[07:56] <xu-help17w> Good morning.
[07:59] <xu-help17w> I'm installing Xubuntu in a lot of computers (about 50) using Clonezilla tu clone the same image to every computer and in some computers the clock is not working well. There are some computers where the time is 2 hours more than real time. I checked time clock in BIOS and there is ok. Do you have some idea about what's happening?
[08:00] <xu-help17w> BTW this is happening in computers with Xubuntu 18 and 20 version
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> !time > xu-help17w
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> !time | xu-help17w
[08:44] <gnrp> xu-help17w: Btw, I know this is not really helpful... but clonezilla is nto really the preferred way of cloning a linux system. While it is good with windows since there the installation process is less transparent, with linux you have other good tools for an automated installation
[08:45] <gnrp> If you want, I can talk more about that, but if you are going to administrate these systems in the long run, it might be worth switching
[08:47] <xu-help17w> Well always is good to learn something so I'm open to listen your tips :D
[08:51] <xu-help17w> gnrp I forget tou mention you :/
[09:08] <gnrp> xu-help17w: Well, long time ago that I did this stuff myself. But there are scripts for automated installation like FAI and also debian has something integrated by now
[09:09] <gnrp> and for everything else, when you want to clone settings, you can use orchestration tools like puppet, ansible, etc.
[09:10] <gnrp> it is seven years ago that I worked with that, so other tools might be the hot stuff by now, but the principle stays the same. A byte-level clone of a linux system is not really necessary and can make trouble, e.g. with udev rules and MAC addresses
[09:35] <xu-help17w> I see, but this is just to automate process like install software etc if I understand it well, but not to clone a operating system so you have to deal with all the OS installation process for each of the computers
[09:36] <gnrp> you would usually combine this with a PXE boot or so
[09:36] <gnrp> so the computers boot up the appropriate image (could also be on a CD, or whatever), and the rest of the installation is completely automatic
[09:37] <gnrp> the setup we had back at the time was that on the server delivering the PXE images, we could set the computers to the PXE i mage, so if they boot, they automatically install a new system
[09:37] <gnrp> no interaction needed
[09:37] <xu-help17w> Ok, I will check that. But for now, I need to resolve the problem about the clock xD
[09:41] <gnrp> xu-help17w: What timezone are you in?
[09:45] <xu-help17w> UTC+1
[09:52] <gnrp> and could it be that on some computers the os assumes the time is set to utc, and in the other cases it assumes set to local time? Or rather that the bios times are set accordingly?
[09:52] <gnrp> I guess in utc+1 you just recently switched from utc+2 to utc+1?
[10:02] <xu-help17w> I didnt change anything. The clock update automaticly. I dont know if the clock assume set to local time or utc, even I dont know whats the difference. But if I change the time manually, after restart the computer the time goes wrong again.
[10:13] <gnrp> what does /etc/localtime point to?
[10:24] <dwadert> gnrp sorry I lost connection and I cant read what you said
[10:26] <gnrp> gnrp | what does /etc/localtime point to?
[10:28] <dwadert> I Dont know and the computers are switch of at the moment. I will check it later (computers are in shops and I dont have access to them right now)
[11:43] <jamesprada> I will take advantage and I will stay with windows7 and I will see
[11:47] <Maik> jamesprada: offtopic..... and windows 7 isn't supported anymore by the way
[13:33] <sorinello> Hello. Does somebody know if there is an issue with the lightdm gtk greeter in xubuntu 20.10 ? Or am I the only one having issues with it ?
[13:47] <gnrp> sorinello: What is your issue?
[13:49] <sorinello> gnrp, I think that there is some bad blood between lightdm-gtk-greeter and virtualbox
[13:50] <gnrp> sorinello: But what is the issue?
