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 @Shakendo [@UniversalSuperBox SPAM], deleted thank you
 that was fast
 welcome
 faster than i replied with kaboom yes rico kaboom
 thats cause Dalton is Awesome
[01:15] <ubptgbot> <Pete Nell> I see the ubports installer now supports pixel 3a...does that apply to the XL ?
[01:15] <ubptgbot> <Pete Nell> And hello 🤘
[01:15] <ubptgbot> <Pete Nell> (Sticker, 534x534) https://irc.ubports.com/sCvgoFq3.webp
 @Josele13 [Yes, I use it daily and very happy, all day working with it, calling customers, …], so bq phones does really have great battery? that's nice
 Indeed
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 @Pete Nell [I see the ubports installer now supports pixel 3a...does that apply to the XL ?], XL is almost identical so I am guessing yes. If not, then soon ™
 OTA14 big shit with oneplus 3 T,with OTA13 everything work fine,when I install gsdroid for the camera I run out of ringing sound and notification sound, the rest works fine, does anyone have a solution for this problem? Is that my main phone😡😡
 @NunoRocha51 [OTA14 big shit with oneplus 3 T,with OTA13 everything work fine,when I install g …], @UniversalSuperBox
 @NunoRocha51 [OTA14 big shit with oneplus 3 T,with OTA13 everything work fine,when I install g …], Important to file a bug report
 I test with rc devel edge and is all the same
 Now i have stable but i can't mke fotos
 Is the only problem i have
 @NunoRocha51 [Is the only problem i have], But ring and notification sounds?
 One problem is that very few people use OP3T, so not much testing gets done
 Now yes,but i don't have camera,in oneplus 3t you must install gsdroid,and if i install it i don't have ring notifications and phone
 @NunoRocha51 [Now yes,but i don't have camera,in oneplus 3t you must install gsdroid,and if i …], Odd. Sounds like best to advise Ratchanan of that
 ok
 file a bug on https://github.com/ubuntu-touch please, that way we can track it easier
 [Edit] file a bug on https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch please, that way we can track it easier
 Anyone tried to port UB on the iPhone SE ?
 @marc_petschke [Anyone tried to port UB on the iPhone SE ?], No
 @marc_petschke [Anyone tried to port UB on the iPhone SE ?], have fun
 run android there first
 or mainline
 He he oh my skills are to low for that. … But i just saw that we have an SE and I wanted to test UB... :-)
 @marc_petschke [Anyone tried to port UB on the iPhone SE ?], Sounds like one hell of a task, you'd have to put android on there first for Halium to work unless you wrote an iPhone abstraction layer from scratch yourself, then there's the problem of how locked down they are. Using checkm8 you have to have a computer connected to the phone at
[13:16] <ubptgbot>  every bootup to boot anything other than ios
 it's a double edged sword: If you succeed, you unleash lots of good hardware to a more healthy environment.  If you fail, you've wasted time that you could have spent on a more likely chance of success....
[13:29] <ubptgbot> Vd Hdh was added by: Vd Hdh
[13:30] <ubptgbot> <Vd Hdh> Hello i want ubuntu touch on my phone..
[13:30] <ubptgbot> <Vd Hdh> Can anyone help
[13:30] <ubptgbot> <Vd Hdh> Its lg v30
[13:30] <ubptgbot> <Vd Hdh> Model
[13:32] <ubptgbot> h.a.s.a was added by: sajjad_u
 @Vd Hdh [Can anyone help], Supported Devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[13:33] <ubptgbot> <Vd Hdh> The device ia not listed in support list
 @sajjad_u [Supported Devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/], supported devises is list there 👆
 @Vd Hdh [The device ia not listed in support list], then ubinstaller not support your devis till now. maybe you must use youtube!
[13:39] <ubptgbot> <Vd Hdh> Yes
[13:39] <ubptgbot> <Vd Hdh> Thanks
 you're welcome
 @hacker12455 [run android there first], Well about that
 Project sandcastle go brrr
 iPhone support is not relevant for us when there are tons of Android devices that can be theoretically ported
 Yeah
 @amyosx [Project sandcastle go brrr], nice demo, but doubt anyone uses that as daily device
 @NotKit [nice demo, but doubt anyone uses that as daily device], Never updated, terrible linux patches
 Doubt it will ever have a linux port beyond the demo
 @NotKit [nice demo, but doubt anyone uses that as daily device], No
 @amyosx [Project sandcastle go brrr], reboot go brrr
 there's a reason its called a sandcastle
 [Edit] there's a reason its called a sandcastle :p
 @jja2000 [Never updated, terrible linux patches], aka downstream
 @hacker12455 [aka downstream], Yep lol
 Hi, it's been a while since I used Anbox and the last time I did it was slow and unusable, is it any better now?
