[00:02] <RoseBus> do you think microsoft will ever release office for linux?
[00:08] <user217_> can I get some help please with my network that I cant configure in vps ? I need to create some bridge with host via netplan
[00:08] <user217_> I run ubuntu-cloud via libvirt
[00:40] <thumbfinger> Is there an up-to-date resource to supplement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent ?  It is out of date, some of the options it say to use don't even exist anymore, and even in a normal install boot USB, persistence doesn't seem to work.  I basically just want to be able to boot a desktop environment from my USB that does not have any install functionality built-in (with a real user account that requires a
[00:40] <thumbfinger> password)
[00:41] <oerheks> mkusb is a proper tool for a persistence usb, https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[00:42] <oerheks> mkusb can create persistent live drives that work in both UEFI and BIOS mode
[00:42] <thumbfinger> Thank you, looking now.
[00:44] <thumbfinger> Just curious, why is casper-rw necessary?  Is there any reason it can't write to the installed system directly?  Is there any performance loss that accumulates as I update the system?
[00:45] <thumbfinger> I found an article that appears to explain it.
[02:26] <backthen> I installed Ubuntu first, then installing Win10 in the File partition of Ubuntu which is ntfs. Is this ugly or standard?
[02:27] <mefistofeles> backthen: I don't understand, what do you mean by "in the File partition of Ubuntu"?
[02:27] <backthen> mefistofeles: when I was installing ubuntu, it formed two partitions: File(ntfs) and System(gpt)
[02:36] <Bashing-om> backthen: NTFS is Windows file system - ubuntu expects and needs a linux (there are several) file system to install too. Care to share what your current partitioning scheme is ?
[02:40] <backthen> Bashing-om: the drive has existing Windows partitions (system, restore, etc) but no Win OS installed. Then when I install Ubuntu, it auto split the remaining storage into File and System partitions. And because File is Ntfs, I later installed Win10 onto it. All in all, all partitions for both OS exist. And both OS work
[02:41] <Bashing-om> backthen: I bet all is good = ' sudo parted -l ' -shows the ununtu partition as a ext4 file sysyem ?
[02:45] <backthen> Bashing-om: I see five. Two ntfs, fat32, ext4, and unlabeled one for MS reserved partition
[02:46] <Bashing-om> backthen: Looks like golden then to me :D
[02:48] <backthen> Bashing-om: hehe. I didn't intentionally do it this way. Just wonder for people who do dual boot on the same drive, is this the usual approach
[02:50] <Bashing-om> backthen: Many ways to orchastate the install - depending on skill level - simplest/easiest is just select "install along side" and let the installer do it's magic.
[02:50] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | backthen
[03:17] <Antioch> Hello, newbie. I am trying to install zimg lib (http://zimg.buaa.us/) on Ubuntu 18.04. Although they have an ubuntu package (http://zimg.buaa.us/downloads/) it depends on imagemagick5 which isn't available in Ubuntu 18.04 -- only imagemagick6 is. Is there some way to install imagemagick5 to satisfy this dependency?
[03:18] <Antioch> Alternatively, I've installed imagemagick6 and built zimg from source (http://zimg.buaa.us/documents/install/#build-zimg) however it doesn't have a make install target and I'm not sure how to install it.
[03:23] <sarnold> imagemagick (5:6.0.7.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
[03:23] <sarnold>  -- Ryuichi Arafune <arafune@debian.org>  Mon,  6 Sep 2004 09:57:11 +0900
[03:23] <hotsoup> Good evening.  I have a problem I need a bit of guidance on.  I'm trying to move my home profile to another location.  I have a microsd drive on my machine and I want to store my profile on a 1TB microSD card.
[03:23] <sarnold> heh, a version string '5' predates ubuntu entirely...
[03:24] <sarnold> Antioch: what error message exactly do you get when trying to use their package? maybe building from source is the way to go anyway
[03:24] <Bashing-om> Antioch: Good luck - "ChangeLog >> 09/09/2014 - zimg v3.1.0" I expect it will be a real pain to make such old code to be compatible now.
[03:25] <hotsoup> The goal is my profile, (and I'm the only user on the laptop) will be on the SD but any other users can have their folder on the drive. My plan is to mount my profile folder via fstab
[03:26] <sarnold> hotsoup: note that most sd cards are utter garbage
[03:27] <hotsoup> Problem I'm having is when I do a copy routine with rclone -L /home/<user> /home/<user>/<profile folder> the file copy simply never completes.  I tried a live usb but I don't have permissions to move the folder when I'm on the live usb
[03:28] <hotsoup> sarnold:It's a sandisk SD card. Does that make a difference?
[03:28] <sarnold> hotsoup: I'm pretty sure the SD card I used in my little pandaboard was a sandisk.. granted I stored torents onto the first one.. the second one had a much easier life but it too didn't last very long
[03:29] <sarnold> if you've well and truly given /home/foo and /home/foo/something, I suspect you've made an infinite loop :)
[03:29] <hotsoup> sarnold: like how long? Months
[03:29] <sarnold> probably closer to one year for the first one, two years for the second
[03:30] <sarnold> /home/foo/something/something/something/something/something/....
[03:30] <sarnold> mount the destination drive somewhere else
[03:30] <sarnold> not underneath the thing you're copying from :)
[03:30] <hotsoup> oh. ok.  I back up my profile so would still like to try it.  I hadn't thought about creating an infinite loop.