[14:13] <sorinello> gnrp, ok, I am running latest 20.10 Xubuntu instide a VM. After upgrading from 18.10, it seems that my greeter will not start. If I switch to another greeter, everything is fine. I am unable to assess if this is Virtualbox related or we have a bug in migration
[14:15] <sorinello> ** Message: 16:10:52.835: Starting lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.6 (Sep 18 2018, 01:17:10)
[14:15] <sorinello> ** Message: 16:10:52.838: [Configuration] Reading file: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d/01_ubuntu.conf
[14:15] <sorinello> ** Message: 16:10:52.838: [Configuration] Reading file: /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[14:15] <sorinello> libGL error: MESA-LOADER: failed to open swrast (search paths /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri:\$${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri)
[14:15] <sorinello> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[14:17] <xtao> hi. you're not the only one having issues
[14:18] <xtao> i've done a clean install of 20.10 on to my laptop so no upgrade cruft at all, and i find that lightdm-gtk-greeter crashes on startup 50% of the time. sometimes it works, other times it keeps throwing up errors about being out of memory (it's not) and unable to load pixmaps etc. systemd tries to restart it several times and then gives up leaving me with a black screen
[14:18] <xtao> ctrl-alt-del it and let it reboot, and it quite often then comes up and works fine and lets me login
[14:18] <xtao> didn't do this on 20.04.1
[14:19] <sorinello> xtao, hey, remember me, we discussed about this issue 2 weeks ago I think
[14:19] <xtao> yes. though that was a different issue. that was missing icons
[14:19] <xtao> i fixed the missing icon issue by doing the clean install. now the icons are working
[14:19] <xtao> but it still crashes randomly
[14:20] <sorinello> yeah ... I wonder how come we are the only 2 with this issue
[14:20] <sorinello> you're running on bare metal, I am running inside a VM
[14:20] <xtao> yes. i'd expect more people to say they have issues. especially as i see this on clean install bare metal
[14:20] <sorinello> ***MEMORY-ERROR***: lightdm-gtk-greeter[1198]: GSlice: failed to allocate 2032 bytes (alignment: 2048): Cannot allocate memory
[14:21] <sorinello> i have my VM plenty of memory, including 128M for video
[14:21] <xtao> (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1180): Pango-WARNING **: 08:52:25.710: scaled_font status is: out of memory
[14:21] <xtao> same here
[14:21] <xtao> there seems to be some serious issue with memory allocation
[14:22] <xtao> don't know what to suggest though other than finding other people who have same issue who are more in the know
[14:22] <sorinello> xtao, I had total success using another greeter instead of the default one. 0 issues with another greeter
[14:23] <xtao> i could try that. it's just odd that sometimes it works, othertimes it fails. so currently all i'm doing is rebooting it until it shows the login prompt
[14:23] <Quantos> I'm running XUbuntu 20.04 LTS x64 with XFCE4 - Everytime I start it up the DE resolution is wrong, it won't make a persistent change in settings>display
[14:24] <Quantos> Does anyone know what I should be looking at?
[14:26] <xtao> i don't personally i'm afraid. the default resolution it did on install works for me. will leave that for somebody else
[14:28] <Quantos> When it installed it had a decent resolution, didn't take up my entire second screen
[14:28] <Quantos> But when I reboot the VM the resolution is just wonkers
[14:28] <Quantos> Thanks for the reply though xtao
[14:29] <sorinello> xtao, when you get tired of this, try sudo apt-get -y install slick-greeter and remove lightdm-gtk-greeter
[14:29] <sorinello> I still don't understand how come nobody has this issue besides us :))
[14:30] <xtao> ok. thanks
[14:30] <xtao> yes. i was waiting to see if anyone else came in here asking about it. i don't know if it's just us having the issue, or if we're the only people that have upgraded to 20.10 which seems unlikely
[14:31] <sorinello> I only upgraded 2 VM's. The VMware one had the icon issue. The VirtualBox becomes unusable with the default greeter
[14:31] <Quantos> Oh, you guys must've upgraded to the Quantos variant - it's full of oddball problems  ;)
[14:31] <Quantos> Sorry, I just couldn't resist that
