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 @UniversalSuperBox ["They" developers versus "Us" users always makes me uncomfortable. We're far too …], sorry dalton,  all I remembered is that someone mentioned someone was looking at it
 trying to say it in a way that didn't promise x person was going to immediately fix
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 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-14 has been released, featuring improvements to Android 9 devic …], ohh bro i watched you on YouTube?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-14 has been released, featuring improvements to Android 9 devic …], [Edit] ohh bro i watched you on YouTube
 you know bro ubport gsi available so anyone can flash it in their phone... … even my note 5 pro not support officially but for my phone already stable port available camera ril everything works ... with dual boot with Android, no pc need ,
 @Flohack bro what I have to do to support my phone officially?
 @UniversalSuperBox ["They" developers versus "Us" users always makes me uncomfortable. We're far too …], Well put, sir!
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 the halium build is not recognizing the local device tree
 how to build?
 for halium related questions I suggest you to ask directly in @halium
 does creaing libertine container really takes a very long time? … I think I'm not on its 2nd hour 😄
 @X YZ [Then I seem to have misunderstood something: In the Vollaphone group the stateme …], to clarify, you can always reflash Volla OS/UT
 https://volla.tech/filedump/spflashtools/spflashtools/MT6763_Android_scatter.txt - this is the scatter file in question, though location is temporary
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 Hi all! Iv got both nexus 7 (2013) and a nexus 4... Which device do you think does the job best?
 @DennisSwe [Hi all! Iv got both nexus 7 (2013) and a nexus 4... Which device do you think do …], They are the same
 They will do it the same
 Nexus 7 2013 is just a big nexus 4
 Alright then... Thanks! 👍
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 @Javacookies [does creaing libertine container really takes a very long time? … I think I'm not …], I think that can be an overnight job. 🤓
 @Javacookies [does creaing libertine container really takes a very long time? … I think I'm not …], No, it shouldn't take more than ~15 minutes.  IIRC, it's to do with keeping the screen active.
 ideally it can be CI job and then just downloaded...
 I hope we can get more development interest for Libertine eventually
 @Javacookies Not sure if this bug is still present:
 Fwd from TotalSonic: the gui works fine for using Libertine.  Just be aware that when installing a Libertine container for the first time using the gui there is a bug with the install - stalling it if the gui is not on screen.  So first download the "Active Screen" app from the Open Store and enable it - and then go to System Settings
[08:46] <ubptgbot> -> Libertine and choose the "+" icon on the upper right hand corner to create your container - and then allow the install to complete with the System Settings on top before closing it out.
 @imraniqbal [No, it shouldn't take more than ~15 minutes.  IIRC, it's to do with keeping the …], Sure? Might depend on download speed but I did that a while ago once and it lasted some time.
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[09:07] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @NotKit [to clarify, you can always reflash Volla OS/UT], Thanks, that is good news ... nothing much can go wrong then. 👍
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 @imraniqbal [No, it shouldn't take more than ~15 minutes.  IIRC, it's to do with keeping the …], it took like 3 hours and it wasn't the downloading. The scren did lock for a couple of times but I unlocked it immediately. Active screen seems to not working..probably something to do with qt5.12.
 Maybe there should really be an available image built by CI everyday so it'll be like OnTheRoad app which just extracts the image.
 @Javacookies [it took like 3 hours and it wasn't the downloading. The scren did lock for a cou …], That doesn't sound great.  I haven't tried creating a container for a while now, so perhaps something has changed.
 @dtarrant [<reply to media>], What's the Nexus 4 like in 2020?
 I have a Nexus 5 and I'd describe it as getting by, is the Nexus 4 any worse?
 @ImmyChan [What's the Nexus 4 like in 2020?], It works really well with ubuntu touch.
 Good to know, perhaps I'll look into getting one too ^ ^
 The only thing I mentioned so far is that the sync of CalDav is a bit slow (but I currently use 57 Calendars from my office so maybe the slow speed is caused by the over 120 appointments per day...)
 I don't tend to use a calendar so I think I'd be alright
 although I do notice my Nexus 5 can be a bit sluggish in places so idk if a Nexus 4 would be worse, although they have quite similar hardware don't they?
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 @ImmyChan [although I do notice my Nexus 5 can be a bit sluggish in places so idk if a Nexu …], Nexus 4 is a bit worse on paper so I don't think you'll get better experience … Nexus 5 is quite smooth with UT already though maybe it isn't as fast other newer phones
 It's useable for sure, but I think I'm at the point where I'd like to look into getting a Nexus 6P
 @imraniqbal [That doesn't sound great.  I haven't tried creating a container for a while now, …], yeah me too, I don't really use libertine but since my slimport seems to be working reliably lately then might as well test on things 😄
 Libertine is a bit iffy, but I'm excited for it to maybe get better
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 I think xwayland would make it a lot better and more usable. After that, I guess more improvements can be done.
