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Eickmeyero/23:00
toddyo/23:00
Eickmeyer2 more for quorum.23:01
* Eickmeyer pokes jose and teward with a 4x4.23:02
josegive me a minute23:02
Eickmeyerhaha k23:02
joseI'm finishing cooking a mugcake23:02
toddy:)23:02
EickmeyerOoooo! You and your sugary treats.23:02
josesugar-free though :P it's a keto mugcake23:03
EickmeyerOhhh... you and your sweet yet weight-loss treats.23:03
toddycake is cake. nice :)23:03
Eickmeyer^ Facts.23:03
jose^ true23:03
joseI'm ready now23:03
EickmeyerStill missing 1 of teward, nhaines, or lina.23:04
* Eickmeyer just tried pinging teward using other channels23:04
tewardi am around but feeling a tiny bit bleh23:05
EickmeyerAh.23:05
EickmeyerWell, there's quorum.23:05
tewardate waaaaay too much at lunch...23:05
Eickmeyerwxl: Are you here?23:05
* Eickmeyer guesses no wxl23:06
josewe have quorum23:07
EickmeyerWho wants to chair?23:07
* Eickmeyer not it23:07
tewardnotme today23:07
teward*points at jose* they need to :P23:07
jose#startmeeting23:07
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Nov 18 23:07:26 2020 UTC.  The chair is jose. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.23:07
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick23:07
joseWelcome to the CC meeting23:07
jose#chair Eickmeyer teward toddy23:07
meetingologyCurrent chairs: Eickmeyer jose teward toddy23:07
joseso, what's up23:08
joseany topics y'all would like to discuss today?23:08
joseI do have one but would like to open the floor to all of you first23:08
wxlsorry it's been a day23:08
teward#topic Technical Board23:08
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Technical Board
josewxl you joining us for now?23:08
wxli'm here23:09
tewardnothing from Mark on the nominees so we'll have to extend existing TB through End of Year23:09
jose#chair Eickmeyer teward toddy wxl23:09
meetingologyCurrent chairs: Eickmeyer jose teward toddy wxl23:09
joseI did send him a reminder another way23:09
tewardIs there any objection with extending the existing TB members anyways until End of Year so that we have a TB in the interim?  We don't know when Mark'll get his nominees list in.23:09
josenone from me23:10
EickmeyerYeah, I'm all for extending TB through EOY. I doubt we'll be able to get through elections before EOY.23:10
wxlfine with me23:10
josehowever23:10
toddyfor me also fine23:10
joseI do suggest we reach out to them proactively and make sure that they're aware of the decision23:10
joseand if anyone wants to resign, they have the opportunity to do so gracefully23:10
wxli say we continue to approach mark about it and perhaps suggest some other alternative, such as taking nominees as normal and allowing himm to confirm them as with the cc23:10
Eickmeyer^ Yes, I agree.23:10
josewhat do you think23:10
EickmeyerSo nominations curated by Mark? That could work.23:11
tewardnominations have always been curated by Mark for TB23:11
wxlwe make a call for nominations and then pass that to him to confirm23:11
wxlthat at least eliminates some of the work required23:12
EickmeyerTrue, that would be less onMark's plate.23:12
joseI have made sure that he gets the message though23:12
joseso we'll have an answer before EOY :)23:12
EickmeyerSo, let's let it sit for another two weeks with existing TB extended to EOY then.23:13
EickmeyerIf nothing, then we get more proactive.23:13
joseI agree that's a good choice.23:13
wxli mean i can imagine sorting through all of the ubuntu developers to find appropriate candidates that want to sit on the board is a rather tiring situation23:13
tewardI'm not opposed to discussing changing how TB is staffed, but I think we need, for now, to keep the process as is, and propose any changes to that to Mark23:13
tewardand simply keep existing TB members through EOY given our proximity to the end of the year23:14
Eickmeyerwxl: I agree, but I think, considering *how* jose got through to him, that we need to sit this out a little longer.23:14
wxlworks for me23:14
joseany objections about the proposals above?23:14
toddyhi linaporras23:15
linaporrasHi, sorry for the late23:15
jose#chair Eickmeyer teward toddy wxl linaporras23:15
meetingologyCurrent chairs: Eickmeyer jose linaporras teward toddy wxl23:15
teward#action teward to extend current TB members roles through EOY and notify TB about it as well.23:15
meetingologyACTION: teward to extend current TB members roles through EOY and notify TB about it as well.23:15
tewardbecause we at least agreed on THAT23:15
joseand don't forget to document it in the bug please :)23:15
