[02:22] Any suggestions for a non-SQL, non-server/client database application, preferably with GUI (for U 18.04 MATE)? === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [02:25] gandsnut: it sounds a bit like you're looking for an MS Access-alike? [02:27] gandsnut: if that's what you're after, look at the libreoffice-base package -- https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/base/ [02:27] libreoffice-calc was my first thought [02:27] sarnold: Perhaps, though I've already tried, I think it's 'Kexi'. I'm frustrated with LibreOffice's Calc & Base, BTW... [02:28] Hey, some time ago there was a software update and Nautilus now shows directories as tree view. I can't figure how how to change them back to not tree view. [02:28] LO Base seems quirky in its SQL implementation. [02:28] these folks are kind enough to have screenshots :) http://www.kexi-project.org/screenshots.html [02:28] cupofcode: probably from the edit/preferences type menu area, or the view one [02:28] cupofcode: less likely but possibly from dconf or gsettings or something [02:29] though this kind of looks like it's running on windows 98 http://www.kexi-project.org/pics/1.1.2/user_mode.png [02:29] I may try Kexi again, but dunno... [02:29] I'm running Ubuntu 20.04. Yah, I looked there and under Views there's a "Tree View Defaults" with "Show only folders", I unchecked it but the tree view remains. [02:30] I looked through all the menus in preferences and can't find anything that will switch it back. [02:31] I'd hate to run Windoze in a VM just to get more database app options [02:32] matsaman: I'll try that, thanks. [02:32] Thanks for the ideas. Bye === umask078 is now known as umask077 [04:27] I need help installing dkms while OFFLINE, I am in a package retrival hell, is there a way to download all dependancies of a package to a usb stick? [04:31] RhinoArmy: what are you trying to installe exactly [04:33] wifi driver, I already have that [04:37] Found the driver here... https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce [04:45] I am getting that it needs gcc, c-compiler, and make... dont want to go down that rabbit hole... looking for a way to get everything I need in one go [04:45] remember I am OFFLINE [04:48] RhinoArmy: realtek drivers are kernel sensitive, maybe its best to experiment with different kernels? [04:56] ??? how do I do this? [05:02] RhinoArmy: wich kernel version does your wifi not work on? === Ringtailed-Fox is now known as RingtailedFox [06:49] I freaking ruined my computer [06:49] i dont think i'm root anymore [06:50] sudo: reboot: command not found [07:03] just type reboot? [07:09] Budgii: what'd you do? [07:09] oh thank heaven someone is awake [07:10] i dont really know. i was trying to reconfigure pihole, think i just removed a dependency i shouldn't have. reboot does nothing too, Gokturk-Away [07:10] i think im in the wrong path default, or something. i dont know what im doing [07:10] what'd you run? [07:11] let me post a little log [07:13] matsaman: pmed you [07:14] !pm | Budgii [07:14] Budgii: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. [07:14] sorry its long, but hopefully someone can see what happened. https://paste.ofcode.org/MPXYdJAahrNipJ3fCFeFNs [07:16] i dont dare reboot yet [07:16] (physical disconnect) [07:17] its like im not root [07:18] lost my priveledges or something [07:18] would a reboot be a bad idea? [07:18] Budgii: don't mind ducasse [07:18] ok [07:19] matsaman: did i ruin my setup? [07:19] probably not, let me look s'more [07:19] Budgii: what's your storage? [07:20] sdcard? [07:20] sd card. i just dont want to flash again cause just did that, and have to setup weechat relay again which was pita [07:20] if i cant get it, i will just redo it. but would like to try if its easy to fix [07:22] matsaman: it's still channel policy, for the reasons outlined in the factoid [07:22] ducasse: you are spam [07:23] Budgii: if all that's missing is 'reboot', I'm not sure that's a big deal [07:23] Budgii: maybe 'shutdown -r now'? Or you could just poweroff & on? [07:23] matsaman: it's also not letting me curl -sSL pihole again, im thinking its somewhat related [07:23] ill try [07:23] the worst case is imaging your sdcard again, yes [07:23] i just didn't want to get locked out, its upstairs in a cupboard :P [07:23] Budgii: well