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 @Javacookies [I think xwayland would make it a lot better and more usable. After that, I guess …], Maybe
 most of my hope is with libhandy though, I wonder if it can be adapted into Ubuntu Touch
 i would love to see gtkcord on ubuntu touch
 @ImmyChan [most of my hope is with libhandy though, I wonder if it can be adapted into Ubun …], it can, yes, but need never libs compiled
 @RealDanct12 [i would love to see gtkcord on ubuntu touch], That would be pretty amazing
 I believe there's a terminal Discord client, I wonder how possible that is to use 🤔
 @ImmyChan [That would be pretty amazing], yep, i don't really use telegram or matrix much except for communicate with halium and ubports team
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 @ImmyChan [I believe there's a terminal Discord client, I wonder how possible that is to us …], should be possible, UT terminal has all the keys that is being used
 I guess all that would need to happen is someone would have to compile it
 yeah, but which client though
 for python clients it's amazingly easy so nothing much
 6cord maybe, all that would need to happen is it'd need to be compiled for ARM, then you could run it in the terminal I believe
 @ImmyChan [What's the Nexus 4 like in 2020?], Mine works fine. When possible I use my Qi wireless charger to minimise wear and tear on the micro usb port which is a known vulnerability.
 Wait, the Nexus 4 has wireless charging 0.o?
 @ImmyChan [6cord maybe, all that would need to happen is it'd need to be compiled for ARM, …], should be very easy
 maybe i can make a arm64 CI that does this automatically
 [Edit] maybe i can make a arm64 CI
 in theroy
 I wonder if a developer could build a GUI around 6cord for Ubuntu Touch
 would be better to rewrite the whole thing
 then again though there probably aren't many UB Touch users who want to use Discord
 and then after that you can use it until discord API breaks the thing
 [Edit] and then after that you can use it until new discord API breaks the thing
 @ImmyChan [Wait, the Nexus 4 has wireless charging 0.o?], Yes indeed.
 damn Nexus phones really were very ahead of their time
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/a7eDWb6M.webp
 @ImmyChan [damn Nexus phones really were very ahead of their time], way ahead than other devices
 @dtarrant [<reply to media>], There is a photography group btw @ut_photography
 @RealDanct12 [way ahead than other devices], Well It is also merit of LG who built Nexus 4,5
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 @Stereofont [There is a photography group btw @ut_photography], ooooh thanks for filling me in, I do love photography, and Ubuntu Touch
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 @Boris Mihailov [Any1 has a success of making an Android (or even Libertine) version of Viber run …], viber has a linux client?
 @NotKit [ideally it can be CI job and then just downloaded...], actually this sounds interesting
 @Fuseteam [viber has a linux client?], proprietary and only x86_64
 @NotKit [proprietary and only x86_64], ah so that's not usable on ut
 @ImmyChan [then again though there probably aren't many UB Touch users who want to use Disc …], wouldn't say that :p
[13:56] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Fuseteam [viber has a linux client?], There is a desktop version.
[13:56] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @NotKit [proprietary and only x86_64], And yes
 tho i actually tried poking discord to build client for ut, but not many updates i think
 @Boris Mihailov [And yes], that means it won't work in libertine on arm devices
 unless we can poke them to make an arm version
 @Fuseteam [tho i actually tried poking discord to build client for ut, but not many updates …], Tbh it seems unlikely they will
 There are probably < 50,000 Ubuntu Touch users, sadly a small number for a big company
 sure but they are rather open, unlike their sofware. and they do already support linux i'd say lets at least keep poking them by gathering upvotes
 hefty android porting process is to blame here.. unlike desktop where just install it and go..
 [Edit] hefty android porting process is to blame here.. unlike desktop where you just install it and go..
 i mean there's an linux client already :p
 then again tis electron hmmm
 welp can't find my post 👀
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 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/T69gPJ0a.webp
[14:27] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Fuseteam [unless we can poke them to make an arm version], Or going far enough as the current situation with Apple and their compatibility layer, but that's too much resources for something that won't be used as much or is needed as much in this state
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bw9iGbXG.png
 thanks to @RealDanct12
[14:53] <samsep10l> hello people. i am not sure if i can get answer here. but do anyone know what to do with this?