tewardthats a given ;)23:15
jose:partyparrot:23:15
wxlwhat's next?23:16
josegood then23:16
joseI was just going to ask that :)23:16
toddy#topic LoCo Council nomination23:16
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wxlsince we're all chairs, i'm not who the actual one running the show is XD23:16
joseI am, but any of you can run commands :)23:17
Eickmeyerjose is *the* chair.23:17
jose:tada:23:17
toddyWe have not received enough nominations for the LoCo council after our call.23:17
wxlEickmeyer: does that make you the stool?23:17
tewardwxl: jose's in the hotseat today, we just have perms to run the commands now lol.23:17
toddyhi nhaines23:17
Eickmeyerwxl: Usually. Because I'm always the butt of the joke when tsimonq2 isn't around (shameless ping because reasons)23:17
linaporrasI  have a commment on that23:17
linaporras#idea23:18
tewardnot a command.  just make your comment RE: LoCo Council23:18
tewardsince that's the item we're looking at now23:18
linaporrasRE: LoCo Council23:18
wxlEickmeyer: fair point https://phab.lubuntu.me/file/data/vcfkt6x656czh7ao52u5/PHID-FILE-p7x4hnakcjuzjrp4nqey/simon_s_fault.jpg23:19
Eickmeyer^ Yep. I know that reference, wxl! haha23:19
jose#chair Eickmeyer teward toddy wxl linaporras nhaines23:19
meetingologyCurrent chairs: Eickmeyer jose linaporras nhaines teward toddy wxl23:19
toddywxl: :D23:19
wxllinaporras: what are you thinking23:20
wxl?23:20
EickmeyerWow, not only quorum, but FULL COUNCIL!!!23:20
toddyyes23:20
nhaines\o/23:20
linaporrasRE: LoCo Council   I think that before an election we should take a look on the current status of the LoCos, which are active, how many members, and review the pending approvals of ubuntu members. Also I propose that with an initial status, we also see if is prudent to elect, or just empower the LoCos, and after that go to elections23:20
linaporrasI was writing, sorry for the delay..... since been a long time not using IRC also... but, that's the idea for that topic!23:21
toddyhow do we get a current status of the LoCos?23:21
josewe'd have to email loco contacts with an announcement and poll ourselves23:21
wxlthis sounds a little bit like what i was thinking but i do know that one of the things that we've kind of always needed is a way for canonical to verify the validity of some indvidual or individuals to represent ubuntu at conferences and to get funding and resources related to that23:22
josetoddy, could you please mention some of the ideas that were mentioned today in the mailing list23:22
wxlwhich is why there is the whole loco verification thing23:22
joseas the mailing list is private23:22
joseand then I do have a comment, after toddy has debriefed :)23:22
linaporrasThat's a task, start reviewing Launchpad... and look for another way to contact people, in my LoCo there is active people, but we a fe years ago were discussing about the tools... because for many people was difficult to complete the process, so we were in real bigger thant the launchpad team...23:23
toddyWe have discussed at the mailing list if we make a second call.23:23
toddyOr if we change the focus of the candidates23:24
EickmeyerAnother idea was to change the idea of LoCos altogether.23:24
toddyso that we are maybe should search for people who wants to change the process23:24
linaporrasI am reading the list... maybe a meeting with the people that is still active, and listen what's going on, what are the barriers, coudl be a good idea...23:25
joseso, what about this23:26
EickmeyerIn the US, LoCos are pretty much dead. I, for one, have never been verified by a LoCo.23:26
linaporrasI suggest this before thinkin in changing the process... or calling again to elections...23:26
wxli think it's safe to say that the lack of interested candidates is probably a sign for concern23:27
Eickmeyer^ Agreed.23:27
nhainesI agree.23:27
josesince we've been having difficulties, we convoke for a transition committee, who will help us in making that assessment and providing conclusions about the current status of the LoCo teams23:27
toddyI like the idea to discuss this topic with the loco contacts23:27
wxlperhaps we should reach out to previous council members and see if there are interested parties23:27
linaporras(talk with people not limited to people that is launchpad)23:27
josepeeps, I want to finish my idea without messages getting lost, one at a time?23:27
linaporrasagree with wxl23:27
josesince we've been having difficulties, we convoke for a transition committee, who will help us in making that assessment and providing conclusions about the current status of the LoCo teams23:27
