[00:13] <tr4ck3ur> let's focus on the first question, anyone succeed to trust its own ssl certificate on ubuntu-touch default browser ?
[00:41] <tr4ck3ur> ok, just found that a requirement is not met, retry
 Is the Volla Phone based on an Android subsystem?
 Yes
 :/
 I feel compelled to buy a new phone (I'm now thinking Meizu's USB C ports aren't that reliable, especially second hand) which is especially frustrating as I bought this second MP5 just this summer, nightshift and overtime money notwithstanding.
 but I'm torn between a nice budget Pinephone which I know will have long term support vs a powerful, more expensive Android-based phone which is unconfirmed for LTS.
 [Edit] But I'm torn between a nice budget Pinephone which I know will have long term support vs a powerful, more expensive Android-based phone which is unconfirmed for LTS.
 I wish I just knew a smartphone specialist who had a heatgun etc to help me properly unmount the battery then resolder or replace the USB port. But no luck in this small town.
 Usb port replacements suck.
 I've tried to do them in the past and it's not fun when it's a microsolder job
 If I can just vise the phone to charge it, that's fine, I can workaround not being able to practically USB connect it to a PC. But even clamping it is hard.
 My DIY right now is to keep it between the handle of a roll-on bag and a wall, but it has to be just right to get the electrons flowing.
[02:25] <tr4ck3ur> hum, great i finally succeed to build and install the "ubp-5.1" \o/ but still stuck with my ssl certificate
 Not sure morph has an feature to support self signed certs yet, but it is in the end based on chromium
 Perhaps an chromium guide might help
[02:30] <tr4ck3ur> hum, you mean, installed from libertine ?
 Hm? No the morph browser that is shipped is based on chromium
[02:32] <tr4ck3ur> ah ok
 I was supposing it reads certs the same way chromium does
[02:33] <tr4ck3ur> ok, thanks for the hint, let's dig on that direction
[02:38] <tr4ck3ur> "chrome://settings" don't seems to work, nice try
 Ah no that won't work but setting it in the same fol- hmmm
[02:51] <tr4ck3ur> https://rolandschnabel.de/blog/2016/09/certificate-authorities-cas-in-google-chrome-chromium-and-firefox/
[02:52] <tr4ck3ur> and phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.pki/nssdb exists...
[02:53] <tr4ck3ur> you're probably right, too late for today, but thanks for the hint, i will continue investigating it later
 People I would like to know something ... But UBports, besides the development of UT, seems to be engaged in the development of Unity 8, but I haven't seen or heard about it ..... I would just like to look at this shell on the PC .... Nobody knows how things are with the Yunit fork now ?
 Lomiri is unity8
 It is currently used on ut, and it needs a lot of work to become useable on pc
 in my opinion it's already usable on desktop in terms of UX/UI … just need to to something with the indicators … maybe something similar to the global menu
 @Fuseteam [It is currently used on ut, and it needs a lot of work to become useable on pc], It looks like it won't work on your pc ... 😅
 @Fuseteam [It is currently used on ut, and it needs a lot of work to become useable on pc], [Edit] It looks like it won't work on pc ... 😅
 It will as kugi has said ;3
 @Javacookies [in my opinion it's already usable on desktop in terms of UX/UI … just need to to s …], Ohw so ayatana?
 Didn't the global menu already work?
 @Fuseteam [It will as kugi has said ;3], But the main question is floating ... when
 @Mister_Tails121 [But the main question is floating ... when], When someone dive deep enough in the code :p
 I think the issue is mainly having it run on normal desktop distros … on mobile devices, it runs well already
 @Mister_Tails121 [But the main question is floating ... when], And how will it work with X applications on the same Ubuntu 20 ..... By the way, even earlier Yunity had its own website, but now it is closed unfortunately
 @Fuseteam [Ohw so ayatana?], I don't think ayatana changes the look of it, I think it's just the backend code
 Wait the looks need to change?
