 @RealDanct12 [https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2020-November/031604.html], Yeah might be, that will kill email, youtube, calenders, if qtwebengine is a part of that
 With edge now on chrome, seems they are one step away from only allowing login in chrome ;p
 oh my 👀
 @Andy Bleaden [More info here: on oauth 2.0 https://developers.googleblog.com/2020/08/guidance- …], @mateosalta guess we could test with that compatibility test
[07:17] <ubptgbot> witulyhyqaemae8401 was added by: witulyhyqaemae8401
 (Photo, 608x882) https://irc.ubports.com/fY6Nnhsk.png
 @rogieroudshoorn [let's hope caldav / carddav support comes in quickly ... so we won't need it], CalDav is already supported in UT, CardDav is in the works.  I am self employed, so it was easy for me to migrate off of Google and just sync my calendars on desktop and tablet (using Thunderbird Lightning and Gnome Calendar) with the Calen
[07:19] <ubptgbot> dar via a NextCloud account (I just use a third party server from Owncube).  I use UBsync to create automatic backups of files placed in shared folders - it's relatively easy now to manually export all contacts to a vcf file in the Contacts app and have this backed up to my NextCloud server, to be imported and re-exported on other devices.  But as
[07:19] <ubptgbot> said, CardDav support is being worked on and would further streamline that as well.
 The point being that getting off of an invasive service like Google is kind of the point of UT, and there are alternatives allowing sync of Calendar, and eventually to be Contacts as well.  But I understand that many need these to use Google services for their work, in which case one ends up at the mercy of the whims of them way more.
 [Edit] The point being that getting off of an invasive service like Google is kind of the point of UT, and there are alternatives allowing sync of Calendar, and eventually to be Contacts as well.  But I understand that many need to use Google services for their work, in which case one ends up at the mercy of the whims of them way more.
[08:02] <ubptgbot> IRO9MAN was added by: IRO9MAN
[08:54] <ubptgbot> Max57595 was added by: Max57595
 @dohbee [some things are yes], Spcifically?
 @dohbee [some things are yes], [Edit] Specifically?
[10:29] <ubptgbot> Angelo was added by: Angelo
 Anyone installed UT in Oneplus 2 ?
[10:36] <ubptgbot> veqaehojylaeho6394 was added by: veqaehojylaeho6394
 (Photo, 632x828) https://irc.ubports.com/0REDVvJl.png
[10:39] <ubptgbot> MercWith was added by: MercWith
 Hi! Isotherm there  a difference  between  UT on PinePhone and Nexus 5. Like technicalLy? There is no compatibility  layer right? Is it more bare metal ?
 @fw190 [Hi! Isotherm there  a difference  between  UT on PinePhone and Nexus 5. Like tec …], No compatibility layer and there is a new kernel. The other distinction is upstart versus systemd
 the pinephone use systemd? I think it's still upstart
 @fw190 [Hi! Isotherm there  a difference  between  UT on PinePhone and Nexus 5. Like tec …], halium isn't really a compatibility layer, more like a driver layer :p
 Pinephone = mainline kernel and wayland … Nexus 5 and otheres = android kernel and mirclient
 @Javacookies [the pinephone use systemd? I think it's still upstart], Ah. My bad
 Yes. systemd requires 20.04?
 not really? I think 16.04 already switched to systemd on the desktop but UT stayed on upstart due to some older kernels can't support it
 @Javacookies [not really? I think 16.04 already switched to systemd on the desktop but UT stay …], It is the point where my brain fries 😁
 I'm not really knowledgeable on these topics but that's how I understand it … and I think the plan is to switch to systemd when rebasing to 20.04 so there's a chance that some devices will be dropped support...sadly due to old kernel
 Maybe someone can upstream the e4.5 as its still a great device
 What soc does it have?
 yes, I think it's possible if the community can do some upstream patches
 it's mtk I believe
 @Javacookies [it's mtk I believe], Yes which
 Doesn't it need 3.10?
 is there a list of packages aka dependencies or docs or forum post that documents why ubports can't update to 20.04 (upstart vs. systemd i know) ... just for curiosity
 @delijati [is there a list of packages aka dependencies or docs or forum post that document …], Well also we still consume stuff from 16.04 that was kicked out from 18.04 onwards
 So actually Canonical kept building those things in their repos, and we might need to fork and build them now
 Dunno how many those are but sure a few
 @amyosx [Maybe someone can upstream the e4.5 as its still a great device], the e5 too :(
 Yeah
 Well the e4.5 might survive
 :)
 @Flohack there is no list anywhere to see what all needs to be self maintained then ?