wxljose: convoke?! i have never heard that word before and i'm the one who is actually from an english speaking country! go you.23:28
josethey can do whatever they deem necessary in order to analyze the status of loco teams23:28
joseemailing the mailing list, holding interviews23:28
josemaybe analyzing "the market"23:28
joseand then, they come up with a report saying23:28
jose1.- what is the current status23:28
jose2.- how can we improve participation23:29
jose3.- any and all recommendations they have in order to improve the experience of loco teams (or if they wanna revamp them)23:29
josethat's it23:29
josewhat do y'all think23:29
tewardI'm just going to put this out there though in the interim:23:29
linaporrasI am not a fan of comittees, prefer a meeting as wxl suggest and also... inviting more people... and maybe this is daring but evalutin not necessary this channel as the channel for that meeting.23:29
tewardLoCo Teams are currently going to be impacted globally by the Pandemic23:29
wxli assume you think that committee would be a subset of the cc?23:30
tewardso that's one factor to consider in any way we move forward.23:30
linaporras*evaluating...23:30
joseI suggess the committee be a group of 3-5 people who we delegate to make this decision23:30
joseoverseen by the community council, of course23:31
wxli interpret teward's thought two ways:23:31
wxl 1. the need for people to get verified for funds and resources are going to be small, if at all23:31
wxl  (meaning we have some time)23:31
linaporrasI think that for start this task we should all get involved, and having this meeting then plan a strategy...23:31
wxl 2. the activity may be decreased (so our investigations may not be indicative of "normal" activity)23:32
josewe would have to analyze historical data23:32
joseI can tell you for a fact the big decline happened in 2017ish23:32
josewe can mark 2020 with an asterisk, but the current level of participation is mostly an indicator of previous participation23:32
josewe could even give it a 50% handicap23:33
joseEickmeyer, toddy, would love to hear your thoughts on the proposal23:33
josenhaines too23:34
EickmeyerI honestly don't know. I feel as though the historical verification reason for the LoCos might not exist at all.23:34
wxlright. so maybe for now we say that the cc will be responsibile for any verification that needs to happen. there aren't a lot of these happening, so that's probably not a big deal. i do like the idea of getting some more data together before making further decisions. and having a delegated group to do this is something i like (we've got a bunch of stuff on our plates so we probably don't want to go23:34
wxlcrazy)23:34
joseyeah of course, we can take the verification responsibilities in the meantime, but I would like to get that committee together to analyze what we have23:34
joseI know of teams like US-AZ, for example, that still hold meetings :)23:35
EickmeyerBut are they functioning as a LoCo or a LUG?23:35
joseI haven't checked, but as meetingology's owner, I get messages saying they have ended a meeting :)23:36
toddywe can try it out with a committee. I think we should have in there some of active members of the locos23:36
nhainesI think contacting the teams that are verified or became unruffled I'm the last two years would be a good start.23:36
nhaines*unverified in the last two years23:36
joseright, but that in and of itself is a huge task. which is why I think a committee is a good idea23:36
josebe it verified or unverified23:36
nhainesOh no, I see autocorrect has decided to sabotage me today! :)23:37
EickmeyerI can also think of a few teams that need to be dissolved, if they aren't already.23:37
wxli would like to see the committee include members of locos that are active and excited, even if they aren't verified23:37
josetotally!23:37
EickmeyerYep.23:37
toddy+123:37
nhaines+123:38
joseI would, however, require these people be ubuntu members.23:38
wxland preferably, across a wide geographical makeup23:38
jose^23:38
Eickmeyerwb linaporras23:38
wxlwe can't just have people from asia or just from europe and certainly not just from north america23:38
joseif they are not ubuntu members but we feel like they have had enough participation like to become an ubuntu member, we can always ask them to go through the process23:38
linaporrasI lost my connection :'(23:38
josetotally believe in diversity23:38
josewelcome back!23:39
wxlagree with the ubuntu members thing23:39
