[00:23] <ubptgbot> <Jazzing_fabulously> (Photo, 994x860) https://irc.ubports.com/vwAxCyT8.png
[00:28] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> I bet 110% that that is a scam.
[00:31] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @elsandosgrande [I bet 110% that that is a scam.], Apologies, it's been deleted
[00:31] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> Aaaand the scam is gone.
[00:32] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> @UniversalSuperBox [Apologies, it's been deleted], No worries. If there was any doubt, comparing the HTTPS certificates is definitive proof. Oh, and the scam website uses the old Medium logo, which is another red flag.
[00:33] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Spam is very common on Telegram, and there aren't many formats it follows. Just let us know and move on
[00:37] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> I've been on it long enough to have three whole scams target me privately (direct messages). Surprisingly, there is actually more scam here than on Discord.
[00:38] <ubptgbot> <ilikeyacutgAAAAA> seen no scam
[00:39] <ubptgbot> <ilikeyacutgAAAAA> only in big open source project channels
[00:39] <ubptgbot> <ilikeyacutgAAAAA> thats it
[00:43] <ubptgbot> <calvinistmac> Just report the spam to the admins, then ignore it and move on. Telegram is full of this junk.
[00:49] <ubptgbot> <PiecerEdd> hey everyone, ive been testing an unofficial halium-based port of ubports for the cosmo communicator... i hit upon a strange thing, im not sure if its specific to this build or if its something i could fix myself with some  creative pactl commands or something... at first we thought sound wasn't working at all, however if i connect a bl
[00:49] <ubptgbot> uetooth headset, play music through it (which works) THEN disconnect the headset, i then get sound via the speakers, or 3.5mm headphone jack without issue... upon rebooting, no sound again till i do the bluetooth dance
[01:07] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> [Edit] I've been on it long enough to have three whole scams target me privately (direct messages). Surprisingly, there are actually more scams here than on Discord.
[01:24] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Is there a way to create a "container" with web apps? For example a google container in which several apps would share my credentials there instead of logging in separately?
[02:31] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> sure just make a webpage that has links to all those, then put that in a webapp
[04:50] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @Boris Mihailov [Is there a way to create a "container" with web apps? For example a google conta …], you could make a webapp with links to the various sites you want contained like that, you'll also have to white list url you want to visit in that webapp
[04:52] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> here's an example: https://gitlab.com/Fusekai/chrome-remote-desktop … google site should be visitable in thid webapp
[05:52] <ubptgbot> SVSS was added by: SVSS
[05:53] <ubptgbot> <SVSS> ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?
[06:19] <ubptgbot> <ianand007> Can Ubuntu touch be ported for Redmi 5a
[06:22] <ubptgbot> <SVSS> i have read it is possible in redmi note 7, 5, 4 etc
[07:44] <ubptgbot> <mioscape> Any update for Redmi Note 4X (mido)?
[07:54] <ubptgbot> <smiley_BOT_1> Best channel for daily use stable or dev  … Redmi 4x (santoni) stable channel is working??
[08:54] <ubptgbot> <Nagendra> @smiley_BOT_1 [Best channel for daily use stable or dev  … Redmi 4x (santoni) stable channel is …], I am using Dev and it runs pretty well . I am not sure if stable is fixed now ,it was broken previously
[08:57] <ubptgbot> <smiley_BOT_1> @Nagendra [I am using Dev and it runs pretty well . I am not sure if stable is fixed now ,i …], Oh okey
[09:14] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> @SVSS [ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?], is it shipped with android 9? if so we cannot port halium to it and without halium we cannot install ubuntu touch
[09:15] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> @SVSS [ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?], [Edit] is it shipped with android 19? if so we cannot port halium to it and without halium we cannot install ubuntu touch
[09:15] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> @SVSS [ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?], [Edit] is it shipped with android 10? if so we cannot port halium to it and without halium we cannot install ubuntu touch
[09:16] <ubptgbot> <taiebot taiebot> Flas the cool radio app does not work anymore sits on loading the radio forever
[09:18] <ubptgbot> <SVSS> It is Android 10 qpia
[09:20] <ubptgbot> evans HERMANN was added by: evans HERMANN
[09:22] <ubptgbot> <ianand007> Any hope for riva
[09:28] <ubptgbot> <SVSS> @dtarrant [<reply to media>], Tell me is it possible to install touch as stand alone or multi os in redmi note 9.