 @Javacookies [I think the issue is mainly having it run on normal desktop distros … on mobile de …], I would put it differently .... On mobile devices it works PERFECTLY
 @Mister_Tails121 [And how will it work with X applications on the same Ubuntu 20 ..... By the way, …], Depends on the move;to xwayland :p
 @Mister_Tails121 [And how will it work with X applications on the same Ubuntu 20 ..... By the way, …], [Edit] Depends on the move to xwayland :p
 Also there two things lomiri on a traditonal desktop or ut on the desktop :3
 @Fuseteam [Depends on the move to xwayland :p], (now it seems that the Nvidia 340 driver is not approved by wayland, considering that even the kernel above Linux 5.4 is not approved anymore)
 @Mister_Tails121 [(now it seems that the Nvidia 340 driver is not approved by wayland, considering …], Oof nvidia at it again :/
 @Fuseteam [Also there two things lomiri on a traditonal desktop or ut on the desktop :3], About lomiri .... And who else can describe the difference between Lomiri and UT unity ....
 @Fuseteam [Wait the looks need to change?], I mean the indicators is not working well with mouse … while the global menu's UI kind of works with both touch and mouse although when I tried the 2 global menu UIs don't work with both touch and mouse at the moment
 @Mister_Tails121 [About lomiri .... And who else can describe the difference between Lomiri and UT …], Ut unity? Eh?
 @Javacookies [I mean the indicators is not working well with mouse … while the global menu's UI …], Ah i see
 @Fuseteam [Oof nvidia at it again :/], Alas .... Nvidia is the same needle that will stab developers by the heels all their life.
 @Mister_Tails121 [About lomiri .... And who else can describe the difference between Lomiri and UT …], Unity 7 is the one used on Ubuntu desktop before … Unity 8 is the successor with UT use but recently renamed to Lomiri
 @Fuseteam [Ut unity? Eh?], Well, I mean the Unity that comes with UT
 That's called "lomiri"
 [Edit] That's now called "lomiri"
 Lomiri = unity 8
 @Javacookies [Unity 7 is the one used on Ubuntu desktop before … Unity 8 is the successor with U …], Hmm ... strange but I thought he remained unity8 ... It seems that even UT Tweaker says that it is Unity8 too
 UT is everything else including l3miri
 @Mister_Tails121 [Hmm ... strange but I thought he remained unity8 ... It seems that even UT Tweak …], Yes because unity8 is lomiri :p
 @Fuseteam [Yes because unity8 is lomiri :p], Ah .... Got it .... It looks like there is no way to try lomiri on pc yet
 @Mister_Tails121 [Hmm ... strange but I thought he remained unity8 ... It seems that even UT Tweak …], the rename was relatively recent so it's not renamed on everything yet
 well Lomiri can now run on wayland and there are works on other distros like Manjaro so I would guess it's now easier to make it work on desktops
 @Javacookies [well Lomiri can now run on wayland and there are works on other distros like Man …], Ah .... So now I can already try it on ubuntu 20?
 not sure, never tried...I'm just guessing 😅
 Yes but its not usable it has mouse issues and x apps issue if memory serves
 @Javacookies [not sure, never tried...I'm just guessing 😅], And ... Or maybe I'll check it then ... Only now I would get the deb packages lom
 @Javacookies [not sure, never tried...I'm just guessing 😅], [Edit] Ah ... Or maybe I'll check it then ... Only now I would get the deb packages lom
 A desktop enviroment take more than that but ok 👀
 @Fuseteam [Yes but its not usable it has mouse issues and x apps issue if memory serves], It is still unusable for PC hike
 Which is the best phone to flash with ubuntu touch
 I was using oneplus one but its battery died few days back
 So looking for something new compatible with UT
 guys please tell me where to download the latest gsi firmware? and is it possible to install via ubports installer on Samsung Galaxy J7 device ??
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 https://twitter.com/lanux_mage/status/1328056469951045632
 @☆SHADOW☆ [guys please tell me where to download the latest gsi firmware? and is it possibl …], Not 'immediately' possible but may be possible 'in principle'
 When choosing which phone to port, "I have that phone" is about as relevant and useful as "Can I get one in red metallic finish"?
 @Stereofont [When choosing which phone to port, "I have that phone" is about as relevant and …], Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my vicinity and not too expensice
 @Stereofont [When choosing which phone to port, "I have that phone" is about as relevant and …], [Edit] Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my vicinity and not too expensive
 @Mister_Tails121 [It is still unusable for PC hike], why would take a pc on a hike 🤔
 @Flohack [Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my v …], Yes. Decently specified, reliable, widely used
 @Fuseteam [why would take a pc on a hike 🤔], That portable generator would need a wheeled carrier 🤔
 🤔🤔🤔
 @Flohack [Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my v …], In fact, it should be more about: I would buy a used phone X at a future unknow date when the port is usable giving I don't know if it will be available in my vicinity, not too expensive and in a good state.
