[02:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:45] <ducasse> good morning
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: apport isnt installed by default on mint?
[10:55] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: apport isn't installed on any Mint release
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx jeremy31 i had a mint bug on LP saying user had to install apport first for apport-collect
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> handy to know
[10:57] <jeremy31> I don't know why but it might be that there was a time that any bug reported from Mint was closed as invalid in Ubuntu
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: well i talked about that once with the -kernel guys and they said its a thin red line, as some bugs for mint are relevant for ubuntu aswell
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> bug #1905074
[10:58] <ubot5> bug 1905074 in linux (Ubuntu) "After installing kernel 5.8.0-29, my Wacom One tablet is not recognized" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1905074
[10:59] <jeremy31> Are the 5.8 kernels available in 20.04?
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> so when the (mint) users file against the kernel, they popup in #ubuntu-bugs-announce aswell
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> in mainline jeremy31
[11:25] <jeremy31> That doesn't appear to be a mainline kernel, hwe must already be in the repos, possibly without the linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: oh, there are just higher kernels in the mint repos like that?
[11:26] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: Mint uses Ubuntu repos for kernels
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> !hwe
[11:27] <ubot5> The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[11:28] <jeremy31> In Ubuntu you wouldn't see these available until January but Mints Update Manager searches the repos for linux-image packages
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> ah
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> i assume the kernel crew have double profit from both mint and ubuntu fixing the kernel issues eh
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: so what happens if a user uses ubuntu-bug package (something else then kernel) ?
[11:32] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: I don't know.  I doubt ubuntu-bug is even installed
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> would be cool to test after apport is installed, dont think ive noticed other bugs in -announce for mint
[11:49] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: re the bug above; there was no significant change between -28 and -29 (only a single line DKMS change for nvidia)
[11:49] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: my bet is the package containing the extra modules wasn't installed
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> i see
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic groovy
[11:54] <ubot5> 'groovy' is not a valid distribution: bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, cosmic, cosmic-backports, cosmic-proposed, disco, disco-backports, disco-proposed, eoan, eoan-backports, eoan-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed
[12:28]  * lotuspsychje runs
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> Fractalis: you can start a topic here if you like
[15:32] <Fractalis> Hello all, i just got a fresh installation of ubuntu (linux mint) and was wondering if i should try using exclusively flatpaks instead of traditional packages, do flatpaks have inherent advantages or performance boost over packages?
[15:32] <daftykins> Mint is not ubuntu
[15:32] <daftykins> it's downstream, doesn't mean it's the same
[15:33] <Fractalis> AFAIK mint is a modification of ubuntu, it still uses the same underlying systems
[15:34] <daftykins> no it's not that minor
[15:34] <jeremy31> Fractalis: go to the Welcome Screen in Mint, click help on the left and then launch chat window
[15:36] <jeremy31> or click on ircs://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-chat
[15:36] <Fractalis> Wasnt aware that LM had its own irc, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[15:37] <jeremy31> Fractalis: I am a Mint user and I don't use flatpaks
[15:37] <jeremy31> But I don't use snap packages in Ubuntu either
[15:38] <Fractalis> I usually just prefer installing dependencies and packages the traditional way, but i heard good things about flatpak and wanted to know if there was any objective advantages besides just preference
[15:40] <jeremy31> Fractalis: It is just a way to get newer versions of software to the OS since versions in the repos only get bug and security fixes
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> Fractalis: im using snaps on occasion and i see benefits on some software
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> chromium browser for example is now a default snap on ubuntu
[15:44] <Fractalis> Ah okay, that makes sense in those reguards given what snaps and flatpaks actually do. Ty all for feedback :)
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> Fractalis: some software thats not on the repos, could be installed as latest with flat or snaps, so handy in some cases
[15:46] <jeremy31> I think it simplified things for chromium devs as they only have to update one snap rather than each deb for each supported Ubuntu release
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: mint was going to maintain their own chromium ppa now right?
[15:52] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: I don't know if they are.  I think there is an existing PPA
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> think i saw an article passby on that jeremy31
[15:54] <jeremy31> There is chromium in the Mint repos, download size of 70+ MB
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/02/linux_mint_chromium_build/
[15:58] <jeremy31> It takes 6 hours to build chromium from source?
[16:00]  * lotuspsychje isnt gonna try it :p
[16:03] <jeremy31> They are using a Ryzen 9 3900, 128GB RAM, NMVe and it builds in an hour
[16:04] <MrCollins> Is Cockpit a useful utility? Does anyone in here use it and find it helpful?
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> we hear good things about it yeah MrCollins
[16:05] <MrCollins> ok. Thank you.
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> you might find some server users that use and experience it in #ubuntu-server more
[16:06] <MrCollins> oh ok I didnt know that channel existed. I thank you lotuspsychje
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> MrCollins: are you looking for something webbased to manage your server(s) ?
[16:07] <MrCollins> Yes. I am a windows admin who has been dabbling in ubuntu/linux for years but I am taking the full plunge. Using a gui will help me I believe.
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:07] <MrCollins> I decided to install a fileserver for my office in ubuntu instead of buying a whole msft server just for that.
[16:07] <MrCollins> :)
[16:08] <MrCollins> ubuntu server 20.04 all cmd line.
[16:08] <MrCollins> terminal*
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> sounds good MrCollins
[16:08] <MrCollins> thank you lotuspsychje
[16:10] <TJ-> MrCollins: you might want to take a look at Webmin, UserMin, VirtualMin, CloudMin depending on your focus. They're been around and developed for 20 years and are very comprehensive. Also, ignore anyone that says they can cause problems... there were some problems back in 2005 but it keeps getting repeated ad nauseum
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wasnt webmin no longer supported on ubuntu?
[16:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: it's supported by upstream and they publish packages directly for Debian and Ubuntu
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> ah i see
[16:11] <TJ-> I've been running it on complex server scenarios for 15+ years
[16:12] <TJ-> and as you know, I do get very complex in my requirements :D
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> yeah lol
[16:13] <MrCollins> TJ-, ok. I will have a look but I think I want to focus on terminal and use the gui as a backup.
[16:13] <MrCollins> What pretell is upstream TJ- ?
[16:14] <TJ-> MrCollins: what I like about the *Min is they directly expose/show what the GUI is going to change in most cases, so you can learn without making huge mistakes or needing to read masses of complex man-pages and docs
[16:14] <MrCollins> My focus is admin the file storage for vpn-samba clients. (win64 vpn users of the file server)
[16:14] <TJ-> MrCollins: upstream is the publisher of webmin/usermin/virtualmin/cloudmin
[16:15] <MrCollins> Ok.
[16:15] <TJ-> webmin has masses of optional modules, inc. for NFS and Samba
[16:15] <MrCollins> I will have a look at that.
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> Fractalis: fresh from the press: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Flatpak-New-Repo-Format
[17:48] <Fractalis> lotuspsychje: Hey thats pretty cool :)
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