[02:48] I just tried to explain the Ubuntu *year.month* format (easy, 20.04) with point release (additional .9 where the 9 represents the update status of a system (eg. currently 20.04.1 is the status). The 9 makes sense to me; it's a PIC 9(1) value... but what would people use instead of my "9" [02:49] * guiverc ponders that no-one here may understand my PIC 9 ref, or if they do, won't admit it :) [02:49] drawing a blank here! also don't quite get the 9 at all :> [02:49] unless we're saying that's the max value for a sub release of an LTS [02:50] PIC 9 being shorthand for "PICTURE IS 9." ... defining a value in COBOL [02:51] I was a mainframe programmer long ago.. sometimes my mind returns & gets stuck there.. how would you describe the year.month.9 bit.. year.month.upgrade-level maybe [03:01] good morning [04:00] lotuspsychje, I suggest these edits on your discouse post https://pad.ubuntu.com/BlcFJrbAaU (I'm assuming you can access pad; it allows for my changes to show colored). suggestions only (doesn't mean it's better) [04:01] guiverc: says openID requiered [04:03] yeah, then it takes me to login to my Ubuntu SSO, which I can access b/c of locoteams, ubuntu-etherpad, ubuntu-members.. do you not have access? [04:05] got a launchpad, but doesnt let me in so it seems [04:06] :( hold on [04:11] try https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTagT2HFjYUU8uYWKYGZH7jhxU38oCXoiO4IGpNrRt92hY38ADGjvHQjBdx2XPj6_s5lsKwIgR-Rjmy/pub (in gdoc.. missing the color of changes, will add) [04:13] guiverc: want me to copy paste this in my original thread to show colours, is that it? [04:15] no the color was there only with the intention of seeing my suggested changes [04:17] guiverc: changes? i dont see what you mean mate [04:18] addition of a few \n's (line breaks) .. s/as much bugs/as many bugs/ (i changed 'much' to 'many') so 'any' will be green; at least my intention [04:19] oh, you perfectionized it, i must be blind lol [04:21] it was done in pad.ubuntu.com; colors show edits.. I've tried to replicate them in gdoc copy.. they are suggestions only [04:21] guiverc: arghh, in discourse; sorry, new users can only post 2 urls in a thread :p [04:22] im too discourse noob lol [04:23] you only have 2 URLS , you don't need to change any urls.. it was minor text edits only i suggested (unless I made errors) [04:23] I feel like a discourse newbie still... and I shouldn't ! [04:24] guiverc: copy pasting your pad, makes it forward all links to pad also hence why [04:24] Can't you just edit the few changes you agree with? [04:26] i could yeah [04:26] (I'd don't have mod powers so can't edit for you on that discourse) [04:29] guiverc: well it would be easier if you hand me a straight text i can copy paste ofc [04:30] try https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gntyn5kFzF/ [04:31] guiverc: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/the-ubuntu-pre-debug-team/19132 [04:31] thanks :) looks good [04:31] great, and thank you! [04:32] you can spread that on UWN too if that fits [04:33] it was working on UWN that made me do the (suggested) edits.. [04:34] great guiverc, editing the post brought it back up the recent threads hehe [04:36] :) [07:04] good morning [11:35] hi [11:36] ap4lmtree: Mint is based on Ubuntu so almost the same [11:36] there are other Ubuntu flavors you can choose from [11:36] if you don't like Gnome that is [11:37] ap4lmtree: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours [11:40] ap4lmtree: so you can choose from LXQt, Xfce, KDE, Budgie and MATE [11:40] as DE [11:40] i can choose debian, ubuntu, mint, gentoo [11:40] i guess i have to do ubuntu with some de [11:41] the default de for ubuntu is gnome? [11:41] yes as i told you already [11:41] what do you think about gentoo [11:42] if you're new then i would pick one distro, stick to it and learn the basics first [11:42] gentoo is not for noobs [11:42] i have been around since early 90s [11:42] i use windows a host, i use differnet linux as in vm or as a second desktop. i am simply doing my main desktop os change and not windows host anymore [11:43] ap4lmtree: gentoo is hard for first time linux users. just stick with xubuntu or lubuntu. [11:43] then what's your problem, choose what you want on go for it. [11:43] early 90s means i edit text file for slackware linux [11:43] and i use obsd , fbsd, and nbsd [11:43] lol we're going in circles. [11:43] i mean edit text file to compile slackware kernel [11:43] have fun, need to go. Bbl [11:44] i had this yellow book, it said stuff like how to edit kernel file, then you mess with it off and on until you get kernel right [11:44] pre 2000 i think, linux did not have out of box gui xorg or server or so [11:45] it would start from just cli and then you do lots of work to make it graphical [11:45] now it is just you installl and you get click click stuff [11:45] so, i am not asking if it hard. i am asking in what is most for future and stuff [11:45] i am thinking about what is competitive with macos stuff [11:45] bc that is more future than windows, which is why i am quiting windows [11:46] early 90s, redhat was not a corporation and private and stuff. it was major competitor of slackware [11:47] i remember redhat ipo coming out [11:57] back then, you wouldn't download linux. you would get it from slckware linux book or you would order some linux via mail order cheapbytes in northern california [11:58] !who | ap4lmtree [11:58] ap4lmtree: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :) [11:59] i talked about how you would have to mail order linux after someone tells me some linux is "hard" [11:59] then someone tells schools me on how to use irc [11:59] lol [11:59] i really really need to learn how to use irc [11:59] wow [11:59] lol [12:00] ap4lmtree: lets avoid long monolgues and try to have a real discussion when someone wants to reply with you [16:38] I finally found out what the reason was for having to reinstall ubuntu up to 10 times until I decided to manually fix the unbootable system by using a second partition to recreate the initrd and grub. [16:39] The reason the system would not boot on first try each time was /usr merge.. [16:46] if you read releas enotes, you could blame them for not mentioning the /usr merge, and file a documentation bug about it. [16:46] i think this was most likely missed [16:48] why did this make you need to reinstall, though - just out of interest? i mean, what's the very paart where this broke something for you? [16:49] surely you'd change something after the 5th try too ;) [16:57] tomreyn each time the system started up to a non workable system [16:58] due to some installation quirk the initrd was not correctly configured and so at the first boot the system ended up with a system without binaries.. [16:59] if you want a separate /usr partition, you need to make sure the initrd mounts it [17:00] I somehow thought ubuntu's update-initramfs made sure of that? [17:00] eh, linux gives you the freedom to break anything you want [17:08] That's just the thing I wasn't using a separate partition however druing the install something went wrong with the initrd so the system could not boot [17:08] huh [17:09] would only boot to a rescue shell untill the initrd got reinstalled by chroot-method [17:15] i haven't heard of anyone else reporting this, which makes me assume that you must have used some kind of customization. or maybe your installer was corrupt. [17:18] "something went wrong with the initrd so the system could not boot" is not too specific, though (i know it's not so easy to debug this)