[02:48] <guiverc> I just tried to explain the Ubuntu *year.month* format (easy, 20.04) with point release (additional .9 where the 9 represents the update status of a system (eg. currently 20.04.1 is the status).  The 9 makes sense to me; it's a PIC 9(1) value... but what would people use instead of my "9"
[02:49]  * guiverc ponders that no-one here may understand my PIC 9 ref, or if they do, won't admit it :)
[02:49] <daftykins> drawing a blank here! also don't quite get the 9 at all :>
[02:49] <daftykins> unless we're saying that's the max value for a sub release of an LTS
[02:50] <guiverc> PIC 9 being shorthand for "PICTURE IS 9."  ... defining a value in COBOL
[02:51] <guiverc> I was a mainframe programmer long ago.. sometimes my mind returns & gets stuck there.. how would you describe the year.month.9 bit.. year.month.upgrade-level maybe
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:00] <guiverc> lotuspsychje, I suggest these edits on your discouse post https://pad.ubuntu.com/BlcFJrbAaU   (I'm assuming you can access pad; it allows for my changes to show colored).  suggestions only  (doesn't mean it's better)
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: says openID requiered
[04:03] <guiverc> yeah, then it takes me to login to my Ubuntu SSO, which I can access b/c of locoteams, ubuntu-etherpad, ubuntu-members..  do you not have access?
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> got a launchpad, but doesnt let me in so it seems
[04:06] <guiverc> :(  hold on
[04:11] <guiverc> try https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTagT2HFjYUU8uYWKYGZH7jhxU38oCXoiO4IGpNrRt92hY38ADGjvHQjBdx2XPj6_s5lsKwIgR-Rjmy/pub   (in gdoc.. missing the color of changes, will add)
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: want me to copy paste this in my original thread to show colours, is that it?
[04:15] <guiverc> no the color was there only with the intention of seeing my suggested changes
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: changes? i dont see what you mean mate
[04:18] <guiverc> addition of a few \n's (line breaks) .. s/as much bugs/as many bugs/  (i changed 'much' to 'many') so 'any' will be green; at least my intention
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> oh, you perfectionized it, i must be blind lol
[04:21] <guiverc> it was done in pad.ubuntu.com; colors show edits.. I've tried to replicate them in gdoc copy..   they are suggestions only
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: arghh, in discourse; sorry, new users can only post 2 urls in a thread :p
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> im too discourse noob lol
[04:23] <guiverc> you only have 2 URLS , you don't need to change any urls.. it was minor text edits only i suggested (unless I made errors)
[04:23] <guiverc> I feel like a discourse newbie still... and I shouldn't !
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: copy pasting your pad, makes it forward all links to pad also hence why
[04:24] <guiverc> Can't you just edit the few changes you agree with?
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> i could yeah
[04:26] <guiverc> (I'd don't have mod powers so can't edit for you on that discourse)
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: well it would be easier if you hand me a straight text i can copy paste ofc
[04:30] <guiverc> try https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gntyn5kFzF/
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/the-ubuntu-pre-debug-team/19132
[04:31] <guiverc> thanks :) looks good
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> great, and thank you!
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> you can spread that on UWN too if that fits
[04:33] <guiverc> it was working on UWN that made me do the (suggested) edits..
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> great guiverc, editing the post brought it back up the recent threads hehe
[04:36] <guiverc> :)
[07:04] <ducasse> good morning
[11:35] <ap4lmtree> hi
[11:36] <Maik> ap4lmtree: Mint is based on Ubuntu so almost the same
[11:36] <Maik> there are other Ubuntu flavors you can choose from
[11:36] <Maik> if you don't like Gnome that is
[11:37] <Maik> ap4lmtree: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[11:40] <Maik> ap4lmtree: so you can choose from LXQt, Xfce, KDE, Budgie and MATE
[11:40] <Maik> as DE
[11:40] <ap4lmtree> i can choose debian, ubuntu, mint, gentoo
[11:40] <ap4lmtree> i guess i have to do ubuntu with some de
[11:41] <ap4lmtree> the default de for ubuntu is gnome?