[14:31] <sorinello> :))
[14:32] <xtao> my icon issue went away when i did a clean install, so there must be something about the upgrade and that one
[14:36] <sorinello> xtao, check https://github.com/Xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter/issues/77
[14:36] <xtao> ooooh
[14:36] <sorinello> check last comment from bluesabre
[14:37] <sorinello> I cannot understand much from the source code, but it seems we are not the only ones
[14:37] <xtao> oh that's interesting "but eventually starts after 2-3 minutes". i don't give it that long before hitting reboot :)
[14:37] <xtao> i guess systemd doesn't give up then and continues after a while
[14:38] <sorinello> lightdm-gtk-greeter:
[14:38] <sorinello>   Installed: (none)
[14:38] <sorinello>   Candidate: 2.0.6-0ubuntu1
[14:38] <xtao> so yes. we just need an update of the lightdm-gtk-greeter package then
[14:38] <sorinello> and the fix is in 2.0.7, which is not yet available in the repositories
[14:39] <sorinello> this was happening 9 days ago, I wonder what is the process of getting the updated version
[14:43] <sorinello> xtao, https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter I am trying to see if we can download the deb file from here, but my knowledge is very limited in how ubuntu is built and how updates are sent on channels
[14:43] <sorinello> seems that this greeter is part of Xubuntu's repo, so not part of Xfce ? I am really confused here
[14:44] <xtao> i'm not expert here. i've only used ubuntu on my laptop for the last 2 months or so. before that I was using freebsd + xfce on it
[14:47] <brainwash> sorinello: it's not part of Xfce
[14:48] <brainwash> for post-release updates see
[14:48] <brainwash> !sru
[14:50] <sorinello> thanks brainwash .. the rabbit hole deepens :))
[14:52] <sorinello> brainwash, I am able to see the package in the SRU list ... hope it will make it soom on the update channels
[14:53] <xtao> excellent
[14:54] <Maik> sorinello: not sure if this is related <seb128> could someone from the SRU team consider downgrading the recent bionic systemd out of updates back to proposed? <seb128> it's bricking user systems on derivative using some of the lightdm greeter
[14:54] <Maik> from the ubuntu-release channel
[14:55] <xtao> so claiming that it's actually a systemd issue?
[14:55] <brainwash> so, it's bug 1890394
[14:56] <Maik> xtao: ask them, i have no experience with it. I just follow that channel a bit.
[14:56] <brainwash> ohh. the github issue mentions the LP report already.
[14:57] <sorinello> brainwash, please, could you translate a bit ? so the issue was fixed by bluesabre on the greeters official github repo
[14:58] <sorinello> and then, seb128 took the fix and proposed that this new version to be pushed in our update channel ?
[14:58] <sorinello> new version of the greeter
[14:58] <brainwash> right
[14:58] <brainwash> the fix was applied to 21.04 (current dev release)
[14:58] <brainwash> and soon to 20.10
[14:59] <sorinello> aaah, I see, becvause since 20.10 is already released, the need do to some sort of backport
[14:59] <sorinello> and that backport needs to be tested/validated/approved
[14:59] <brainwash> indeed
[14:59] <brainwash> the SRU wiki article explains it
[15:00] <xtao> well if there's no other issues with the newer systemd then it makes sense to just update the greeter to the fixed version and leave systemd alone
[15:00] <xtao> but glad to see it's all in progress. will just await a fix :)
[15:00] <sorinello> systemd is ... huge
[15:01] <brainwash> the updated package is available in the -proposed repository/channel
[15:01] <brainwash> for testing
[15:01] <xtao> ah-ha. so i could add that
[15:01] <brainwash> if you want to test it and confirm that it works
[15:01] <xtao> will do
[15:01] <brainwash> it just needs to be enabled via the Software & Updates GUI
[15:01] <sorinello> interesting. I did not know that there is a proposed repository. Not that I'd know how to add that :)
[15:02] <xtao> yes. now i'm googling to find out how to add it :)
[15:02] <xtao> something in sources.list. just need to find the something.....
[15:02] <brainwash> ideally, you only want to update the lightdm-gtk-greeter package from that repository
[15:02] <brainwash> and skip all the other ones which are pending there
[15:03] <sorinello> brainwash, are you talking about pre-released updates (groovy-proposed) from the software center ?