[03:30] <sarnold> some copy utilities have a way to stay on the same filesystem and not cross boundaries; if rclone has one, that might do the trick
[03:32] <hotsoup> sarnold: so /media/<user>/<target> is symlinked into my profile directory? That would make sense as to why it fails.  Thanks much. Will work on that, perhaps mounting in /mnt only
[03:34] <hotsoup> sarnold: Thanks much.
[03:40] <Antioch> sarnold, dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of zimg: zimg depends on libmagickcore5; however:  Package libmagickcore5 is not installed.
[03:41] <Antioch> sarnold, I tried to compile zlib from source, as noted above, but there is no make install target and I'm not sure what to do with the compiled files.
[03:41] <Antioch> zimg*
[03:44] <sarnold> hotsoup: I have no idea what /media/user/target is ;) you said /home/user/profile earlier..
[03:44] <Bashing-om> Antioch: Way to old as even xenial has "/usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libMagickCore-6.Q16.a" - no idea where one could get a libmagickcore5 .
[03:45] <sarnold> trusty: 8:6.7.7.10-6ubuntu3.13, Pocket: updates, Component: main
[03:45] <sarnold> /fst/trees/ubuntu/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.7.7.10-6ubuntu3.13/debian/libmagickcore5.install
[03:45] <sarnold> it came from trusty
[03:46] <sarnold> Antioch: you could copy around the built binaries, I think, as you wish
[03:46] <sarnold> lol
[03:46] <sarnold> cd build/zimg; cmake $(PWD)/src; make -j 4; cp zimg $(PWD)/bin
[03:47] <sarnold> the 'all' step includes the copy as *part* of the build
[03:47] <sarnold> and they hardcode make -j4
[03:47] <hotsoup> sarnold: /media/user/target = where I was trying to rclone my files and seems to have created the never ending copy.
[03:47] <sarnold> terrible junk
[03:47] <Antioch> terrible junk yet a required dependency for modern VapourSynth :(
[03:51] <Antioch> sarnold, yes I saw that it has that copy as part of build, but it looks like it simply copies it to the build tree, not to a final installation destination
[03:53] <sarnold> Antioch: once it's built you do what you want with it
[03:54] <sarnold> Antioch: a lot of people put self-built binaries in /usr/local/bin/ but you may have another place in mind
[03:54]  * Antioch smacks it around with a trout
[03:54] <Antioch> Thanks, sarnold. I'm a newbie when it comes to manually handling binary installs so I'm proceeding timidly and with caution.
[03:55] <sarnold> better smack it with the trout again :)
[03:58] <mozzarella> guys help
[04:01] <Antioch> Aha. After more digging I found that there is a newer fork, I was using old junk (as you pointed out, sarnold). Moreover, I found that there is a package for ubuntu called zlib1g. The trouble now is that the ./config for the program I'm trying to build expects pkg name 'zimg'. Is there some way to help configure out and find the pkg with a different name?
[04:01] <Antioch> checking for ZIMG... no; configure: error: Package requirements (zimg) were not met:; No package 'zimg' found
[04:02]  * Bashing-om shakes his crystal ball - looking at mozzarella .
[04:02] <sarnold> Antioch: zlib is a compression library, it's unrelated to this zimg package
[04:04] <Antioch> Confusing, but this is the correct "zimg" (according to Google) https://github.com/sekrit-twc/zimg yet it calls itself 'z.lib'
[04:05] <Antioch> I suppose I'll just try compiling that source myself and seeing what happens...
[04:09] <sarnold> Antioch: oh nice find, this Makefile.am looks a lot less garbage
[04:11] <sarnold> their use of 'z.lib' worries me about their familiarity with the ecosystem, but the bits I see look much better all around
[04:12] <sarnold> dinner time :) have fun Antioch
[04:15] <Antioch> Thus is the wild goose chase that sometimes happens. Hopefully it works well! Thanks a bunch, sarnold - things are looking positive
[04:46] <Speiros> Hi all. Can anyone tell me how I can remove a program that is part of the default package, as when I use Synaptic, it sometimes wants to delete the whole platform, as they've all bee tied together.
[04:46] <Speiros> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04
[05:01] <subfj> o/
[05:56] <mozzarella> my printer only works 10% of the time
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> mozzarella: wich printer would that be, and define works?
[06:01] <mozzarella> lotuspsychje: brother hl l2370dw
[06:02] <mozzarella> my jobs are "pending" and nothing gets printed
[06:02] <mozzarella> sometimes I get it to work but that's rare
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> mozzarella: is it recognized in systemsettings?
[06:03] <mozzarella> yes
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> mozzarella: did you try other usb ports yet?
[06:04] <mozzarella> lotuspsychje: I'm printing over wifi, it's not connected to my computer
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> mozzarella: as a test you could try that, and compare if you can print local over usb
[06:05] <mozzarella> it worked 2 hours ago, why can't it work now
[06:05] <mozzarella> maddening
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> mozzarella: tryed a reboot yet? recent updates?
[06:09] <mozzarella> lotuspsychje: no and no
[06:42] <BlueEagle> mozzarella: Is the printer sleeping and not waking up when you are trying to print?
[06:48] <mozzarella> BlueEagle: could be
[06:48] <mozzarella> not sure
[06:51] <unixbsd> Salut,
[06:52] <unixbsd> Maybe someone wants the FLTK desktop, it is very fast.
[06:52] <unixbsd> https://postimg.cc/QVZQZ3WZ fltk desktop, running on all unix and linux machines.