 @Flohack [Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my v …], [Edit] In fact, it should be more about: I would buy a used phone X at a future unknow date when the port is usable giving at this time I don't know if it will be available in my vicinity, not too expensive and in a good state.
 @Flohack [Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my v …], [Edit] In fact, it should be more about: I would buy a used phone X at a future unknow date when the port is usable given at this time I don't know if it will be available in my vicinity, not too expensive and in a good state.
 Too many unknowns; it's why people logically choose  the latest device on the market.
 Which is okay ^^
 I think so too.
[11:44] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @libremax [Too many unknowns; it's why people logically choose  the latest device on the ma …], Considering support for kernel and firmware, buying a recent device usually is not the worst decision ... It's certainly nice to have an up-to-date UT-OTA, but if firmware or kernel have bugs that remain unfixed ...
 in fact, options of devices that are theoretically possible to port are somewhat limited now
 Huawei is a plain no-go because of their bootloader that can't be unlocked policy for example
 same goes for Nokia, though some devices can be unlocked unofficially, but that often costs
 Samsung is kind of possible, but not very popular since they tend to deviate much
 smaller Chinese brands ignore GPL and won't provide kernel source code even if they are sold in stores in EU
 Oneplus ???
 OnePlus works
 non-MediaTek Xiaomi often as well
 [Edit] Oneplus ??? Not perfect, but Opo, Op3/3t , Op2 are there and hopefully newer ones with USB-C 3.0 could be ported as well.
 But Mediatek Volla phone works as well.
 @Stefano0101 [But Mediatek Volla phone works as well.], A special case because they have access
 MediaTek itself is fine, but Xiaomi do weird things that make devices easy to brick
 [Edit] MediaTek itself is fine, but Xiaomi do weird things that make devices easy to brick with recent models
 Like Canonical used to have with MX4?
 I still think, Google fu.ked up the whole Android world as the did not want to create a Linux phone fully GPL and created same way as classic Linux distro.
 Plus No Bios standard, no open drivers, just a mess.
 Modern smartphones are a mess generally tbh
 @Stefano0101 [I still think, Google fu.ked up the whole Android world as the did not want to c …], They not only did not want it, it was never even considered. Why would they, they needed a quick competition against iPhone and that also came in a locked Software/Hardware bundle. just their problem was they had no hardware manufacturing ex
[12:50] <ubptgbot> perience.
 @Flohack [They not only did not want it, it was never even considered. Why would they, the …], I think it's always the same. It's all about money.
 Of course. But everybody should be free to create a product out of an idea without being contrained to certain success factors. As it seems Google was successful without going bankcrupt ther must be some truth in what they did ;)
 yeah it comes down to bsd vs gpl
 gpl gives the users al lot of freedoms but bsd considers the freedoms of the devs
 it's a debate we shouldn't go into in here tho :P
 @NotKit [same goes for Nokia, though some devices can be unlocked unofficially, but that …], iirc nokia does allow unlocking but they waive any warranty
 no, they don't
 they allowed only for a single model to make the claim that they allow
 [Edit] they allowed only for a single model (Nokia 6) to make the claim that they allow
 [Edit] they allowed only for a single model (Nokia 8) to make the claim that they allow
 https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/bootloader
 If there was a unified bootloader/ Bios unlockable, we wouldn't have this conversation I guess.
