[00:00] <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> @dave1152000 [Stops at Recovery Screen in the Android log it says update failed, please reboot …], Please wipe data, system and cache from TWRP and try again
[00:04] <ubptgbot> <dave1152000> @fredldotme [Please wipe data, system and cache from TWRP and try again], Ok will give that a try tomorrow.
[00:39] <ubptgbot> <dave1152000> @fredldotme [Please wipe data, system and cache from TWRP and try again], Thanks that worked
[00:57] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @Javacookies [<reply to media>], ooh works nicely
[01:35] <ubptgbot> <Pablo> @Javacookies [<reply to media>], Spam
[01:37] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Pablo, please stop messing with people and generally being annoying. This is your last warning.
[01:37] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Oh wait, you already got a last warning.
[02:16] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @lduboeuf [So theorically we should be able to run gimp on pinephone ? https://twitter.com/ …], if you can make it work on 16.04, I guess? … theoritically, UT on pine can run apps that supports wayland but are there such apps on the repo?
[03:20] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @Javacookies [<reply to media>], awesome! needs a bit of theme work, but really cool
[03:24] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @lduboeuf [So theorically we should be able to run gimp on pinephone ? https://twitter.com/ …], once gtk is updated i think
[03:25] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> so probally not untill the next version jump in pratice i think
[03:26] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> theroy is you might be able to put everything you need gtk version and all in a click :)
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[05:16] <ubptgbot> <Paulo Ads> Hello. I need help for install Ubuntu touch in N5.
[07:13] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Paulo Ads [Hello. I need help for install Ubuntu touch in N5.], Whats the problem?
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[09:16] <parva2005> So... NixPhone is in alpha now, any python + QT + Linux developers with significant skill interested in a phone to dev apps with and get paid to report bugs at the same time? it runs 100% stable with no apps or API utilization using Enlightenment, and it's ready to start being made proper for release. still hoping you guys will decide to replace halium with this because we'll, it's better in every way and supports to some extent b
[09:18] <parva2005> free S10+ to any developer with a github portfolio that impressed me enough to give it to you. app store proceeds go 100% to the devs but we need free apps for basic purposes.
[09:19] <parva2005> it's got 0 Android in it, and can run any Linux kernel bbased platform or system, and I have a partially working Android option in the bootloader but it's buggy. it's very nice but probably 2 years away from release. working on getting full support on the latest Galaxy S models since my dev device for most stuff is S10+ which is outdated
[09:24] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> how do you handle the hardware? is there a repo people can take a look at?
[09:33] <parva2005> well ubports said no reverse engineering or it won't be considered... but what if the bulld system reworks the drivers into assembly and links them to the kernel... the dev computer isn't obligated to follow ToS lol... that part only works on Samsung Exynos 8 and 9 and all Pixel devices so far
[09:36] <parva2005> I intend for it to support every device eventually without any manual porting but UT will need some mods to get unity8 going
[09:37] <parva2005> I have put in on an S20+ and it worked okay but the API wasn't accelerated the Graphics so the phone was slow
[09:38] <parva2005> I only want to support higher end phones, and offer support for older phones
[09:39] <parva2005> it can also boot Android in multiboot bootloader from a seperate virtual device image but Android doesn't like being booted from my boot system so probably I need to modify the AOSP kernel source to handle being booted with the right sequences
[09:40] <parva2005> right now there are 50 alpha testers who are all qualified app devs for the required skill sets needed... But still using 5.4 kernel because I haven't messed with the kernel in a while
[09:40] <parva2005> it is great... I host like 20 different web services on the phone I carry with me