[06:52] <mefistofeles> unixbsd: wow, so retro
[06:53] <unixbsd> if you want the code, it is free. you can use it the way you want.
[06:53] <unixbsd> it is ultra easy to compile
[06:54] <BlueEagle> mozzarella: I suggest you attempt to print to the device when it is both in an awake and sleeping state and see if that may be the cause.
[06:54] <BlueEagle> !offtopic
[06:55] <BlueEagle> unixbsd: Please use that channel in stead of this one. Thank you.
[06:55] <unixbsd> ok, at least, maybe someone will have idea to make a package for ubuntu. we have need of more desktops on ubuntu
[06:56] <unixbsd> BlueEagle: hey man, dont become like debian, stay like ubuntu
[06:56] <unixbsd> do you remember that ubuntu was human in 2000??
[06:56] <unixbsd> human?
[06:56] <unixbsd> i still have the cdrom
[06:56] <unixbsd> get humanity BlueEagle, it is close to your earth.
[06:56] <unixbsd> heart
[06:57] <unixbsd> humanity will not kill you, but rather will make you live longer.
[07:00] <BlueEagle> unixbsd: I am sorry, but this is a support channel, and every time someone writes in here I get a notification. I am in here to help people, and I do it for free. I am not in here to see you promote your software. As a courtesy to people that do volunteer their time, please respect that. Alternatively there will be one less person offering free support for Ubuntu, and how is that humane?
[07:00] <unixbsd> BlueEagle: it is ok, thank you!!
[07:02] <mefistofeles> BlueEagle: you can also ignore users, fwiw
[07:02] <unixbsd> I think that a little bit of kindness and offtopic are welcome. It is actually the foremost important thing for a people, but of course, there are free liberty of owned of the channel to guide it, with supremacy in a way he/she desires it. It can be strictly technical, allowing only technical talks and nothing else. This is mod liberty to rule.
[07:32] <Confusionist> Hi, I upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04 and notice that my mouse settings (I mouse lefthanded) are not remembered over suspend/resume or when I unplug/replug the usb receiver. I have to reselect the right button as my primary every time. Against what package should I report this issue?
[07:38] <Confusionist> If someone has a solution that would be welcome of course, then I will include it in the bug report :)
[07:39] <ducasse> Confusionist: there is probably a udev event you could hook into to run a script to set it up how you want it
[07:44] <Confusionist> ducasse: so I should be looking for a difference in udev rules between 18.04 and 20.04 to explain the difference in behavior
[07:45] <ducasse> the difference is more likely in hos it does suspend/resume, udev would just be a way to fix it
[07:45] <ducasse> i think, at least
[07:46] <Confusionist> It also happens when I switch the mouse to a different machine via a KVM switch and back again, so that seems to rule out anything suspend/resume-specific
[07:47] <ducasse> the same kernel paths might be inn use, as it basically resets various drivers on resume
[07:47] <ducasse> *in
[07:50] <unixbsd> Confusionist: it would be possible to run a little bash script to remap the mouse key/mod.
[07:52] <ducasse> yes, and udev should be able to do it without user intervention
[07:54] <Confusionist> unixbsd, ducasse: yeah, triggering an xinput command by hooking into a udev event should probably solve it. Any idea against which package I should report this issue?
[07:55] <unixbsd> udev is quite general why not it wouldnt land way far.
[07:55] <unixbsd> there is reportbug running on python, for command line.
[07:57] <unixbsd>  a little code for .xsession or .xinitrc would allow it... eg. I run: echo  acer ; xinput set-prop 'ELAN0501:00 04F3:300B Touchpad'  'Device Enabled'   0
[07:57] <ducasse> Confusionist: i'd try filing it against the kernel or the driver package for xorg, the devs will refile against correct package
[08:01] <ducasse> Confusionist: if you check the entry for udev on the arch wiki, it has all the info you need to make a rule
[10:20] <ld50> i need to run the LXD cli client ("lxc") in a docker container.
[10:20] <ld50> i've run "apt install -y lxd", but running "lxc" tells me "Command '/usr/bin/lxc' requires the lxd snap to be installed."
[10:20] <ld50> installing the snap is not possible since the snap daemon isn't running in my docker container as my shell is the entrypoint of the container.
[10:20] <ld50> are docker containers not a supported usecase for software that is packaged via snap?
[10:23] <Galbi3000> Hi all. I need help. I had a similar issue back in 2018 and a couple of people here helped me sort it out then so I am hoping it can be sorted out quickly again :)
[10:24] <Galbi3000> The problem I am having is that I just did an update on my Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS installation and now it wont boot
[10:25] <Galbi3000> I get a kernel panic about not syncing and needing init=
[10:26] <Galbi3000> In 2018 it turned out to be my BIOS in the old machine I was using needed updating so I tried that already with this machine but I still get the same error
[10:27] <Galbi3000> Kernel 5.4.0-53 works but the new 5.4.0-54 gives the error
[10:29] <galbi3000> Anyone here?
[10:30] <cariveri> Hi. My PC stucks when shutting down "system halted" since ubuntu 20. What/where do you suggest to check logs on this?
[10:45] <bdiddy> To make the power button poweroff instead of halt: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and uncomment HandlePowerKey and make sure its value is set to poweroff.
[10:47] <cariveri> bdiddy: well, that sounds liek hard power off. it is supposed to shutdown sanely, all windows and everything before powering off.