 Sir
 So Sony, Oneplus and Google devices seem to have a future for us or what :)
 @Stefano0101 [If there was a unified bootloader/ Bios unlockable, we wouldn't have this conver …], Not really if you cannot access the vendor and device tree you cannot build a custom OS
 I am using redmi HM NOTE 1 LTE … I AM INTERESTING USE UBUNTU OS … BUT I AM SEE NOT AVAILABLE THIS WAS FOR MY MOBILE
 So kindly considered this was enabled for this device
 Sir
 @Flohack [Not really if you cannot access the vendor and device tree you cannot build a cu …], Yes, off course vendor partition (drivers)
 @DINE6 [I am using redmi HM NOTE 1 LTE … I AM INTERESTING USE UBUNTU OS … BUT I AM SEE NOT A …], No shouting, please …
 Sir
 In India lot of people using redmi mobiles
 @DINE6 [So kindly considered this was enabled for this device], unfortunately we're not a company that can just put an item to backlog of things to do. Each device needs to be ported and that requires work specific for that device that can be done only by someone owning that device
 @DINE6 [In India lot of people using redmi mobiles], number one position
 @NotKit [unfortunately we're not a company that can just put an item to backlog of things …], Ok sir
 4X is the oldest available in UT
 Sir
 Poco mobile … In future available UBUNTU OS
 there is a port for beryllium (Poco F1)
 @NotKit [they allowed only for a single model (Nokia 8) to make the claim that they allow], hmm guess i was wrong
 VOLTE is not fixed though, so UT has little utility in India at present, as I understand it
 must've confused it with https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/opensource
 @Stereofont [VOLTE is not fixed though, so UT has little utility in India at present, as I un …], depends if someone needs to make voice calls though
 @NotKit [depends if someone needs to make voice calls though], We don't have that in Axolotl or Teleports though
 @Stereofont [VOLTE is not fixed though, so UT has little utility in India at present, as I un …], there are non volte only operators too
 but it seems majority users are using volte only operator
 @ItsMeShouko [there are non volte only operators too], Ah, interesting. I thought there were none
 @DINE6 [number one position], as things stand you are the most suitable to bring the os to those devices as they are easily available in your area
 Well, in.Teleports you could have a voice message interchange 😂
 @Fuseteam [as things stand you are the most suitable to bring the os to those devices as th …], There is an India group where a strategy can be planned
 tell him, i'm not in india :jo
 [Edit] tell him, i'm not in india 😂
 https://t.me/UBports_India
 [Edit] tell him :P  … i'm not in india 😂
 @Fuseteam [tell him :P  … i'm not in india 😂], 😀
 @Stereofont [There is an India group where a strategy can be planned], Competition is too hard, only if some high ranked government official says, "let's be independent, let's say no to ios and android and let's use [this os/that os], then you can expect buzz"
 otherwise no chance
 @Stereofont [There is an India group where a strategy can be planned], [Edit] Competition is too hard, only if some high ranked government official says, "let's be independent, let's say no to ios and android and let's use [this os/that os]", then you can expect buzz
 @Stereofont [There is an India group where a strategy can be planned], [Edit] Competition is too tough, only if some high ranked government official says, "let's be independent, let's say no to ios and android and let's use [this os/that os]", then you can expect buzz
 @Fuseteam [as things stand you are the most suitable to bring the os to those devices as th …], The thing is some devices may have volte on by default and could work. We just need to try ^^
 true but whoever has access to the device is the most suitable person to try ;)
 @ItsMeShouko [Competition is too tough, only if some high ranked government official says, "le …], Russia said that and invest in Aurora OS (aka Sailfish Mobile OS RUS).
 sounds weird when the question is "please support device x" the answer is "do it yourself, we'll help you do it" but that's how things stand :P
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[14:06] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> hello everyone
[14:08] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> i want to ask
[14:08] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> whatsapp work on anbox
 @Flohack [Of course. But everybody should be free to create a product out of an idea witho …], yeah, they already had a crapload of money and phones with advertisements and customer data obviously feed more into that
 @dohbee [yeah, they already had a crapload of money and phones with advertisements and cu …], Yes sure. But I am not willing to take a position where business ideas will be limited by non-measurable constraints like "usefulness", "free of bugs", or, similar, "benefit for society". You can use measurable constraints like "does not throw hi
[14:17] <ubptgbot> ghvoltage sparks when turned on" etc. Product safety, data protection, etc. can be defined. But not philosophical thoughts about whats good and whatsnot
 It will be abused otherwise
 @Flohack [Yes sure. But I am not willing to take a position where business ideas will be l …], "public safety, data protection, etc…" are all philosophical thoughts about what's good and what's not. we simply generally agree as a society that those things are good.
