[00:11] <Gh0sta> Bashing-om: sorry
[00:11] <Gh0sta> Bashing-om: it's a Fuse filesystem
[00:11] <Gh0sta> ntfs partition
[00:22] <Bashing-om> ghostcube: NTFS == Windows - if it is but (only) a dirty bit set then ubuntu can clear it - but best thing here is to have Windows look at that partition.
[00:23] <ghostcube> :) tab fault
[00:23] <Bashing-om> ghostcube: Sorry - I do apologize :(
[00:24] <Hash> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mr3nKOmZDo <- what kind of software makes animations like this?
[00:25] <ghostcube> np
[00:26] <Hash> I wonder if this is the place to ask a second question
[00:27] <Hash> Or kubuntu perhaps. Anyway. I wonder what kind of software makes animations like that
[00:27] <Hash> I searched for 'animat'
[00:29] <gebbione> is it possible to run a script automatically when using the computer again after screens have gone to sleep?
[00:29] <gebbione> ie user locks screens (or they go to sleep) -> come back to computer, move mouse and type password -> run script now
[00:50] <inyourgroove> anyone here know anything about zfs on ubuntu?
[01:04] <pbx> i installed Hirsute today and now i can't get the "tap touchpad to click" setting to stay off. should i just roll back to 20.10 or is there something else i should tweak?
[01:05] <Bashing-om> !20.10 | pbx
[01:06] <en1gma> can anyone help with getting apt working through a proxy
[01:09] <pbx> Bashing-om: was that supposed to help me?
[01:10] <pbx> i.e. was that your way of saying i should roll back?
[01:12] <Bashing-om> pbx: NO - I was attempting to direct you to the proper support channel - Not too many of us in this channel have the +1 knowledge to assist you.
[01:12] <pbx> gotcha Bashing-om, thanks
[01:16] <compdoc> en1gma, have you tried setting the proxy in synaptic?
[01:17] <en1gma> in sources.lst?
[01:17] <compdoc> run sudo synaptic
[01:18] <en1gma> k 1 sec
[01:18] <en1gma> "command not found"
[01:19] <compdoc> guess you need to install it, and thats probably not working
[01:30] <en1gma> i need to install python from ubuntu 20.04 repo maybe?
[01:30] <en1gma> i would like to install both python and python3
[01:31] <Bashing-om> !info python3 focal | en1gma
[01:35] <WaV> !info irssi-dev bionic | WaV
[02:48] <signofzeta> hi, I just switched from the default Ubuntu (20.04) AMD GPU drivers to the proprietary drivers.  now I have OpenCL, but I also have tearing on full-screen video.  is there a fix besides switching back to opensource drivers?
[03:01] <blahboybaz> I need to find a way to intall / use the latest version of balsamiq desktop on 18.04. Had anyone experienced with this?
[03:09] <Mr_x> hello hi anyone around?
[03:09] <signofzeta> Mr_x i'm here
[03:09] <Mr_x> wanna ask bout correctly change locale font on ubuntu 18.04
[03:09] <Mr_x> i already try many way but not changed
[03:09] <signofzeta> not sure about that one. what's the problem?
[03:10] <Mr_x> i change on this --->> /etc/default/locale
[03:12] <signofzeta> that file is automatically generated by update-locale, which is called by apt.
[03:13] <signofzeta> I think you can edit /etc/locale.gen and then call locale-gen
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:21] <Mr_x> signofzeta, u mean like this ----->> sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[03:22] <Mr_x> or 1) sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 then 2) sudo locale-gen UTF-8
[03:23] <signofzeta> Mr_x, neither.  Edit /etc/locale.gen to suit your needs, and then run locale-gen
[03:23] <signofzeta> uncomment anything in that file that you also want
[03:36] <Mr_x> signofzeta, its not changed
[03:37] <Mr_x> if i run cat /etc/default/locale  <<--- its show LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[03:38] <Mr_x> but when i run locale , its still show ----->> LANG=C.UTF-8
[03:39] <signofzeta> Try running source /etc/profile, or opening a new Bash shell.
[03:59] <bumblefuzz> so I'm trying to install drivers for rtl8812au
[03:59] <bumblefuzz> and there's a few custom versions out there
[03:59] <bumblefuzz> how do I know which one is 'best' or 'safest' to install?
[04:02] <Bashing-om> bumblefuzz: jeremy31: pointed to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtl8812au/+bug/1743849 .
[04:03] <bumblefuzz> good to know
[04:04] <bumblefuzz> but which driver version does this apply to?
[04:04] <bumblefuzz> this is for the rtl8812au package in the ubuntu repositories, correct?
[04:20] <bumblefuzz> so if a driver shows up on 'dkms status' but not on lsmod, what does that mean?
[04:24] <UnholyDuckster> Hi there everyone, I hope that everyone is staying safe during this pandemic. I have a little bit of an issue that I've been trying to solve for over a week now to no-avail and I'm being really stubborn and don't want to resort to reinstalling although it seems like this may be my only next option.  Ever since the last Ubuntu update my keyboard and
[04:24] <UnholyDuckster> mouse do not work on my laptop in the login screen. I am unable to log in or to even move the cursor around. I have gone into the recovery mode and have tried everything I can think of to fix this issue and have searched far and wide for solutions. I've tried to completely remove and reinstall xorg and the inputs I have done the apt-upgrade and
[04:24] <UnholyDuckster> apt-update commands. Ive done dpkg and nothing was found. I am just stuck. My keyboard and mouse work perfectly fine in windows and my keyboard works fine in the recovery mode. If anyone has any suggestions or solutions I would really appreciate the help.
[04:36] <unholyduckster> Am I in the right channel for technical issues?
[04:40] <Bashing-om> unholyduckster: You are - I personally - as many others here - have no opinions to offer - patience for one who might :D
[04:41] <unholyduckster> Bashing-om Thanks! I've just rarely used IRC so I just wanted to make sure that I was in the right place. Patience and time is definitely all I have right now lol.
[04:43] <Bashing-om> unholyduckster: It is however getting late - the sun is approaching the Pacific - most now are retiring for the night. May take a stretch of patience.
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> unholyduckster: wich ubuntu version and laptop brand would that be?
[04:52] <Mr_x> i use this guide to change my locale  , but not work ---->> https://linuxconfig.org/change-system-language-on-ubuntu-20-04-from-command-line
[04:52] <Mr_x> if i run cat /etc/default/locale  <<--- its show LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[04:53] <Mr_x> but when i run locale after logout , its still show ----->> LANG=C.UTF-8
[04:53] <Mr_x> anyone know what cause
[04:53] <Mr_x> signofzeta, its not changed
[04:59] <unholyduckster> lotuspsychje it's an Acer aspire and the ubuntu version is 20.10
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> unholyduckster: what kind of graphics card inside?
[05:01] <unholyduckster> lotuspsychje it's an Intel integrated. So Intel HD 4000 I believe.
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> hmm thats weird indeed
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> unholyduckster: did you try a 20.04 yet?
[05:02] <Bashing-om> unholyduckster: lotuspsychje: Acer - can this be a "trust" issue : - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330267 .
[05:04] <unholyduckster> How would I go about downgrading through the command line in recovery mode?
[05:04] <Bashing-om> ubottu: Nope - there is no undo button :(
[05:04] <unholyduckster> Also Bashing-om I'm able to get to the login screen. Just none of the inputs work.
[05:06] <Bashing-om> unholyduckster: Was but a thought to see if setting trust in the firmware would have a positive effect.
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> unholyduckster: did you install legacy or uefi?
[05:08] <unholyduckster> lotuspsychje legacy
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> weird
[05:09] <unholyduckster> Very wierd.
[05:15] <devilnull> hi guys anyone know why calibre wont launch on ubuntu 20.04.1
[05:18] <devilnull> i found a mention online that no longer works with python3 and that newer version is required can anyone confirm Calibre 5.4.2 works with Ubuntu 20.04.1
[05:55] <unholyduckster> Okay. So.
[05:55] <unholyduckster> I fixed it with a hail Mary of a fix. Well atlesst a temporary bandaid
[05:56] <unholyduckster> Adding acpi=off to the grub command line after quiet splash and before $vthandoff
[05:56] <unholyduckster> And it works fine now.
[05:56] <unholyduckster> So I guess acpi is the problem? How do I go about turning this into a permanent solution 🤔
[06:57] <dwale> i used to have a boyfriend named "ubuntu"
[06:57] <dwale> he would "play the bongos" on my ass
[06:58] <dwale> because he was a nigger spy for the United States Intelligence "Community"
[06:58] <al_nz1> anyone here able to help with a bind question? isc_studio_open '/var/log/bind/bind.log' failed:permission
[06:58] <dwale> and niggers love bongos
[06:58] <al_nz1> seems to be related to : https://askubuntu.com/questions/172030/how-to-allow-bind-in-app-armor
[06:58] <al_nz1> I tried whats in that answer
[06:58] <al_nz1> but still get
[06:59] <al_nz1> above error
[06:59] <al_nz1> I think is apparmor related
[07:28] <_lucifer> hi all! I am having some display issues with the chromium browser. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xRXLEJGt/Screenshot%20from%202020-11-03%2012-56-52.png
[07:28] <wyoung> hi fallen angel!