[10:47] <bdiddy> should be clean poweroff
[10:49] <cariveri> ok, still: as this stopped working I figure there migth be a problem underlying that is worth examining. But Im not sure where to look for . in /var/log/syslog ?
[10:50] <bdiddy> i dont think so.  Some googling indicates you could have a bios issue.  some said they had to add acpi=noirq
[10:50] <bdiddy> to kernel boot params
[10:50] <bdiddy> syslog would be the place to look if there was an issue tho
[10:51] <cariveri> In dead my cpu is under suspicion.
[10:52] <cariveri> bdiddy:  acpi=off is set already.
[10:53] <bdiddy> try acpi=noirq
[10:53] <bdiddy> instead of off
[10:53] <cariveri> grub updated. ok lets see. see you in a minute I hope ;)
[11:05] <cariveri> bdiddy: worked like a charm. eventhough it does not explain what went wrong before.
[11:05] <bdiddy> lol
[11:05] <bdiddy> such is the way of linux
[11:05] <cariveri> naaw :)
[11:06] <cariveri> Ill try something else now. replacing the cpu.
[11:10] <bdiddy> yeah if it's old cpu chances are you'll need to update the motherboard as well.  Might have better power managment options with the new bios that linux can communicate with
[11:14] <galbi3000> I am running Linux on an old PC (Acer Aspire X3990) and after an update it refuses to boot with the new 5.4.0.54-generic kernel, I had to revert back to 5.4.0.53-generic to get the machine to boot.
[11:15] <galbi3000> Can anyone help?
[11:16] <bdiddy> galbi3000: what's in .54 that you need over .53?
[11:16] <galbi3000> I don't know! I just did apt update and apt upgrade as usual to install updates
[11:16] <bdiddy> ah
[11:17] <bdiddy> any error messages?
[11:17] <bdiddy> me personally I'd just tell ubuntu to stop updating the kernel lol
[11:17] <cariveri> bdiddy: cpu replaced, everything works, sofar.
[11:17] <galbi3000> How do I do that?
[11:20] <galbi3000> The error is: "end Kernel panic - not syncing: No working init file found. Try passing init= option to kernel."
[11:21] <bdiddy> huh that's odd
[11:23] <galbi3000> Same result if I select the recovery mode option of the same kernel
[11:24] <bdiddy> but you can boot fine with the other kernel?
[11:24] <galbi3000> Yep, the older kernel boots fine
[11:24] <cariveri> bdiddy: in fact, just lately  I wished ubuntu had still kernel 4.13  because of wine IPX game networking still available. :( can make ubuntu 20 run on the older kernel, just as a tempory seperate grub setting?
[11:25] <bdiddy> yeah shouldn't be a problem
[11:25] <bdiddy> galbi3000: for some reason it's not finding init which is odd
[11:26] <bdiddy> You might consider trying to reinstall the kernel
[11:26] <bdiddy> remove it and just install it again
[11:26] <galbi3000> I would not know how to do that, it was just the standard apt updates that installed it
[11:27] <galbi3000> I can manually edit the grub.cfg file to make the older one default but that's a temporary fix until apt changes it again
[11:29] <jeremy31> bdiddy: you had the wifi issue?
[11:30] <bdiddy> no i helped a guy who had wifi issue
[11:30] <bdiddy> turned out he just needed to touch a file
[11:30] <galbi3000> Sounds kinky
[11:31] <bdiddy> lol
[11:31] <bdiddy> galbi3000: you should be able to apt remove linux-image-5.4.0.54* or something to that effect
[11:31] <bdiddy> and then reinstall it apt install linux-image-5.4.0.54
[11:33] <galbi3000> Unable to locate package linux-5.4.0.54*
[11:33] <galbi3000> DOH, missed image
[11:33] <galbi3000> E: Unable to locate package linux-image-5.4.0.54*
[11:34] <jeremy31> linux-image-5.4.0-54-generic
[11:34] <bdiddy> apt list --installed |grep image
[11:34] <bdiddy> yeah sorry not .54 -54
[11:35] <bdiddy> after you uninstall it do apt autoremove
[11:36] <userDepth> Is this line correct for setting IO schedulers? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash modprobe.blacklist=ahci elevator:sda=noop elevator:nvme0n1=noop amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff"
[11:40] <galbi3000> That has worked, thank you very much bdiddy :)
[11:40] <bdiddy> np
[11:42] <galbi3000> Though it's no longer going into high res text mode like it was before, but that is not a problem as I use it remotely with SSH anyway :)
[11:52] <j`ey> anyone got a default 18.04 LTS sources.list I can look at?
[11:58] <Maik> j`ey: a quick search on the web, first hit: https://gist.github.com/rhuancarlos/c4d3c0cf4550db5326dca8edf1e76800
[11:59] <j`ey> Maik: thanks!
[11:59] <Maik> you're welcome :)
[12:00] <j`ey> I'm getting 404 errors that 'The repository ... does not have a Release file'
[12:02] <j`ey> but using that gist, I fixed my urls and it's fine now
[12:34] <strk> I'm stuck in the middle of a dist-upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04
[12:34] <strk> things like:  python3-renderpm : Depends: python3 (>= 3.6~) but 3.5.1-3 is to be installed
[12:34] <strk> and many othe rerrors (too many, which triggered upgrade interruption)
[12:34] <strk> how can I possibly fix this mess ?