 @dohbee ["public safety, data protection, etc…" are all philosophical thoughts about what …], Ok bad description, of course pholosphical intent, but put into measurable goals. But just "forbid it, its capitalism" is not enough
 Or "Governments should only allowed to use FOSS software" is no solution
 [Edit] Or "Governments should only be allowed to use FOSS software" is no solution
 of course it's not a solution, to a completely different undefined problem. however, it is a solution to the fact that governments are using public funds for software, so therefore it's only right that the public owns that software
 @Flohack [Or "Governments should only be allowed to use FOSS software" is no solution], In a true democracy, people should be able to decide that their country have to go that way.
 Hmm if you buy a software you also most of the time just buy a license. Why would that be different for public money, taxes vs your private money
[14:22] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> i asked
 @Oxy Kali [whatsapp work on anbox], some people have been able to use it, though it is quite limited from running on an android host phone. anbox is also quite experimental right now, and doesn't work on all devices
[14:24] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @dohbee [some people have been able to use it, though it is quite limited from running on …], oh i have mi a2
 @libremax [In a true democracy, people should be able to decide that their country have to …], Basically they are able to do that, by voting for a party the has this promise. But its a typical misunderstanding of what democracy can do: Do you really expect that 35 million of some country XY are well-informed enough to even understand the
[14:24] <ubptgbot> question?
 You cannot let all people decide about everything, the society will come to a halt, just hating each other
[14:25] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @dohbee [some people have been able to use it, though it is quite limited from running on …], with snapdragon 660 and 4 go ram
 @Flohack [Basically they are able to do that, by voting for a party the has this promise. …], if you present it in a way that can be understood by the masses, and get the message out, yes, they can be informed
 @Flohack [You cannot let all people decide about everything, the society will come to a ha …], speaking of not having philosophical metrics, i think we're getting off topic. :)
 True ^^
 when will the redmi 5 plus gets Ubuntu touch officially...
 @cupidz_foe [when will the redmi 5 plus gets Ubuntu touch officially...], When enough people get to work on it, I guess. That's the case with every single phone out there.
 @Oxy Kali [with snapdragon 660 and 4 go ram], doesn't matter. it depends on whether the porter did the work to enable anbox or not, though even if so anbox itself is still quite experimental. all we can really tell you is to try and see if it works well enough for you. there will be significantly increased battery usage and such though, wi
[14:27] <ubptgbot> th anbox
 @elsandosgrande [When enough people get to work on it, I guess. That's the case with every single …], ok bro.. thanks
[14:28] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @dohbee [doesn't matter. it depends on whether the porter did the work to enable anbox or …], okay i test it
 A quick question. which programming languages are used most extensively in Ubuntu Touch?
 @Flohack [Basically they are able to do that, by voting for a party the has this promise. …], It's a typical misunderstanding to believe indirect democracy is the only way possible.
 @elsandosgrande [A quick question. which programming languages are used most extensively in Ubunt …], C/C++, JavaScript, QML, Python i guess. some golang and vala in a few components
 Thank you!
 @libremax [It's a typical misunderstanding to believe indirect democracy is the only way po …], wink wink nudge nudge https://t.me/UBportsOF if people want to keep discussing off topic things :)
 @libremax [It's a typical misunderstanding to believe indirect democracy is the only way po …], I am happy to misunderstand it :) buts its offtopic so lets be silent here
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 @elsandosgrande [A quick question. which programming languages are used most extensively in Ubunt …], If you use clickabke to make a default app starting point, it gives you a few languages with some simple bindings. … However, Rodney is right with which languages that have been majoritally used in Ubuntu Touch.
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[15:36] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> How can I make (free) calls via internet in UT, like Signal on Android? Free worldwide encrypted videl calling is a really nice feature to stay in touch with friends ...
[15:36] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> [Edit] How can I make (free) calls via internet in UT, like Signal on Android? Free worldwide encrypted video calling is a really nice feature to stay in touch with friends ...
 FWEVL
 @silasantanaa [FWEVL], are you a person? did you join this group to discuss/follow Ubuntu Touch?
 @dohbee [are you a person? did you join this group to discuss/follow Ubuntu Touch?], of course
 free worldwide encrypted video calling FWEVL
 @X YZ [How can I make (free) calls via internet in UT, like Signal on Android? Free wor …], People here before were recommending linphone for SIP calls, not really sure what else. Axolotl is a signal client available for ut, but as far as I know it doesn't implement calling.