[07:29] <_lucifer> o/
[07:37] <alegarod> Hi. There is a command I want to run at startup. I have to run it as sudo using the -E option in order to preserve the environment. Without -E the command doesn't work. I tried with "sudo crontab -e" using @reboot, but it doesn't work neither because I can't pass the -E option. Any ideas?
[07:39] <alegarod> Well, I guess I could write "sudo -E" in the cron job.
[07:40] <alegarod> Even if I created the job with "sudo crontab -e".
[07:41] <alegarod> Will try it.
[07:45] <alegarod> Tried it. Doesn't work. :(
[07:45] <alegarod> Any idea?
[08:41] <mamalos> ThinkT510: hmmm...OK, that's something I hadn't expected. I mean I understand its cruciality, but I suppose there is some way of forcing a package's uninstallation, another packages installation and change of dependencies in apt, right? Or not?
[08:41] <mamalos> Or some other workaround maybe?
[09:10] <bumblefuzz> how do I check the link speed of a USB device?
[09:15] <rhct> Hello everyone.
[09:17] <rhct> I am running ubuntu 18.04 KVM guest on oracle cloud, tried to changed the ssh port from default to 2020, then i allowed the port from ufw and open the port for the same from web ports of cloud security for subnets, but i am not able to ssh, even i cannot ssh into localhost
[09:17] <rhct> very strange
[09:18] <legreffier> rhct: you should have some firewall on oracle infra side...
[09:18] <legreffier> oh you did that too actually
[09:18] <rhct> legreffier : from that i can ssh into port 22, i added another port 2020 and pass it from  firewall but not working
[09:19] <rhct> between ssh localhost -p 2020 is also getting refused, thats the different story i believe
[09:19] <legreffier> can you pastebin your /etc/sshd_config ?
[09:19] <rhct> yeah
[09:19] <ThinkT510> mamalos: it really depends on exactly which packages are in conflict. you'd need to know which python3 packages came from your custom repo and somehow remove them and make sure the ubuntu packages get installed. I can't think of a clean way to do this. are you using pip as well?
[09:21] <rhct> legreffier : https://pastebin.com/hURPnyRb
[09:22] <rhct> legreffier : This is a fresh install
[09:24] <bumblefuzzz> why is a USB 3 device always connecting as USB 2?
[09:25] <bumblefuzzz> I've plugged it in multiple different ports, I have the correct cable
[09:25] <ThinkT510> bumblefuzzz: is it a usb2 port?
[09:25] <bumblefuzzz> no
[09:25] <bumblefuzzz> multiple different USB3 ports
[09:25] <bumblefuzzz> even ones directly on the motherboard
[09:25] <bumblefuzzz> the cable is correct
[09:26] <bumblefuzzz> lsusb for the device always shows a bcdUSB of 2.0
[09:26] <bumblefuzzz> it's a wifi adapter
[09:26] <bumblefuzzz> and upload speeds are slower than with the previous device
[09:27] <AndroUserekekeke> Hi
[09:27] <legreffier> rhct: it says 2222 here. not 2020. also you need to remove or prefix with # the 'port 22' line.
[09:28] <AndroUserekekeke> How can i reinstall vmlinuz to /boot??
[09:28] <EriC^^> AndroUserekekeke: reinstall the kernel package linux-image-....
[09:29] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>
[09:33] <AndroUserekekeke> Eric thnk you that fik it for me
[09:34] <fubar35> Hi everyone! I have a public registered subnet that I'm using to run some KVM-based VMs. Before netplan, I was able to setup a bridge and route the addresses through the host. Since my hoster (Hetzner) does not allow the VMs to leak their mac addresses to the host interface, directly running a bridge is no option (as e.g. suggested by
[09:34] <fubar35> https://fabianlee.org/2019/04/01/kvm-creating-a-bridged-network-with-netplan-on-ubuntu-bionic/). So I need to specifically forward and route the VMs subnet through the host interface. Anyone who could assist with that?
[09:50] <slyon> fubar35: do you have your previous bridge setup and routing options handy? IMO it would be best trying to recreate the setup via netplan.yaml
[09:58] <mamalos> OK, if nothing works, I'll just keep my /home as it is, tar my /etc and format my /, /usr, /etc and install 20.04 from scratch.
[09:59] <mamalos> ThinkT510: ^
[09:59] <mamalos> ThinkT510: And I'm using pip, but not system-wide
[10:01] <mamalos> so, format it seems that it is...petty, I should have thought of it earlier, before upgrading...
[10:01] <mamalos> *pitty
[10:01] <legreffier> rhct: you need to have only one 'Port' line.
[10:01] <mamalos> *pity :)
[10:01] <legreffier> (don't assume the parameters are parsed in order and overloaded.)
[10:23] <Peedy2495> Hello, I'm not able to use my nexus-proxy for apt over https. Own signed root and intermediate certs are imported and https is working well with wget or curl  in the provided repopath (TLS1.2). Any suggestion?
[10:36] <Peedy2495> A connection request to a repo fails with: Could not handshake: Error in the certificate.
[10:42] <blb4393> hello, I need to find out which app is registered for a specific file type in CLI. Using xdg-mime I can query the 'org.alike' name but then I need to find the desktop file and parse it to get the executable name. Is there an utility for that?
[10:55] <summonner> I would expect if the app reads the mime types, it should act that way, right?
[10:57] <blb4393> i'm in a bash script, i.e no app
[10:58] <blb4393> i can't use xdg-open because input stream is /dev/stdin, i.e no extension
[11:32] <Sbur3> does 20.04 as well as 20.10 support a 4tb hard drive in sata?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:10] <Saviq> wonko: hey, if you didn't find the problem yet, it's because of snap confinement: https://snapcraft.io/docs/home-interface
[13:31] <wonko> Saviq: That should be for snap installed packaged, right? Why would that affect my apt installed shell?
[13:34] <wonko> OH!
[13:34] <wonko> lsd
[13:34] <wonko> is snap installed
[13:37] <wonko> Saviq: is there a workaround for that to give lsd permission to that?
[13:37] <wonko> Now that I know what the issue is it's only a slight inconvenience but still annoying
[13:46] <ogra> wonko, well, it is a security feature, dot files/dirs typically contain sensible data (passwords, urls etc) ... while there is the "personal-files" interface to allow access to such files, the lsd maintainer would have to add one interface for each possible dot file and would have to go through security review for each of them individually ...
[13:47] <wonko> ok, so the work around is to ignore it and unalias ls if I absolutely need to.
[13:48] <wonko> although it *can* also be worked around with ls ~/.ssh/* which *does* work (and makes me feel like the security is being broken)
[13:50] <rud0lf> hello... after upgrading ubuntu server 16.04 -> 20.04 on vps i get this: host google.com -> Host google.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL) # for every host, unless i manually set up resolv.conf from 127.0.0.53 to 8.8.8.8
[13:51] <ogra> wonko, well, there is an interface to allow access to ~/.ssh, perhaps lsd uses that ? (i dont know the lsd snap so i cant tell) ... you can see connected interfaces with the "snap connections <snapname>" command
[13:52] <wonko> home and removable-media
[13:53] <wonko> I *can't* do ls ~/.ssh but I *can* do ls ~/.ssh/*
[13:53] <wonko> which seems broken
[13:53] <ogra> hmm, then you shouldnt be able to ls ~/.ssh/*
[13:53] <ogra> yes, that seems broken for sure
[13:54] <wonko> so that security mechanism appears to have a small hole in it.
[13:54] <ogra> well, there might be intention behind it, the security team would know
[13:54] <ogra> or the snapd team in the #snappy channel
[13:57] <ogra> we do have explicit "ssh-keys" and "ssh-public-keys" interfaces for ssh stuff that allow this access ... not sure why globbing over ~/.ssh would allow reading it
[13:58] <ogra> though since this is all managed by the kernel via its apparmor implementation, things like runnings such commands inside containers can/will behave slightly different due to security stacking
[14:27] <pavlos> wonko: what are the permissions on the .ssh dir ? should be 700, owner/group the username
[14:28] <wonko> pavlos: it's snap confinement.
[14:31] <hylian> how can I back up my settings and packages so they can be installed again WITHOUT use of the internet? (in other words, not apt-clone)??