[12:37] <strk> the very first error is: dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service' with
[12:37] <strk>   different file '/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd', not allowed
[12:38] <Maik> strk: dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade your system from one to another ;)
[12:38] <strk> the above seems fixed for https://askubuntu.com/questions/838491/dpkg-divert-error-rename-involves-overwriting-error-after-upgrading-from-16-04
[12:39] <strk> it was a do-release-upgrade, not dist-upgrade
 I'm stuck in the middle of a dist-upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04
[12:39] <strk> mistyped :)
[12:40] <Maik> oh ok, happens to the best :)
[12:42] <strk> now, if install -f works, should I do-release-upgrade again to finalize ?
[12:44] <Maik> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1161243/i-got-this-error-when-upgrading-from-16-04-to-18-04
[12:44] <Maik> looks familiar? ^
[12:45] <Maik> also prepare for the switch from unity to gnome when going form 16.04 to 18.04
[12:45] <Maik> form/from
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:45] <Maik> o/
[12:46] <strk> I'm using lubuntu, already on gnome-flashback I think
[12:47] <strk> and yes, the errors there do look familiar
[12:50] <Maik> oh... it's lubuntu, didn't know that. It's best to mention it the next time to prevent confusion. Then there's nothing to worry about i guess. :)
[14:14] <speeder> is it possible to install a package of Ubuntu 20.10 on Ubuntu 20.4?
[14:19] <rjwiii> speeder: I would assume that it is not possible ... What ever package you want to install, I would find a repo that supports 20.04.
[14:19] <speeder> I want to install Lua5.4
[14:19] <speeder> but seemly 20.04 only go up to Lua5.3
[14:19] <speeder> for some reason
[14:19] <leftyfb> speeder: it is not recommended. Do you really need 5.4 over 5.3?
[14:21] <speeder> I am developer, wanted to dev for 5.4 so that when the application is deployed people by then will alerady have ubuntu that support it.
[14:21] <rjwiii> speeder: Check Lua's site ... they may have updated packages for 20.04. If not, consider installing from source ...
[14:22] <speeder> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lua5.4/5.4.0-2 << how this thing works?
[14:22] <speeder> from what I understood that package was created automatically from Debian's ones?
[14:23] <leftyfb> speeder: might I suggest developing for versions of packages you don't have available to your release in an LXD container running 20.10?
[14:24] <speeder> I doubt this machien can support that :P
[14:24] <speeder> I am using an Athlon64
[14:25] <hggdh> LXD is not a VM, it is a container.
[14:25] <leftyfb> speeder: it should work just fine
[15:18] <ThiagoCMC> Hey guys, anyone seeing this: `apt update`: Err:5 https://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security InRelease - 503  Service Unavailable [IP: 91.189.91.44 443] ?
[15:28] <ilias_gr> hi all. Could you please advise me if "install-info" package is a necessary system package?
[15:32] <ioria> ilias_gr, it's marked as 'standard', meaning : "These packages provide a reasonably small but not too limited character-mode system. This is what will be installed by default if the user doesn’t select anything else. It doesn’t include many large applications."
[15:34] <Rico> hello. need help with systemd-resolve and openvpn in unity. I force a DNS in my vpn configuration, but this DNS is not shown in systemd-resolve --status when VPN is up
[15:34] <Rico> can't find why
[15:36] <ilias_gr> ioria: Today after system's update through terminal using 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' commands system reported an error of 'install-info' and to overrid this I purged 'install-info'. Is it a right option?
[15:37] <ioria> ilias_gr, i don't think so
[15:37] <Rico> more infos here : https://paste.swordarmor.fr/3hrb
[15:38] <Maik> Rico: Unity as in Unity desktop?
[15:38] <Rico> Maik:  yes
[15:38] <Maik> ubuntu 16.04?
[15:39] <Rico> mmh how to know in ssh ?
[15:39] <Rico> Maik:  Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS
[15:40] <ilias_gr> ioria: Earlier today I reported at #xubuntu the error message uploaded at https://paste.ubuntu.com/ but I didn't save the exact link. Is it possible to retrieve the paste link to be reported here too?
[15:41] <ioria> ilias_gr, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23xubuntu.txt
[15:41] <Maik> Rico: 18.04 doesn't ship with Unity, it's Gnome.
[15:41] <Rico> Maik:  I guess it has been upgraded from 16.04
[15:43] <Maik> Rico: I never upgraded but afaik during the upgrade Unity is being replaced with Gnome.
[15:43] <Rico> Maik:  ok. can you help me with my vpn/dns problem ?
[15:43] <ilias_gr> ioria: Thanks. This is the link https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SSNWsfSgpv/. Any idea to override this error (if I re-install 'install-info')?
[15:44] <Rico> I just can tell you that the laptop is running unity and is in 18.04
[15:44] <Rico> don't know how or why, but that's not the point
[15:44] <ioria> ilias_gr, i'd first chck my /etc/default/locale
[15:45] <ilias_gr> ioria: I already checked it. Nothing strange there.
[15:46] <ioria> ilias_gr,  dpkg -l | grep install-info | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:49] <ilias_gr> ioria: what this command should give? A link?
[15:49] <ioria> yes
[15:51] <rapidwave> I just checked repo and noticed linux kernel up to 5.8 is there, but I only have 5.4.0-56...I'm using Focal...shouldn't I have the latest kernel?