wxlthe reason i want to see the wide grographical makeup is not because of diversity but because i think truly each location has different needs and it would be nice to see those represented as well as they can be23:39
joseLina, I'm going to send you all the conversation we just had via PM so you can review23:39
joseand we're going to give you a couple minutes to catch up in case you surface any concerns, risks, or questions23:40
tewardagree with wxl on the wide needs dispersion and representation of different areas' needs.23:40
linaporrasthank u jose23:40
tewardAnd point #3 that was not seen by wxl in my regard of COVID was this:23:40
tewardif LoCo teams need funding for events, etc. we can't reliably approve/etc. any of that because of the nature of the current Pandemic23:41
jose+1 to the globality, diversity, and inclusion part23:41
tewardtherefore #1 and #2 that wxl said is accurate.23:41
joseunless they're in a covid-free country :)23:41
tewardbut also that we need to keep this pandemic in mind with anything LoCo related because of local issues with the various issues this ongoing chaos year is bringing to regions and areas.23:42
tewardjose: you mean Antarctica right?  :P23:42
joseNew Zealand!23:42
joseor Australia!23:42
linaporrasjajaja, some African countries reports low cases of COVID...23:42
joseThe pandemic, however, is also forcing us to re-think our strategies23:42
linaporrasWell... I have a question... form my ignorance... the membership board is having the meetings for new members approval... jus to verify... because I am not sure23:42
wxlyes linaporras23:43
joseYes, they are.23:43
joseAnd I got the list of nominations23:43
linaporrasthank u!23:43
joseI just need to make it pretty, officially present it to you, and we can go from there23:43
wxlthe membership board overall is doing pretty good. there's still interest in helping with the board, people still want to be members, etc.23:43
wxli will also say that the past few boards have done some heavy lifting to improve documentation and such, so that's a pretty healthy project23:44
toddywxl: yes, I agree23:44
tewardunrelated FYI I have a hard-stop at 19:00 my time (15 minutes) as i have another meeting for work I *must* be in (IT Security related heavy discussionss)23:45
tewardso if I just die in 15 minutes that's why ^23:45
Eickmeyer^ Same, hard-stop at 16:00 my time, work meeting.23:45
wxlok let's move forward23:45
josetoddy, nhaines, linaporras, Eickmeyer, wxl: last call for concerns and queries about the committee project23:45
toddymy bed is waiting in 15 min23:45
wxlit sounds like we're in agreement here. so how do we form this committee?23:45
linaporrasI want ot participate in that mission23:46
linaporras*to23:46
joseI would prefer if we act in observation23:46
nhainesI feel like we have a good plan to start getting things going again.23:46
joseSo, next steps for the committee:23:46
wxli would be open to letting lina suggest candidates23:46
joseoh, totally23:47
joseso, next steps:23:47
linaporrasI disagree.... I think that we need to be active in this... and thats the reason I want to participate..23:47
jose1.- Define the criteria to form the committee and the number of members it'll have based on our diversity expectations23:47
linaporrasDiverse...23:47
linaporras3 to 5 members23:47
jose2.- Put out a call for nominations for the committee23:47
jose3.- Vote, select, give a timeframe and scope of work23:48
joseand then they can get rolling23:48
joseI think we should discuss and draft the criteria in the ML and then come back here in two weeks to report results23:48
joseLina, I don't say that you won't be able to participate, but rather that we shouldn't be direct members of the committee23:48
joseWe would oversee the committee and the work that they do, but we have bigger and other varied responsibilities here23:49
wxli agree23:49
toddyok23:49
joseSo, of course we can get involved with the work, but we should delegate this work23:49
wxlthat said, if one or more of us wants to actively participate, i don't think that's a bad idea23:49
wxlecho23:49
joseright, but as outside members providing feedback to this independent entity23:49
joseand super valuable feedback considering our experience23:50
linaporrasCould be... If I have luck, I will have reach some people from locos to listen them separetly and se the intentions to participate... I think that is an important point...   I will try to reach the ubuntu members and the information from locos... to see how we can achieve representativeness, and how can we start moving people23:50
linaporras*see23:50