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> hylian: i didnt test myself, but borg seems to be popular on the community
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> !borg
[14:36] <hylian> lotuspsychje: ill look into that, thanks. I have a brostrend wifi adapter and I have to dig up an ancient wifi n device and install through the internet everytime I want to re install my system, so I am trying to find a way to back that up.
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> hylian: well its always reccomended to also keep your system up to date aswell
[14:39] <hylian> lotuspsychje: i get that, it's just frustratingly stupid to have to rely on old hardware to get new hardware working again. I'm used to old ubuntu where I would plug something in and it would just run. what's the point of having a wifi card that wont work until you have drivers from the internet? That's like owning a car, and gas hasn't been invented yet... but I digress.
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> hylian: did you try other ubuntu releases/kernels yet that possibly do support your wifi driver?
[14:42] <hylian> lotuspsychje: yeah, no go. It has awesome speeds for wifi, but even the company is like "you'll want to install the drivers fresh from the interent", which is stupid, because it's the device i use to get to the internet. Might as well ask me to fly without wings. :D
[14:43] <hylian> lotuspsychje: well thanks for all you help, i've installed borg, and I'm going to try it now.
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> hylian: and your machine doesnt have an eth port to pull the updates in?
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> allrighty hylian good luck
[14:44] <hylian> lotuspsychje: this internet is provided via spectrum's "bulk services". There is no eth ports. the entire building is wifi only.
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> allright
[14:45] <hylian> lotuspsychje: I know right? :D Crazy situations. I would love to chew out brostrend. They should provide a internet-less driver for their wifi products. It only makes logical sense.
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> hylian: might be interesting to file a bug on that
[14:47] <hylian> lotuspsychje: will do.
[14:56] <ahylight> hi
[14:56] <ahylight> what's the simplest way to have a protected folder on a shared macine
[14:57] <ahylight> from command-line only?
[14:57] <ahylight> i'd like to have a big file that I can mount when I arrive on the machine
[14:57] <ahylight> at the end, I unmount it
[14:57] <ahylight> when mounting, it asks a password
[14:57] <EriC^^> ahylight: ecryptfs should do it
[14:58] <ahylight> EriC^^, can I mount it in one line of command line?
[14:58] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:59] <qwertuttyty> Mint 20 has no problem installing grub on sda if /boot and / are on sdb.Checked in  VBox bios. With Ubuntu the same? With Fedora 33 the same.
[15:00] <qwertuttyty> u-mate 20.04 20.10
[15:01] <qwertuttyty> bug or not bug?
[15:02] <qwertuttyty> sda sdb mbr
[15:12] <qwertuttyty> I don't remember that it was with 18, with 19, with 20.04 beta. There was not such
[15:40] <pavlos> petester: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RcG2wkZ3wp/
[15:52] <hylian> lotuspsychje: i think i found my solution, dpkg-repack. it backed up all my installed debs to a folder. *hopefully* this will solve my driver issues in the future. having wifi device that needs a driver from the internet is just plain stupidity of the worst kind. :) Glad I can think around it. :)
[15:53] <ijohnson> hi wonko I heard you have a snap confinement problem? You are able to list ~/.ssh/* from a strictly confined snap?
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> great you found a solution hylian
[15:54] <hylian> lotuspsychje: thanks again for all the help!
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> welcome hylian
[15:54] <wonko> ijohnson: yeah, lsd ~/.ssh failes with os error 13 (confined) and lsd ~/.ssh/* works fine
[15:54] <ijohnson> wonko: what distro is this? what's the output of `snap version` for you ?
[15:55] <wonko> 20.04 LTS (multipass) 2.47.1+20.04
[15:55] <ijohnson> wonko: what snap are you able to do this with? can you show `snap connections` for the snap you are trying this with?
[15:56] <wonko> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/e2fdb1e4e4ab636287c265806ab3dabf
[15:58] <ogra> ijohnson, snap version should probably notify that it is inside a container/vm ...
[15:58] <wonko> ijohnson: if you clicked that you can refresh it and I added the output of lsd working and not working
[15:58] <ogra> (since that can potentially influence confinement)
[15:58] <ijohnson> ogra: we proposed to do that and merged code to do that, but it was reverted because people are relying on specific format of the `snap version` command because ... reasons
[15:59] <ogra> oh my
[15:59] <ogra> politics ...
[16:00] <ijohnson> wonko: thanks I'll have a look and see if I can reproduce, to be clear this is a full VM with multipass you're running the lsd command with?
[16:00] <wonko> yes
[16:01] <ogra> i wonder if multipass does some bind mount magic for ~/.ssh that could cause this
[16:01] <wonko> I'm pretty sure it doesn't
[16:01] <Habbie> what is 'lsd'?
[16:01] <wonko> because this affects all dot folders
[16:01] <wonko> or if it doesn't it's not relevant
[16:01] <ogra> Habbie, it expands yur conciousness while listing directory contents
[16:02] <ogra> or so ...
[16:02] <ogra> 😛
[16:02] <wonko> I can't get the damn icons to work with Windows Terminal so I'm half tempted to just ditch it, but I find this all to be very curious and interesting from a security point of view.
[16:02] <ogra> Habbie, https://snapcraft.io/lsd
[16:03] <Habbie> ogra, thanks
[16:12] <ogra> wonko, if you say windows terminal ... this isnt multipass running in WSL or some such i hope ?
[16:12] <wonko> No, I replaced WSL with multipass
[16:13] <wonko> WSL was nice, but it was pissing me off too much
[16:13] <ogra> oh, so it is multipass natively on windows ?
[16:13] <wonko> yes
[16:13]  * ijohnson is in meeting, will return soon
[16:13] <wonko> the actual proper hyper-v VM
[16:21] <ogra> wonko, whats the output of "snap debug confinement" ?
[16:22] <wonko> strict
[16:28] <ogra> wonko, also "snap list lsd" ... does that say "devmode" at the end of the line ?
[16:30] <wonko> lsd   0.16.0   62   latest/stable  peltoche   -
[16:32] <ogra> okay
[16:42] <ogra> wonko, seems you found a ral bug then 🙂 i can actually reproduce it on my laptop... (and ian too)
[16:42] <ioria> https://githinub.com/Peltoche/lsd/issues/79
[16:43] <ioria> they suggest the .deb version : https://github.com/Peltoche/lsd/releases
[16:46] <brillopad> Hi! I've got a Yubikey and I'm looking to set it up so that when I run a command with sudo then it doesn't require a password. The guide here shows me how to set it up so that I need a password AND the Yubikey but I'd like it so that the password isn't required. https://support.yubico.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016649099-Ubuntu-Linux-Login-Guide-U2F
[16:46] <brillopad> Any ideas?
[16:47] <ogra> well, yeah, something like lsd should be a classic snap ... though this discussion isnt really about lsd itself
[16:50] <ijohnson> wonko: I know what the issue it, and it's not a confinement escape
[16:50] <ijohnson> wonko: try `lsd '~/.ssh/*'` and see what happens
[16:52] <wonko> that also fails
[16:52] <wonko> cannot access '~/.ssh/*': No such file or directory (os error 2)
[16:53] <wonko> but differently
[16:53] <ijohnson> wonko: yes, so I guess what I was trying to say is that there is nothing wrong with snap confinement for the `lsd` snap
[16:54] <ijohnson> what's happening is that your shell you are running `lsd` in, is expanding `~/.ssh/*` to all those files _before_ running the snap
[16:54] <ijohnson> so your snap actually sees something like this:
[16:54] <ijohnson> [pid 44201] 1604422062.123092 execve("/snap/lsd/62/command-lsd.wrapper", ["/snap/lsd/62/command-lsd.wrapper", "/home/ijohnson/.ssh/authorized_keys", "/home/ijohnson/.ssh/config", "/home/ijohnson/.ssh/id_rsa", "/home/ijohnson/.ssh/id_rsa-lxd", "/home/ijohnson/.ssh/id_rsa-lxd.pub", "/home/ijohnson/.ssh/id_rsa.pub", "/home/ijohnson/.ssh/known_hosts", "/home/ijohnson/.ssh/known_hosts.old"], 0xc420178300 /* 95 vars */
[16:54] <ijohnson> <unfinished ...>
[16:54] <wonko> but shouldn't confinement deny those based on the path being a dot file in the home dir?