[15:53] <ioria> !info linux-generic-hwe-20.04-edge focal
[15:54] <ilias_gr> ioria: I am not chatting now from the pc I got the error but I tried this command on my notebook I am chatting right now  (both systems are xubuntu 18.04 64bit) and I got a link reported:  ii  install-info 6.5.0.dfsg.1-2 amd64 Manage installed documentation in info format
[15:55] <ilias_gr> ioria: Is this what should be expected to be reported?
[15:55] <ioria> ilias_gr,  no
[15:57] <ilias_gr> ioria: the link provides this report.
[15:57] <ioria> ilias_gr, dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | grep -v ^rc | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:59] <ixixix> Hi all!
[15:59] <ixixix> sorry to bether you, everyone, I'm having trouble configuring email on my ubuntu install
[16:00] <okamis> hello, im a bit confused about setting keyboardlayout. Is it /etc/defaults/keyboard for setting it for the terminal, and for the gui I got setxkbmap, I can set setxkbmap se dvorak_a5, which I also find in /usr/share.../symbols/se but localectl doestn find that variant :(
[16:00] <okamis> My goal is to set 2 layout for my gui session persistently
[16:01] <ilias_gr> ioria: Now the link provides the 2 packages I hold back to prevent any update
[16:02] <ixixix> this is the situation: i'm running plain ubuntu (18.04) on a local computer to act as a file server. the thing I'm trying to accomplish is for smartd to send email alerts e.g. when a drive starts getting reallocated sectors.
[16:04] <ixixix> to do this, the command "mail myemail@myemailprovider.it -s 'testmail'" has to work
[16:04] <ixixix> it doesn't work
[16:07] <Habbie> is there any chance security.ubuntu.com is slowly upgrading to a TLS stack that apt on trusty can't talk https to?
[16:07] <Habbie> https://travis-ci.org/github/Habbie/pdns/jobs/744412739
[16:07] <ksk> hey ubuntu
[16:07] <ksk> thanks for moving your repositories to https
[16:07] <ilias_gr> ioria: I think is better to try to solve the error when I will have access from the pc with the specific problem. Anyway, if no solution will be found, is it serious to live without 'install-info' package?
[16:07] <ixixix> what I have is the SMTP server address, the username and password, and the server port
[16:07] <ksk> does not brake stuff for anyone on the net, would it :>
[16:07] <Habbie> ksk, oh is that what changed today?
[16:08] <rapidwave> How is it that vboxconfig thinks I don't have gcc, make, perl, yet they are already installed when I try to install them?
[16:08] <ksk> CICD over here is failing becase of that since one hour, I do think so. (But dont have any solid information tbh)
[16:08] <Habbie> ksk, travis too?
[16:08] <ksk> well, any ubuntu which does "apt update" will fail now, if you a) have not install apt-transports-https b) the mirror redirects from http to https
[16:09] <Habbie> ksk, right, i get the impression that change is not fully deployed yet because sometimes it works
[16:10] <ksk> In Debian mirrors are run by volunteers, might also be that is just 1-x servers right now.
[16:10] <Habbie> ksk, but, is your trouble in travis?
[16:11] <ksk> Habbie: travis is on another layer here. If your travis does "spawn *buntu, do apt update" it might be effected
[16:11] <Habbie> ksk, ack - it's just that i cannot reproduce the issue outside of travis, yet
[16:13] <strk> how do I --reconfigure a package ?
[16:13] <strk> I'd like to get asked again if I wanted to keep a maintainer version or not of something
[16:13] <ksk> Habbie: that might be related to anycast and other network magic.
[16:14] <Habbie> uhuh
[16:14] <Habbie> i'm trying from a few more locations now
[16:16] <Habbie> i've now tried from 50 locations around the world, no https
[16:16] <Habbie> the only non-travis hint i have is that one of my github actions also showed a similar failure earlier
[16:20] <strk> after release-upgrade I have 541 packages "kept back", what to do about them ?
[16:21] <strk> shall I reboot and try again an upgrade ?
[16:25] <strk> or should I dist-upgrade now ?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> strk: wich version to wich are you going?
[16:26] <Habbie> ksk, for extra fun, the security mirrors i can hit from here don't even have https
[16:26] <strk> from 16.04 to 18.04
[16:26] <strk> lotuspsychje: ^
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> strk: thats an lts upgrade you doing then
[16:26] <strk> yes
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> strk: did you update 16.04 to latest before lts upgrading?
[16:27] <strk> dist-upgrade is running now (I hope it wasn't a too bad move)
[16:27] <strk> yes, I did upgrade and dist-upgrade on 16.04
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> strk: can you pastebin the output of what apt gives you? volunteers will take a look for you
[16:30] <strk> just apt with no args ? or the 541 packages kept back message ? (as dist-upgrade is now running, things are changing)
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> strk: oh, yeah dont stop updates/upgrades, see what happens after
[16:33] <Maik> strk: why not skip lubuntu 18.04 and go for a fresh install of 20.04 instead. Lubuntu 18.04 suprt ends anyway in April afaik.
[16:33] <Maik> suprt/support
[16:34] <strk> fresh install can keep data?
[16:35] <Maik> fresh install means wipe the whole drive
[16:36] <strk> so no go
[16:37] <Maik> why not? Back up your important files
[16:41] <strk> meanwhile my desktop icons are all ugly (they were cute before)
[16:41] <strk> I think I saw a WARNING flying-by about icons (can't download or something)
[16:41] <strk> if they don't come back I'll ask you for support
[16:44] <Maik> there should be a option in the installer by the way which lets you install *buntu but it keeps your music, pics and other personal files. But then again.... always back up before going that route.