[11:41] <Maik> yes as i told you already
[11:41] <ap4lmtree> what do you think about gentoo
[11:42] <Maik> if you're new then i would pick one distro, stick to it and learn the basics first
[11:42] <Maik> gentoo is not for noobs
[11:42] <ap4lmtree> i have been around since early 90s
[11:42] <ap4lmtree> i use windows a host, i use differnet linux as in vm or as a second desktop. i am simply doing my main desktop os change and not windows host anymore
[11:43] <Deano59> ap4lmtree: gentoo is hard for first time linux users. just stick with xubuntu or lubuntu.
[11:43] <Maik> then what's your problem, choose what you want on go for it.
[11:43] <ap4lmtree> early 90s means i edit text file for slackware linux
[11:43] <ap4lmtree> and i use obsd , fbsd, and nbsd
[11:43] <Deano59> lol we're going in circles.
[11:43] <ap4lmtree> i mean edit text file to compile slackware kernel
[11:43] <Maik> have fun, need to go. Bbl
[11:44] <ap4lmtree> i had this yellow book, it said stuff like how to edit kernel file, then you mess with it off and on until you get kernel right
[11:44] <ap4lmtree> pre 2000 i think, linux did not have out of box gui  xorg or server or so
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> it would start from just cli   and then you do lots of work to make it graphical
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> now it is just you installl and you get click click stuff
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> so, i am not asking if it hard. i am asking in what is most for future and stuff
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> i am thinking about what is competitive with macos stuff
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> bc that is more future than windows, which is why i am quiting windows
[11:46] <ap4lmtree> early 90s, redhat was not a corporation and private and stuff. it was major competitor of slackware
[11:47] <ap4lmtree> i remember redhat ipo coming out
[11:57] <ap4lmtree> back then, you wouldn't download linux. you would get it from slckware linux book or you would order some linux via mail order cheapbytes  in northern california
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> !who | ap4lmtree
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> i talked about how you would have to mail order linux after someone tells me some linux is "hard"
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> then someone tells schools me on how to use irc
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> lol
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> i really really need to learn how to use irc
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> wow
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> lol
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> ap4lmtree: lets avoid long monolgues and try to have a real discussion when someone wants to reply with you
[16:38] <lapion> I finally found out what the reason was for having to reinstall ubuntu up to 10 times until I decided to manually fix the unbootable system by using a second partition to recreate the initrd and grub.
[16:39] <lapion> The reason the system would not boot on first try each time was /usr merge..
[16:46] <tomreyn> if you read releas enotes, you could blame them for not mentioning the /usr merge, and file a documentation bug about it.
[16:46] <tomreyn> i think this was most likely missed
[16:48] <tomreyn> why did this make you need to reinstall, though - just out of interest? i mean, what's the very paart where this broke something for you?
[16:49] <daftykins> surely you'd change something after the 5th try too ;)
[16:57] <lapion> tomreyn each time the system started up to a non workable system
[16:58] <lapion> due to some installation quirk the initrd was not correctly configured and so at the first boot the system ended up with a system without binaries..
[16:59] <mgedmin> if you want a separate /usr partition, you need to make sure the initrd mounts it
[17:00] <mgedmin> I somehow thought ubuntu's update-initramfs made sure of that?
[17:00] <mgedmin> eh, linux gives you the freedom to break anything you want
[17:08] <lapion> That's just the thing I wasn't using a separate partition however druing the install something went wrong with the initrd so the system could not boot
[17:08] <mgedmin> huh
[17:09] <lapion> would only boot to a rescue shell untill the initrd got reinstalled by chroot-method
[17:15] <tomreyn> i haven't heard of anyone else reporting this, which makes me assume that you must have used some kind of customization. or maybe your installer was corrupt.
[17:18] <tomreyn> "something went wrong with the initrd so the system could not boot" is not too specific, though (i know it's not so easy to debug this)