[16:54] <ijohnson> where my shell (bash) expanded the * to all those files you see, and then lsd "kinda" works because it knows the names of the files
[16:55] <ijohnson> then lsd is able to display some info about those files because it uses the `stat` syscall on those filenames which were already provided to it
[16:55] <ijohnson> the `stat` syscall is always allowed for snaps for any filename, and it is a known information leak, but it is very minimal, since you can't use `stat` to learn other filenames, or read actual content of the data
[16:56] <ijohnson> it can only give you metadata about the filenames that we already tol the lsd snap about
[16:56] <wonko> ok, so as long as it's not a security breach I guess it's ok
[16:56] <ijohnson> yes it's not a security breach
[16:56] <wonko> it's *very* confusing though so from a UI perspective it's terrible. :)
[16:56] <ijohnson> now as you and ogra mentioned, maybe lsd should just be a classic snap anyways
[16:56] <ijohnson> but yes also I agree that this is confusing
[16:57] <ijohnson> unfortunately we don't really have any way of preventing it, short of changing how the shell works
[16:57] <wonko> Well, I just installed the deb version
[16:57] <wonko> so that's the "solution" to this particular problem
[16:57] <ijohnson> eventually some day we may be able to mediate stat syscall arguments using seccomp in which case we can make this fail the way it should under strict confinement, but we are a long way from having that aiui
[16:57] <wonko> but that still seems a bit counter-intuative
[16:58] <ogra> yes, the solution wuld be a classic snap ..
[16:58] <ogra> *would
[16:58] <wonko> ok, so there is a roadmap, that helps
[17:00] <ijohnson> wonko: but yes in the short-term I think you should make a request to the lsd snap to have it become a classic snap instead
[17:01] <ijohnson> wonko: there's an email address under `snap info wonko` you could try to ask them to change the confinement
[17:02] <ogra> ijohnson, i think you mean "snap info lsd" 🙂
[17:02] <ijohnson> ah sorry yes that is what I mean
[17:02] <wonko> looking at that github issue ioria listed it looks like they know but haven't updated the snap yet (if they ever do)
[17:02]  * ijohnson types too fast for his own good sometimes
[17:02] <ijohnson> is there a github issue for this?
[17:03]  * wonko laughs at snap info wonko
[17:03] <wonko> https://github.com/Peltoche/lsd/issues/79
[17:04] <wonko> They've removed the snap install directions from the README.md as well
[17:04] <wonko> that snap package really needs to be deleted
[17:06] <wonko> There, I've added a comment asking them to remove it if they aren't going to udpate it
[17:07] <ogra> making it classic would be nicer but well ..
[17:07] <wonko> they don't seem to be intersted in doing that for some reason
[17:07] <ogra> it is quite some effort since you need to ask for a security review etc
[17:08] <ogra> so there is paperwork and waiting involved
[17:08] <wonko> ah, ok, that's a good reason to not want to do it. :)
[17:09] <ogra> it really depends if your app is updating usually faster than distros release new versions ... than snaps are always the better choice ...
[17:09] <ogra> i assume lsd isnt really in that category
[17:32] <wonko> It doesn't seem to have a fast dev cycle, no
[17:42] <wonko> Also, thank you so much for helping me figure this out. Nobody was able to help me. :)
[17:43] <ogra> well, thanks for showing us that flaw ... that surely made my workday a little more interesting
[17:54] <omn1present_> Hey
[17:57] <wonko> ogra: more than happy to break things. :) I wonder if there is a way for snap to return a better error though. That error message is......... not useful and very misleading.
[17:58] <ash_worksi> how do I increase the number of failed attempts allowed to decrypt a GPG encyrpted file?
[18:00] <ash_worksi> I'm using a program called 'password store' which throws up an ubuntu-style dialog box when decrypting a password file asking for my password and attempts are max 3... my guess is that there's a system setting that manages that?
[18:03] <ice9> how can I run a privileged command right after login in GDM?
[18:16] <devslash> I added a microsoft repo to install SQL Server for linux but I am getting an error that the GPG key is not signed
[18:16] <devslash> does anyone know how I can fix this
[18:16] <Habbie> devslash, not signed or not trusted?
[18:16] <Habbie> devslash, usually the instructions from a vendor would also tell you how to get the key
[18:16] <devslash> i dunno
[18:19] <Maik> PPA's and other stuff from outside the official Ubuntu repo's aren't supported here afaik, their usage are at own risk
[18:20] <devslash> i fixed it thanks
[18:20] <Maik> cool :)
[18:25] <hansh> after installing mono-devel, how do i compile hello_world.cs ?
[18:33] <blahboybaz> If mac is unix based and linux is unix based then won't a program for mac be able to run on linux?
[18:35] <KindOne> blahboybaz: https://www.darlinghq.org/
[18:36] <Maik> blahboybaz: that's not ubuntu support related, better to take that into #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:37] <blahboybaz> oh
[18:37] <Maik> :)
[18:38] <blahboybaz> KindOne: Thanks
[18:41] <blahboybaz> I'm trying to install wine and getting an error when trying to install the keys. I don't know if this error relates to the wine keys or some other applicaiton since it contains the name of an-other application in the output (but the command that was run contained the wine information). How do I know if it was successful or not and whether it's safe to proceed (not make the situation worse)??
[18:41] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: what version of ubuntu?
[18:42] <blahboybaz> leftyfb:  18.04
[18:43] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: https://linuxconfig.org/install-wine-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[18:45] <MikeRL> Hi guys. I'm trying to install NVIDIA drivers from the website and not the PPA. I keep getting extraction failed. Tried installing dependencies, stopping GDM, running the .run file as root, nothing works. I've already removed anything related to the drivers from the PPA.
[18:46] <MikeRL> Driver version I'm trying to get is 455.38.
[18:46] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: Since I had already issued a couple commands from here:  https://wine.htmlvalidator.com/install-wine-on-ubuntu-18.04.html    Do you think that if you saw this: https://pastebin.com/CjFgJQmL    you could tell what sort of situation I'm in now?
[18:47] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/knhcRj4qPr/
[18:47] <MikeRL> ^^ There is the terminal command and output. Simply looks like it failed to extract, but why?
[18:48] <MikeRL> Forgot to mention OS release is 20.10.
[18:49] <blahboybaz> MikeRL: From what I see there it appears fine. What gives you the indiaction it failed? Is there something not seen in that paste?
[18:50] <MikeRL> Woah.
[18:50] <MikeRL> It pasted weird. It expands really long horizontally. Caught me off guard. Says "extraction failed".
[18:51] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T9qj8J4QRq/
[18:51] <g3poandlsl> MikeRL, check your free disk space, specifically in /tmp
[18:51] <MikeRL> I removed a ton of the periods so it is visible now, just to be more clear.
[18:54] <MikeRL> "/tmp" shows 512M available, 28k used. Command was "df -h slash tmp"
[18:55] <MikeRL> More of sudo df -h https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SxJBdqt3rF/
[18:55] <MikeRL> I do use some of my 16GB of RAM as temp storage. Wonder if there's a conflict there?
[18:55] <MikeRL> Doubt it but who knows for sure?
[18:56] <blahboybaz> Even following the other article at the link given the resulting output is the same (there appears to be some problem but I can't tell if there is one or what it is if there is).
[18:57] <blahboybaz>  Since I had already issued a couple commands from here:  https://wine.htmlvalidator.com/install-wine-on-ubuntu-18.04.html    Do you think that if you saw this: https://pastebin.com/CjFgJQmL    you could tell what sort of situation I'm in now?
[18:57] <blahboybaz> ^^ the output shown in the paste is the same using either article information to do the install
[18:58] <blahboybaz> Please note the information in the title of the paste
[18:58] <g3poandlsl> MikeRL, can you try running `sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-455.38.run --extract-only`
[18:59] <MikeRL> g3poandlsl, Thanks. Will do.
[19:00] <MikeRL> g3poandlsl, That command worked.
[19:00] <g3poandlsl> MikeRL, you should now have a directory with the installer in it.  Should be able to install from there
[19:01] <ice9> how can I run a privileged custom command right after login in GDM?
[19:01] <MikeRL> Yeah. Think it looks simple from here.
[19:02] <MikeRL> Seems to be working thus far. Will post results.
[19:03] <blahboybaz> How can I determine if a key was installed correctly?
[19:17] <MikeRL> It worked.
[19:17] <MikeRL> Thanks g3poandlsl
[19:25] <code-witch> hi
[19:25] <code-witch> i am trying to install enlightenment
[19:25] <code-witch> on ubuntu 18.04
[19:26] <code-witch> i get the error "PAM is not disabled and not found on non-free+open BSD platforms"
[19:26] <code-witch> any help?
[19:37] <goddard> why when booting it shows my bios image?
[19:39] <Maik> goddard: BIOS image or do you mean vendor image
[19:39] <goddard> uh I mean my motherboard's brand image
[19:39] <goddard> This some new uefi thing?
[19:40] <goddard> on newer kernels it just shows this image and doesn't ever boot the desktop
[19:41] <Maik> goddard: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/03/ubuntu-20-04-oem-boot-splash    you mean that?
[19:42] <goddard> ya exactly
[19:43] <Maik> yep, nothing new. :)
[19:46] <rai-en> hey there
[19:46] <goddard> okay, but how do you debug the boot process? Usually on boot up it will show me the systemd processes and then I know where a failure happened?