[09:41] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @parva2005 [it is great... I host like 20 different web services on the phone I carry with m …], What makes no sense to me but ok ^^
[09:43] <parva2005> @flohack It's purely to test stuff out and put it through the ringer. I know you were one of the few who supported me doing this and thought it was good. well hopefully in 2 years I roll it out
[09:45] <parva2005> it's basically complete but barely tested and almost 0 apps in the app market, since the apps are not based on any existing app dev environment or system. I have 50 devs testing the APIs while they develop apps, And 100% of app costs will go to developers. also it has very primitive GearVR capability that doesn't impress anyone at all
[09:46] <parva2005> I am trying to make a phone for nerds and I will be selling them at cost despite years of work. I am already losing money by giving away phones to people to test with and paying for bug reports
[09:50] <parva2005> I run Enlightenment with Wayland on 5.4 kernel with custom python interpreter and full QT and phone function APIs as well as billing APIs and cloud resources and such... I have lots of work to do but it's in alpha. give it 2 or 3 years and expect free copies along with full source when it's complete. You might even get  few free phones to mess with trying to get your platform running on it before anyone goes out and spends $1000 o
[09:53] <parva2005> I have help from 2 other people who are better coders than me but not so great at the innovation part of the dev process... I want this to be the tech junkies phone OS of choice. it even can play Open Arena at 180 FPS with bluetooth mouse and keyboard, and everything is in one monolithic partition except the boot loader and flashing utility. none of this rootfs and userdata and changing rootfs breaking updatss
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <Mister_Tails121> Hello! I wanted to ask, but no one knows what MEGA clients are on ubuntu? And then I have all the files stored there and I would like to have access to them. And I also have a question. How to make your own Webapp? Otherwise, I need to make my own web app for one site, but I don't know how
[09:56] <parva2005> Just make a bash script that scrapes the site using ncat and string handling then calls get for relevant links. there isn't a huge app selection for UT which is a huge issue. web apps suck and QML apps are in efficient and also very few people are good with QML
[09:56] <parva2005> or use python script which is easier...
[10:01] <ubptgbot> <Mister_Tails121> It turns out that I will not be able to do it myself, but I have to ask someone ..... I just need a Habitica client (Gamification of tasks). So I think how to do it if I don't know programming
[10:08] <parva2005> Now is the perfect time to learn to code
[10:08] <parva2005> unless you are an idiot you can learn to code. definitely a very useful skill. and when you get good it can make you super rich
[10:11] <ubptgbot> <Mister_Tails121> Well, here you are right (especially considering that I ... dream to write a lot of clients native to UT) .... But at the same time, the question arises .... What language is the best to learn for comfortable work with ubuntu?
[10:17] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Mister_Tails121 [Well, here you are right (especially considering that I ... dream to write a lot …], You need C++ and QML at the moment ;)
[10:18] <parva2005> Yeah that's an issue I dislike too
[10:19] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Why? Its not highly skilled C++, you dont need to use templates and such. Just basics
[10:20] <parva2005> C++ and QML in combination make it more of a learning curve for people who have never coded beford
[10:21] <parva2005> i will see if I can strip out the QT bindings from my python interpreter efficiently so you can add them instead of using c++ And QML
[10:21] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @parva2005 [C++ and QML in combination make it more of a learning curve for people who have …], I agree but thats the same for all modern frameworks with a GUI. Think about Angular (nasty HTML and CSS embedded with Typescript) or WPF (.NET plus xaml) and so on. At the end of the day, you need a decsriptive UI language combined with a stro
[10:21] <ubptgbot> ng background language to be successful and feature-rich, async etc
[10:22] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Also to split design from code, making MVVM patterns possible.