[10:07] <ubptgbot> <ImmyChan> Does anyone else not have the new OTA-14?
[10:09] <ubptgbot> <ImmyChan> I kinda figured I'd have it by now since it's released between last week and now according to the blog
[10:10] <ubptgbot> <Danfro> @taiebot taiebot [Flas the cool radio app does not work anymore sits on loading the radio forever], @cibersheep
[10:10] <ubptgbot> <Danfro> Could you please check the log e.g. with Logviewer app? That might help Joan to fix it.
[10:15] <ubptgbot> <dtarrant> @SVSS [Tell me is it possible to install touch as stand alone or multi os in redmi note …], Sorry, I've no idea.
[10:18] <ubptgbot> <cibersheep> @Danfro [Could you please check the log e.g. with Logviewer app? That might help Joan to …], Thanks. There's an issue open now 😟
[10:18] <ubptgbot> <cibersheep> @taiebot taiebot [Flas the cool radio app does not work anymore sits on loading the radio forever], Apparently the api is closed or changed. I need time to investigate. Since when is happening?
[10:18] <ubptgbot> <Danfro> 👍
[10:21] <ubptgbot> Emmy SINXXXX was added by: Emmy SINXXXX
[10:23] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> Hi, guys
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> I tried using the ubports installer to change the OS on my VivoY15t but it didn't read the phone
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> @Emmy SINXXXX [I tried using the ubports installer to change the OS on my VivoY15t but it didn' …], is your device supported?
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> http://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[10:30] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> @just_carlod [is your device supported?], I didn't see the VIVO brand
[10:31] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> @Emmy SINXXXX [I didn't see the VIVO brand], Then no
[10:31] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> And it must be ur model always btw
[10:31] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> @amyosx [And it must be ur model always btw], I dont understand
[10:33] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> @Emmy SINXXXX [I dont understand], U can't flash for example a pixel 1 with pixel 3a
[10:33] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> Even though they are both pixels
[10:33] <ubptgbot> <Emmy SINXXXX> (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/cQo4HjDW.png
[10:34] <ubptgbot> <NotKit> Emmy sorry, it needs to be ported for each particular device
[10:34] <ubptgbot> <NotKit> there are no ports to Vivo devices, they don't release kernel source code in general
[11:05] <ubptgbot> rajaguha was added by: rajaguha
[11:17] <ubptgbot> Moozeecka was added by: Moozeecka
[11:21] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @SVSS [ubuntu touch for redmi note 9 available?], Please don't cross post
[11:22] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @ImmyChan [I kinda figured I'd have it by now since it's released between last week and now …], You could switch to rc. Head back to stable later, if you prefer
[11:24] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Emmy SINXXXX [I dont understand], I removed your personally identifying data 🙄
[12:23] <ubptgbot> <RealDanct12> (Photo, 381x418) https://irc.ubports.com/e2g0eIAE.png i like this guy, who made it?
[12:27] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], yeah, yumi rtx on looks amazing :)
[13:22] <ubptgbot> dubois lassen was added by: dubois lassen
[13:28] <ubptgbot> Craig Stroop was added by: Craig Stroop
[13:32] <ubptgbot> <Kaizennn> @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], Me
[13:34] <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> good job 👍
[13:36] <ubptgbot> <Kaizennn> Thanks ;)
[13:52] <ubptgbot> <taiebot taiebot> @cibersheep [Apparently the api is closed or changed. I need time to investigate. Since when …], Well I have noticed on Saturday. I use a kodi ad don which displayed the same problem saturday but it works fine now
[14:06] <ubptgbot> <cibersheep> @taiebot taiebot [Well I have noticed on Saturday. I use a kodi ad don which displayed the same pr …], Flas uses the same api as Kodi... Thanks
[14:14] <ubptgbot> <Jimmy_T> Hi, my FP2 has not updated to OTA14 at this point, no issue with updates in the past.  Is it best to wait another day or to force the update with the ADB shell command?
[14:23] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Jimmy_T [Hi, my FP2 has not updated to OTA14 at this point, no issue with updates in the …], what channel are you on?
[14:25] <ubptgbot> <Jimmy_T> @dohbee [what channel are you on?], stable
[14:25] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Ah yes. I broke the phaser again.