[19:46] <rai-en> so i tried to install the jdk
[19:46] <rai-en> but when trying to install the jdk my computer froze and i had to reboot
[19:46] <rai-en> what should i do?
[19:55] <pavlos> rai-en: what release are you on?
[19:56] <pavlos> rai-en: there is, sudo apt install default-jdk
[20:03] <rai-en> i am on the latest stable release
[20:03] <rai-en> "20. something"
[20:04] <rai-en> yeah so i tried to purge jdk and it said "unable to locate package"
[20:04] <rai-en> computer froze after walked way from it after doing "sudo apt-get install default jdk"
[20:05] <rai-en> and hitting "y"
[20:05] <pavlos> rai-en: default-jdk ans a dash
[20:05] <pavlos> has
[20:06] <rai-en> oh
[20:06] <rai-en> i didn't include the dash and it started installing though
[20:07] <pavlos> rai-en: it tried to install a package named "default" and another package named "jdk"
[20:07] <rai-en> ok i just did sudo apt-get purge "default-jdk"
[20:07] <rai-en> and it found it now
[20:09] <elichai2> Hi, how can I get online all the reverse dependencies a package has?
[20:09] <rai-en> ty so much guys for the assistance
[20:10] <tomreyn> elichai2: by "online", you mean some website, because you don'T run the ubuntu release you are wondering about?
[20:11] <elichai2> tomreyn: yeah, I'm a maintainer of an OSS package that is published in ubuntu's repos and I want to see rev deps
[20:11] <tomreyn> hmm, i'm not aware of a way to do so without installing it
[20:13] <tomreyn> elichai2: are you aware of any other distribution which does provides a web interface for quering this information?
[20:13] <Habbie> do 'metadata files on the repo' count as a web interface? :):
[20:13] <Habbie> :)
[20:13] <Habbie> otherwise, it's very easy with docker - elichai2, can i look something up for you?
[20:14] <elichai2> tomreyn: Arch does: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/libsecp256k1/
[20:14] <elichai2> (see "Required By")
[20:14] <elichai2> Habbie: yes please :) `libsecp256k1`
[20:14] <Habbie> elichai2, which ubuntu?
[20:15] <elichai2> all? argh I guess 18.04 will prob be the most used
[20:17] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds; apt rdepends libsecp256k1-0)     #   https://termbin.com/r6zm
[20:17] <Habbie> so, 'ring'
[20:18] <Habbie> 16.04 does not have the package
[20:19] <Habbie> for 20.04: ring, jami
[20:19] <Habbie> (jami is the new ring, it appears)
[20:35] <elichai2> so just ring/jami? Thanks!
[20:57] <ice9> how can I run a privileged custom command right after login in GDM?
[21:02] <EriC^^> ice9: you could add the command to the sudoers list, "sudo visudo"
[21:03] <ice9> EriC^^, and who it will be executed upon login in GDM?
[21:03] <EriC^^> whoever you want, roof by default i guess
[21:13] <oft_gegong> how do you submit ubuntu 18.04 bugs the right way?
[21:13] <oft_gegong> because the bugs could've been fixed in 20.04+
[21:17] <sarnold> oft_gegong: ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[21:20] <oft_gegong> wow it's that easy! cool.
[21:22] <spelter> HI there! I'm having a bit of a problem doing a temporary install of Ubuntu 20.04.1LTS from the latest image on to my desktop; installed it successfully on a SSD, and then I managed to accidentally install the LVM package which screwed things up, subsequent trials have failed either on first boot or succeeding boots into grub rescue;
[21:23] <spelter> and this is regardless of me erasing the partition; grub is still stored there somewhere even if I wipe all the partitions clean, I think it has something to do with LVM
[21:24] <spelter> (and by partitions I mean all of them on the SSD. there's some hang-up with that one. I've been trying to figure out a way, it seems that LVM can "overwrite" the SSD boundaries which makes it prone to destroy things
[21:25] <thegodsquirrel> Can you just re-install?
[21:25] <Reset`> hi
[21:25] <spelter> right now I'm writing zeroes at another computer on to the ssd to clear it up. Suggestion to the suggestion box ":-)": Please include a thorough disk format/check-up procedure into the installer
[21:25] <Reset`> anyone on?
[21:25] <spelter> That would solve a lot of things
[21:25] <g3poandlsl> spelter, did you format the drive, or just delete the partitions? sounds like the MBR is still there
[21:25] <spelter> Reset`: I am but I am not sure if anyone is listening to me
[21:26] <Reset`> hmm i have a problem ith the card reader from laptop
[21:26]  * thegodsquirrel raises hand
[21:26] <Reset`> im trying to format it but it doesent let me
[21:26] <spelter> g3poandlsl: I tried a multitude of tricks; including reformatting (not deep-level though) on a Windows machine etc.
[21:26] <Reset`> also i cant see the card as drive
[21:26] <spelter> Reset`: you might not have sudo privileges for that?
[21:26] <Reset`> i can see it in disk utility but it vill not format
[21:26] <Reset`> i do
[21:26] <spelter> Reset`: make sure nothing is locking it up
[21:27] <spelter> (i.e. another process)
[21:27] <Reset`> how do i do that
[21:27] <Reset`> its not used
[21:27] <Reset`> i bought a second sd card to make sure the first was not good
[21:27] <Reset`> and same story
[21:27] <Reset`> it doesent show and when formatting i get an error
[21:28] <Reset`> :(
[21:28] <spelter> g3poandlsl: But yep, that is very weird in my opinion too, right now I'm just writing zeroes over the entire ssd (a brand new WD Blue) with "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX"
[21:28] <Reset`> and when i try to put it on my kids tablet, and connect it via usb, the tablet doesent show
[21:28] <spelter> g3poandlsl: (with "X" being the drive id letter)
[21:28] <Reset`> im a beginner with linux
[21:29] <spelter> Reset`: is your reader working as it should?
[21:29] <g3poandlsl> spelter, and is that the only drive in computer?
[21:29] <Reset`> it does show it in disc utilities
[21:29] <spelter> Reset`: you can take a flashlight and shine it inside of it to see if the pins are aligned.
[21:29] <Reset`> so im guessing yes
[21:29] <Reset`> hmm let me check
[21:29] <spelter> g3poandlsl: Yes. I deliberately disconnected _eveything_ else
[21:30] <spelter> g3poandlsl: it did work, like I first mentioned, and did so really well, up until I accidentally managed to grab the lvm1 package, that screwed everything up
[21:30] <Reset`> yes i can see the pins are all there
[21:30] <spelter> g3poandlsl: 20.04.1LTS installer was basically seeing "ghosts" of the drive's contents
[21:31] <Reset`> im using 18.
[21:31] <Reset`> only device that i have is a dslr camera, and when using cable, i can see the folder , but not as a drive
[21:31] <spelter> g3poandlsl: i.e. when the lvm1 package screwed things up (= would only boot to grub rescue), I tried just to do a new wipe install, but things just got more wonkier...
[21:32] <Reset`> and when connecting tablet it doesent see it as a drive
[21:32] <spelter> g3poandlsl: I've been googling up the issue and it really seems that grub can leave "traces" of itself especially to SSD's and it has been advised that you just rewrite the entire drive with zeroes
[21:32] <Reset`> is there any chance i can plug the tablet in, and be recognised as a drive?
[21:33] <Reset`> maybe installing some software that can do that?
[21:33] <Reset`> and be able to edit files with that software directly on the tablet?
[21:33] <g3poandlsl> spelter, I think you maybe on to something with lvm messing with the SSD boundaries
[21:34] <g3poandlsl> https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Partition_Alignment_detailed_explanation
[21:34] <spelter> g3poandlsl: Now, it _could_ be beneficial (to understate _and_ underscore a bit :D) that there'd be some kind of disc checkup and a more thorough overwrite procedure when installing ubuntu desktop (mine's the amd64, on intel i7 core), at least have that kind of a thorough format of the system drive as an option etc. ..
[21:34] <spelter> g3poandlsl: yes, that's the conclusion I came up with
[21:34] <spelter> geez I hate lvm :D
[21:35] <spelter> proper zfs support would be = what me worry
[21:35] <g3poandlsl> lvm2 isn't that bad
[21:37] <Reset`> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0f88:3189 VTech Holdings, Ltd
[21:37] <Reset`> it shows in the usb
[21:37] <Reset`> but i cant see it to edit files on the sd card
[21:37] <Reset`> how do i do that
[21:37] <spelter> g3poandlsl: well, perhaps not but I think zfs at least has the data redundancy aspacet thought more thoroughly in it, perhaps it's not optimal for performance but at least you don't slam your OS into a brick wall
[21:38] <spelter> Reset`: what does 'sudo fdisk -l' show you?