[10:22] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Same goes on Android and even on Apple
[10:22] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> iOA I mean
[10:22] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> [Edit] iOS  I mean
[10:22] <parva2005> Flohack, python with django for a front end as a webapp interface with a high level easy to learn language such as python
[10:23] <parva2005> ios is horrible
[10:23] <parva2005> I am dealing with app dev for lately
[10:24] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Hehe yes
[10:25] <parva2005> I cant stand it. reminds me of going to the dentist
[10:25] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> You can do basic stuff on UT with pyotherside. I think QML bindings for python are also possible. But Qt/QML is the UI framework we support, and a bit of KDE/Kirigami. We cannot ship tons of UI frameworks due to space considerations and conflicting dependencies
[10:25] <parva2005> my boss keeps telling me to invent stuff and I have no idea what makes her think I can but I keep surprising her
[10:25] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @Mister_Tails121 [Hello! I wanted to ask, but no one knows what MEGA clients are on ubuntu? And th …], If am not mistaken and if it's the same mega, I think someone's developing an app for mega
[10:26] <ubptgbot> <Mister_Tails121> @Javacookies [If am not mistaken and if it's the same mega, I think someone's developing an ap …], I hope so .... Otherwise, it's hard without normal file synchronization
[10:28] <parva2005> forget file hosting platforms get 2 Vps in very different locations and push to and between and pull at will
[10:28] <parva2005> MEGA is for piracy and I'm sure we can all agree that is wrong
[10:29] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @Mister_Tails121 [I hope so .... Otherwise, it's hard without normal file synchronization], I'm not really familiar with mega...is that megaupload? 😄 … anyway here's the link of the app if you want to check its development … https://github.com/Roker2/UBports_Mega
[10:30] <ubptgbot> <Mister_Tails121> @Javacookies [I'm not really familiar with mega...is that megaupload? 😄 … anyway here's the li …], Yes, exactly what you thought) … Google Drive analog … Thanks for the link)
[10:33] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I still don't get OTA-14 on my Xperia X, is that expected? is it still a gradual release?
[10:37] <ubptgbot> <libremax> Yes : Devices will randomly receive the update starting today through November 11.
[10:38] <ubptgbot> <libremax> [Edit] Yes : "Devices will randomly receive the update starting today through November 11."
[10:38] <ubptgbot> <libremax> "If you would like to receive the update immediately, turn on ADB access and issue the following command over 'adb shell': … sudo system-image-cli -v -p 0 --progress dots"
[10:46] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @libremax [Yes : "Devices will randomly receive the update starting today through November …], this was in thr blog post? … I guess I skipped that part 😅
[10:47] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> anyway, thanks … I thought we already switched to a faster deployment like in just 2 days
[10:55] <ubptgbot> <libremax> @Javacookies [this was in thr blog post? … I guess I skipped that part 😅], Yes, sure, it's not from my own
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[12:03] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> ohw the system follows a different architecture, that's going to take a lot of resources to adapt ut to, which is probably not going to happen soon.
[12:05] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> i do remember the reverse engineering discussion but iirc that was more about deassembling and studying the code
[13:24] <ubptgbot> <PauloAndrePMP> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/EZuRKkT4.png Instalation ended
[13:28] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> nice
[13:30] <ubptgbot> <Matilde rosemary> (Photo, 607x891) https://irc.ubports.com/h4y1Ayxh.png
[13:33] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/iMWF2nmT.webp
[13:51] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> time to buy a slimport adapter 😀
[14:08] <ubptgbot> <RealDanct12> (Photo, 130x163) https://irc.ubports.com/nXeq6yOP.png i like this youtube banner artwork
[14:08] <ubptgbot> <RealDanct12> shoutout to whoever made it
[14:09] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @parva2005 [I have help from 2 other people who are better coders than me but not so great a …], Well tech junky phone OS is ok, but we try to do a bit more of an everyday phone OS for everyone. So stability over performance, simplicity over features. Your grandma should be able to use Ubuntu Touch as daily
[14:09] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> So I dont think we can be much of a help with what you want
[14:13] <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Remember, kids: "Ubuntu: Linux for human beings"
[14:20] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Lol exactly
[14:36] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> i mean if that underlying driver framework is useful that could help but without source there's not much we can do with it
[14:39] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @parva2005 [well ubports said no reverse engineering or it won't be considered... but what i …], i.e. i'm not sure if this system is usable and without the source there's not much we can do yet on ut side
[15:31] <ubptgbot> <Danfro> @Mister_Tails121 [Well, here you are right (especially considering that I ... dream to write a lot …], Actually I know no c++ but get along quite well with app dev. QML is a must (almost). Javascript works with QML and some python. Rust works and go. Plenty of things to pick from. Everything with its ups and downs. Not that hard to learn.