if networking isn't working at all... [07:23] im ssh'd in [07:23] that could be from uninstalling dhcpcd5 [07:24] ah [07:24] hrmm [07:24] im connect [07:24] its just like sudo isn't really working all the way. in dumb terms. [07:24] can you ping -c 3 google.com [07:24] Budgii: which part of sudo isn't working? [07:24] pi@SkyBox:~ $ ping -c 3 google.com [07:24] -bash: ping: command not found [07:24] its like normal commands dont work [07:25] so im going, is this my issue?https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/sudo-shutdown-command-not-found-488080/ [07:25] Budgii: you removed ping [07:25] ok [07:26] so i dont really care about ping, i just want pihole. i think installing again will get all the dependencies i accidentally removed, or shouldn't have removed [07:26] but i can try to get ping [07:26] ah yeah, iputils-ping [07:26] no that's okay [07:26] you've go curl still? [07:26] mm.. yes [07:27] i tried to manually copy in the curl data into a .sh file but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [07:27] Budgii: what's this do?: curl -s 'https://www.google.com/' | egrep -io doctype [07:27] Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/1281734f282629f5a683d19a61997b16/pasted.txt [07:27] Budgii: which release is this? [07:27] matsaman: "doctype" [07:27] its raspian [07:28] random1: that's a lot of screenshots [07:28] I am dealing with a error that keeps popping up upon boot. I took screen shots of the entire error. [07:28] Budgii: so your network works [07:28] matsaman: lol yeah :/ [07:28] Budgii: then why are you asking us? raspbian is debian [07:28] matsaman: yeah, i can ssh in, np [07:28] Budgii: it's possible the pihole site has temporarily blocked you [07:28] Budgii: what's the curl command you're trying to run again? [07:29] matsaman: curl -sSL https://install.pi-hole.net | bash [07:30] Any help would be much appreciated anyone :D [07:30] matsaman: when i run that, it checks for root. says not root, and not called with root priv. So i sudo it, and it still errors. why im under the impression i'm not root anymore [07:30] Budgii: what's this do?: curl -sSL https://install.pi-hole.net | head -1 [07:30] Budgii: oh okay then it's running, nevermind [07:31] matsaman: ok, yea [07:31] Budgii: does 'sudo su' not work anymore? [07:31] random1: which screenshot has the error? [07:31] sudo su does, and i kinda get the same thing when i try to curl pihole again. was in the long paste [07:32] All of them. Its the pop up error log i get upon boot [07:32] Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/1281734f282629f5a683d19a61997b16/pasted.txt [07:32] Budgii: please try #raspbian - raspbian is not supported here [07:32] i screenshoted it all the way down [07:33] matsaman: i should say, it does recognize me at root when i run the curl cmd in sudo su. [07:33] ducasse: ok, i'll try there. [07:33] thats not a channel. [07:33] sorry, i typoed [07:33] Budgii: okay what's the output from running it after 'sudo su' [07:33] its #raspberrypi [07:34] just guessing thats what ur dealing not sure lol.. [07:34] Budgii: raspbian and ubuntu are different, you should get help from the people who know it.. there is also #pihole [07:35] ducasse: nobody seems to be online. if matsaman wants to try helping me, why don't you just let him try. [07:35] matsaman: https://paste.ofcode.org/wGXgx35gDLfpbZJXAfagFG [07:35] because this is a ubuntu help chat. why dont u just private message him ? [07:36] rules are rules my friend [07:36] and your distracting people from helping me with my Ubuntu problem ;P [07:36] Budgii: it's against channel policy, for very good reasons [07:37] people like to grep information from chats. its unecessary chat in the channel [07:37] Budgii: seems a common enough issue with their installer script: https://github.com/pi-hole/pi-hole/issues/3750 [07:38] look there for workarounds [07:38] or try #pihole [07:39] lol [07:40] any help from anyone ? @_@ Confused on this ever so persistent error that keeps booting every time i boot up ubuntu [07:44] random1: you just using English for this install? [07:44] matsaman: yes [07:47] random1: which Ubuntu version? [07:47] 20.04 [07:48] random1: what's the output of 'dpkg -l ibus'? [07:48] ii ibus 1.5.22-2ubuntu2.1 amd64 Intelligent Input Bus - core [07:50] hum [07:50] I wonder if -2ubuntu2 