 @dohbee [sudo ubports-qa install media-hub 22 iirc], No its `sudo ubports-qa install xenial_-_remotemedia`
[01:55] <topoi> Heyho. What is the prefered way to drop in (semipersistent) startup scripts? Is it feasable to write a systemd script? Is it feasable to drop it in /usr/lib/systemd/user ?
 What are you trying to do with your startup script?
 To answer your second question, no, we don't use systemd for system or user sessions on Ubuntu Touch. We use Upstart, but your changes to the root filesystem (like to drop files in `/usr/share/upstart/sessions/`) will be overwritten
 So hopefully we could help you find another way to do what you want so you won't have to take that option
 (Thats @topoi)
 @Fuseteam [no not exactly, but i'll post the question to you too: what 'freedom' do you exp …], Just as I said.. Its more like the ideological differences b/w a desktop and a mobile operating system.. since true gnu/linux in  mobile is new to the market some people did expect it to be a mobile pc. But I get it, its more like "we are not gonna
[03:20] <ubptgbot>  depend on google for our software" rather than "a pocket pc"
[03:34] <topoi> Nice, that really helped ubptgbot!! Are you running GPT-3? =3
[03:34] <topoi> Ehhm.. I meant UnivrslSuprBox. =)
 @Stereofont [Okay, thanks. Something like that was reported with 3T], I tested it this evening and the camera doesn't affect the ringtone.
 Are there any alternative app stores yet?
 I tried installing snapd and haven't been successful yet
 Also, does just any HDMI+USBC cable work for display as a full Ubuntu desktop? Or should I be looking for a specific cable
 @ttdemartini [Are there any alternative app stores yet?], alternative to what? it's not like there's people creating alternate app stores because the main one is full of trackers or whatnot like google/apple stores. and legacy apps aren't designed for phones. so what exactly do you want?
 @ttdemartini [I tried installing snapd and haven't been successful yet], no, snaps will not work on UT
 @ttdemartini [Also, does just any HDMI+USBC cable work for display as a full Ubuntu desktop? O …], no, it depends on your device if it will work at all and what cable would be needed to do so
 @Ozu [Just as I said.. Its more like the ideological differences b/w a desktop and a m …], But what do  people expect from a "mobile pc"? Running firefox? Running libreoffice? Those should run fine if libertine gets improved
 @ttdemartini [I tried installing snapd and haven't been successful yet], Snapd requires systemd, current ubuntu touch doesn't use systemd
 @Fuseteam [But what do  people expect from a "mobile pc"? Running firefox? Running libreoff …], i think the core issue here is this gatekeeping ideology of calling something "true gnu/linux" only if some few people agree with how it works, rather than you know, facts about what the definition of gnu/linux is
 @Fuseteam [Snapd requires systemd, current ubuntu touch doesn't use systemd], Thanks still learning.
 @dohbee [i think the core issue here is this gatekeeping ideology of calling something "t …], Hmm yeah, i'm still just gather opinions of what they say tho, as noted earlier it may easier to queit them down it its just "install traditional linux apps" :p … So far i've not gotten more than that as an answer xD
 @dohbee [i think the core issue here is this gatekeeping ideology of calling something "t …], [Edit] Hmm yeah, i'm still just gathering opinions of what they say tho, as noted earlier it may easier to queit them down it its just "install traditional linux apps" :p … So far i've not gotten more than that as an answer xD
 @dohbee [i think the core issue here is this gatekeeping ideology of calling something "t …], I’m happy that it is not Apple or Google controlled. That’s a big deal. The project will definitely mature with time. For all the other bells and whistles, we can use whatever Android/ iPhone daily driver we are all using anyways
 Hmmm we're drifting a bit
 @ttdemartini mind sending me an pm? I would like to hear what you expect of a "mobile pc"
 Did i ping the wrong person?
