change something after the 5th try too ;) | 16:49 |
| lapion | tomreyn each time the system started up to a non workable system | 16:57 |
| lapion | due to some installation quirk the initrd was not correctly configured and so at the first boot the system ended up with a system without binaries.. | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | if you want a separate /usr partition, you need to make sure the initrd mounts it | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | I somehow thought ubuntu's update-initramfs made sure of that? | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | eh, linux gives you the freedom to break anything you want | 17:00 |
| lapion | That's just the thing I wasn't using a separate partition however druing the install something went wrong with the initrd so the system could not boot | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | huh | 17:08 |
| lapion | would only boot to a rescue shell untill the initrd got reinstalled by chroot-method | 17:09 |
| tomreyn | i haven't heard of anyone else reporting this, which makes me assume that you must have used some kind of customization. or maybe your installer was corrupt. | 17:15 |
| tomreyn | "something went wrong with the initrd so the system could not boot" is not too specific, though (i know it's not so easy to debug this) | 17:18 |
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