would have the same problem [07:50] https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/ibus/download [07:51] (vs what you have: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal-updates/amd64/ibus/download) [07:51] I'm not sure you really even need ibus for anything important, but definitely download the .deb beforehand if you try to remove it [07:52] how do i remove it [07:54] probably dpkg -r, but [07:54] I'd try installing the previous version first instead, first [07:56] alright. thank you [07:57] random1: you can also try reinstalling the version you have [07:57] i literally just installed it] [08:10] why do u think that error is popping up [08:10] can I install mysql from snap? or really, apt only? [08:14] probably but, I'd go with mariadb (or postgresql), and not snap [08:18] matsaman: mariadb from apt? [08:20] nsaunders: yeah [08:24] thx [08:24] (held or broken packages, so I'm running apt update and apt upgrade. yes?) [08:59] I updated and upgraded. running 20.04 but still have held or broken packages. how do I fix that? [09:07] nsaunders: please if you want volunteers to help you, attach a pastebin of your apt output so they can think along with you [09:11] this right here is the worst time of day to get help on freenode, FYI [09:11] nsaunders: apt full-upgrade - if that doesn't work try apt -f install [09:11] I guess on a Sunday night is slightly worse [09:29] hey. i'm installing xubuntu on a NVME and grub-install fails. when i reboot the live system and mount the installed root fs, there is FS corruption all over the place [09:29] any ideas? [09:30] so the graphical installer succeeds up to the point where it tries to install grub, tells me that failed, then i tried to reboot from USB, mount the root fs and chroot etc but the root fs is utterly corrupted [09:30] right after installation [10:12] good morning folks, how safe is the upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 [10:13] my 18.04 keeps asking for it, but i am not sure as ofter i end up troubleshooting non working stuff for hours if not days [10:13] gebbione: before jumping to upgrades, its always safe to think about a few things first [10:14] gebbione: make a backup in front, make sure your apt doesnt spit out errors, see if you dont have too messy system with external ppa's and manual debs, see if your system is up to date [10:16] gebbione: another good idea is checking your next wanted ubuntu version releasenotes to see existing bugs/package changes etc [10:17] i have data backup for all that is needed, not apps or configuration. That bit is risky. At the moment when i run updates i do get this http://imgur.com/9Lp270Ll.png . I am sure i have quite a few PPAs and unsure on the impact of upgrading on them. Maybe i should check if there are new versions ones? [10:17] and also manual or snap installations [10:17] including make based (so compiled), .deb and snap [10:18] gebbione: lets try a: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade first on your 18.04 [10:30] doesnt a full-upgrade install 20.04? [10:31] gebbione: no, full-upgrade completes all updates on your current ubuntu release [10:31] !uptodate [10:31] To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. [10:33] so this is what i see before accepting it https://termbin.com/ooj2 [10:34] ok it also wants to update nvidia drivers :/ thats tricky [10:34] gebbione: yep, that looks good, proceed with Y(es) [10:35] gebbione: after the updates, sudo apt autoremove [10:45] it is asking me to restart now [10:46] should i avoid the autoremove for now? [10:46] gebbione: restart first sure [10:59] hi, how can I check the backlog queue size of a socket? [12:14] Hi Guys I am evil and I need your help [12:15] Can you help me with a pdf book with all ubuntu commands? [12:31] !ask | Master666 [12:31] Master666: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [12:31] Master666: This may help https://www.ubuntutor.com/ubuntu18eng/Ubuntu%201804%20english.pdf [12:32] Master666: It is for 18.04, but the website also has a text version for 20.04 [12:33] Master666: Or https://help.ubuntu.com/ for an online manual [12:54] ubottu: thanks [12:54] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [13:02] Agh I need to disable SWAP to see if it gets rid of the horrible lag [13:03] Ubuntu 18 and 20 on very different