[17:03] <Vooloo> I have a setgid on my dir for group, but the files created in the dir by group user (www-data) do not get write access on files, the setgid is only working for directories, do I need to umask something?
[17:20] <hotsoup> Good afternoon all. Last night I migrated my profile from the HDD where Linux lives to a removable microsd card. As an experiment. I tried twice to use rclone unsuccesfully. It created what I think was an infinite loop because of a bunch of sym links (again, im uncertain of this portion) so I restored from a duplicity backup only a day old and pointed my /etc/fstab at the new partition. Any suggestions on verifying settings after this
[17:20] <hotsoup> mod?
[17:22] <hotsoup> My goal is to make it so I always have my data on a separate drive than the OS in case of any emergency. That is of course in addition to any backups I'm also keeping
[17:26] <leftyfb> hotsoup: first, microSD is the worst place to keep your /home. That said, is the microsd formatted as ext4? FAT/FAT32/NTFS isn't going to work properly for your home directory in linux.
[17:28] <hotsoup> leftyfb: oh yes. It's ext4 definitely.  Now I've heard mirosd sucks for reliability. I figure I get a year out of the card maybe.
[17:28] <leftyfb> hotsoup: hope you have daily backups
[17:28] <hotsoup> Yes. prepping another now.
[17:29] <hotsoup> So you're thinking the card will fail soon?
[17:29] <hotsoup> Is it the mount of r/w happening?
[17:31] <leftyfb> hotsoup: I'm saying I wouldn't trust my $HOME on an sd card. Not for a computer. A raspberry pi, sure. But I still have daily backups on those.
[17:34] <hotsoup> Sounds Good. I plan on keeping track of how long the card remains in service and when it dies and will be creating and verifying backups. I like the idea of having a place for my $HOME other than on the drive where Linux lives, but I take your point seriously. Thanks.
[17:49] <smallfoot-> Networking (Ethernet) works on my computer when running Windows 10. Yesterday it worked when running Ubuntu, but today when I boot into Ubuntu I have no networking. Does anyone know whats up?
[17:51] <smallfoot-> Running "ip a" and "ifconfig" shows I've got no IP address
[17:51] <Deano59> smallfoot-: we don't and can't know without logs, etc.
[17:52] <smallfoot-> I can't post any logs because I don't have any network access
[17:52] <Deano59> :) what version of ubuntu?
[17:59] <smallfoot-> 20.10 with updates
[18:00] <smallfoot-> groovy gorilla
[18:13] <strk> I've a /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu_EGL.conf  file which points to a non-existent /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_egl_conf
[18:13] <strk> actually, an existent one pointing to non-existent /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhybris-egl/ld.so.conf
[18:29] <prof2004> hi, I am using ubuntu 20.04.1, with actual update level
[18:30] <prof2004> I am coming from ubuntu 18.04
[18:31] <strk> ok icons are still not back, ideas which packages to install for icons ?
[18:32] <prof2004> I have created in 18.04 several linked folders on the desktop by moving the folder from my NAS to the desktop holding ctr+shift.
[18:32] <prof2004> this does not work anymore for new ones, but the old links are still working
[18:33] <prof2004> what happens?
[18:34] <Belph> I've installed Ubuntu 20.04 on my ThinkPad x230 30min ago and noticed that it won't come out of sleep once it locked due to inactivity. Is there something I need to do to make it work?
[18:36] <strk> ok, gnome-flashback is gone
[18:38] <prof2004> strk, do you talk to me?
[18:40] <Maik> prof2004: no he isn't
[18:42] <prof2004> ok
[18:45] <strk> with whoever: after upgrade wifi isn't working :(
[18:45] <leftyfb> prof2004: from what I understand, the desktop and the icons on it in 20.04 don't work the same way. Try using nautilus
[18:46] <prof2004> I am using the file manager, is it not nautilus?
[18:48] <prof2004> I was just checking, it is named Files, and the web site tells me, it is known as nautilus
[18:51] <strk> any idea why gnome-flashback-metacity would not start ? Or where to find debug logs for it ? From the login-screen, if gnome-flashback is selected, it just bips and gets back to login screen
[18:51] <strk> Lubuntu session works
[18:51] <strk> could be related to dbus
[19:19] <sarnold> popey: upstream for alacritty is pretty upset about this community-authored alacritty snap being two years old but not clearly marked as some guy's contributed packaging https://snapcraft.io/alacritty
[19:34] <smallfoot-> I managed to get networking working again by running some weird commands that I googled, like "netplan apply" and editing /etc/network/interfaces and creating a /etc/netplan/ethernet.yaml file, but now my Network Manager says the connection is "unmanaged"
[19:36] <strk> nm-applet is not starting automatically on this newly upgraded 18.04, ideas why and how to fix ?
[19:39] <Maik> sudo apt reinstall lubuntu-desktop maybe?
[19:40] <smallfoot-> strk, maybe purge the package and reinstall with Synaptic
[19:40] <smallfoot-> think there is a reconfigure option to dpkg too
[19:41] <Maik> strk: also, could be there are similar cases that have been reported so i suggest searching for bugreports on launchpad.
[19:41] <Maik> Upgrades aren't always flawless, it works for one but not for the other.
[19:42] <smallfoot-> Is there any way to reset the /etc/ directory to defaults?
