[01:26] <callmepk> gooood morning
[01:27] <duflu> Morning callmepk 
[01:29] <callmepk> morning duflu 
[06:07] <jibel> Good morning
[06:09] <callmepk> hi jibel 
[06:13] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[06:16] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:16] <hellsworth> oh good evening folks :)
[06:16] <seb128> hey jibel, callmepk, duflu 
[06:17] <duflu> Hi seb128 and hellsworth(!?)
[06:17] <callmepk> good morning seb128 hellsworth 
[06:17] <seb128> election night tonight? or it is tommrow?
[06:17] <hellsworth> well wanted to get a thing building before bed :)
[06:17] <hellsworth> election is all day tomorrow
[06:17] <hellsworth> tomorrow night will be all the drinks to match :)
[06:17] <seb128> :-)
[06:18] <seb128> how does it work in the U.S, do you get partial results as the day or night go?
[06:19] <jibel> salut callmepk duflu seb128 hellsworth 
[06:19] <hellsworth> well states results will be tallied all day through the day tomorrow but because of the massive amount of mail in voting, it will probably take days for the final count to be done
[06:19] <seb128> (in France they disclose the winner at 8pm, no public live count)
[06:19] <hellsworth> but that won't stop trump from declaring victory tomorrow
[06:19] <seb128> he will right? :(
[06:20] <hellsworth> he totally will. and there will be a battle put on by his party to not count the mail in votes past tomorrow too. it will be a dirty fight...
[06:21] <hellsworth> imho all the votes should be counted, however long that takes.
[06:21] <seb128> right
[06:21] <hellsworth> they've started erecting an anti-scaling wall around the white house too..
[06:21] <hellsworth> such drama!
[06:21] <seb128> I saw that on the news yesterday...
[06:22] <seb128> also the money spent and TV ads
[06:22] <hellsworth> oh it's nuts.. why can't we spend even half of that money on healthcare and schools and such
[06:22] <seb128> they said each candidate spent 2.3 billions on their campagne, compared to French president who spent 16 millions
[06:22] <hellsworth> battling covid for instance
[06:22] <hellsworth> that's wild
[06:22] <seb128> indeed...
[06:23] <hellsworth> so much money for two old white guys to yell at each other
[06:24] <seb128> right, the old white men thing is a bit sad as well :-/
[06:26] <hellsworth> it'll be really interesting to see how the next two days plays out
[06:26] <hellsworth> i'm totally going to make popcorn tomorrow :)
[06:26] <seb128> :-)
[06:31] <duflu> One thing recent news reports seem to agree on is that declaring victory early is legally meaningless
[06:31] <hellsworth> right but tell that to the supporters that are ready to riot
[06:31]  * duflu nods
[06:32] <hellsworth> i'm ready to go camp in the mountains for some time if i have to :)
[06:35]  * duflu senses deja va
[06:35]  * duflu senses deja vu too
[06:36] <duflu> 🎶 Oh Canada....
[06:37]  * hellsworth looks longingly north..
[06:48] <didrocks> good morning
[06:50] <duflu> Morning didrocks 
[06:50] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[06:50] <jibel> Bonjour didrocks 
[06:52] <didrocks> salut jibel 
[07:00] <hellsworth> right ok i'm off.. cheers!
[07:08] <didrocks> waow, long day hellsworth, take some rest :)
[07:15] <seb128> lut didrocks!
[07:15] <seb128> night Heather
[07:18] <didrocks> salut seb128 
[07:23] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:26] <seb128> lut oSoMoN !
[07:29] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 
[07:29] <oSoMoN> ça va mieux?
[07:32] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN 
[07:32] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[07:33] <seb128> oSoMoN, oui, merci !
[07:39] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN 
[07:39] <duflu> Night hellsworth 
[08:11] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[08:12] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson 
[08:13] <marcustomlinson> happy US Election Day
[08:16] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson 
[08:17] <ricotz> good morning desktopers!
[08:41] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu, good morning marcustomlinson & ricotz 
[09:03] <seb128> hey ricotz, marcustomlinson, Laney
[09:05] <Laney> pre-heying
[09:05] <Laney> like it
[09:05] <seb128> jibel, tkamppeter, Trevinho, weekly status update?
[09:06] <seb128> jamesh, ^ also
[09:08] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks999 duflu ricotz oSoMoN seb128 Laney
[09:09] <seb128> oSoMoN, jamesh, kenvandine, do you have any idea what could make the thunderbird's snap portal file picker be in local mode where the deb fileselector lists remote shares?
[09:12] <seb128> hum, or maybe it's not using the portal, or does one tell?
[09:16] <Laney> hey marcustomlinson 
[09:16] <jamesh> seb128: maybe try xwininfo or xprop?