[15:04] <brainwash> uhm yeah
[15:04] <sorinello> nice
[15:04] <brainwash> that fits the description pretty well, doesn't it? :P
[15:04] <sorinello> so if I enable this channel, and  run an apt update, I guess that all the packages from this proposed repo will be offered  for upgrade, right ?
[15:04] <xtao> probably want to do it manually using apt though, i guess software centre would do it with all packages, and we don't want that
[15:05] <sorinello> but I only need to install de greeter
[15:05] <brainwash> sudo apt install lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:05] <sorinello> but how can you install only ONE package from a specific channel/source ?
[15:05] <sorinello> I see
[15:05] <brainwash> it should install version 2.0.6-0ubuntu2
[15:05] <sorinello> and after I install it, I disable the proposed channel, right ?
[15:06] <brainwash> notice the "2" at the end
[15:06] <brainwash> yes
[15:06] <brainwash> best to disable it afterwards
[15:06] <sorinello> brainwash, thanks. xtao, I await for your confirmation, since I am already using another greeter :)
[15:07] <xtao> trying it now
[15:08] <xtao> ok that installed
[15:08] <xtao> lightdm-gtk-greeter_2.0.6-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[15:08] <brainwash> good
[15:09] <xtao> ok. disabled the channel. will reboot and see what happens
[15:11] <xtao> that worked. greeter started first time
[15:11] <xtao> will see how it goes over next few days :)
[15:11] <xtao> thanks guys!
[15:11] <sorinello> xtao, donna try the fix on the VM which has the boken icons
[15:11] <sorinello> mayge they are related
[15:11] <sorinello> *broken
[15:12] <xtao> i think they could be. as with the missing icons it was also saying out of memory errors in the greeter log
[15:12] <sorinello> yeah, this is what I am thinking too
[15:13] <sorinello> rebooting the VM now
[15:18] <sorinello> xtao, icon/wallpaper issue has been fixed as well :D So it was an issue regarding the memory
[15:19] <xtao> yay
[15:38] <sorinello> thanks brainwash for all the help. I learned some new things today :)
[15:40] <brainwash> you're welcome sorinello
[15:47] <xtao> yes. thank you very much for your help there brainwash. i too have learnt some things today
[16:03] <pjstirling> hi, I seem to have enabled some kind of accessibility mode where my screen is zoomed, how do I disable that?
[16:04] <xtao> i get that if i use two finger gestures on the touchpad whilst the alt key is held down
[16:04] <pjstirling> ah, thanks, that was it
[16:04] <xtao> yes. i've done exactly that before accidently
[16:39] <Quantos> I'm having resolution issues with XFCE4 on XUbuntu 20.04
[16:39] <Quantos> When the xserver starts up I have a resolution of 1903x1000
[16:39] <Quantos> I have edited ~/.profile to include the following two lines
[16:39] <Quantos> xrandr --newmode "1360x768_60.00" 84.75 1360 1432 1568 1776 768 771 781 798 -hsync +vsync
[16:39] <Quantos> xrandr --addmode Virtual1 "1360x768_60.00"
[16:39] <Quantos> Now when the xserver starts it has the 1360x768 resolution, but after about 30 seconds it reverts to 1903x1000
[16:42] <Quantos> I'll brb, I'm just trying one more thing
[16:47] <Quantos> And no joy
[16:51] <diogenes_> Virtual1?
[16:51] <Quantos> Yes, it's a VM
[16:51] <diogenes_> eh
[16:52] <Quantos> That's how xrandr identifies the display - as Virtual1
[16:53] <diogenes_> i mean i don't consider virtual machine issues as Xubuntu issues.
[16:53] <Quantos> That's too bad for you
[16:54] <Quantos> I don't really care what you consider, not meaning to be rude, but...
[23:15] <xu-irc97w> Hello, does anyone know how to change the lock screen from xfce4-screensaver to light locker? Manjaro Xfce has this by default and I prefer it since it allows for more customisation of the lockscreen through the lightdm greeter settings
[23:46] <jamesprada> hi guys
[23:47] <jamesprada> this windows 7 runs quite nice... and my Toshiba P100 looks like Mercedes 300D