[14:53] <samsep10l> halium/out/soong/host/linux-x86/bin/d8', needed by 'halium/out/soong/.intermediates/frameworks/base/packages/EasterEgg/EasterEgg/android_common/dex/EasterEgg.jar'
 @Stereofont [There is a photography group btw @ut_photography], Noted. As a matter of fact, I was the first person to post some Nexus 4 photos to the gallery: black horse; pastel drawing of english setter; etc
[14:53] <samsep10l> i looked at halium page, but it didn't give me solution
 @samsep10l [i looked at halium page, but it didn't give me solution], you need to remove all the java stuff from the build; and i think you should probably ask in #halium instead
[14:54] <samsep10l> ok
 @Danfro [Yes, I asked that too. Sadly not that easy to fix. 😉], I reinstalled Osm scout. Now it works. But thanks for helping
 @samsep10l [halium/out/soong/host/linux-x86/bin/d8', needed by 'halium/out/soong/.intermedia …], Please remove any jar project from the build tree. The halium setup script will do this automatically for you. Such error should not happen if you follow the porting guide
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 ubuntu touch when wayne?
 Hi! I booted UBports in QEMU. How can I install my program in this OS variant?
 @BIONICLElover [Hi! I booted UBports in QEMU. How can I install my program in this OS variant?], the OS is Ubuntu Touch. i think ssh should be running in it, so you need to get your public key added in it and then should be able to use `clickable run --ssh <vm_ip>` i think
 @Fuseteam [then again tis electron hmmm], Pretty much, that's the only reason Spotify, Discord and similar apps have Linux versions
 they're just web apps so there isn't really any effort involved in porting
 @dohbee [the OS is Ubuntu Touch. i think ssh should be running in it, so you need to get …], Thanks. I will try.
 now, compare Linux that has a few million users to Ubuntu Touch that only has a few thousand users, I don't think UB Touch will be a target for big developers for a long time
 although that said that does mean we don't get a lot of propritary bloated garbadge and that most of the apps in the store are community led labours of love, so in that way maybe our small user base is an advantage lol
 @Itppt1 [<reply to media>], Shell we open metalheads group? 🤘🏼
 you know what do it lol
 plz help me ubport 9 & 10 not data work not opening page internet?
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 @dohbee [the OS is Ubuntu Touch. i think ssh should be running in it, so you need to get …], Hm, I tried to connect via ssh, but doesn't work. … https://github.com/ubports/utqemu/blob/f11cc1c93fe91136274701a3a4c797cd0cea0fc2/src/utq.sh#L125 … ssh phablet@localhost -p 10022 -o "UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null" -o "StrictHostKeyChecking=
[15:44] <ubptgbot> no" … kex_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host … Connection closed by 127.0.0.1 port 10022
 @BIONICLElover [Hm, I tried to connect via ssh, but doesn't work. … https://github.com/ubports/utq …], well that won't work, the VM is not localhost
 oh but it's set up forwarding
 is terminal app installed in the image already?
[15:46] <samsep10l> @Flohack i already ran halium/devices/setup script
 @dohbee [is terminal app installed in the image already?], Nope.
 @samsep10l [@Flohack i already ran halium/devices/setup script], Then its a weird dependency. grep all occurences of that module and remove it. You dont need jar modules in UT ;)
 @dohbee [oh but it's set up forwarding], IDK what's to do. Maybe good solution for debugging my program is to buy nexus 5.
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 @dtarrant [Noted. As a matter of fact, I was the first person to post some Nexus 4 photos t …], Yes indeed. I took it as a cue to plug it 😜
 @TobiasSchimpf [I reinstalled Osm scout. Now it works. But thanks for helping], Cool. Glad it works bow. That reminds me of one step that does often help, clear cache. Should have thought of that.
 @TobiasSchimpf [I reinstalled Osm scout. Now it works. But thanks for helping], [Edit] Cool. Glad it works now. That reminds me of one step that does often help, clear cache. Should have thought of that.
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 @Kaizennn [Shell we open metalheads group? 🤘🏼], 😂
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[17:17] <leaftype2> yay, looks like I might actually be able to get music on my pinephone
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 @Boris Mihailov [Or going far enough as the current situation with Apple and their compatibility …], eh? what do you mean?
 @ImmyChan [they're just web apps so there isn't really any effort involved in porting], hmmm true
 btw speaking of which
 this exists https://github.com/samzanemesis/discountapp
[18:35] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Fuseteam [eh? what do you mean?], They have a translation layer for x86 (64 included) to arm. … Same goes for Microsoft with the Win10 as I know. It's not the best, but kinda works.
 hmm i doubt that usable on mobile devices
 such virtualization depend on the cpu
 it doesn't matter because we don't
 i'd argue if they don't double down on third party clients building a qml client and letting them take over is the closest we can get (inspect element encourages people to work for them, however that works)
 [Edit] i'd argue if they don't double down on third party clients building a ut qml client  and letting them take over is the closest we can get (inspect element encourages people to work for them, however that works)
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 I will enjoy the moment here now and leave it here for you.  I had initially made a desktop version, but I decided to bring it as a smartphone version, I hope you like it:
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/7NxGRS48.png
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/eRHxOcFT.webp
 Very nice
 @alera_on [<reply to media>], yeah 👍
 Thanks.  :)
 @Bolly [<reply to media>], whenever i see this i think of EVE from Wall-E
 @Bolly [<reply to media>], [Edit] whenever i see this I can't help but think of EVE from Wall-E
 O, I am not alone
 @alera_on [<reply to media>], Good picture. It can be used as splash on mido, santoni, vince and etc devices, which support custom splashes.