 @ImmyChan [Hi, it's been a while since I used Anbox and the last time I did it was slow and …], no, same so far
 aw, that's a shame :(
 @Fuseteam [there's a reason its called a sandcastle :p], Lol
 @ImmyChan [aw, that's a shame :(], An employee of UBports is about to start work on Anbox
 awesome ^ ^
 I presume that if a pathway is found, more resources could be added to the effort
 @NunoRocha51 [OTA14 big shit with oneplus 3 T,with OTA13 everything work fine,when I install g …], Please test again after shortly after this is merged … https://github.com/ubports/media-hub/pull/21
[14:31] <gitbot> ubports issue (Pull request) 21 in media-hub "Revert "Support playing remote media"" [Open]
 Thank you bot. Have a nice day 😃
 Is there a reliable application or technique to use a BTC, XMR... wallet on Ubuntu-Touch?
 uCopay - OpenStore … https://open-store.io/app/ucopay.nanuc
 @Elias [Is there a reliable application or technique to use a BTC, XMR... wallet on Ubun …], you should be able to use CLI wallets in libertine; i think mrcyjanek was also working on a native bitcoin wallet app
 i also started development on a native monero wallet, though haven't really had time to work on it
 Why not dash :(
 Tbh I mine monero then convert to dash when prices are good
 @rubencarneiro [uCopay - OpenStore … https://open-store.io/app/ucopay.nanuc], Thank you for the application
 @dohbee [you should be able to use CLI wallets in libertine; i think mrcyjanek was also w …], Okay, tell you about this tool?  … https://github.com/MrCyjaneK/bitcoinwallet-ut
 @Elias [Okay, tell you about this tool?  … https://github.com/MrCyjaneK/bitcoinwallet-ut], yeah that's the native app that was being worked on which imentioined
 @dohbee [yeah that's the native app that was being worked on which imentioined], It's a great initiative, it must have taken you a long time to develop the Wallet.
 that is not from me
 But it's a pity that UT doesn't support full operating system encryption, because anyone with the smartphone could extract the keys from the Wallet I think.
 But maybe it's possible to create encrypted containers for applications, I don't know if it's possible.
 physical access is endgame anyway. LUKS won't save you from that, as the wrapped encryption key and data being encrypted would be both be accessible to an attacker, and could be copied off for brute force attacking
[15:22] <ubptgbot> Agzamxoja was added by: Agzamxoja
 @NotKit [iPhone support is not relevant for us when there are tons of Android devices tha …], yes. i just asked because.. i have a SE nearby that i dont use :D.
 Ooooooo
 Tu
 but you're welcome to spend your time working on getting some OSK support into the recovery
 MAMA
 @Agzamxoja [MAMA], this group is about Ubuntu Touch
 R
 do i need to ban you Agzamxoja
 Ryugzusid
 @dohbee [physical access is endgame anyway. LUKS won't save you from that, as the wrapped …], If the encryption key is difficult to break, it may take hundreds of years to break the Brute Force, unless it has a quantum computer ^^
 @Elias [If the encryption key is difficult to break, it may take hundreds of years to br …], very few people are going to have a passphrase of significant difficult to break, that they have to type on a phone screen keyboard
 arguing about theoreticals isn't going to change the facts
 @dohbee [very few people are going to have a passphrase of significant difficult to break …], That's true, but for my part I have a fairly long combination of letters and symbols, I store the password in an encrypted database, but I don't need to remember the password, because I use the touch keyboard to locate the locations of the characte
[15:33] <ubptgbot> rs in the password, which are organized in a certain order. So it's rather the organization and order of the keyboard keys that allows me to enter the password without remembering it.
 In my specific case, an encryption could be very useful, and not everyone can launch a Brute Force attack. … The speed of a Brute Force attack depends a lot on the encryption algorithm used.
 @Elias [That's true, but for my part I have a fairly long combination of letters and sym …], the OSK we use in the main system can't be used in recovery. so for that to work for you, we'd need to have encryption implemented The Right Way ^TM^ which means using the hardware backed storage for the key, and file based encryption as on newer a
[15:37] <ubptgbot> ndroid devices, so it can boot to somewhat usable level where you can receive calls and system OSK can work, before you enter your passphrase
 @dohbee [the OSK we use in the main system can't be used in recovery. so for that to work …], Okay, I know it's complicated to set up full encryption.
 also, i'm not sure if pinephone even has appropriate hardware for it; since i'm pretty sure you're using that
 @dohbee [also, i'm not sure if pinephone even has appropriate hardware for it; since i'm …], Yes, I do own the pinphone, but it's not my main smartphone, I'm using the Fairphone 2 under UT right now, but I know that the PineBook Pro has the appropriate hardware for encryption. In my opinion it's only a matter of time before the encryption h
[15:46] <ubptgbot> ardware used on pinebook is also integrated on the PinePhone, but I could be wrong.
