=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash
[14:31] <nikolam> How to put xfce panel and desktop ont he monitor I want in Xubuntu 20.10 ?
[14:31] <nikolam> Mirros displays is deselcted
[14:32] <nikolam> but panel and desktop is not on the monitor I want is to be
[14:32] <nikolam> Maybe just reboot.. :P
[14:37] <nikolam> Seems like it is aether not working like before on 20.04 or (selecting default monitor for the Xfce panel and desktop)
[14:44] <nikolam> How do you organize your work , with 2 monitors together, with virtual desktops, anyway? Do you turn off virtual desktops or..
[14:58] <nikolam> Oh I forgot about that "Primary display" switch on Display ssettings, silly me. it seems ok now.
[14:59] <nikolam> But it would be stil interestign to know how other people organize working with 2 monitors that are FullHD or more
[15:01] <nikolam> I previously with one monitor, used to put browser windows on one virtual desktop and mail on another an communication on first.. and use small monitor just for youtube with "Always on visible workspace" selected on window.
[15:01] <nikolam> Maybe I should just forget about virtual desktops or use less of them.. Ideally would be to have 2 sets of virtual desktops, one for every monitor.. I don't know if tha tis possible?
[16:05] <gnrp> nikolam: What do you mean? I used multiple displays, but never virtual displays. I nevre understood how people can get around that "feature"
[16:06] <nikolam> Virtual desktop is verz useful with one monitor. I put mail on one virtuela desktop, browser windows on another, communication on first etc
[16:06] <nikolam> virtual.
[16:09] <gnrp> ah, I guess I mixed up the terms. What was the name of these virtually bigger desktops where you then scroll on the desktop by going with the mouse to the corner?
[16:09] <gnrp> then, of course I use multiple desktops. One for browser and mail, one for ssh and another terminal, one for music, one for work or so
[16:38] <nikolam> Yeah, Xfce Term is "Workspace" therefore, workpace switcher. But general tirm is virtual desktop and it includes oversized desktop / viewport
[16:43] <gnrp> I have no clue how other OSs cannot have that implemented. It is one of the basic things to have when you use your computer for multiple things
[16:47] <nikolam> I used to have it, even on MS windows back in 1998.. but with additional apps.
[16:55] <nikolam> Desktops in general are made to be used by the bilions of people.. I guess much of them would get confused if that is enabled by default
[22:52] <xu-help32w> how to upgrade to 20.04 from 18.04? why is it not automatic? better wait?
[22:55] <gnrp> xu-help32w: The LTS upgrades wait for the first minor release so that all the big bugs have been fixed
[22:55]  * gnrp did the upgrade and had no trouble. But there are many things which could still be wrong
[22:56] <gnrp> it will be automatic soon though
[22:56] <gnrp> no, wait, should it not be already? I don't know.
[22:56] <krytarik> Yeah, it is.
[22:57] <Maik> xu-help32w: https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today
[22:58] <Maik> should be the same procedure
[22:59] <Maik> xu-help32w: before you upgrade make sure you backup any important files onto a external HDD or usb stick(s).
[23:04] <xu-help32w> that is for ubuntu, for xubuntu is it the same?
[23:06] <Maik> as i said: the procedure should be the same. Xubuntu = Ubuntu but with a different desktop (xfce) and other set of apps
[23:07] <xu-help32w> i have tryed but it didnt
[23:08] <xu-help32w> maybe i ave to wait for 20.04.1
[23:08] <xu-help32w> thank you anyway
[23:12] <krytarik> xu-help32w: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-August/000259.html
[23:14] <Maik> xu-help32w: 20.04.1 has been released months ago
[23:17] <Maik> xu-help32w: so running sudo do-release-upgrade -d doesn't work?
[23:19] <krytarik> I wouldn't use the '-d' flag anymore now though.
[23:20] <Maik>  sudo do-release-upgrade then?
[23:20] <krytarik> Yeah.
[23:21] <Maik> ok, thanks :)
[23:21] <Maik> xu-help32w: here's also the xubuntu documentation: https://docs.xubuntu.org/latest/user/C/migrating-upgrading.html#upgrading
[23:22] <krytarik> In fact, one could even drop the 'sudo', since it'll ask for the admin password when needed anyway.
[23:22] <Maik> roger
[23:40] <xu-help32w> thank you again, i am not sure but maybe i solved it bye