 @Fuseteam [But what do  people expect from a "mobile pc"? Running firefox? Running libreoff …], @dohbee is right here.. it is that gatekeeping ideology which is "If I use gnu/linux I must do things via commandline otherwise it's not true gnu/linux"
 Oh wow that's a response i didn't expect
 So then the follow up question is "do what?" … Install apps? Update?
 it doesn't matter
 it's the false ideal of "having control" over something they don't truly understand, even if it's actually a less secure system in the end
 It is technically possible to update via ssh, just not via apt for example :p
 it's not about apps or anything sensible, though i know you're trying to find some sense in it
 yeah.. command line is a bad nerdy habbit of a false sence of security
 it's literally the "i should be able to run a mail server on my phone if i want to, and not because i should or not, but because i can" type of mentality
 lol
 you can't have a sensible discussion with people who are going to end up doing things because they can even if they shouldn't. that's how you end up with a T-Rex running around San Diego
 @dohbee [it's the false ideal of "having control" over something they don't truly underst …], That's what i'm probing lol, i'm getting tired of the rw question popping up whenever ut is discussed; so i'm attempting an unscientific survey of "but what are you doing that you think an ro rootfs won't allow"
 @Fuseteam [That's what i'm probing lol, i'm getting tired of the rw question popping up whe …], perhaps you haven't noticed but the rest of us are also quite tired of it
 and really if what they want is to run a standard ubuntu/debian/whatever on their phone, they should just go do that instead
 but of course then they will be all "but wifi, calling, etc etc don't work"
 but well that's what they want. latest kernel on arbitrary hardware with ability to apt-get to their heart's desire
 @dohbee [perhaps you haven't noticed but the rest of us are also quite tired of it], I know, we all are, so i'm probing for material to write up a forum post about it
 yeah. i'm just saying that you can't explain sense to people who are not sensible. it doesn't matter if they can achieve what they want without apt. they care more about apt than achieving their goals :)
 trust me, i've been explaining that for 6+ years already :P
 Hmm i have disagree slightly; you can't explain sense if you don't know their side of it. But if they are willing to talk, than that can be an entry point
 The thing is i also expected a rw rootfs in the beginning, heck i didn't even  know a ro rootfs was a thing.  … But after easifly resetting my own faulty changes a couple of times and seeing the other benefits; i started to question why apt even needs a rw rootfs in the first place and what i was actually doing with a ro rootfs
 In my case its `installing cli apps` and `modifying qml files directly on the device`
 The latter in the hope of learning enough qml to better contribute code
 Ohw and for former i'm looking into a solution
[05:42] <ubptgbot> Diecko was added by: Diecko
 @just_carlod [yeah, yumi rtx on looks amazing :)], it has normal shadows
 4g lte sim isn't working on my Nexus 5
 Network is Jio India
[07:03] <ubptgbot> lebeau ROUX was added by: lebeau ROUX
 @arunkumar413 [Network is Jio India], Jio is VoLTE only, that is why I belive.
 Hi guys. Need help for my OP3. Can't connect to TV via wireless display. I'm using a kind of Chromecast. The phone finds it, tries to connect but doesn't succeed. Can anybody help me?
[08:20] <roo^y> via wifi 2.4GHz?/wifi 5GHz/bluetooth?
 Via wi-fi 2.4 Ghz
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/fJtMM4uH.png
 After reading the “I want APT!!!” messages for a few days now, I'm like: “I imagine that Libertine is like Termux, or even better, so why is that not enough for you‽”
 @Giupeste [Hi guys. Need help for my OP3. Can't connect to TV via wireless display. I'm usi …], The only wifi adapter confirmed to be working is the Microsoft Miracast-Adapter
 I did not hear any success stories for other hardware
 @Flohack [I did not hear any success stories for other hardware], Thank you so much Florian
 My adapter is for shure not the best, but had no problem with other phones😊
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 @elsandosgrande [After reading the “I want APT!!!” messages for a few days now, I'm like: “I imag …], Idk what the limits are to libertine, but many cant use it, libertine doesn't work on he op3 or pinephone for example.
 Oh.
[10:15] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Does MTP actually work? I can see my device in the devices notification, but can't access the files. Any hints? It's about the Xperia X
 Can anyone upload a short demo of UT on Xperia X ?
[10:20] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @coding_hedgehog [Can anyone upload a short demo of UT on Xperia X ?], What exactly do you want to know?
 @Boris Mihailov [What exactly do you want to know?], I'd like to see how snappy UT works on it. What about fingerprint scanner ? Does it work on it ?
[10:26] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @coding_hedgehog [I'd like to see how snappy UT works on it. What about fingerprint scanner ? Does …], It's quite fast actually. A lot of issues that I had at the beggining (like watching youtube and all) are fixed. I'm still watching at 720p though, since hardware acceleration for the browser isn't quite there yet, also still foun
[10:26] <ubptgbot> d alternatives for most of my apps (and created/installed webapps with the Webber app. … And the FP scanner doesn't work yet, but as I'm aware, there are efforts on making it work. Also video recording with the camera isn't working (we recently switched to arm64 so there are some quirks that need to be solved).