[14:25] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> every time
[14:26] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> ah
[14:30] <ubptgbot> <Danfro> I like reliability. Gives you a lot of practice. 😜
[14:44] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @UniversalSuperBox [Ah yes. I broke the phaser again.], so we'll never get the update? 😝
[15:32] <ubptgbot> <Jimmy_T> \o/ updated to OTA-14 thanks for your help.
[15:45] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> so there's no reported case where OTA-14 breaks the system right? … if my phone breaks, I'll go crazy … my broken PC and other phone is enough 😂
[16:05] <ubptgbot> Dubak was added by: Dubak
[16:07] <ubptgbot> <libremax> I am also in a breaking period.
[16:17] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> Does Ubuntu Touch have a a native bridge for running AMD snaps on itself?
[16:17] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no
[16:18] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> not that i know what you're actually asking, but no, snaps are not supported
[16:19] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> @dohbee [no], I only ask because I saw this on Snapcrafts Store... … https://snapcraft.io/g-assist … I was hoping I could install it on Ubuntu Touch but its only available as AMD/x86-64 architecture.
[16:19] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> (Photo, 576x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/L9cB0wTw.png
[16:19] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> (Photo, 576x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ZTUvAQ50.png
[16:19] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, so it won't run on ARM devices anyway
[16:19] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> you don't need to post screenshots
[16:19] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> and it's going to be a long time before snaps are supported at all
[16:20] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> @dohbee [and it's going to be a long time before snaps are supported at all], Why's that?
[16:20] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> because it is a lot of work for very marginal benefit
[16:20] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> @dohbee [and it's going to be a long time before snaps are supported at all], Does that mean Anbox for Ubuntu Touch is built from .deb or from source code and not its official Snap?
[16:20] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> things packaged as snaps are generally not designed for phones/tablets anyway
[16:20] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @OVSCADMIN [Does that mean Anbox for Ubuntu Touch is built from .deb or from source code and …], yes, it is built from a fork
[16:21] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> @dohbee [yes, it is built from a fork], How many forks does Anbox have currently? Does each fork upstream their changes to the main repo/build?
[16:21] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't know, that is not something we track nor care to track
[16:23] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> Couldn't the native arm bridge for Anbox be ported to Snapcraft and be used to run AMD/x86-64 Snaps on ARM Linux Distros?
[16:24] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no
[16:24] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't know what you are talking about
[16:24] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> anbox isn't an amd64 app running on arm
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @OVSCADMIN [How many forks does Anbox have currently? Does each fork upstream their changes …], I dont think any upstreaming is happening. The project is not well maintained atm
[16:53] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> @Flohack [I dont think any upstreaming is happening. The project is not well maintained at …], Yes I'm aware of this. Anbox on Snapcraft and on its own official site is still being built with Android 7.1.2 we are almost at 11....
[17:00] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> the android image version has little to do with the maintenance and development of anbox itself
[17:04] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> @dohbee [the android image version has little to do with the maintenance and development …], So the newer the Android image to more or the lest work is needed for maintenance and development?
[17:05] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> migrating to newer android is a huge pain because google breaks compatibility with every new android release
[17:05] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> there are plenty of other things in anbox itself that need worked on to make things better, without even touching the android image
[17:10] <ubptgbot> <OVSCADMIN> @dohbee [migrating to newer android is a huge pain because google breaks compatibility wi …], I thought anbox uses the AOSP unless they get their android images directly from Google?
[17:11] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @OVSCADMIN [I thought anbox uses the AOSP unless they get their android images directly from …], yes, but it doesn't matter
[17:11] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> the anbox image is built for anbox based on AOSP
[17:11] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> but anbox itself has its own issues outside of what image is being used
[17:23] <ubptgbot> <rajaguha> Hi, just installed latest(87) Ubuntu Touch on a Pine Phone.  Is the dock usable? Thanks.
[17:24] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> No, the kernel needs to be updated before it works
[17:25] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Also for anything Ubuntu on Pine-specific there's a dedicated chat for it! … https://t.me/utonpine
[17:26] <ubptgbot> <rajaguha> OK thx
[17:31] <ubptgbot> <rajaguha> Are there instructions for updating kernel? Do I need to build it myself?
[17:32] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no, it's being worked on. it's not as simple as just taking a newer kernel version and building it unfortunately
[17:33] <ubptgbot> <rajaguha> Ok, just have to wait. Thx.