[21:38] <spelter> also, what filesystem did you format it to
[21:39] <Reset`> i tried ntfs for transferring files more than 4gb
[21:39] <Reset`> then the other
[21:39] <Reset`> and it didnt vork
[21:39] <Reset`> fat and ntfs
[21:39] <spelter> Reset`: well there might be your problem, remember that it's a proprietary windows format and you should always use exFAT with large sd cards anyway
[21:39] <spelter> Reset`: and exfat ?
[21:40] <Reset`> im trying nov vith exfat
[21:40] <spelter> Reset`: regardless of your OS, for large SD-type cards (note: _NOT_ SSD's) = MicroSD's, SDCard, etc., you should use exFAT
[21:41] <spelter> spelter: if you had problems that it will not read on other devices it might be exactly due to the format. it's a tricky thing since FAT32 is limited and not even all media box-type devices read exFAT cards
[21:42] <Reset`> Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 14.9 GiB, 15931539456 bytes, 31116288 sectors
[21:42] <spelter> Reset`: yes, that should be your memory card
[21:42] <spelter> Reset`: you could try mounting it straight from the terminal with 'sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0 /media/yourlocationhere'
[21:43] <Reset`> i can format it on camera, and i did, but still doesent shov
[21:43] <Reset`> ill try to mount manually
[21:43] <spelter> Reset`: what Ubuntu version are you using?
[21:44] <Reset`> 18
[21:44] <spelter> Reset`: oh... well
[21:44] <Reset`> mount: /media/desktop: mount point does not exist.
[21:44] <spelter> Reset`: rather do this , sudo mkdir /media/mycard
[21:45] <spelter> Reset`: then:   sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0 /media/mycard
[21:45] <Guma> Hello. I have some LTE USB module that I am trying to communicate with. I am testing it on  latest 20.04. When I plug in the board to my machine I can see four ttyUSB* devices. When I start moserial and try to connect to any of the ttyUSB I get error that I can't open it. I added my used name to dialout and and plugdev. Did logout/login to my account. I can connect as root just fine. But this is not what I want.  When I check permission on all ttyUSB I see
[21:45] <Guma>  root:dialout rw-rw---. Any ideas what am I missing?
[21:45] <Reset`> mount: /media/mycard: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
[21:46] <spelter> Guma: You mean a USB dongle ?
[21:46] <Guma> spelter yes USB dongle :)
[21:46] <spelter> Reset`: interesting. Well, have you tried the media reader with any other computer?
[21:46] <Reset`> is integrated
[21:46] <spelter> Reset`: oh. hmm, well, it could be it's unsupported or something
[21:47] <Reset`> i bought an external one should arrive in couple of days
[21:47] <Reset`> but i anted to have access to this to put some cartoons for my kid
[21:47] <Reset`> on his tablet
[21:47] <CarlFK> Reset`: mmcblk0 might  be mmcblk0p1
[21:47] <spelter> Guma: usb dongles usually have their own dingleberry partition for autoboot and such, even on Ubuntu 18.04 my LTE 4G dongle worked straight out of the box tho
[21:48] <spelter> CarlFK: Reset`: yep Carl is right, you should mount the partition point, sorry, it's a bit late back here
[21:48] <Reset`> i tried .. is not ...:(
[21:49] <spelter> Reset`: so does your sudo fdisk -l show _any_ partitions under the /dev/mmcblk0 (i.e. mmcblk0p1 , mmcblk0p2 )
[21:49] <spelter> ?
[21:49] <Reset`> it gives me permision denied
[21:50] <Guma> spelter Looks like my unit is supported and recognized. All I can to send some AT command right now. But later I will try to write some code to send AT commands programaticly. And if I cn not open the port under my user name I have problem. I do not want to do this as root. Unless there is no way around it.
[21:50] <spelter> Reset`: what exactly gives you permission denied ?
[21:50] <Reset`> disk: cannot open /dev/mmcblk0: Permission denied
[21:50] <spelter> Guma: if it's a dongle then there's usually a required login screen before you can go online
[21:51] <spelter> Reset`:    did you type:   sudo fdisk -l
[21:51] <CarlFK> Reset`: I love me cli, but also for investigating disks: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Disks
[21:52] <CarlFK> which I can't figure out what command launches it.  super key, type disks...
[21:52] <Reset`> ill put the code on pastebin
[21:52] <sixecho> hrmm... just auto-updated from 20.04 to 20.10 and it borked my desktop - boots to text only login - i run startx and just get a blue screen.  not cool.
[21:52] <sixecho> only error i see on startup is `[drm:vmw_host_log [vmwgfx]] *ERROR* Failed to send host log message.`
[21:52] <spelter> CarlFK: that's pretty much linux in a nutshell, lol :D "I love it but i can't figure out how it works"
[21:52] <Reset`> https://pastebin.com/k25rThbS
[21:52] <pavlos> he said sudo
[21:53] <CarlFK> spelter: lol - yep.
[21:53] <pavlos> Reset`: spelter wrote, sudo fdisk -l
[21:53] <Reset`> ohh, i`m so dumb ok i got it nov
[21:53] <spelter> Guma: sorry, my brain is drifting, with that I meant that you need to hop via the USB dongle's own "kinda-localhost" and enter your pin code and such, there's usually an admin page-kinda thing
[21:54] <spelter> Guma:  but as for me, at least the LTE 4G dongle worked straight out of the box.
[21:54] <Reset`> https://pastebin.com/1RLYEKgx
[21:55] <Reset`> this is vhat it shovs
[21:55] <spelter> Reset`: that only shows your hdd's
[21:55] <pavlos> CarlFK: the "disks" is launched from gnome-disks
[21:55] <Reset`> aye only the hdd
[21:56] <CarlFK> pavlos: gnome-disks - thanks.  Reset`  .. run gnome-disks
[21:56] <Reset`> how do i do that
[21:56] <spelter> Reset`: hdd/sdd drives are /dev/sdX  , where X is the bleh and the blah, your memory card is /dev/mmcblkX and its partitions are /dev/mmcblkXpY (Y being the partition number of the X)
[21:56] <spelter> Reset`: it should be showing when the card is in the reader's slot
[21:57] <CarlFK> Reset`:  type gnome-disks and hit enter.  it is a command
[21:57] <spelter> CarlFK: thumbs up for the authoritative answer :D hehe
[21:57] <Reset`> right
[21:57] <Reset`> it shows there
[21:57] <Reset`> i can see it
[21:57] <spelter> "don't go into the light!"
[21:57] <Reset`> i have format
[21:58] <spelter> alright, that was just a pun. sorry.
[21:58] <Reset`> so i need to select exfat
[21:58] <Reset`> ?
[21:59] <spelter> Reset`: Yes, you should always use it for larger memory cards at the very least.
[21:59] <spelter> Reset`: in fact, you run into FAT32 restrictions quite quickly with sticks and cards. OBVIOUSLY this does not apply to i.e. Raspberry Pi-type of memory card builds but ... and, if the card/stick is smaller, it can run FAT32 as well
[22:00] <spelter> Reset`: and take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt because I'm sure there's someone who has a differing view on these things too, that's purely a personal preference of mine :)
[22:01] <Reset`> well. does exfat lets you copy files larger than 4 gb?
[22:01] <spelter> Reset`: yes. according to this site called google.com ; The specifications, features, and requirements of the exFAT file system include: File size limit of 16 exbibytes (264−1 bytes, or about 1019 bytes, which is otherwise limited by a maximum volume size of 128 PiB, or 257−1 bytes), raised from 4 GiB (232−1 bytes) in a standard FAT32 file system.
[22:02] <spelter> Reset`: Recommended reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT
[22:03] <spelter> Reset`:
[22:03] <spelter> exFAT can be used where NTFS is not a feasible solution (due to data-structure overhead), but a greater file-size limit than the standard FAT32 file system (i.e. 4 GiB) is required.
[22:03] <spelter> exFAT has been adopted by the SD Association as the default file system for SDXC cards larger than 32 GB.
[22:03] <Reset`> it sais (udisks-error-quark, 0)
[22:03] <Reset`> while formating
[22:03] <Reset`> error sincronising after formatting
[22:04] <spelter> Reset`: no idea on that, but there's this great site called google.com that might help you out, especially if you copypaste that error message in a "<yourerrormessagehere>" type of way
[22:04] <Reset`> trust me, ive been doing this for the past half day
[22:04] <Reset`> trying to figure it out
[22:04] <Reset`> i thought ya guys experts here
[22:05] <Reset`> :))
[22:05] <Reset`> ive been google-ing for 5 hours
[22:05] <spelter> Reset`: I don't use that part much with GUI stuff. did you already try with gparted ?