[09:17] <seb128> jamesh, right, it seems to be thunderbird itself
[09:18] <jamesh> "xprop WM_CLASS" then click on the file chooser will probably give it away
[09:18] <luna_> morning 
[09:19] <seb128> hey luna_, how are you?
[09:19] <oSoMoN> good morning luna_ 
[09:21] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:21] <duflu> and morning luna_ 
[09:21] <seb128> jamesh, so yeah, it's not using portals for attach/save dialogs, it is for tha pppselector though
[09:23] <jamesh> I wonder if it has its own code for some of the dialogs independent of that shared with Firefox?
[09:26] <Laney> o/ duflu 
[09:28] <didrocks999> hey Laney 
[09:29] <seb128> jamesh, ah, it works if GTK_USE_PORTAL=1 is set, I forgot that was not default
[09:29] <seb128> well in snaps at least
[09:29] <seb128> the firefox snap does that in its snapcraft.yaml, I'll change thunderbird to do it as well
[09:46] <Laney> yo didrocks999 
[10:04] <Laney> it's official!
[10:04] <Laney> In [1]: lp.people['osomon'] in lp.people['ubuntu-core-dev'].participants
[10:04] <Laney> Out[1]: True
[10:04] <oSoMoN> :)
[10:05] <Laney> quick, find something to break
[10:05] <Laney> dput ubuntu linux_...
[10:06] <oSoMoN> thanks kenvandine, seb128, didrocks999, Laney for your endorsements
[10:06] <didrocks999> well deserved :)
[10:07] <Laney> hope they had weight with the DMB!
[10:27] <oSoMoN> Laney, they did: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/11/02/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t19:30
[10:30] <RikMills> oSoMoN: just saw the emails. congrats!
[10:30] <oSoMoN> thanks RikMills 
[10:45] <Laney> \o/
[10:59] <ricotz> please retry https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:7.0.3-0ubuntu1/+build/20238615
[11:08] <seb128> ricotz, retried
[11:09] <ricotz> seb128, ty
[14:06] <luna_> seb128: having a bit of a headache but other then i am alright was thinking of joining the Desktop meeting as i have some time today, also started translated the Hippo a bit
[14:29] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:29] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-11-03
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov  3 14:30:40 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:30] <didrocks1> hey
[14:30] <kenvandine> o/
[14:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, heather, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[14:31] <hellsworth> \o
[14:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:31] <Trevinho> o/
[14:31] <jibel> \o
[14:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:32] <luna_> o/
[14:32] <seb128> jamesh, tkamppeter, jibel , you forgot your weekly summaries
[14:32] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[14:32] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> no desktop section
[14:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> no unassigned one
[14:33] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[14:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:34] <luna_> Showing two cursors after login is unassigned
[14:34] <luna_> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1873052
[14:34] <seb128> it's assigned on other components, just some triaging needed
[14:35] <seb128> is anyone interested in reviewing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+bug/1899262 or should I try if foundation has interest?
[14:35] <seb128> there is a patch attached
[14:36] <didrocks1> it sounds to me we don’t have the expertise nor the use case clear on that one
[14:36] <seb128> k, let's skip but let me know if you are interested, otherwise I will try to nudge foundations to help
[14:36] <didrocks1> but I may be wrong
[14:36] <seb128> right
[14:37] <seb128> I tend to agree, maybe s_lyon does, I will check with them
[14:37] <seb128> k, moving on
[14:37] <oSoMoN> also that patch should probably be submitted upstream first
[14:37] <seb128> oSoMoN, it's an issue with a distro patch
[14:37] <oSoMoN> oh, my bad
[14:37] <oSoMoN> I should have read more carefully
[14:38] <seb128> no worry
[14:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:39] <luna_> all Unassigned seems fixed
[14:39] <seb128> bug #1865226 was missing an assignment on one task but yeah otherwise seems nothing is needed there
[14:39] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[14:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:40] <seb128> bug #1872950
[14:40] <seb128> tseliot, the bug seems quite active, one for you I guess?
[14:41] <tseliot> seb128, yes, I'm just too busy to work on it right now
[14:41] <tseliot> it's on my TODO list
[14:42] <seb128> it seems it makes upgrades fail for some users so maybe worth trying to raise the priority?
[14:43] <seb128> bug #1901272
[14:43] <Laney> that page is desktop?
[14:43] <Laney> package*
[14:43] <seb128> sounds like it's already assigned to another component, unsure if that means it's invalid for bluez?
[14:43] <Laney> ah bluez
[14:44] <seb128> bluez 
[14:44] <seb128> right
[14:44] <luna_> Wimpress assigned waveform to look at it
[14:44] <seb128> right
[14:44] <Laney> -> incomplete for the others I would say
[14:44] <seb128> wfm, doing that
[14:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:45]  * marcustomlinson always reads wtf initially when sees wfm
[14:46] <seb128> lol
[14:46] <seb128> same bluez one
[14:46] <seb128> #topic rls-hh-bug
[14:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:46] <seb128> wpa one we already discussed
[14:46] <luna_> same wpa supplicant one?