 @Boris Mihailov [It's quite fast actually. A lot of issues that I had at the beggining (like watc …], Thanks for the feedback.
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 @Fuseteam [Hmm i have disagree slightly; you can't explain sense if you don't know their si …], Rodney is right that the 'high priests' of that ideology are beyond hope. But debate is a constructive way to influence those who are not sure which way to jump
 nobody is beyond hope imo ;3
 @Fuseteam [nobody is beyond hope imo ;3], True, but it may take so much effort to make them see reason that they might as well be beyond hope. Those people are generally classified as “hopeless”.
 long way to be sceptical xD
 [Edit] lol way to be sceptical xD
 That's not skepticism, but realism.
 that's one way to define it :p
 the only people that are truly beyond hope are those who refuse to see reason, but even those may change their minds
 [Edit] the only people that are truly beyond hope are those who refuse to see reason, and even those may change their minds eventually
 @coding_hedgehog [Can anyone upload a short demo of UT on Xperia X ?], I have a not short video on youtubr
 @elsandosgrande [After reading the “I want APT!!!” messages for a few days now, I'm like: “I imag …], haha yeah
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Idk what the limits are to libertine, but many cant use it, libertine doesn't wo …], that wouldn't be much different if apt was supported fwiw
 in fact i'd argue libertine is better than pure apt :p
 @Fuseteam [in fact i'd argue libertine is better than pure apt :p], mess things up, nuke the container, lol
 @Boris Mihailov [Does MTP actually work? I can see my device in the devices notification, but can …], MTP doesn't work until you unlock your device. It's a security measure.
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @fredldotme [MTP doesn't work until you unlock your device. It's a security measure.], Thought so, but still couldn't access it on my laptop.
 Weird, never had issues with MTP.
 MTP isn't really reliable in my experience even on Android
 just use SSH 😄
[15:13] <ubptgbot> <Varun Ravindranath> @atp468 [If all i need is calls text and a browser, can i use ub as a primary devica?], Jnjjhgghbbvcchjf
[15:13] <ubptgbot> <Varun Ravindranath> (Voice, 2s) https://irc.ubports.com/C89Kt40i.oga
[15:13] <ubptgbot> <Varun Ravindranath> (Voice, 2s) https://irc.ubports.com/r0gKyvpV.oga
 @Fuseteam [in fact i'd argue libertine is better than pure apt :p], Apt works when libertine doesn't tho, so thats an advantage.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Apt works when libertine doesn't tho, so thats an advantage.], libertine works fine on pinephone. you just can't use any graphical apps with it yet because of missing xwayland support that isn't ready yet
 you can do CLI stuff all day in libertine though
 Oh, alright, thanks for that, Ill give that another go!
 my phone has a full debian install dual-boot option... its handy for really specific things but like...  i could take it or leave it, i would much rather have a good mobile-first OS... for me the debian install is more about me being a curmudgeon who is used to using certain specific applications for specific tasks and the android alter
[15:26] <ubptgbot> native is bad enough that its worth having a 'desktop version'... but like... if libertine can also run that application, that would be much better for me than having to run a desktop environment on a 5" screen 😆
 that use case doesn't pre-suppose a r/w root, it just pre-supposes being able to run said desktop app... which libertine would manage (if libertine was fully working)
 aside from that... i pretty much just boot the debian install for nerd cred
 @dohbee are the ota updates system independent?
 @Ozu [@dohbee are the ota updates system independent?], not entirely no. there is one rootfs tarball for most android devices, another rootfs tarball for android9 devices, and a rootfs tarball for pinephone/pinetab. then each device has their own kernel, recovery, and system images where appropriate for example
 so each update has to be manually built by respective device maintainers?
 no, things are built in CI
 Oo.