machiens seem to have a big bug, they don't necessairly put a lot of memory to sleep into SWAP, but after idling for a few hours after 1 day of power-on it's horribly slow to get back in [13:06] It's the whole KDE gui, all the browser tabs, get disk-sleeped or just unloaded from RAM for no reason really [13:06] There's no RAM exhaustion, when I use it it's fast and responsive, leaving it idling and coming back is when this happens. [13:07] This is just I think the consequence of obsession with low-power and efficiency. [13:13] hi, I'm getting an error when tried to update my 20.04 "Error: Timeout was reached" [13:15] https://ibb.co/B4WRfY8 [13:26] tried change the repositories location but error remains [13:27] rootsandculture: did you try that without the external ppa(s) ? [13:27] nope [13:27] how should I do it? [13:28] !ppapurge | rootsandculture [13:28] rootsandculture: To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [13:28] ah yes I tried that [13:28] I removed all PPAs [13:29] rootsandculture: thats not what your paste says [13:29] I tried after that trying to find the solutuion [13:32] https://ibb.co/qjthT8t [13:32] rootsandculture: ok thank you, are you behind a router, firewall, proxy of any kind? [13:33] yep, behind a router but this error never appears before [13:34] rootsandculture: please join #ubuntu-mirrors and ask with your last paste plz === jeddo- is now known as jeddo === SpudDogg5 is now known as SpudDogg === megoix2 is now known as megoix === popey9 is now known as popey === pauljw_pop is now known as pauljw [13:37] thanks @lotuspsychje I'll try === Swant_ is now known as Swant [13:53] I have installed "lubuntu-desktop" over Ubuntu 18.04 but i cant find "lubuntu" on the login screen ...Only Ubuntu & Ubuntu on Wayland is available [14:03] Hey guys, I'm pretty tech savvy but I am still not as experienced as I'd like to be. So I've been trying to setup my own home server, I followed a guide on a Linux website using Ubuntu Server 20 and ISPConfig Beta. [14:03] I've set it up 9 times so far, restarting the process entirely because I couldn't get everything working how it should. I had email working once but I ended up breaking it by trying to set my wireless adapter to automatically connect. [14:03] So here's my problem, for once I kinda understand DNS, but I'm not sure I have it all set up correctly. My site can only be reached by including www. which is fine if I could manager to install the SSL certificate. My email on /RoundCube doesn't allow to send or receive messages Error 250 I believe it is. [14:03] I actually managed to login to the mail server on outlook and send an outgoing message but when I go to reply, I receive an error address not doesn't exist. [14:03] So what I'm trying to do, I want to install a SSL certificate I bought across the entire site including on ISPConfig, Email, Postfix, FTP, SSH, etc. I would also like to get the mail server aspect fixed. [14:03] I've got everything setup I think, I might have done something wrong, but I am absolutely not against restarting the process entirely if y'all could assist me in setting this up. If I can get it setup and have someone answer a few questions along the way, I would not only really appreciate it, but I won't have to restart over and over again to no prevail. [14:03] I don't have money, I'm just a simple college student trying to learn and maybe setup a store that is decent some day. But yeah, I'm kinda at the last resort right now; I've really done my very best to try to figure this all out myself but I just haven't been able. [14:03] !paste | ZiolaBleu [14:03] ZiolaBleu: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [14:03] Sorry I am on mobile and I thought I had sent it all in a single message [14:07] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7TEean2k/Screenshot_20201114-080700_Gmail.jpg [14:07] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yz3ZKx6s/Screenshot_20201114-080633_Chrome.jpg [14:07] ZiolaBleu: X509 certificate(s) - use letsencrypt and the automated 'certbot' tooling. Hostnames: set ServerName to "mydomain.org www.mydomain.org" and set a web-server redirect to rewrite www. to just mydomain.org [14:08] TJ is there any chance you could Skype call or Facebook call and remote desktop to look at everything [14:08] ZiolaBleu: DNS