[17:33] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> The last update I've read is that it seems like its mostly there, but there are still some issues with sound, modem and wake up callws
[17:33] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> [Edit] The last update I've read is that it seems like its mostly there, but there are still some issues with sound, modem and wake up calls
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <rajaguha> Please point me to relevant pages. Thx
[17:41] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @rajaguha [Please point me to relevant pages. Thx], https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/commit/8d7f16903bd3aaab60759ad0bcab4b380fddf0e8
[19:16] <ubptgbot> serinkok was added by: serinkok
[19:27] <ubptgbot> <taiebot taiebot> @cibersheep [Flas uses the same api as Kodi... Thanks], Did you remove your app from the openstore?
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/JZVX3kjm.png
[19:56] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> @just_carlod [yeah, yumi rtx on looks amazing :)], Lol
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> What's the and equivalent cause we use Linux here
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> [Edit] What's the amd equivalent cause we use Linux here
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> raytracing isn't something nvidia created :P
[20:00] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> @dohbee [raytracing isn't something nvidia created :P], Lol
[20:01] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Will the Pro-1X phone receive more of a guarantee to get a 20.04 upgrade than other Android based phones? Over the fullness of time I'm quite tempted by it.
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i would say there's no guarantee for any device yet, but the goal is to continue supporting as many devices as possible
[20:04] <ubptgbot> electimon was added by: electimon
[20:04] <ubptgbot> <electimon> o/
[20:04] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> ?
[20:04] <ubptgbot> <electimon> hi
[20:04] <ubptgbot> <electimon> its a wave
[20:04] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> Hewwo
[20:05] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Welcome
[20:05] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> That's fair.
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @TartanSpartan [That's fair.], Like Volla, they have some proprietary access. There may be some things that will benefit?
[20:11] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @TartanSpartan [Will the Pro-1X phone receive more of a guarantee to get a 20.04 upgrade than ot …], Why you think we would treat it special?
[20:27] <ubptgbot> Harald was added by: Harald
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> No assumption, but it would be nice as an especially convergent device.
[20:32] <ubptgbot> <cibersheep> @taiebot taiebot [Did you remove your app from the openstore?], I idid as it doesn't load any station. Do you need something?
[20:38] <ubptgbot> Fourd696468756e was added by: Fourd696468756e
[20:53] <ubptgbot> <libremax> @Flohack [Why you think we would treat it special?], Better not to be treated specially ;)
[20:56] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @TartanSpartan [No assumption, but it would be nice as an especially convergent device.], Yes, but since its entirely developed by fxtec so far, we could imagine they want to have the honor of doing so ;)
[20:56] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Also, remember what they said, its an Indiegogo campaign, its totally unclear if it will ever be sold regularly
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> isn't using the same image as the pro1?
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Idk honestly
[21:00] <ubptgbot> Sergei was added by: Sergei
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <libremax> @Flohack [Also, remember what they said, its an Indiegogo campaign, its totally unclear if …], FAQ : " Will the Pro1-X be available after the campaign? … We are currently intend to have the Pro1-X available only during the campaign as part of a limited run."
[21:16] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Well that's a shame, but let's see if "currently" changes. I can't afford it right now,and my new(er) Meizu Pro 5 is still quite functional, but it seems their USB C ports are a bit vulnerable. I need to wedge this one to have it charge, too. But it hasn't taken any kind of liquid damage so hopefully it should last a lot longer than
[21:16] <ubptgbot>  my last one.
[21:47] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @libremax [FAQ : " Will the Pro1-X be available after the campaign? … We are currently intend …], Well thats concerning.
[21:50] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @Flohack [Why you think we would treat it special?], I think the worry would be compatibility, wouldn't some older androids be stuck on 16.04 due to outdated kernels for example?
[21:55] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @PhoenixLandPirate [I think the worry would be compatibility, wouldn't some older androids be stuck …], the only way anything will be "stuck" on 16.04, is if we have to drop support. we won't keep updating those devices at that point
[22:22] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> Speaking of which, does Ubuntu Touch use the same kernel versions as Android, or are newer versions available?
[22:23] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> devices based on android must use the same kernel version that the device shipped with, because of the proprietary drivers
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> 🤔 Could the drivers be transferred to a newer version of the kernel? I doubt that all proprietary drivers are pinned to the exact kernel version as opposed to the approximate kernel version (multiple point releases as opposed to a specific one).