[15:31] <ubptgbot> I did not know what qml is three years ago when I started coding for UT.
[15:53] <ubptgbot> <PauloAndrePMP> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Z8QonUHk.png
[15:55] <ubptgbot> <PauloAndrePMP> I'm don't recept SMS
[15:55] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> It's not SMS
[15:56] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> it's code in app
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[15:56] <ubptgbot> <hilledkinged> i think he means he didnt get the sms code
[15:56] <ubptgbot> <hilledkinged> that tg sends
[15:56] <ubptgbot> <PauloAndrePMP> sms code
[15:57] <ubptgbot> <PiecerEdd> usually if I'm already logged in some place else (ie. the desktop website) it just snds the code there instead of via SMS
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> yes
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <hilledkinged> yeah that too
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> that's how it works, on android there's also option to send code in sms, but it's not available in teleports :(
[15:59] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> [Edit] that's how it works, on official app there's also option to send code in sms, but it's not available in teleports :(
[16:02] <ubptgbot> <PauloAndrePMP> 👍🏼
[16:05] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @just_carlod [that's how it works, on official app there's also option to send code in sms, bu …], Its kinda security feature, only send SMS when really needed, as it could be intercepted. If you are logged in with another session the code will go there
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[17:59] <ubptgbot> <flatboard> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/zKAEOdIQ.png Update to OTA_14, Thank a lot Ubports Team !
[18:03] <ubptgbot> <calvinistmac> OTA-14 rollout is taking a bit!
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[19:01] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Live
[19:02] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> We're live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Z1_KKWL00
[19:02] <ubptgbot> <user2315> 👍👍👍
[19:09] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> oops missed the start
[19:10] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> why can't i hear anything
[19:11] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> bah youtube was muted for some reason
[19:18] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> welp can't join today
[19:31] <ubptgbot> <user2315> Qestion: When is full device encryption is planned for roll-out?
[19:32] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> full device encryption is not planned yet
[19:33] <ubptgbot> <user2315> OK.
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> if it was easy, it'd be there already :)
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <user2315> Why there is no app for video calls? Is it UT issue or apps developers?
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> i mean even if it was planned it wouldn't mean it would be easy
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <user2315> @dohbee [if it was easy, it'd be there already :)], Makes sense :)
[19:35] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @user2315 [Why there is no app for video calls? Is it UT issue or apps developers?], browser engine issue
[19:38] <ubptgbot> <user2315> @Flohack [Well its just an addition to voice calls. So basically you have a p2p video stre …], 👍👍👍
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @user2315 [👍👍👍], Wut?
[19:40] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack [Wut?], three months ago…
[19:40] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee [three months ago…], Ahh I see now. Yes this still stands ^^
[19:40] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> oh my goodness
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <user2315> I found the answer to my questions about video calls support from a few months back and thanked you with "👍" :)
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> you have to web push it @UniversalSuperBox
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[19:52] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i think we should get rid of the `OTA-N` release numbering anyway @UniversalSuperBox and switch to something like `YY.MM`
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[20:11] <comradekingu> dohbee Isn't it easier to delineate sequential numbers?
[20:12] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> yes but its easier to track dates
[20:20] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @comradekingu [dohbee Isn't it easier to delineate sequential numbers?], Turns out we have a global standard calendar, which increments :)
[20:24] <comradekingu> We have a inquiring user in chat, which argues ;) I find it easier to know how many versions have passed between two incrementing numbers, as opposed to two dates at (?) random
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> I don't see why the number of releases between two arbitrary points is relevant
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> yeah, I think after 10 it got just as hard to track
[20:31] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> like after opera switched away from the waterfall development
[20:40] <comradekingu> ubuntulog2: How is the number 10, when you make it the number 20, and add something on, easier to track?
