=== IchabodCrane is now known as WrathOfAchilles === didrocks999 is now known as didrocks [18:55] o/ [18:56] o/ [18:57] o/ [18:58] o/ [19:01] teward mentioned he might be ~3 mins late, so let's wait a bit for everyone to assemble [19:01] alright [19:01] o/ ohai [19:02] so that's five of us here, anyone else or we good to start do you think? [19:02] FYI: rbasak is out today (for good reasons) and he said he would vote by e-mail if needed (in any topic) [19:02] I guess 4 people is enough to get quorum [19:03] 5 if i'm here sil2100 [19:03] you, me, oSoMoN, ddstreet, rafaeldtinoco [19:03] which I am [19:03] oSoMoN is part of the DMB? [19:03] I'm not voting :) [19:03] I wont vote for 1 core dev applicant [19:03] oh no they aren't i'm an idiot [19:03] ERR:TIRED [19:04] ;) [19:04] someone send me caffeines [19:04] *headbashes through the chat wall* [19:04] ok where's my IRC commands stuff... [19:04] * oSoMoN opens the coffee tap [19:04] #startmeeting DMB Meeting [19:04] Meeting started Mon Nov 2 19:04:42 2020 UTC. The chair is teward. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:04] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: [19:04] hello everyone :) [19:04] welcome to the Nov. 2nd meeting for DMB. [19:05] rafaeldtinoco: which applicant? Guess we might have to move that one to e-mail voting then [19:05] sil2100: me :) [19:05] (sil2100: ill be +1 only if everybody else is) [19:05] lets start with the previous action items first. [19:05] sil2100: rafaeldtinoco and I are part of the same team [19:05] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [19:05] #subtopic rafaeldtinoco link team delegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates (carried over) [19:05] \o/ ;) [19:06] teward: done [19:06] nice [19:06] dmb kb page has a session now [19:06] pointing to git urls for seeds and packageset<->seed code [19:06] nice nice, glad to see that :) [19:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#PackageSetSync [19:06] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#PackageSetSync [19:06] perfect, anything else with this one or can we move on? [19:07] nope we can move on [19:07] nice [19:07] #subtopic ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over) [19:07] ddstreet: that one was yours [19:07] need to carry over, sorry [19:07] #action ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over) [19:07] ACTION: ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over) [19:07] moving on to next item [19:07] #subtopic rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over) [19:07] this one's an rbasak one, my guess is carry over until he checks in [19:07] yep [19:08] #action rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over) [19:08] ACTION: rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over) [19:08] #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to go through openstack packageset and identify packages in other sets and determine which is best to keep [19:08] done. [19:08] \o/ [19:08] I have updated groovy and hirsute packagesets for openstack [19:08] (this will be done every cycle now, with openstack team helping) [19:09] rafaeldtinoco: thanks! [19:09] yay! glad to see we're making a lot of progress and the OpenStack team is going to work with us on this! It'll probably help with all those SRUs I keep showing up in the sponsoring queue xD [19:09] my pleasure! [19:09] nice. So, the next item on the list then... [19:09] ERR:LAG [19:09] #topic Heads Up === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Heads Up [19:10] Just a heads up to you all: i was recently elected to the Community Council, while it doesn't affect my judgement here, it's something we should be aware of anyways :) [19:10] until Mark says I can't, I'll have all the hats :P [19:10] now onto ACTUAL work... [19:10] teward: wow, thats nice [19:10] teward: I was missing the council [19:10] glad you're there [19:10] congrats teward [19:11] myself and a few others are there, just wanted to make it known in case things start conflicting DMB/CC duties [19:11] congrats teward! [19:11] in case I abstain from votes in the future more often that's probably why [19:11] congrats, teward! [19:11] and thank you all. [19:11] Congrats o/ [19:11] #subtopic teward elected to Community Council, notice to rest of DMB on that change in how it affects teward's votes [19:11] now onto other business [19:11] #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Core Developer Applications [19:12] we have two coredev applications today for consideration. [19:12] #subtopic Olivier Tilloy (oSoMoN) [19:12] oSoMoN: say hello and introduce yourself to us :) [19:13] Hello, I'm Olivier, I work at Canonical on the Ubuntu Desktop team [19:13] have been there for 3.5 years, and 10 years at Canonical in various teams [19:13] In my time on the desktop team I've been increasingly resorting to sponsoring for package uploads and autopkgtest triggers, especially lately when I joined the +1 maintenance team, and that's the main reason for my application [19:13] along with being a core dev always having been a sort of long-term goal in my involvement in Ubuntu [19:14] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OlivierTilloy/CoreDevApplication [19:14] (apparently that was never sent through... I blame LAG!) [19:15] I was going to paste it [19:15] thanks [19:15] yep [19:15] im already there :o) [19:15] i meant to do that shortly after my last message, but lagging hard on my side - borrowing parents' internet while my apartment is literally frozen (heater busted) [19:16] thanks for introducing yourselv oSoMoN! Any questions from DMB team members? [19:16] * rafaeldtinoco reading application [19:16] oSoMoN: quick question: when investigating a package FTBFS in the archive, what would you say might be the most frequent reasons? [19:17] ah, there are many possible reasons :) [19:17] it can be an arch-specific issue [19:17] What possible causes come to your mind? List a few you had experienced [19:17] or a toolchain update [19:17] or a missing build dep [19:18] Regarding missing build-deps, did you have a case before where a package FTBFS because of not being able to resolve a build-dependency even though that dependency is already in Ubuntu? [19:19] Can something like that happen? And why? [19:19] well yes in the past where build deps for packages in main needed to be in main too, but that requirement was relaxed a while back [19:20] or the build dep is not available for all the architectures the package builds on [19:20] That's what I wanted to hear, thanks o/ [19:22] oSoMoN: I have seen that one of the things you list as objective is to do +1 maintenance without the need of being sponsored (which makes sense). Could you talk about the issues you have found ? What makes you pick one issue instead of other ? [19:23] during the shifts I did, I focused quite a lot on the nodejs migration, which was a big hairy one, and that was motivated by it blocking firefox updates, which I maintain [19:23] I also picked a bunch of packages at random to get out of my comfort zone [19:24] having been explicitly told that I shouldn't use all of my +1 maintenance time to work on packages directly related to my daily work [19:24] thanks for saying that (that is where I was going) [19:24] I liked the nodejs annotation in the application page [19:24] I also used popcon to get a sense of what popular packages might benefit from fixes [19:28] No more questions from me [19:28] if there are no more questions, then we can vote. give me 2 seconds to grab the right meetingology command (I don't have it memorized LOL) [19:29] #vote Olivier Tilloy CoreDev [19:29] Please vote on: Olivier Tilloy CoreDev [19:29] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [19:29] #voters sil2100 rafaeldtinoco teward ddstreet [19:29] Current voters: ddstreet rafaeldtinoco sil2100 teward [19:29] +1 LONG OVERDUE [19:29] +1 LONG OVERDUE received from sil2100 [19:29] +1 [19:29] +1 received from teward [19:30] +1 (Sebastien's and Iain's endorsements are no brainer) [19:30] +1 (Sebastien's and Iain's endorsements are no brainer) received from rafaeldtinoco [19:30] +1 excellent endorsements as well as what looks like a lot of good work so far [19:30] +1 excellent endorsements as well as what looks like a lot of good work so far received from ddstreet [19:30] #endvote [19:30] Voting ended on: Olivier Tilloy CoreDev [19:30] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:30] Motion carried [19:31] that's quorum, congrats to you oSoMoN on a successful CoreDev application [19:31] Congrats oSoMoN =) [19:31] thanks all! [19:31] congrats oSoMoN :) [19:31] congrats! [19:31] who wants to take care of assigning perms and announcing the successful application for me? (I can't, i'm solidly chaotically