[22:05] <spelter> Reset`: sudo apt install gparted , sudo gparted
[22:05] <spelter> then choose your card and see what it shows up
[22:06] <Reset`> with gparted yes
[22:06] <Reset`> it can see it
[22:06] <spelter> Reset`: oh, so. that's interesting
[22:06] <Reset`> it says unnalocated space bla bla
[22:06] <spelter> Reset`: well that means it hasn't formatted it, if you are looking at the right disk, that is
[22:06] <Reset`> it says select new partition table type
[22:07] <spelter> Reset`: please do note that you have to select the "mmcblk0" from the drop-down menu so that you don't accidentally screw up your hdd's
[22:07] <Reset`> and default is msdos
[22:07] <Reset`> aye is the only one showing
[22:07] <Reset`> leave it on msdos?
[22:08] <Reset`> it has atari , ax
[22:08] <Reset`> amiga, bsd msdos
[22:08] <spelter> Reset`: good lord, don't touch anything :D
[22:09] <spelter> Reset`: So, I put your error message about the quarks into these " " quotation marks and put it in this great site called google.com and the first hit was:
[22:09] <spelter> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjvlfXJsefsAhWnlosKHVhNCqkQFjAAegQIBRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Faskubuntu.com%2Fquestions%2F377253%2Funable-to-format-usb-drive-with-disks-udisks-error-quark-0&usg=AOvVaw3f3wEQGKGjToZQfq7EosPX
[22:09] <spelter> oh wow. Sorry
[22:09] <spelter> spelter: https://askubuntu.com/questions/377253/unable-to-format-usb-drive-with-disks-udisks-error-quark-0
[22:09] <spelter> Reset`: ^ :D
[22:09] <Reset`> https://imgur.com/a/4BApLE9
[22:12] <spelter> Reset`: ok, you are not alone with your problem. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1035671/sd-card-has-no-partition-table-and-has-no-file-system
[22:21] <Reset`> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 dd: writing to '/dev/mmcblk0': Input/output error
[22:22] <sarnold> check dmesg
[22:22] <sarnold> there's probably sometihng in there about block IO errors
[22:24] <Reset`>  8225.857490] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 31116167, nr 1, cmd response 0x900, card status 0x0 [ 8225.857496] print_req_error: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 31116167
[22:24] <Reset`> i am seriosly thinking to put some gas on it , and set it on fire
[22:25] <Reset`> then buy a new one , at this stage
[22:25] <Reset`> :))
[22:25] <spelter> Reset`: :D
[22:25] <spelter> Reset`: you might want to try with air spray and/or isopropanol first (without the fire part)
[22:26] <Reset`> i do know the card works cause i can do pics with the dslr , camera sees it and even formats it
[22:26] <spelter> Reset`: I have no clue what might be the culprit in that one apart from Ubuntu 18.04 either not supporting the card reader properly or the card reader being broken
[22:26] <Reset`> something wrong with the reader
[22:26] <spelter> spelter: yep it's probably the reader or .. the reader.
[22:26] <spelter> :D
[22:26] <Reset`> but takin in consideration, if i use it inside the tablet
[22:27] <Reset`> yis there any chance to be able to see it as a drive and edit files on the card?
[22:27] <Reset`> it does see the tablet when i connect it
[22:27] <Maik> Reset`: exfat installed?
[22:27] <spelter> It might work on a newer Ubuntu version, but if you're not down to updating from 18.04, then you can skip that advice
[22:28] <Reset`> if i upgrade to 20
[22:28] <spelter> Maik: Reset`: yep you gotta take that in to consideration
[22:28] <Reset`> 20 needs more resources than 18?
[22:28] <pavlos> Reset`: sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[22:28] <spelter> Reset`: well I've switched to 20.04.1LTS quite a while ago, 18.04LTS is lagging behind at this point to say the least
[22:30] <Reset`> i did wanted to cause i got a ,message to update but i was afraid it will lag
[22:30] <spelter> Reset`: hard to tell, depends on what kind of window manager you run it with
[22:30] <Reset`> cause its a piece of crap laptop with i5 procesor
[22:30] <Maik> Reset`: install exfat first as pavlos showed you and let us know if that worked
[22:31] <Reset`> exfat-utils is already the newest version (1.2.8-1)
[22:31] <Reset`> ill update and see what happens
[22:32] <Maik> besides that 20.04 isn't more resource hungry compared to 18.04
[22:33] <Reset`> this happens with my other 64 gb stick , when i use it on tv, and want to record a show,. i have to format it from tv , and if i plug it in pc, i have to format again, cause it doesent recognise the samsung format
[22:33] <Reset`> how do i upgrade from console?
[22:34] <Reset`> sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[22:34] <Maik> Reset`: https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today
[22:35] <Maik> you should have had the upgrade notification by now if i'm not mistaken
[22:36] <Reset`> i did but i pressed hide when it came
[22:36] <Reset`> will follow steps from there
[22:36] <Maik> make sure you backup any important files first
[22:36] <Reset`> it will not delete files or folders ?
[22:36] <Reset`> why, they gonna delete?
[22:37] <Maik> you have to keep in mind that things can go wrong. Upgrades aren't flaweless for everyone
[22:37] <Maik> different kind of setups, hardware etc etc
[22:38] <Maik> for one user it can go well, for the other there might be issues that pop up
[22:39] <Reset`> is not like installing the os from scratch , thats what i`m asking
[22:39] <Maik> no
[22:39] <Reset`> is like when you get android updated and files still there
[22:39] <Maik> yep
[22:39] <Reset`> ok
[22:39] <Reset`> imma do it
[22:39] <Maik> good luck :)
[22:40] <Reset`> i have 80gb of pics from when i was 1 till now , ir i loose that, im dead :))
[22:40] <Maik> hence i told you to backup important files first
[22:41] <EriC^^> it's said a smart person usually learns from their mistakes, a wise person learns from others
[22:41] <Maik> Reset`: so grab a external HD and copy them over first
[22:42] <Reset`> it would had been a great idea
[22:42] <EriC^^> +1
[22:42] <Reset`> if i had one
[22:42] <Reset`> :))
[22:43] <Maik> everyone these days has at least one external HD for storing backup files on
[22:43]  * Maik even has two
[22:43] <Maik> i never keep any important files on my machines
[22:43] <EriC^^> no backup is a dusaster waiting to happen
[22:44] <EriC^^> *disaster
[22:44] <Maik> EriC^^: yep, i agree
[22:44] <spelter> Reset`: trust me, backup.
[22:45] <spelter> Reset`: right now I'm fishing out stuff from a broken sdd with a _really_ expensive piece of software
[22:45] <spelter> at one of my endpoints
[22:45] <spelter> no up like backup
[22:45] <Maik> Reset`: it's your call, you can't blame us if things go wrong and you loose your 80GB of pics
[22:45] <spelter> Maik: 100% yes.
[22:45] <FreeBDSM> hi, what the shit is this? https://i.imgur.com/rI3dgm2.png
[22:45] <Reset`> hdds are more ok , cause if something goes wrong, you can still save data from them
[22:45] <Reset`> but if a ssd is toasted
[22:45] <spelter> Reset`: Yep don't do it before you back up your stuff
[22:46] <Guma> spammy Did you get you dongle working with Modem Mnager? Or did you configured it manually to get internet? I will be using it on my IoT project that does not have ModemManager. So I am also looking for HowTo set this dongle manually.
[22:46] <spelter>  Reset`: in many cases yes, but not in all cases.
[22:46] <spammy> huh?
[22:46] <Guma> spelter Sorry it was for you :)
[22:47] <Reset`> Guma you want to use wifi dongle?
[22:47] <spelter> Guma: hah, I've only tried my 4G dongle with distros on the Raspberry Pi 3B and 4B
[22:47] <spelter> Guma: they've worked just straight on, starting from ubuntu 18.04 => 20.04.1
[22:48] <Guma> My dongle is 4G only
[22:48] <Reset`> you mean a 4g modem
[22:50] <Maik> FreeBDSM: that doesn't look like 'shit' to me..... ;)
[22:50] <FreeBDSM> Maik: why split a set of driver-related packages of 1 version into 2 sets of different versions?
[22:50] <FreeBDSM> what's the logic here?
[22:51] <Maik> i don't know
[22:51] <FreeBDSM> that's the partial output of `sudo apt update`
[22:51] <FreeBDSM> and it makes no sense to me
[23:01] <spelter> Guma: have you tried it out with any other computer, god forbid on a Mac or Windows PC ?
[23:03] <spelter> Guma: there's usually a partition that's intended for the autorun procedure for logging in; an interesting fact btw, at least all of LTE's 4G dongles have a built-in "mini-server" in them, don't know how tweakable that is but
[23:03] <spelter> Guma: https://askubuntu.com/questions/462421/is-there-a-list-of-usb-4g-modems-that-work-as-is-in-ubuntu
[23:04] <spelter> Guma: " Raspbian treats it as eth1, and no special drivers are required." <= that's the experience I've had with mine in Ubuntu as well
[23:05] <Guma> Yes The unit works. I do not have problem with they unit itself. So here is my two points. One is I will in the end be using this module on system that might not have Modem Manager so I will have to configure it on boot manually to get  internet.