 @Elias [Yes, I do own the pinphone, but it's not my main smartphone, I'm using the Fairp …], i don't think the rockchip has a trusted execution environment like qc snapdragon and such do (which we also aren't able to use). it seems like it just has AES instructions so encryption will be fast, but afaict doesn't provide a hardware backed ke
[15:56] <ubptgbot> y storage solution
 @dohbee [i don't think the rockchip has a trusted execution environment like qc snapdrago …], I hate AES encryption  … https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nsa-can-break-some-encryption-new-snowden-leak-355942 … But I don't know if Purism is considering full Pure-OS encryption on the librem5
 @Elias [I hate AES encryption  … https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nsa-can-break-some-encryp …], i don't see what this article has to do with anything. it makes a broad claim with no specifics. AES was developed by NSA either. it is a broad standard developed through a competition held by NIST https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Encryption
[16:07] <ubptgbot> _Standard
 anyway, this group is about UT; not personal feelings about arbitrary standards
 @dohbee [anyway, this group is about UT; not personal feelings about arbitrary standards], These are not personal feelings, there are all the documents to prove it, and the encryption concerns Ubuntu-Touch operating systems. … AES encryption is backdoor by the NSA, military cryptanalysts such as "Eric Filiol" (the creator of GostCrypt softw
[16:20] <ubptgbot> are) certify that AES encryption is backdoor by the NSA. … It is via the Meltdown and Spectrum backdoor that Intel has implemented in these processors, that the AES private keys are recorded in clear text, all current Intel processors are backdoor https://akshaytechnotron.blogspot.com/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-backdoors-in.html
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 @Elias [These are not personal feelings, there are all the documents to prove it, and th …], You're going quite a bit off topic, meltdown and spectre are bugs that don't affect mobile devices for one
 @Elias [These are not personal feelings, there are all the documents to prove it, and th …], [Edit] You're going quite a bit off topic, meltdown and spectre are bugs that don't affect mobile devices for one and are mitigated on the linux desktop for two
 @Elias [These are not personal feelings, there are all the documents to prove it, and th …], [Edit] You're going quite a bit off topic, meltdown and spectre are bugs that don't affect any of the current ubuntu touch devices for one and are mitigated on the linux desktop for two
 yes, please don't spread conspiracy theories.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9KZsYgjV.mp4
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 @dohbee [also, i'm not sure if pinephone even has appropriate hardware for it; since i'm …], I have a boot password set in PMos on my pinephone. I'm not confident to say how encrypted the drive is, but an OSK and password entry at boot level could maybe be gleaned off of that?
 @YougoChats [I have a boot password set in PMos on my pinephone. I'm not confident to say how …], the thing is, recovery can only be so complicated. any OSK at that point is going to be quite minimal, thus also limiting password complexity, along with the fact that people will use relatively short passwords or pin anyway, because typing on
[18:20] <ubptgbot>  a phone is a pain, and nobody wants to lose all of their data due to a couple of silly mistakes using a touch screen
 the OSK issue is but one tiny bit of the whole set of problems with getting a proper encryption scheme working, with a secure and audited boot process
[18:22] <ubptgbot> <Pete Nell> @Stereofont [XL is almost identical so I am guessing yes. If not, then soon ™], Thank you Sirrrr..
 @dohbee [the OSK issue is but one tiny bit of the whole set of problems with getting a pr …], I see. So what PMos does is nice but kind of not good enough?
 @YougoChats [I see. So what PMos does is nice but kind of not good enough?], right. and i'm pretty sure it's just doing the standard LUKS encryption, where you have a wrapped passphrase that's kept on the same storage device that's being encrypted. and afaik, there's no way to lock bootloader and such on pinephone
 So the moment someone gets close enough to go and try a password, they might aswell go ahead and crack it
 physical access is basically endgame anyway. you can probe a PCB with oscilloscope/logic analyzer/etc… to enhance the probability of breaking passwords or encryption
 and if your threat model is "big bad govt come to get me" with the opinion that anything they or a certain few large corporations have funded or contributed to, is full of backdoors, then you probably should not be using computers anyway
[18:39] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> (Photo, 448x274) https://irc.ubports.com/ktcLdtRS.png 😉
 I guess good enough use case is to keep data inaccessible for the case the device is lost/stolen
 here just PIN-based encryption should suffice
 @dohbee [right. and i'm pretty sure it's just doing the standard LUKS encryption, where y …], well you do have secure boot
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/GtDM4CL0.webp
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 @dohbee [right. and i'm pretty sure it's just doing the standard LUKS encryption, where y …], Well theoretically you can burn e-fuses to be able to lock the bootloader, but nobody did that so far that I know...