filled with dev stuff for my main job today) [19:31] oSoMoN, congrats! [19:31] its a holiday here today [19:31] ill ask someone else to [19:32] #) [19:32] I can o/ [19:32] oSoMoN: congrats! [19:32] #action sil2100 to assign permissions and announce successful coredev application from Olivier Tilloy [19:32] ACTION: sil2100 to assign permissions and announce successful coredev application from Olivier Tilloy [19:32] Congrats, oSoMoN! [19:32] we have one more coredev application to review today, though we'll likely have to move it to [19:33] email I believe? [19:33] BAH broken keyboard [19:33] teward: i can vote [19:33] but only if all others are +1 [19:33] orelse I wont [19:33] (just to make the quorum) [19:33] cool cool [19:33] #subtopic Sergio Durigan Junior [19:33] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioDuriganJunior/CoreDevApplication [19:33] sergiodj: say hello and introduce yourself! :) [19:34] hey folks! thanks for considering my application today. I'm Sergio, I am part of the Ubuntu Server team at Canonical (therefore, I'm a Canonical employee ;-)) [19:34] I am a Debian Developer, and have been a Debian contributor since 2014 [19:35] as part of the Ubuntu Server team, I worked with several packages, mostly in main. I also helped with +1 maintenance sometimes [19:36] I would like to become a CoreDev because I've been pestering my team (rafael included!) to sponsor packages for me [19:36] and also to retrigger autopkgtests ;) [19:37] sergiodj: while working on Ubuntu packages, did you ever work on any transitions? Can you tell us what that is and how such things are handled? [19:38] sil2100: I have not worked on any transitions yet, but a transition is when you are going to upload a new version of a package which has the possibility of breaking reverse dependencies [19:38] for example, when there is a major soname bump [19:38] so we have to first request a transition slot to the release team, which will generate a new entry here: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ [19:39] from there, we have to work with the maintainers of the reverse deps of our package and make sure that they are updated in order to handle the new version of our package [19:40] of course, this can be as simple as rebuilding the reverse dep is uploaded, or can involve complex scenarios where you will have to do a major update in the revdep [19:41] sergiodj: ok, thanks o/ [19:41] interesting scenarios can occur when the revdep itself is a library (for example) and requires its own transition process [19:41] heh [19:41] sil2100: np! [19:43] any more questions for sergiodj? [19:43] sergiodj: another, less technical! You are applying for core-dev (which is very good!), but was wondering - what is the reason why you apply straight for core-dev and not for ubuntu-server PPU? [19:45] #chair rafaeldtinoco sil2100 ddstreet teward [19:45] Current chairs: ddstreet rafaeldtinoco sil2100 teward [19:45] (for reasons intermally explained) [19:45] sil2100: I can cite a few things here. the first one is that my whole team really encouraged me to apply straight to CoreDev, because (according to them) the quality of my work. I can also mention the fact that my day-to-day work involves maintaining a lot of packages, so I'd have to file PPUs for several o fhtem [19:45] sergiodj i don't have any questions, but debuginfod sounds super interesting, i hope you can get that going with ubuntu packages, it would be extremely helpful; mapping coredump buildid back to a specific package version has been elusive for me so far [19:45] of them* [19:46] there's also the fact that, being a DD, I'm confident I can "hit the ground running" by being a CoreDev as well [19:46] sergiodj: certainly having core-dev rights makes things much easier for general +1 maintenance! Ok, thanks! [19:46] No further questions [19:46] ddstreet: thanks! yeah, that's a very interesting project that is starting to attract a lot of attention! [19:46] I'm also excited by it :) [19:48] any more questions from DMB members, or shall we vote? [19:48] nothing else from me [19:48] #vote Sergio Durigan Junior CoreDev [19:48] Please vote on: Sergio Durigan Junior CoreDev [19:48] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [19:49] #voters sil2100 rafaeldtinoco teward ddstreet [19:49] Current voters: ddstreet rafaeldtinoco sil2100 teward [19:49] +1 [19:49] +1 received from teward [19:49] +1 solid application, Sergio knows what he's doing - and I already had quite some exposure to his work, so yes [19:49] +1 solid application, Sergio knows what he's doing - and I already had quite some exposure to his work, so yes received from sil2100 [19:49] +1 great to see long list of endorsements, and all his work looks good [19:49] +1 great to see long list of endorsements, and all his work looks good received from ddstreet [19:50] +1 because everybody else was already +1 [19:50] +1 because everybody else was already +1 received from rafaeldtinoco [19:50] #endvote [19:50] Voting ended on: Sergio Durigan Junior CoreDev [19:50] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:50] Motion carried [19:50] sergiodj: congrats! [19:50] sergiodj: congrats! [19:50] congrats, sergiodj! [19:50] congrats sergiodj ! [19:50] congrats! [19:50] sil2100: rafaeldtinoco: teward: oSoMoN: thanks! [19:50] sil2100: another one for you to do if you want it, or should i give it to another? [19:50] ddstreet: thanks! :) [19:50] teward: I can do it as well o/ [19:51] I'll pick it up a bit later today or (in worst case) tomorrow [19:51] But it will be done [19:51] #action sil2100 to assign permissions and announce successful coredev application from Sergio Durigan Junior [19:51] ACTION: sil2100 to assign permissions and announce successful coredev application from Sergio Durigan Junior [19:51] no worries :) [19:51] #topic Select a chair for next meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Select a chair for next meeting [19:51] Once again, gonna be me, because I have a backlog of chair dates to fill [19:51] lol [19:51] #action teward to chair next meeting [19:51] ACTION: teward to chair next meeting [19:51] #topic Any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Any other business [19:52] i got one [19:52] #subtopic December Meetings [19:52] The second meeting of the DMB in december is scheduled for December 28th, which falls on the weekend that happens *directly* after the 25th of December, which is Christmas Day. [19:52] Meaning, 25, 26, 27, 28 technically fall on the Christmas weekend. [19:53] do we want to skip that meeting given the timing of that holiday vs. the meeting itself? [19:53] I think it would be okay in skipping (as usually there are not many reqs during that time of the year) [19:53] and judging by our history of quorum lately [19:54] yeah i'm +1 to skip that one as well [19:54] true. I'm all for skipping the Dec. 28 meeting that'd normally ahppen (and will document on the Agenda) if we're in agreement. myself, rafaeldtinoco, and ddstreet makes 3, sil2100 any objections? [19:54] i know it's November but it's sometimes best to decide this stuff early ;) [19:55] nah its good (applicants have to know the future schedule as well) [19:56] sil2100: ^ [19:57] i mean, I could unilaterally make the call but I think it's best for us to agree on things, and I'm pretty sure nobody will object. [19:57] teward: if Lucasz is already gone, we can get his +1 on an email thread as well [19:57] yep I'll bring it up but when I edit the agenda I'll mark it as 'tentatively agreed' and then update that once we get a solid vote. [19:57] sounds good [19:58] #action teward to email DMB ml regarding skipping of December 28th normally-scheduled meeting, mark Agenda as Tentatively Agreed to Skip [19:58] ACTION: teward to email DMB ml regarding skipping of December 28th normally-scheduled meeting, mark Agenda as Tentatively Agreed to Skip [19:58] Any other business for the DMB today? [19:58] nope.. thanks a lot for chairing [19:58] and congrats to both applicants! [19:58] happy to :) [19:58] sergiodj: Congrats! [19:58] indeed, congrats to oSoMoN and sergiodj :) [19:58] Odd_Bloke: thanks! [19:58] #topic Next Meeting Date/Time === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Next Meeting Date/Time [19:59] Just so it's in the record, the next meeting is 2020-11-16 at 15:00 UTC. [19:59] #info Next meeting scheduled for 2020-11-16 15:00 UTC [19:59] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice [19:59] Meeting ended Mon Nov 2 19:59:38 2020 UTC. [19:59] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-11-02-19.04.moin.txt [19:59] thanks everyone! [19:59] thanks! o/ [19:59] thanks DMB and everyone! [19:59] o/ [20:00] thanks everyone! [20:05] Yes, congrats to oSoMoN too, I hadn't scrolled up! [21:00] thanks Odd_Bloke :)