linaporrasis that ok for u all?23:50
joseof course, if you have any recommendations they're more than welcome to nominate themselves for the committee23:51
joseand if they're not yet an Ubuntu Member, they can apply for membership23:51
linaporrasYes!23:51
linaporrasThat's an excellent point!23:51
toddyfine23:51
joseor you can also nominate them yourself23:51
joseanyone wants to put this to a vote, or are we all good to go with what's been listed so far?23:52
wxlso jose you going to send something to the ML about criteria and such?23:52
joseunless toddy wants to inherit it23:52
wxli'm not hearing much in the way of dissention so it sounds like we should move forward23:52
josebut I'd be happy to own it23:52
toddyI think, we don't need a vote23:52
joseEickmeyer, teward, nhaines?23:52
EickmeyerNo objection.23:52
tewardno objections here23:52
joseI'll give them 30 secs before I move to the other topic23:52
teward*salts jose for delay*23:53
wxlok any takers for defining the criteria? else it goes to jose23:53
nhainesI think we're good so far.23:53
tewardnot it :P23:53
wxlnot it23:53
Eickmeyernot it23:53
jose>.>23:53
joseokay, in the interest of time I'll take it and then we can discuss if it needs to shift around23:53
wxl(this is not representative of my interest in the subject, just trying to be wise with my time)23:53
* Eickmeyer started a new job and has a bit of a full plate now23:53
josecongrats!23:53
josedoes anyone have aob they'd like to bring to the meeting?23:54
wxlyes congrats indeed23:54
joseotherwise I'll go with mine23:54
wxli think those were the two big hot things23:54
EickmeyerIn the interest of time, Go jose.23:54
jose#topic Membership Board Elections23:54
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tewardRE: TB we all knew going into today we might have toget that extended so :P23:54
josethings are moving forward with the MB elections23:54
josethey've sent over a list of 7-8 nominations23:54
wxlwe have all the nominees yes?23:55
joseyes23:55
joseI just need to put it in a nice list for you to just see and we can take a peek23:55
wxlyes that would be preferable23:55
joseI *think* we'll have a quorum23:55
josedoes anyone have any questions about that?23:55
joseI'd say it's all smooth sailing for now23:55
wxlyes i think that will go rather quick and easy23:55
wxli will say something about elections: i found more than a few bugs in our script to generate emails, if anyone is bored and wants something to do :)23:56
joseI don't think this one needs a general vote23:56
tewardonce I see the list of nominations I'll provide my 2 cents if we need to reject a nominee - I haven't seen the list yet due to chaotic workplace23:56
josejust outs23:56
joseno prob23:56
joseI'll make sure that we get all of your perspectives23:56
jose#topic Any other business?23:57
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joseanything else anyone wants to bring to the table?23:57
tewardyeah where's my coffee you promised me :P23:57
teward(jk)23:57
joseI'll send you a starbucks gift card shortly23:57
nhainesI'll have a tea, please!23:57
wxlanyone else from the general public?23:57
wxltea for me, too, please.23:57
wxland not from starbucks XD23:57
tewardjust send me $20 via Venmo, i'll call it even xD  (yes myself and jose and everyone joke around a lot, it's just us being kind)23:57
linaporrasjajaja23:57
teward(and friendly)23:57
tewardoh right23:57
tewardone note on the TB thing23:58
* wxl never jokes and is always incredibly serious, including right now23:58
tewardI already sent the email to the TB and cc'd the CC about the extension and updated the bug23:58
tewardjust for awareness :)23:58
josethanks a lot for your proactiveness :)23:58
joseEickmeyer, toddy, any other business you'd like to discuss?23:58
toddyjose: no23:58
wxloh23:58
EickmeyerI've got nothing.23:58
josewxl, got something?23:58
wxldid we make any progress getting access to discourse?23:58
josethanks for reminding me23:59
joseno23:59
joseI was going to ping IS today and then got swamped by meetings23:59
wxland what was it you were contacting rt about yesterday toddy?23:59
joseI'll set a reminder to do it at 9am my time tomorrow23:59
toddythe pad, wxl23:59
tewardjose: I think IS got swamped with issues with security.u.c today23:59
wxloh right23:59
toddythe pad was broken23:59
nhainesI think I might have elevated rights on Discourse.23:59
tewardso today would've been a bad poke day anyways23:59
toddyso they have restore the etherpad23:59
josejust pinged them regardless23:59

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