 @X YZ [How can I make (free) calls via internet in UT, like Signal on Android? Free wor …], there's no native video calling apps. there is a linphone app to do SIP voice calls
 @silasantanaa [free worldwide encrypted video calling FWEVL], I can't find that in the store, is it an abbreviation for something?
 F free W world ...............
 @silasantanaa [F free W world ...............], O right
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 @silasantanaa [free worldwide encrypted video calling FWEVL], Don't you mean VC :p
 [Edit] free worldwide encrypted video calling FWEVC
 @Fuseteam [Don't you mean VC :p], Video Calling ;P
 Yes VC :p
 sneaky edit eh?
 well played
 @silasantanaa [FWEVL], demo amai >:3
 [Edit] FWEVC
 @Fuseteam [sneaky edit eh?], you got me
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 Can anyone tell me about experiences with Nexus 7 please, I'm looking at buying a tablet to try Ubuntu touch on and this is one I can find available locally.
 :p
 @Markj76 [Can anyone tell me about experiences with Nexus 7 please, I'm looking at buying …], 2013 WiFi, not the 2012
 @Markj76 [Can anyone tell me about experiences with Nexus 7 please, I'm looking at buying …], It is underpowered and slow but can be got very cheap in some places
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 @Markj76 [/Is there a better place than ubports site for list of devices as that looked li …], that the only site we have, if its "underpowered" it due to the specs not due to things not working, the nexus 7 is also not the only tablet on that list
 @Markj76 [/Is there a better place than ubports site for list of devices as that looked li …], [Edit] that the only site we have, if its "underpowered" it due to the specs and its age, not due to things not working, the nexus 7 is also not the only tablet on that list
 I need boot image for redmi 8 (olive)
 The Xperia tablet is worth considering
 @parmodiris [I need boot image for redmi 8 (olive)], Please don't cross post
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 @Stereofont [Please don't cross post], Ok, sorry
[18:19] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @joeth [People here before were recommending linphone for SIP calls, not really sure wha …], Thanks for pointing out linphone - will check that out. 👍 … Any experience with Jitsi and UT anybody?
 @X YZ [Thanks for pointing out linphone - will check that out. 👍 … Any experience with J …], main issue right now with video chat in browser, is that qtwebengine (aka chromium) only works with v4l2 for camera, and doesn't use the qt camera/multimedia backend stuff
 @Fuseteam [that the only site we have, if its "underpowered" it due to the specs and its ag …], I have read and reread the list, am I blind or am I trying to find a Sony Z4 for sale?
 that list is not a list for devices for sale :p
 if it's not on the list the device is not supported and ubuntu touch will need to be ported for said device
 Which phones (not tablets) are Android subsystem-agnostic?
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 @TartanSpartan [Which phones (not tablets) are Android subsystem-agnostic?], Could you rephrase the question? I don't understand
 what do you mean?
 @TartanSpartan [Which phones (not tablets) are Android subsystem-agnostic?], you want a phone that has no android components at all? only pinephone currently i guess
 @Fuseteam [that list is not a list for devices for sale :p], I know they aren't for sale I was just asking if by other tablets that weren't under powered you meant the Sony. As you state the one I was able to find to buy was not powerful enough to run properly and rather than advising simply state that others are in list.
 Because my understanding is that only those without Android subsystems will be guaranteed for LTS. Thank you Rodney.
 @Markj76 [I know they aren't for sale I was just asking if by other tablets that weren't u …], there's the pinetab and M10 for example 👀
 @Fuseteam [there's the pinetab and M10 for example 👀], Pinetab is out of stock and still stating more stock July, so not looking like a real world option and M10 is same spec as Nexus 7 so wouldn't that be underpowered too?
 What application do you need power for? I find the M10 hefty enough apart from the RAM limits how many apps can be up at once.
 [Edit] What use case do you need power for? I find the M10 hefty enough apart from the RAM limits how many apps can be up at once.
 is it the same spec? i have heard reasonable feedback on the m10, but don't take my word for i own neither of the two
 @TartanSpartan [What use case do you need power for? I find the M10 hefty enough apart from the …], I am just looking to give Ubuntu touch a try and due to lockdown have lots of time to try things but limited options for buying. Would I be better porting to newer devices?