 Availability in other languages would be nice too
 @alera_on [<reply to media>], New neofetch ASCII art?
 So guys ... I make these wallpapers as a way to contribute to UBPorts and UU, so that both can download these wallpapers with a high quality and can use them on their smartphones.  I'll leave the link here for the folder I upload, if you want to check it out: … https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1YRA8eELyhKqnRcHry_RSfd1mHfAj9NTP
 @alera_on [So guys ... I make these wallpapers as a way to contribute to UBPorts and UU, so …], Nice ones :) maybe the user@ubuntu one should be phablet@ubuntu😊
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 @nanu_c [Nice ones :) maybe the user@ubuntu one should be phablet@ubuntu😊], I understand.  I made it to try to simulate a Terminal, but in a general way.
 @alera_on [So guys ... I make these wallpapers as a way to contribute to UBPorts and UU, so …], These are nice
 Good work!
 Thanks.
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Dsouza ( Kausdev)> @alera_on [So guys ... I make these wallpapers as a way to contribute to UBPorts and UU, so …], Nice !!
 no such bots in here @kira997 :)
 Oh ok 😁
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/XS28xtrj.webp
 @alera_on [So guys ... I make these wallpapers as a way to contribute to UBPorts and UU, so …], Amazing artwork! Respect 👍👍👍
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 Hi!, possible to sort music by folders?
 @flatboard [Hi!, possible to sort music by folders?], You can create playlists. Tap the icon top right then + top middle
 (Photo, 1920x1200) https://irc.ubports.com/t30sLq5e.png
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 Yes but is more faster to sort by folder :(
 @flatboard [Yes but is more faster to sort by folder :(], You could create a feature request in music apps repo on hitlab (if there is none already).
 @flatboard [Yes but is more faster to sort by folder :(], [Edit] You could create a feature request in music apps repo on gitlab (if there is none already).
 Otherwise I also have problems adding mail accounts on Dekko 2 (hotmail.com, gmail.com & free.fr). Are there plans for Ubports to integrate its own email client?
 @flatboard [Yes but is more faster to sort by folder :(], it doesn't know about folders. music is indexed in a database, and can be in many possible places on storage media
 @flatboard [Otherwise I also have problems adding mail accounts on Dekko 2 (hotmail.com, gma …], dekko is the only mail client, and there's no plans by core developers to write a different one.
 e-mail clients are by no means easy to write, though if someone else wants to have a hand at trying to write one, they are certainly welcome to try :)
 UT really doesn't lack much to take the plunge. … I really like the system in general.
 Yes, I suspect, it is true that I am not a developer.
 Dekko2 works mostly too. Not perfect, but not bad either.
 @flatboard [Yes, I suspect, it is true that I am not a developer.], It mainly needs time and the will to learn to change that. 😉
 But don't start with an email client as your first app. 😝
 Dekko is really well done, but it does not have all the standards to add other mail accounts. Even adding them manually via IMAP. On 4 account, I only succeeded when validating one.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hR3cFgFv.webp
 Also instead of complaining about an app: fix it
 If I can, it will be a pleasure ;)
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 @amyosx [Also instead of complaining about an app: fix it], nah, i just want to complain :P
 Hi everybody, how can I update my phone (bq Aquaris E4.5) to the new OTA? Thank you!
 @Alexi [Hi everybody, how can I update my phone (bq Aquaris E4.5) to the new OTA? Thank …], Go to Settings: Updates
 It is rolled out in sequence
 You may have to wait a little
 It is stuck to OTA-11
 and if I try to update, I just get app updates
 thank you for your reply, anyway
 @Alexi [and if I try to update, I just get app updates], You must update all the apps first
 When that is done, leave Updates, then return to Updates
 😁
 that seems not to work unfortunately
 I get the message "the software is updated"
 Am I doing right in the stable channel?
 @Alexi [that seems not to work unfortunately], The stable is not received to all devices at once. If you want to 'cheat' one way is install rc channel
 If I go to edge it seems to get a new update
 but I think there is something wrong going on
 Edge is not recommended at all!
 as the OTA-11 is not so recent
 No update on rc??
 @Alexi [as the OTA-11 is not so recent], It is ancient
 it seems good on RC
 Ok. Choose rc
 thank you!
 You can switch stable at the weekend if you want to. But rc is fine
 You should see a big improvement!
 Many thanks, the download is ongoing