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> they are built against a specific kernel ABI
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> Don't point releases retain that ABI?
[22:28] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> [Edit] Don't point releases generally retain the ABI?
[22:28] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> 3.10 is still 3.10
[22:29] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't know what you'd expect to gain from "point releases" of 3.10; but sure patches from point releases can theoretically be included
[22:29] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> but you can't move from 3.4 or 3.10 or 4.4 to 5.9
[22:29] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> 3.11 isn't a point release of 3?
[22:29] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no you can't upgrade to 3.11
[22:30] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no the ABI is not retained from 3.4 to 3.10 or 3.10 to 3.11
[22:30] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> All right.
[22:31] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> _I wonder if anybody has ever tried to reverse-engineer proprietary phone drivers_
[22:31] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> [Edit] I wonder if anybody has ever tried to reverse-engineer proprietary phone drivers
[22:32] <ubptgbot> <elsandosgrande> Probably not
[22:32] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes they have. no we aren't doing that. our goal isn't to convert android based devices to run on mainstream kernel
[22:58] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @dohbee [devices based on android must use the same kernel version that the device shippe …], For my understanding (and sorry for being a little slow to understand, maybe): the newest kernel possible for a phone is determined by the last / final firmware update available, i.e.the kernel available then? Meaning that some older phones could no
[22:58] <ubptgbot> t be supported with the newer kernels in ut 20.04 due to older firmware? 📱😪
[23:00] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @dohbee [yes they have. no we aren't doing that. our goal isn't to convert android based …], That would be Pinephone and Librem?
[23:02] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> No they are linux phones by default, he's on about other phones that are getting mainline linux through a community effeort
[23:05] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PhoenixLandPirate [No they are linux phones by default, he's on about other phones that are getting …], Which ones would that be? Sounds interesting ... and like lots of hard work.
[23:06] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> The honest answer with something like this, is "It depends" if a phone has a to old kernel that it has to be dropped because it cant be supported, but a community memeber was able to compile a newer kernel for that device, then I'm sure that'd be more than welcome in the Ubports updater. … As Rodney says, ubports aren't making t
[23:06] <ubptgbot> he effort to make new kernels work on old devices, that's way to much work, it's much easier to drop devices and move onto new ones, or backport features to older kernels, then to make a kernel for older phones.
[23:07] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @X YZ [Which ones would that be? Sounds interesting ... and like lots of hard work.], https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices
[23:10] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Is the torch in the indicator menu the cause for camera app to fail launch? Can't remember if already asked this...
[23:10] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> On Xperia X
[23:11] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PhoenixLandPirate [https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices], Ah, right, pmOS ... had connected that to Pine only and forgotten about the rest. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. 👍
[23:12] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @X YZ [Ah, right, pmOS ... had connected that to Pine only and forgotten about the rest …], Considering pmOS was made for devices that are *ahem* Post Market, it is weird that its on a device that you have to pre-order to get!
[23:17] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @X YZ [For my understanding (and sorry for being a little slow to understand, maybe): t …], theoretically yes, but manufacturers don't tend to do the work to update to newer kernels, and often can't get rebuilt drivers from SoC manufacturers
[23:19] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Boris Mihailov [Is the torch in the indicator menu the cause for camera app to fail launch? Can' …], Questions like this often get buried in this group. Usually it is better to ask in the forum or file a bug
[23:20] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Stereofont [Questions like this often get buried in this group. Usually it is better to ask …], Got it
[23:24] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PhoenixLandPirate [https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices], Their list of devices in "testing" looks like an overview of every phone ever. Hope they succeed with at least some.
[23:27] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @X YZ [For my understanding (and sorry for being a little slow to understand, maybe): t …], In practice its the Android version that governs the kernel. The one the device came with. So latest firmware will contain a newer Android but still with the old kernel ;)
[23:30] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Flohack [In practice its the Android version that governs the kernel. The one the device …], But that's a bit different with the Xperia X, cause it came with 3.10 and got up to 4.9, or something..?
[23:35] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [In practice its the Android version that governs the kernel. The one the device …], So the kernel remains stuck at whatever the phone initially came with, firmware at the last one before the manufacturer lost interest, and ut tries to go on that as far as possible within reasonable limits?
[23:36] <ubptgbot> <PiecerEdd> or sometimes beyond (see: Nexus 4) 😆