 @Markj76 [I am just looking to give Ubuntu touch a try and due to lockdown have lots of ti …], if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i guess you'd have to do a port
 @dohbee [if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i gues …], I just wanted to try it before going that route but it is quite limited on devices and with so many stores closed at present I'm a bit stuck as if Amazon or eBay can't help it's a no go
[19:36] <ubptgbot> Satish Upadhyay was added by: Satish Upadhyay
 Look at android 9 devices
 From a well known OEM
 @Markj76 [I just wanted to try it before going that route but it is quite limited on devic …], This is in reply to this
 @dohbee [if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i gues …], Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet is far more poweful than a nexus 7 2013.
 Make sure kernel source exists
 @dohbee [if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i gues …], [Edit] Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet is far more poweful than a nexus 7 2013: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/karin/
[19:43] <ubptgbot> <Andy Bleaden> @dohbee [if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i gues …], Well the other way is to hover the pine tab forum on pine64 for someone looking to sell theirs (I have been tempted many times but like tinkering)
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Andy Bleaden> But you may want domething more powerful
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Andy Bleaden> Something sorry
 @libremax [Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet is far more poweful than a nexus 7 2013: https://devices.u …], oh if someone already did a port for it then great
 @dohbee [oh if someone already did a port for it then great], I don't think the community is really developed enough for a rapid growth, I think I will get some old tablets and use them to progress the /e/ project as I'm getting the vibe that the Ubuntu touch os is too bloated for the devices it is aimed at.
 uh what
 Why "bloated"? care to explain?
 If what you want is continuing to use /e/ that's fine, but I don't think our OS is bloated, quite the opposite.
 Yeah bloated is a super ambiguous term.
 I actually think that UBports UT is the most mature from battery management and usabillity side (at least right now)
 Just curious as to why the Gitlab issue list for the Pinephone also includes those for the PInetab?
 Same hardware mainly? I think they share soc
 And even cameras and all
 Hmmm I see.
[20:46] <ubptgbot> <Gerald Ryan> 🥰Thanks you all very much for your wonderful feedback we're happy that you are benefiting from our Service / program we promise you that we shall not relent in making you win & make more money … @CAPITAL_FX009
 @Markj76 [I don't think the community is really developed enough for a rapid growth, I thi …], uh what?
 @Fuseteam [uh what?], hey that was my line, get your own :P
 @Markj76 [I don't think the community is really developed enough for a rapid growth, I thi …], uh what
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jL0ZsspD.webp
 @dohbee [hey that was my line, get your own :P], no :P
 How do I structure the maintenance of "my" ubports for bq x2?
 what do you mean?
 i think the question is about how to get it into installer and CI?
 @dohbee [i think the question is about how to get it into installer and CI?], The one further I want to fix it first so the end user has no problems
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean?], Regarding the bugs that I do not detect with daily use
 are you porting it?
 @Fuseteam [are you porting it?], Yes
 @CinicoDoc [The one further I want to fix it first so the end user has no problems], are you looking for testers?
 @Fuseteam [are you looking for testers?], There doesn't seem to be much demand for this device
 @CinicoDoc [Yes], ah, are you in @halium and @ubports_porting?
 @Fuseteam [ah, are you in @halium and @ubports_porting?], Yes
 @CinicoDoc [There doesn't seem to be much demand for this device], i don't think many in this group owns one i guess
 @CinicoDoc [Yes], i think you'll get an answer more easily @ubports_porting
 @Fuseteam [i don't think many in this group owns one i guess], I think I'm the only one who has it, only me in this group of bq x2 talked about it
 @Fuseteam [i think you'll get an answer more easily @ubports_porting], Ok thanks
 good luck o/
 @Fuseteam [good luck o/], thanks a lot
[21:39] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> There is also a group "UBPorts BQ".
 ohw?
 i'm on the bq e5, what's the group for?
 👀👀
[21:42] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Amy got that started. Not much happening there as ofqnow ...but that could change.
 hmmm
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Might make sense to focus bq-specific things there, easier to find.
 there's not much that is really bq centric tho
[21:45] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Tenshi has its own group, though ....
 isn't tenshi a port in progress?