[23:06] <spelter> Guma: oh well I think you can set it to not to require a PIN once connected
[23:06] <spelter> Guma: that might be the key, now that I think of it, once it's set to autoconnect mode, it should roll straight out of the box. and yes, I've always used mine on a Raspi3B or 4B
[23:06] <Guma> the other one is that I will try to write python code to open ttyUSB1 to read GPS data. So I do not want to run my program as root. So I am testing with moserial to see if I can open that device.
[23:07] <spelter> ( in addition to laptop etc use on Windows-etc. machines )
[23:07] <Guma> I can open that device when I am root but not when I am just regular user
[23:07] <spelter> Guma: you probably need to be in a certain group as a user to access it
[23:08] <spelter> Guma: type in groups <username>
[23:09] <Guma> Well I should be  in dialout. And I am. This is how I always setup various ttUSB* devices and it works. I just did lsof /dev/ttyUSB1 and ModemManager has it open
[23:09] <Guma> and it s running as root
[23:10] <spelter> Guma: so if you're using it on an IoT device I'd think by that you mean it's gonna be on a lighter OS variation ?
[23:10] <spelter> Guma: and probably on arm64 or so ?
[23:10] <Guma> So I am in dialout group. My 'id" shows I am in it. the /dev/ttyUSB1 is cow-re----
[23:11] <Guma> Yes it will. I did not decided which one yet. That is why I want to find out how to set this modem up manually
[23:11] <spelter> Guma: you could try some workaround privileges, i.e. like what you get with wireshark ?
[23:12] <Guma> I have access not from my ubuntu machine. So SIM and everything is working using ModemManager
[23:13] <spelter> Guma: uh, so .... what seems to be the main issue
[23:13] <Guma> I was thinking that I could write small daemon and run it as root and then router program would use some IPC to communicate wit hit
[23:13] <Guma> But I prefer not to do this unless I have to
[23:14] <spelter> Guma: suid was what I was after ;  https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/what-suid-and-how-set-suid-linuxunix/
[23:14] <spelter> Guma: SUID (Set owner User ID up on execution) is a special type of file permissions given to a file. Normally in Linux/Unix when a program runs, it inherits access permissions from the logged in user. SUID is defined as giving temporary permissions to a user to run a program/file with the permissions of the file owner rather that the user who runs it. In simple words users will get file ownerâ€™s
[23:14] <spelter> permissions as well as owner UID and GID when executing a file/program/command.
[23:14] <Guma> Hmmm :)
[23:15] <spelter> Guma: look up wireshark if you haven't already, it recommends to be run as a suid install where you create a group with elevated privileges who get to do stuff in that context
[23:15] <sarnold> I haven't been paying attention to the problem being solved, but there has to be a better way to solve it than setuid bits on files
[23:15] <sarnold> setuid executables are very difficult to program correctly
[23:16] <Guma> sarnold tx for your input. What would you suggest.
[23:16] <Guma> Let m start from beginning. Lets forget ubuntu
[23:17] <spelter> Guma: :D that's a quote good enough to be the channel topic, lmao :DD
[23:17] <Guma> If I have some linux (debian based) most recent and I want to run headless (init 3) I want to enable this LTE dongle on boot and establish LTE connection and also read GPS
[23:18] <Guma> And there is no Modem Manager on it which is what makes it easy to configure on Ubuntu
[23:18] <spelter> Guma: just a quick question about the GPS side of things, does your dongle have a built-in GPS or where do you expect to get the GPS data from?
[23:18] <Guma> If I need to write some script/service where would be best to place to execute on boot
[23:19] <Guma> spelter it does have GPS on it
[23:19] <spelter> Guma: cool. can you access it oknp?
[23:19] <Guma> Reading documentation ttyUSB3 is for AT commands and ttyUSB1 is to read GPS string
[23:19] <spelter> Guma: I don't know if mine has a GPS in it
[23:20] <spelter> (never tried out that functionality either)
[23:21] <Guma> So I am experimenting on my workstation now since I prefer not to do cross compilation since this I should be able to do just fine on my worksatation
[23:21] <spelter> Guma: if you're planning on running it headless, I assume it's not going to boot into a window manager?
[23:22] <Guma> But any one here had experience with configuring such USB dongle on boot without  Network Manager?
[23:22] <Guma> spelter You are very correct. That is why I indicated init 3
[23:22] <Guma> or level 3
[23:22] <spelter> Guma: Like i've already answered to you, me. AND with Raspi 3B+4B's
[23:23] <spelter> even with those trials on wm side of ubuntu, it was still a plug-and-play thing
[23:23] <spelter> and I didn't have a network manager
[23:23] <Guma> Hmm let me boot it up on my board I will be running. Maybe like you stated it will work?
[23:24] <sarnold> Guma: you can configure network-manager to run things at boot
[23:24] <spelter> Guma: Well ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/462421/is-there-a-list-of-usb-4g-modems-that-work-as-is-in-ubuntu <= like I posted earlier
[23:24] <sarnold> Guma: you could also write systemd-networkd rules -- the netplan.io tool provides a friendlier interface to those files, if you use it
[23:25] <spelter> Guma: "Raspbian treats it as eth1, and no special drivers are required." -- and that's with Raspbian. It's worked the same way on Ubuntu on Raspberry Pi's for me
[23:25] <Guma> sarnold Will read on that. Ok let me do some poking around. Tx guys. Will be back little later
[23:26] <spelter> Guma: Godspeed!
[23:28] <spelter> and I'm trying to re-install that 20.04.1LTS desktop on amd64 now ... just flushed the ssd with 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[23:29] <spelter> (I joined here originally to point out the installer flaw that leads you to a grub rescue landmine on 20.04.1LTS ...)
[23:31] <spelter> any opinions on zfs? I know it's still marked as "experimental" in 20.04.1LTS's installer, but ...
[23:32] <spelter> I feel like it could be of good use, especially on an SSD, or are there any pitfalls with its not-so-final state? (it's still marked as an experimental feature in the installer)
[23:35] <sarnold> spelter: I did a zfs-on-root by hand on a previous release and what I did has mostly worked okay; overlayfs (or overlay? I can't recall) doesn't work 'on top' of zfs, so I've not been able to use the simple schroot build methods on my laptop
[23:38] <Reset`> manage to make it upgrade
[23:38] <spelter> sarnold: hmm, okay, thanks for the heads up. that's one drawback, but I would hope to think it doesn't affect me too much. I'm more worried about the implementation of the zfs filesystem altogether if it's in experimental phase
[23:38] <Reset`> after some hustle
[23:39] <spelter> Reset`: took so little of a time that I doubt you didn't back up those 80 gigs of pics or did you ?
[23:39] <Reset`> authenticate 'focal.tar.gz' against 'focal.tar.gz.gpg'  Authentication failed Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[23:39] <Reset`> i didnt no
[23:39] <Reset`> but its ok cause they are not on main partition
[23:40] <Reset`> i had to type this to make it upgrade
[23:40] <Reset`> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-keyring
[23:41] <sarnold> spelter: oh, that should be pretty solid; I've been using zfs for storage of a few hundred million files on 18.04; I did run into a funny problem with send / receive on that, but it's only prevented me from sending that one specific dataset from my laptop to my backup server
[23:41] <spelter> sarnold: hehe, of course it's solid, dear friend, it's from SUN MICROSYSTEMS! :)
[23:41] <spelter> sarnold: (RIP)
[23:41] <spelter> sarnold: :D
[23:41] <sarnold> *sniff*
[23:41] <spelter> no but they did some real good stuff back in the ay
[23:41] <spelter> day, even.
[23:44] <Reset`> do the files in the download and desktop , remain there after upgrade?
[23:44] <spelter> anyway; I'm installing ubuntu 20.04.1LTS on this one workstation atm just as a kind of pastime as the original system drive that was running windoze took a dump
[23:45] <spelter> Woo-hee, does it run fast in comparison to some of the winsnooze stuff
[23:45] <sarnold> woohoo :)
[23:46] <spelter> some of the same baselevel programs that I was running on that one that I also did run on Windows side on the same workstation run at times about 1/10th of the cpu load in comparison to winduhs
[23:47] <spelter> will be interesting when there's gonna be a workstation change in the upcoming weeks, to see if I could get Looking Glass working so that I could basically jump between OS's more or less seamlessly
[23:51] <spelter> Anyone here tried out Looking Glass or similar virtualization environments?
[23:57] <sarnold> spelter: oh, hah, I thought you were talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looking_Glass_server and I just sort of expected that linux was of course going to be available :)
[23:57] <sarnold> i didn't think it'd be a virtualization thingy