use a CNAME for the www record; e.g. "www 38600 IN CNAME @" [14:09] ZiolaBleu: no; support here is public and collaborative so everyone can contribute [14:10] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TYGj1npr/Screenshot_20201114-081007_Chrome.jpg [14:11] Am I able to ever change the nameservers on the actual domain the server is for to the domain itself === jelly-home is now known as jelly [14:14] ZiolaBleu: your list of issues implies a LOT yet to learn so I'd suggest tackling one at a time. Figure out the order in which you need to do that and then work down the list. E.g. OS install > openssh-server > SSH certificate login (ssh-keygen, ssh-copy-id) > DNS (bind9) > HTTP (apache2) > X509 certificate (TLS/SSL) with SANs: "mydomain.org,www.mydomain.org,mail.mydomain.org" (letsencrypt via [14:14] certbot) > HTTPS (apache 2 config) > SMTP server (Postfix in Maildir config and using the X509 certificate) and so on [14:16] ZiolaBleu: if you have access to the domain's DNS Zone file you can control what hostnames the domain uses. Then you have to ensure any service that needs to answer to those hostnames is correctly configured (and can answer to any CNAME/aliases e.g. www) [14:16] Would you be willing to work with me from the start of that list to the end and sort of explain it [14:17] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eBeRxR6J/Screenshot_20201114-081642_Chrome.jpg [14:17] ZiolaBleu: I don't have the time; I've got very important server migrations to manage [14:30] Hi all [15:24] ZiolaBleu: see also the #ubuntu-server channel for likeminded volunteers === Etua1 is now known as Etua [16:36] hello [16:37] i just got a free laptop from work. they were throwing out an old panasonic toughbook cf-31. i installed ubuntu on it, and it works pretty good except for some driver issues. currently having to use a usb wifi adapter because the ethernet and onboard wifi are not working. what should i do to go about resolving these issues? [16:38] m4rk: first step is knowing the chipsets [16:38] m4rk: does lspci or lsusb list the wifi? [16:39] pavlos: if the devices are Wifi; e.g. "lspci -nn -d ::280" will list wifi device class PCI devices [16:39] pavlos: lsusb doesn't have an option to only report particular device classes [16:40] ok ran the lspci looking for the info give me a min [16:40] 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 02) [16:40] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [16:40] 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06) [16:40] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06) [16:40] 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev 06) [16:40] 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev 06) [16:40] 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06) [16:40] 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev a6) [16:40] 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation QM57 Chipset LPC Interface Controller (rev 06) [16:40] !paste | m4rk [16:40] m4rk: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:40] 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 6 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 06) [16:40] 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset SMBus Controller (rev 06) [16:40] 00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Thermal Subsystem (rev 06) [16:40] 0a:00.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ba) [16:40] 0a:00.2 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 21) [16:40] 3f:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture Generic Non-core Registers (rev 02) [16:41] 3f:00.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture System Address Decoder (rev 02) [16:41] 3f:02.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Link 0 (rev 02) [16:41] 3f:02.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor QPI Physical 0 (rev 02) [16:41] 3f:02.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor Reserved (rev 02) [16:41] 3f:02.