[19:46] <leftyfb> smallfoot-: make your /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml look like this and nothing else. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wn6nMsYRPQ/  With Ubuntu desktop you should not be messing with network config files directly
[19:47] <leftyfb> smallfoot-: you shouldn't have /etc/netplan/ethernet.yaml. Remove that if you already have a 01-network-manager-all.yaml
[19:47] <mejnour> Hello, guys! I'm having trouble with my keyboard layout. EN-US Int. w/ Dead Keys works when I add but after using Portuguese (Native) for a while and changing back to EN, It stops working.
[19:48] <mejnour> I've search the web but found nothing useful. Any tips?
[19:48] <mejnour> searched*
[19:51] <smallfoot-> leftyfb, yeah I only messed with it because my Ubuntu didn't have working networking
[19:56] <strk> gnome-session-flashback.target is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
[19:57] <strk> what does the above mean ?
[19:59] <smallfoot-> strk, I don't know
[20:01] <Maik> strk: https://bit.ly/2HeJPyD
[20:02] <Maik> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1232980/gnome-session-flashback-target-is-a-disabled-or-a-static-unit
[20:03] <smallfoot-> Thank you a lot leftyfb, You saved my Ubuntu networking!! It works now!
[20:23] <isene> I want to start urxvt w/zsh and run a specific zsh function (simply named "r") when urxvt launches. How do I do that? ('urxvt -e r' does not do the trick)
[20:27] <sarnold> I'd jump through more hoops, urxvt -e 'zsh -e f'
[20:27] <sarnold> you may need to go to some effort to get zsh to import the file that defines the function
[21:06] <ash_worksi> I know this is not the channel for it, but does anyone know if there's some kind of hook I can use to get tmux to display [man]<command> when running man on a command?
[21:09] <Habbie> ksk, i have it on good authority that the https thing was a glitch that is now resolved
[21:57] <zen_coder> I created a new group and added some users to it, then I adjusted the owner ship of a folder to this group
[21:57] <zen_coder> when is this rule active?
[21:57] <zen_coder> so when can user read/write to this folder?
[22:02] <sarnold> zen_coder: when you create new user processes that have that group as a member; the easy way to do that is to ask them to log out and log in again
[22:05] <zen_coder> so when I create a new process when it will have this rules?
[22:05] <zen_coder> is there some way to refresh this when the user is still logged in?
[22:08] <sarnold> zen_coder: you could use 'sudo login zen_coder' in a shell to get a new shell that has the supplementary groups properly populated
[22:20] <zen_coder> I can create files in that folder
[22:20] <zen_coder> however, when I open the gnome explorer I see that there is a key around the files
[22:21] <zen_coder> although I have logged in and out with that user
[22:23] <sarnold> zen_coder: hmm, strange; I don't know if gnome runs *all* their IO through gvfs processes or if some of it happens in the process itself, but you could check the explorer credentials via grep ^Groups: /proc/pid/status  -- for both the file manager and the gvfs processes
[22:24] <zen_coder> `-rw------- 1 user vmware-group      208434 Nov 18 18:36  vmware-1.log`
[22:25] <zen_coder> my user is in the group vmware-group
[22:25] <frib> I recently installed ubuntu 20 on my fujitsu laptop and I am having an issue with the wifi randomly being disabled
[22:25] <zen_coder> but for unkown reason these files are not allowed to rw for that grou
[22:25] <zen_coder> how can I change this for all files recursively in a folder?
[22:26] <frib> the same thing happens with bluetooth, and so I have to use `sudo rfkill enable 0` to reenable it
[22:26] <frib> unblock *
[22:47] <zen_coder> what possibilities to I have to find a reason for a system reboot?
[22:47] <zen_coder> ubunut 18.04 server
[22:48] <gordonjcp> zen_coder: not a lot really
[22:48] <gordonjcp> zen_coder: do you log any system stats to another machine, or even locally
[22:50] <zen_coder> it is a fresh ubuntu server
[22:50] <zen_coder> I found via `last -x | head | tac`
[22:50] <zen_coder> userXY  pts/0        53.XXX.XXX.XX    Wed Nov 18 12:08 - crash  (01:38)
[22:58] <frad> about youtube-dl under 20.10: I don't know how I installed it before, but just now I read https://askubuntu.com/questions/380438/how-can-i-update-youtube-dl and apparently snap is the preferred way to go. So I just did that, but now I have 2 versions of youtube-dl installed. How do I get rid of the old one? Is snap the version that gets updated with -U?
[22:59] <sarnold> frad: snaps are immutable; the snap one updates automatically every now and then, or when you run snap refresh
[23:07] <frad> jesus
[23:18] <frad> I have redundant versions of youtube-dl and none of them are from the repo. How do I get rid of one of them, preferablt the old one?
[23:21] <sarnold> probably the one you built and installed from source can be uninstalled by doing the "installation instructions" in reverse -- delete whatever was put where, etc
[23:42] <bmw> Is there a list of the packages included in the Ubuntu installer/live USB images somewhere online?
[23:46] <sarnold> bmw: the seeded-in-ubuntu tool may help answer that question
[23:46] <sarnold> bmw: .. in package ubuntu-dev-tools
[23:48] <bmw> Thanks. I think I may have found another way to do it by looking at the .manifest files on pages like https://releases.ubuntu.com/groovy/
[23:58] <ash_worksi> if you were going to download the plantuml.jar (from https://plantuml.com/starting) where would you put it?