[16:03] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @fredldotme [Weird, never had issues with MTP.], on a random retry it worked. Oh well
 @YougoChats [mess things up, nuke the container, lol], lol something like that
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Apt works when libertine doesn't tho, so thats an advantage.], the thing is if libertine doesn't work, apt wouldn't work either
 @PiecerEdd [that use case doesn't pre-suppose a r/w root, it just pre-supposes being able to …], yup if it is just "i want to run that application" that much more workable then "r/w rootfs plox" xD
 @Ozu [Oo.], yup it's a pretty awesome system BD
 @Fuseteam [yup if it is just "i want to run that application" that much more workable then …], i suppose no matter how you slice it as well people dont see libertine as a 'native' application install... like its siloed off from the rest of your OS
 and for some reason that is "bad"
 @Fuseteam [the thing is if libertine doesn't work, apt wouldn't work either], Gimp installed via apt on my op3 but now libertine is working so eh, Im pretty sure I used apt on this before because libertine didn't work, but libertine works now so it doesn't really matter.
 i can see no reason why apt would work but libertine would fail, such a thing should be reported :p
 @PiecerEdd [i suppose no matter how you slice it as well people dont see libertine as a 'nat …], yeah i'm sure what they even mean with 'native' it build for the device and for the os, its 'native' lol
 @PiecerEdd [i suppose no matter how you slice it as well people dont see libertine as a 'nat …], [Edit] yeah i'm sure what they even mean with 'native'; i mean if it build for the device arch and for the os, its 'native' lol
 libertine apps arent really built for the OS though, thats sort of the point of why you have a 'regular' ubuntu rootfs that libertine apps run from hehe
 @Fuseteam [i can see no reason why apt would work but libertine would fail, such a thing sh …], Apparmor me believes
 @PiecerEdd [libertine apps arent really built for the OS though, thats sort of the point of …], muhehehe yeah true
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Apparmor me believes], ..... i can somewhat believe that somehow but if it works now it works it you encounter it again we can probe it :p
 Yeah it works now so thats great!
 Actually never mind some errors during install
 @Fuseteam [the only people that are truly beyond hope are those who refuse to see reason, a …], Those are the ones which I was thinking of.
 makes sense
 Hello I have a Nexus 4 running OTA-14. … While I can find other bluetooth devices like my notebook, the Nexus doesn't seem to find any of my bluetooth headphones. … Is there a known hotfix for this issue?
 you should able too them in the bluetooth settings
 [Edit] you should able to see them in the bluetooth settings
 make sure they are discoverable and your bluetooth is on
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 @Schmuel [Hello I have a Nexus 4 running OTA-14. … While I can find other bluetooth devices …], Bluetooth works well with some devices, not so well with others and not at all with some. Probably the only fix is to get lucky and find headphones that work
 Thanks for the quick response! … However it turned out working at the 5th attempt... and keeps working!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Puu12s0f.webp
 @Schmuel [Thanks for the quick response! … However it turned out working at the 5th attempt. …], Perfect!
 5th is a charm, for the 2nd time 🙂
[21:39] <ubptgbot> John Jabba was added by: John Jabba
 Fwd from CinicoDoc: Bq x2
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/nQigigq8.png I am following the online guide step by step but I have some problems with the complete compilation, what should I put between the two manifest? the official ones, those of Los or those of themuppets
 please don't cross-post @CinicoDoc you've already asked in the better place for such questions
 @dohbee [please don't cross-post @CinicoDoc you've already asked in the better place for …], Ok sorry
 @Schmuel [Thanks for the quick response! … However it turned out working at the 5th attempt. …], Try to switch of the wifi or move to 5ghz, wifi 2.4 and bluetooth on the nexus 4 overlap badly.
 @Schmuel [Thanks for the quick response! … However it turned out working at the 5th attempt. …], [Edit] Try to switch off the wifi or move to 5ghz, wifi 2.4 and bluetooth on the nexus 4 overlap badly.
 @Ern_st [Try to switch off the wifi or move to 5ghz, wifi 2.4 and bluetooth on the nexus …], That sounds like you're describing my laptop 🙃.
 @Flohack [Standards are for pussies and commercial software...], so, I noticed no one commented about it but this was a pretry misogynistic thing to say. I understand your point with the sentence but I think that following the code of conduct of the community and as an admin, it wasn't thoughtful saying that, since there is male a
[23:38] <ubptgbot> nd transgender users here. I did not feel comfortable reading it, and less comfortable that this comment was not addressed as wrong.
[23:41] <ubptgbot> SCHMITZ RODERICK was added by: SCHMITZ RODERICK
 @miranda_almeida [so, I noticed no one commented about it but this was a pretry misogynistic thing …], i missed it earlier, but i've deleted the offending comment and will call him out on it when he's around tomorrow or so
 thanks :)