 Why would u
 @Elias [Yes, I do own the pinphone, but it's not my main smartphone, I'm using the Fairp …], Sidenote: how viable would you say the pinephone is as a daily driver? I'm very interested in them and am just curious as to how well they work...
 @amyosx [Why would u], security
 yeah but that would be pretty pointless
 unless you really needed to keep something secure
 @pistolpete3058 [Sidenote: how viable would you say the pinephone is as a daily driver? I'm very …], hardware wise it's solid enough. performance is about mid range.  … software wise it's not ready. (none of the os'es for it are imo. and UT is ahead of the bunch) things like calling and messaging aren't finished, rear camera turns on b
[20:14] <ubptgbot> ut barely, battery optimization craves attention … not dissing the hard work being done at all. it's just not ready. getting there though....
 @YougoChats [hardware wise it's solid enough. performance is about mid range.  … software wise …], Nice. So I suppose the software is basically in the Alpha phase for testing?
 sounds about right.
 i do believe great progress is pending some hurdles like Qt upgrades (?) after which it can all come together
 Sweet! Thanks for the info
 it's about doing things the proper and hard way so UT as a whole across the board can benefit
 @Fuseteam [You're going quite a bit off topic, meltdown and spectre are bugs that don't aff …], It's not exact : https://forums.ubports.com/topic/866/security-meldown-spectre-and-ubports-smartphones-tablets?_=1604953287680
[20:33] <ubptgbot> Fabio was added by: Fabio
 Uhhh none of those links actually confirm those socs are affected aside from a big headline 🤔
 And convo belongs in Overflow, not here…
 https://t.me/UBportsOF
 true that!
[21:13] <ubptgbot> GuateEdicion was added by: GuateEdicion
 @GuateEdicion [GuateEdicion was added by: Stereofont], https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
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 Fwd from Flohack: New TELEports out now ^^
 👍
 @Flohack [New TELEports out now ^^], WOOO
 (Photo, 526x710) https://irc.ubports.com/RSXFikuD.png
 @pistolpete3058 [Sidenote: how viable would you say the pinephone is as a daily driver? I'm very …], The pinephone still has bugs in its operation, the battery is lower than the competition, but there are improvements that are made every day on the pinephone, it is still usable even if it has not yet reached its stable version, but for my p
[23:54] <ubptgbot> art, I decided to put it in the closet and use the Fairphone 2, waiting for the pinephone to come out in a stable version, because the librem5 has already reached its stable version.
 @Fuseteam [You're going quite a bit off topic, meltdown and spectre are bugs that don't aff …], It's totally wrong what you say, and I can't hear something like that without reacting. … First of all, we're not getting away from the subject we're talking about smartphone security, especially under Ubuntu Touch.  … Second, a very small resear
[23:55] <ubptgbot> ch will allow you to discover that almost all IOS and Android smartphones are affected by the Meltdown and Spectrum vulnerabilities.  … https://www.csoonline.com/article/3245796/meltdown-and-spectre-affect-the-smartphone-in-your-pocket-should-you-be-worried.html … I'm curious to know how you managed to miss it. … Thirdly, ARM processors are also af
[23:55] <ubptgbot> fected by the Meltdown and Spectrum backdoors, a non-exhaustive list of affected processors has been provided by ARM https://developer.arm.com/support/arm-security-updates/speculative-processor-vulnerability.  … The pinphone has a Quad-Core ARM Cortex-A53 processor (the same as the Librem5 one), luckily it is not vulnerable to the flaw, but the "So
[23:55] <ubptgbot> ny Xperia X" smartphone which is compatible with Ubuntu Touch, uses the "Cortex-A72" processor, and it is totally vulnerable to Meltdown and Spectrum attacks even if it uses Ubuntu Touch. … Fourth, the flaw has absolutely nothing to do with operating systems, it's a hardware flaw burned on the processors, you can update your operating system but it
[23:55] <ubptgbot>  won't change anything, even the most secure Linux distribution "Qubes-OS" is fallible against Meltdown and Spectrum attacks. … I work in cyber security so I know what I'm talking about. Thank you
 @dohbee [yes, please don't spread conspiracy theories.], And maybe the StuxNet malware that infected all Windows computers worldwide with three 0-day vulnerabilities, and nearly blew up the uranium enrichment centrifuges, is also a conspiracy theory.