[14:47] <seb128> yes
[14:47] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:47] <seb128> the one there just needs triaging
[14:47] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:47] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:48] <seb128> that's a long list, I would wait for things to settle down after opening and autosync before we do a proper review
[14:48] <seb128> but if people want to poke a bit that would probably be welcome
[14:50] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:50] <seb128> anything else?
[14:50] <marcustomlinson> congrats to olivier for earning core dev membership :)
[14:50] <kenvandine> +1 
[14:50] <luna_> The Hirsute Hippo translation cycle opened yesterday afternoon 
[14:50] <kenvandine> congrats!
[14:50] <luna_> congrats
[14:50] <marcustomlinson> to bad he's not here it seems XD
[14:51] <kenvandine> he's still out celebrating :)
[14:51] <luna_> 15:48 �� oSoMoN [~oSoMoN@162.213.32.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[14:51] <hellsworth> congrats Olivier!!!
[14:51] <seb128> indeed, congrats Olivier!
[14:52] <seb128> ok, let's wrap on that note
[14:52] <seb128> thanks everyone!
[14:52] <luna_> np
[14:52] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov  3 14:52:33 2020 UTC.  
[14:52] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-11-03-14.30.moin.txt
[14:52] <marcustomlinson> thanks!
[14:53] <hellsworth> thanks!
[14:53] <jose> o/
[14:53] <jose> the clashing meeting we used to have a couple years ago in #ubuntu-meeting is now gone
[14:53] <jose> so feel free to use our meeting grounds again for meetings
[14:53] <luna_> gonna rest a bit having massive headache, but keep up the good work
[14:54] <didrocks1> thanks!
[14:55] <seb128> luna_, take care!
[14:56] <seb128> jose, thanks, we don't disrupt the channel too much here usually but maybe there would be other reasons to switch, I don't know
[14:57] <jose> could I dm you for a couple quick questions? :)
[14:57] <seb128> what was that topic edit?
[14:57] <seb128> jose, why not just using the channel?
[14:57] <jose> that's meetingology doing it's job
[14:58] <jose> and nevermind, it's all good
[14:58] <seb128> jose, you mean for the topic? no there was someone adding back the meeting in topic after
[14:59] <tkamppeter> seb128, weekly summary posted, sorry for being late.
[15:00] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[15:01] <didrocks1> does anyone know how to get the default value (default as "empty", not distro default) for a given gvariant type?
[15:01] <didrocks1> tried to parse with "" or anything that doesn’t match and it will only reject the gvariant, not give an "empty" one (but typed)
[15:02] <didrocks1> also <default> is required in the schema, so you can’t even cheat by creating a schema file and use glib-compile-schemas without <default> to have the empty value for the given type
[15:15] <Laney> didrocks1: wdym, i'm not sure I understand what the meaning of empty is?
[15:17] <didrocks1> Laney: like, for an as, the empty value would be for []
[15:17] <didrocks1> empty \ default default rather :)
[15:17] <didrocks1> as if you instantiate a variable from a type without assigning
[15:17] <didrocks1> so a bool would false
[15:17] <didrocks1> and so on…
[15:18] <didrocks1> more complex with nested gvariant type including tuple in dict in arrays…
[15:26] <Trevinho> didrocks1: mh, not sure you can't get the default per type...
[15:29] <didrocks1> Trevinho: looks like it. We will need to do a manual parser :/
[15:29] <Trevinho> shouldn't be too long, but maybe worth inclusion in gio
[15:32] <Laney> what is the question here? something like: given a gvariant format string, give me a gvariant?
[15:33] <didrocks1> Laney: I have @as, give me [], I have (ii), give me (0, 0), I have b, give me false
[16:10] <oSoMoN> back on IRC, sorry I missed the end of the weekly meeting, infrastructure issues
[16:10] <didrocks> we only said bad things about you :)
[16:10] <didrocks> don’t worry (too much :p)
[16:18] <Laney> didrocks: I would be interested to know more about the overall problem, sounds like an interesting one to have this requirement!
[16:18] <Laney> but sorry, can't help :<
[16:20] <Laney> team meeting tech talk ?
[16:31] <didrocks> could be
[16:38] <didrocks> found a very bad way, BEST HACK EVER
[16:38] <didrocks> :)
[16:39] <seb128> kenvandine, using GTK_USE_PORTAL in thunderbird is fine right? one feedback we got on discourse is that you couldn't attach files from remote location, turned out the portal were not used for the fileselector (only the appselector), I pushed that change to edge and it seems to work fine (also firefox has it enabled)
[16:54] <kenvandine> seb128: yes, it's fine
[16:54] <kenvandine> i'd encourage it