 http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/build-sources.html#as-of-systemd-233-the-3-4-kernel-needs-to-have-a-patch-in-order-to-boot-tmpmnt-not-being-created
 Yeah I'll make kernels :)
 @amyosx [Maybe someone can upstream the e4.5 as its still a great device], If you like the 4.5 it is worth looking at the BQ Uplus which has the same feel and form factor but updated
 I'll just need someone to test
 @Stereofont [If you like the 4.5 it is worth looking at the BQ Uplus which has the same feel …], I have much more powerful phones its just a piece of Ubuntu Touch history
 @amyosx [I have much more powerful phones its just a piece of Ubuntu Touch history], I understand. Mine died. I was quite sad about it
 Should I try getting the preview version on my grouper lol
 my E5 is also dead 😭
 My e4.5 got taken by parents
 Same with my iPod Touch 2G and iPhone 5S
 @delijati [@Flohack there is no list anywhere to see what all needs to be self maintained t …], Not sure waht you mean. Nobody did this analysis now, I think there are a lot of hidden things, we will find out when trying first to move on. But Marius, Dalton, Ratchanan etc can answer your questions better
 They partially already know whats ToDo
 also @alan_griffiths can answer your questions regarding the Mir thingies
 @amyosx [Maybe someone can upstream the e4.5 as its still a great device], You mean mainline? Its highly doubtful, we do not even have the device trees for the old BQ and Meizu devices, we cannot build them in our CI, and so we really cannot replace the kernel easily
 @Flohack [You mean mainline? Its highly doubtful, we do not even have the device trees for …], Well not mainline
 To next mtk branch
 I think what may become an issue pretty soon is not even old kernel, but 1 GB RAM
 @Flohack [also @alan_griffiths can answer your questions regarding the Mir thingies], What were the "Mir thingies"?
[12:33] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @amyosx [I'll just need someone to test], I happen to own both a 4.5 and U+ (currently on Guf's port) that I will not be using as dd in the near future, so if I can help with at least some testing (being a dumb user instead of a developer), just let me know then and I will try.
 Krillin is ready for systemd
 @NotKit [I think what may become an issue pretty soon is not even old kernel, but 1 GB RA …], Yeah....
 The kernel is ready
 No patch needed
 @alan_griffiths [What were the "Mir thingies"?], hi i just askt about the parts and if they are anywhere documented that prevents ubports from upgrading to 20.04 (upstart vs systemd, ...)
[12:42] <ubptgbot> Asaf was added by: Asaf
 @alan_griffiths [What were the "Mir thingies"?], Blockers in display stack for upgrading to 20.04 thats was the question
 @delijati [hi i just askt about the parts and if they are anywhere documented that prevents …], There have been lots of discussions, but the latest "doc" is probably: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3750/mir-1-x-and-beyond
 (I'm hoping to do some docs on Mir 2.x in the next week or two.)
 are some parts of that not already done because there is lomiri running on manjaro for the pine phone?
[13:01] <ubptgbot> Zundoko was added by: Zundoko
 @delijati [are some parts of that not already done because there is lomiri running on manja …], There's a version with some stuff done, but it can't yet be merged to master as most devices would break.
[13:31] <ubptgbot> lceIand was added by: lceIand
 Heya!
[14:45] <ubptgbot> PO_Tsele was added by: PO_Tsele
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/cv7izA0n.mp4
 @amyosx [Well the e4.5 might survive], but i only have an e5 :( … tho i heard those two technically the same, only the screensize is different 🤔 … what make you say that btw?
 Idk lemme check theirvkernel
 Might have the patch
 On halium docs it says a one line patch is need for 3.4 to boot systemd
 Yeah that has the patch too
 well booting the one part, the vendor and device trees are the bigger challenge
 [Edit] well booting is but one part, the vendor and device trees are the bigger challenge
[18:03] <ubptgbot> conserver_Pyruloid was added by: conserver_Pyruloid
 (Photo, 480x800) https://irc.ubports.com/00Aw9wLW.png
 Bruh
 2eth =~$1400
 0.5btc = ~$1000 lol
 @amyosx [0.5btc = ~$1000 lol], +0
 do better photoshopping next time
 i scream fake at the first tweet
 10 ETH's?
 That's a lot
 5000 btc as well
 that's 92 million USD
 yeah lmaooo
 Yeah lol
 @RealDanct12 [do better photoshopping next time], ikr
 also elon musk wont give you free cash
 @RealDanct12 [also elon musk wont give you free cash], ^ he may take it though
 xd
 I'm surprised they haven't done Bill Gates instead
 Like he's more likely to give free money
 Yeah definitely
 bill gates more likely give free money to charity
 @RealDanct12 [bill gates more likely give free money to charity], But Elon Musk is like bringing innovative things
 Like implanting microchips in ur brain
 Reminds me of a meme
 @amyosx [Reminds me of a meme], Sand
 Cant
 Tg broken
 Why you don't daily drive your own ROM /s
[19:18] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> waiting update for pinephone ;D
 well at least someone is on topic
[19:44] <ubptgbot> brock cade was added by: brock cade
 (Photo, 1280x517) https://irc.ubports.com/kX8SJkbR.png
 Fxtec Pro1 :)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rncA906j.mp4
 @RealDanct12 [Fxtec Pro1 :)], How's it?
[20:15] <ubptgbot> crosstrees was added by: crosstrees
 @dohbee [well at least someone is on topic], Haha +1
[21:28] <ubptgbot> cymerjanin was added by: cymerjanin
 Random app Q  - I know that ISOdrive will let me mount an ISO as a bootable USB key, but is there an app that will let me create a generic virtual USB key from a file folder?  I have an app on my Android device that does that, I use it to softmod consoles by making pretend memory cards.
 The OpenStore's search facility needs a bit of work IMO
 there isn't such an app, no. probably best for that would be to make improvements to how MTP works on UT
 👍
 @Silvershock [The OpenStore's search facility needs a bit of work IMO], There is an OpenStore group. That would be a good place for feedback