[21:46] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Fuseteam [there's not much that is really bq centric tho], Sad, but true. Nice devices, gut bq has now dropped from the net.
 it has?
 dang the build quality is really nice too
[21:47] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Fuseteam [isn't tenshi a port in progress?], Try bq.com ...
 bq was acquired by vsmart and is now slowly deleting everything
 ooof
[21:48] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Tenshi is well advance, thanks go guf. Ota seems the main remaining challenge.
 the least they could've left us is the kernel device and vendor trees for the bq devices :x
[21:49] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @CinicoDoc [bq was acquired by vsmart and is now slowly deleting everything], Got my unlock code from them just in time before they disappeared.
 @X YZ [Got my unlock code from them just in time before they disappeared.], Unlock code?
 @Fuseteam [the least they could've left us is the kernel device and vendor trees for the bq …], For safety I would save all the sources so I don't live with the anxiety that they could delete everything even on GitHub
[21:53] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Fuseteam [the least they could've left us is the kernel device and vendor trees for the bq …], There may be help in a mostly spanish bq group in tg, there seemed to be (former?) Bq devs there.
 Internet archive time
 Might have some e4.5 firmware somewhere
 Android
 i don't have them, now i'm not sure anyone has them
 @Fuseteam [i don't have them, now i'm not sure anyone has them], What e4.5 android?
[21:54] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @CinicoDoc [Unlock code?], For bootloader
 @X YZ [There may be help in a mostly spanish bq group in tg, there seemed to be (former …], ohw i'm particularly wondering about the bq e5 and m10 of the supported devices
 @X YZ [There may be help in a mostly spanish bq group in tg, there seemed to be (former …], [Edit] ohw i'm particularly wondering about the bq e4.5, bq e5 and m10 of the supported devices
 @X YZ [For bootloader], Ah, do they have a code to unlock the bootloader? I did not know
 @amyosx [What e4.5 android?], whatever we need to rebuild the kernel/ update the phones :3
 Lol kernel is foss
[21:57] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @CinicoDoc [Ah, do they have a code to unlock the bootloader? I did not know], Bought an x5+ used ans needed a flashtool + code from them - and ubuntu 16.04 to run it.
 the idea that the bq devices at some point because we can't rebuild the kernel/can only do so much has been floating around for a while
 [Edit] the idea that the bq devices will be dropped at some point because we can't rebuild the kernel/can only do so much has been floating around for a while
 @amyosx [Lol kernel is foss], drivers :p
[21:58] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Would be sad...
 @X YZ [Bought an x5+ used ans needed a flashtool + code from them - and ubuntu 16.04 to …], Ah okay thanks
 Yeah archive it now
 @Fuseteam [the idea that the bq devices will be dropped at some point because we can't rebu …], In what sense can we no longer rebuild it?
 @Fuseteam [the idea that the bq devices will be dropped at some point because we can't rebu …], not the kernel. the vendor/device part and recovery
 not sure of the full details, rodney may know :p
 kernel source was published
 ah there we go
 Mirroring anyway
 i hope the vendor/device/recovery aren't lost now :x
 [Edit] i hope the vendor/device/recovery aren't completely lost now :x
 Got the 1.5 firmware
 The ubuntu touch firmware is saved
 For e4.5
 Others I have nothing to do with uhhh
 Between I start saving all the sources from bq and there is a guy who is collecting and uploading all the bq firmware to a telegram
 that's a step i suppose 🤔
 @Fuseteam [that's a step i suppose 🤔], Passage for what?
 👀
 He means that is some sort of progress 😀
[23:55] <ubptgbot> kokonutti was added by: kokonutti
 Hiya
 I'm interested installing Ubuntu touch on a nexus 7 I 6m
 [Edit] I'm interested installing Ubuntu touch on a nexus 7 have laying around
 Is apt? Available?
 Is it reliable to use?
 Be
 Because Ubuntu Bluetooth and  WiFi etc seem to be working, I was thinking making this a secondary laptop
 Is touch eve.
 [Edit] Is touch even capable of running desktop software?
 The website was r
 [Edit] The website wasn't very helpful about this
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 [Edit] @  me if someone knows, I'm heading to sleep rn, just had to get my questions written down before I fall asleep and forget