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor Reserved (rev 02) [16:41] sorry about the paste... didn't read the rules beforehand [16:41] TJ-: thanks [16:42] Hey folks [16:42] how would I uninstall something like this? apt-get install cmatrix [16:43] Gh0sta, sudo apt remove cmatrix [16:43] Thanks [16:43] coconut: will it also remove everything comes with it? [16:44] aside from having to use a USB wifi adapter this laptop feels so much faster and responsive [16:44] use purge instead of remove [16:44] pavlos: would that be something like this? sudo apt purge cmatrix [16:44] yes [16:46] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZcQ49MBJyR/ [16:47] m4rk: I don't see any ethernet or wifi in that lspci output [16:48] m4rk: show us " ls -l /sys/class/net/*/device/driver " [16:48] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 14 10:48 /sys/class/net/wlx00c0ca925011/device/driver -> ../../../../../../../bus/usb/drivers/rt2800usb [16:49] m4rk: that would be your usb wifi you are using [16:49] m4rk: so you've a USB RT2800 on interface wlx00c0ca925011 [16:50] Gh0sta, no it will only remove that package. sudo apt autoremove #is for that, and is used after the remove [16:50] m4rk: did you check in the PC's firmware/BIOS setup (at power-on) that Ethernet and Wifi are enabled? [16:51] TJ- no didn't think of that. >.< [16:52] m4rk: according to this article it should mostly 'just work' https://www.bobjohnson.com/blog/adventures-with-linux-installing-ubuntu-on-a-panasonic-toughbook-cf31/ [16:52] Gh0sta: 'man apt' explains install, remove, purge [16:52] Gh0sta, and sudo apt purge #is for removing a package and deleting the config of that app at the same time. [17:02] hi guys i'm back! thanks for the info about BIOS. now it shows ethernet cable unplugged [17:02] m4rk: yay! [17:02] however i'm still having to use my USB wifi adapter [17:02] m4rk: does it also report the internal wifi? [17:03] no not yet, but baby steps!! [17:03] tyvm TJ- [17:05] m4rk: show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk -d ::280; lspci -nnk -d ::0200; ls -l /sys/class/net/*/device/driver; iwconfig )" [17:05] tried both unplugging the adapter and moving the hard switch on and off [17:07] so i disconnected the USB adapter and moved the hard switch from on to off and back on. [17:07] still unable to see the onboard wifi [17:09] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ss8CQdmX9Q/ === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 [17:12] when i run " lspci -nn -d ::280 " nothing shows up [17:16] What is the recommended way to release & renew a DHCP lease in Ubuntu these days? [17:16] I remember dhclient, but I don't see it running, so I don't expect that to be the recommended way? [17:18] locsmif: are you on 20.04 ? [17:18] Yeah [17:24] Why, does this make it impossible or? [17:25] Alright, I'll just try dhclient [17:26] Hmm that didn work [17:26] locsmif: I did, sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager [17:27] locsmif: followed with, sudo dhclient -v [17:30] is there any other way i can check the onboard wifi or drivers? [17:32] my husband's computer problem https://pastebin.com/k3haiJ1Z 1hour paste [17:33] is it a video card thing? [17:35] chalcedony: can you paste, lsblk -f [17:36] pavlos, let me see [17:37] chalcedony: when you say "He's been having hard drive problems" what kind of problems is he having? [17:37] m4rk: show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk -d ::280; lspci -nnk -d ::0200; ls -l /sys/class/net/*/device/driver; iwconfig )" [17:38] lo no wireless extensions. [17:38] enp0s25 no wireless extensions. [17:38] chalcedony: are you able to switch to a text console by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2 and tapping a key ? [17:39] m4rk: run the command I gave you in the " ... " and give us the URL it reports [17:39] pavlos lsblk -f https://pastebin.com/c2CjHTJf [17:39] TJ-, i'm ssh'd in with putty [17:39] ok [17:39] chalcedony: oh good! even better [17:39] chalcedony: and does the problem PC have an Internet connection as well? [17:40] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D4kPxsChyn/ [17:40] TJ-, yes [17:40] chalcedony: in which case show us "pastebinit <( journalctl -b 0 -p=warning )" [17:40] TJ-, let's see [17:40] m4rk: so there is no sign of a built-in wifi device there; let's check the kernel log. "pastebinit <( journalctl -k )" [17:41] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GJqS8XdcjZ/ [17:41] chalcedony: hang on, I gave you the wrong command! [17:41] chalcedony: in which case show us "pastebinit <( journalctl -b 0 -p warning )" [17:42] chalcedony: I put an erroneous = in the 1st one! [17:42] ahhh [17:42] it errored i was going to paste that [17:44] m4rk: what does "pastebinit <( rfkill list )" report? [17:44] TJ-, ~$ pastebinit <( journalctl -b 0 -p warning ) [17:44] Failed to contact the server: [Errno socket error] The read operation timed out [17:45] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nZkM4BQzj2/ [17:48] m4rk: well, aside from all the mmcblk0 errors there's nothing stands out in the kernel log - no sign of an internal wifi device [17:49] m4rk: unless there's another option in the BIOS config that is disabled it looks like there isn't one [17:49] chalcedony: ouch; that suggests the problem PC doesn't have an Internet connection [17:49] well i wouldn't be surprised if they removed the internal wifi card [17:49] TJ-, weird [17:49] chalcedony: does "ip route show" report a 'default' route ? [17:50] i'm ssh'd to it it has to [17:50] chalcedony: no, it doesn't - doesn't need a deafult route on the local subnet [17:50] TJ-, we go through the modem router [17:50] im connected he's got to be [17:51] chalcedony: does "ip route show" report a 'default via ...' on the problem PC? [17:51] checking [17:51] chalcedony: just trying to determine how limited that system is [17:51] chalcedony: being able to efficiently collect logs will help volunteers identify issues [17:52] My "application view" is broken. There are some entries without icons and some icons for programs i removed (i.E. wine-Shortcuts). Where is this information stored? [17:52] thank you TJ- for your help. i'll continue to dig around. [17:52] m4rk: it rather looks that way then; does it have 'doors' in the base for user-added mini-PCIe cards to be fitted? if so, open up and check if there's a wifi card... sometimes they can become slightly disconnected due to vibration/knocks [17:54] i'm thinking they probably physically removed them or something as we have policies that no wireless devices are allowed on any system [17:54] jka_: you could try gnome-tweaks and see if you can enable activities from there [17:54] m4rk: also, in years past, some weird laptops had this thing whereby there was a hot-key combination that toggled between the wired and wifi devices so you could only have one or the other active at a time! I hope that isn't what you've got [17:54] TJ-, :~$ ip route show [17:54] default via 192.168.1.254 dev enp4s0 proto dhcp metric 100 [17:54] 192.xx.xx.0/24 dev enp4s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.xxx.xx.xx metric 100 [17:54] m4rk: BIOS (F2) -> Advanced -> Wireless LAN -> Enable [17:54] chalcedony: ok, os that does look like it should be able to reach the pastebin server; but didn't. [17:55] it has a physical switch that i keep toggling and don't notice a difference. i'll probably open it up next week when the ram i ordered arrives [17:55] does it matter if i'm running the command on my box and not his? [17:55] chalcedony: OK, can we try to collec the log via your ssh session? are you on the same LAN as that PC or accessing it from outside the LAN? [17:55] TJ-, ^^ [17:55] same lan [17:55] thanx TJ-, ciao [17:55] chalcedony: I assumed you were executing the 'ip route show' command via SSH on the target PC :) [17:56] lotuspsychie: I mean the "application menu" [17:56] This information is not shown in gnome-tweaks [17:56] chalcedony: I have to leave now; there are other greatly knowledgable volunteers here should be able to continue with you [17:57] TJ-, thanks very much. you have a wonderful day! [17:57] jka_: ah, if you missing launch icons, take a look into /usr/share/applications [17:58] :) [17:58] chalcedony: can you ping google.com ? [17:58] chalcedony: when ssh'd [17:58] tomreyn, lovely to see you :) [17:58] pavlos, let's see [17:59] chalcedony: :) nice to see you, too. [17:59] pavlos, yes. it works fine. [17:59] chalcedony: but pastebinit failed ... weird [18:01] O.K., i found it out. The missing icons (i.e. lazarus) are stored in /usr/share/icons/hicolor. The other icons are stored in /usr/share/icons/HighContrast [18:01] pavlos, computer isn't well. [18:02] i downloaded pastebin to do the command pavlos [18:03] chalcedony: are you able to, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [18:03] pavlos, we can try. will this help it's video? [18:03] chalcedony: well, it may need some updated on the video driver [18:03] updates* [18:03]