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> See? Everyone hates every version numbering scheme
[20:41] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It's completely arbitrary, but everyone has reasons for why each one is wrong
[20:41] <comradekingu> It ascribes some information to it, and you can reasonably guess when what you are using is out of date
[20:41] <comradekingu> Seeing as they are presumably both bad, isn't switching from one or the other worse?
[20:42] <comradekingu> to the other*
[20:42] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> The best would be rolling release with no numbering scheme
[20:42] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> I know it's impossible
[20:43] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> We haven't made any decision. I just said that I had problems with the current one, and we could talk about others
[20:43] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> But then I realized that everyone hates every scheme, and therefore it probably doesn't matter that I dislike this one.
[20:44] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Ubuntu Touch is technically a rolling release @just_carlod.
[20:45] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It is also technically *not* a rolling release. The term is too loaded.
[20:48] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @comradekingu [ubuntulog2: How is the number 10, when you make it the number 20, and add someth …], dev and rc follow diffrent numbers
[20:49] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> so dev is in hundreds, and diffrent on each device
[20:49] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> maybe?
[20:49] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> The version numbers that show on the Updates page are different from the version tag that is shown in Settings->About
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> might be neat to have the version numbers be related to a date, and keep that date through the rc/stable process
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @UniversalSuperBox [We haven't made any decision. I just said that I had problems with the current o …], interesting thought, certainly something to think about and weigh options
[20:54] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> so maybe not thinking in terms of what people like, and look at what it could do for automation, or usefulness to the project
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @mateosalta [might be neat to have the version numbers be related to a date, and keep that da …], dev is the current date, rc is the week number ;)
[21:17] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @mateosalta [might be neat to have the version numbers be related to a date, and keep that da …], [Edit] dev is the current date, rc is the current week number, stable current month ;)
[21:18] <comradekingu> How about the number like it is, and the codename something to do with the date
[21:19] <comradekingu> OTA-19 World autism day
[21:19] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> because we have 3 channels each with a different update cycle
[21:20] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> dev and rc already use date as version number, dev uses the current date, rc uses the current week number
[21:21] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> date also has the benefit of when the update was released
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox [But then I realized that everyone hates every scheme, and therefore it probably …], my main issues are the inconsistency across channels, and the fact that we label stable releases as `OTA` despite all updates on all channels being over-the-air
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> (and yes, i've always had a problem with it :P)
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Fuseteam [because we have 3 channels each with a different update cycle], more than 3 :)
[21:26] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> I think the problem with changing it to a date is that it can easily be wrong when talking about it, as in "Ok so OTA 20.12 will be out and it'll feature better scrolling" "we missed the deadline so OTA 20:12 is now 21:01" and you know how people out the loop can miss out on so many update, and stuff like this.
[21:27] <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Also, don't forget people just forgetting the numbers after the dot, as they do with Ubuntu proper.
[21:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @PhoenixLandPirate [I think the problem with changing it to a date is that it can easily be wrong wh …], no. we won't change the label in that case
[21:28] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> and it's not "OTA anything" it's just "stable version 20.12" or whatever
[21:29] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> or we could just do `YY.N` where N is just the incremental release for the year. but the main point is to get consistency across all the release labeling
[21:30] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> (i also think we should rename the channels to match debian, so stable/testing/unstable/experimental)
[21:31] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> more accurate description in the name, and should reduce confusion about what to expect from them
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> Or just Ubuntu Touch 15
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> That'd work
[21:45] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> Dev is "Dev WW.YY"
[21:45] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> RC is 15.rc1 for example
[21:46] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> devel is already just a date stamp, and rc is already YYYY-wWW
[21:59] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> Ok
[22:14] <ubptgbot> <MrYacha> Hi all, I have found this js lib which is a part of ubports: promise-android-tools. … Can I ask if it's using a WebUSB thing, so I could make a website with this one. Thanks before.
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[23:14] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @dohbee [more than 3 :)], I have no idea how edge and community channels are versioned