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[06:04] <jibel> Good morning
[06:07] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:13] <jibel> salut seb128 
[06:13] <jibel> ça va?
[06:21] <duflu> Morning jibel and seb128 
[06:22] <seb128> lut jibel, oui nickel, et toi ?
[06:22] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you ?
[06:24] <duflu> seb128, I'm OK. Just overfull, trying to empty the freezer before the power company takes away our electricity for maintenance tonight :/
[06:24] <jibel> seb128,ben oui, tranquille
[07:09] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:10] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN 
[07:17] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[07:28] <didrocks> good morning
[07:34] <duflu> Hi didrocks 
[07:35] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[07:37] <jibel> salut oSoMoN didrocks 
[07:39] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel seb128 duflu oSoMoN and didrocks
[07:39] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson 
[07:41] <jibel> morning marcustomlinson 
[08:42] <callmepk> hi jibel duflu seb128 oSoMoN didrocks marcustomlinson 
[08:42] <duflu> Hi callmepk 
[08:42] <marcustomlinson> hey callmepk
[08:42] <callmepk> forget to open irc today...
[08:43] <didrocks> unsure you missed anything :)
[08:49] <oSoMoN> salut jibel, good morning marcustomlinson, good afternoon callmepk 
[08:59] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, didrocks, hey marcustomlinson 
[08:59] <seb128> how is everyone?
[08:59] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 
[08:59] <oSoMoN> doing good, how are you?
[09:00] <seb128> duflu, how long do they cut the power? usually freeze can stay cold enough for at least half a day no?
[09:00] <duflu> seb128, just overnight so I will leave it closed and find out tomorrow
[09:01] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm alright!
[09:01] <seb128> duflu, good luck then :)
[09:09] <seb128> jamesh, weekly summary reminder: )
[09:09] <didrocks> salut seb128, still messy night, but ok
[09:10] <seb128> :-(
[09:10] <jamesh> seb128: just finishing it off.  Got a few of my old PRs merged this week.
[09:10] <seb128> jamesh, \o/
[09:10] <seb128> how close are we from a working dbus activation? 
[09:10] <jamesh> In particular https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8943
[09:10] <seb128> great
[09:11] <seb128> so it should be working if you turn in the flag?
[09:11] <seb128> on
[09:11] <jamesh> code's in master now, but gated behind some experimental flags.
[09:11] <jamesh> yes
[09:11] <seb128> great :)
[09:14] <seb128> oSoMoN, do we have a process to be able to distro patch changes in firefox? are we supposed to ask them first?
[09:14] <oSoMoN> jamesh, congrats on your perseverance!
[09:15] <oSoMoN> seb128, there's no formal process
[09:16] <jamesh> oSoMoN: just snuck in two weeks before the original PR's second birthday.
[09:16] <seb128> oSoMoN, I wonder if we could include the patch from https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D95171 since it's trivial, or at least use our contacts with them to tell them we want it, maybe that would be enough of a nudge to get a review
[09:17] <oSoMoN> seb128, right, I have it on my list to try to get upstream feedback, and I wouldn't be opposed to distro-patching if we didn't get any
[09:25] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks, I'm just a bit disappointed I guess, I hoped firefox reviews were happening on regular basis, at least for easy changes
[09:26] <oSoMoN> seb128, I've pinged one of my contacts at mozilla, let's see what they say
[09:27] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[09:40] <marcustomlinson> congrats jamesh
[09:41] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: thanks
[14:14] <tjaalton> my groovy desktop is configured to go to sleep when pressing the power button, but it wants to shut down now instead (after 60s delay), did something change?
[14:15] <tjaalton> and the power saving capplet doesn't show the setting anymore
[14:21] <luna_> so desktop meeting in 10 minutes?
[14:22] <Maik> tjaalton: uhm.... wrong channel? 
[14:24] <tjaalton> Maik: why?
[14:24] <Maik> because it sounds more like a support question to me :)
[14:25] <tjaalton> maybe
[14:25] <luna_> #ubuntu ?
[14:25] <tjaalton> I'll pass
[14:25] <Maik> support is in #ubuntu after all
[14:26] <ogra> sounds more like a bug 
[14:26] <Maik> luna_: meeting? where to find the schedule?
[14:27] <luna_> Maik: think its always on Tuesday afternoons around 15:00-15:30 my time if i am not wrong
[14:27] <luna_> Maik: mostly throwing the right bugs on people that can fix them and so on
[14:27] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:27] <luna_> hello hellsworth 
[14:27] <Maik> luna_: thanks, understood
[14:27] <Maik> hi hellsworth
[14:28] <hellsworth> hi folks
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-11-24
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[14:30] <luna_> should be around now i think? but i can be wrong
[14:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[14:30] <luna_> *here*
[14:30] <oSoMoN>   \o
[14:30] <callmepk> o/
[14:30] <hellsworth> o/
[14:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:31] <didrocks> o/
[14:31] <seb128> tjaalton, the power button behaviour shouldn't have change no, that's in an Ubuntu (GNOME) session?
[14:31] <seb128> k, let's get started
[14:31] <jibel> o/
[14:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
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[14:31] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <luna_> Fix Committed
[14:32] <kenvandine> o/
[14:32] <seb128> also it affects only bionic and fix is uploaded
[14:32] <seb128> I untagged now
[14:32] <tjaalton> seb128: yes, I'll file abug
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks
[14:33] <seb128> only unassigned is the same wpa one
[14:33] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
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[14:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> k, just noise that needs untagging there
[14:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> bug #1901609
[14:33] <ubot5> bug 1901609 in signon (Ubuntu Hirsute) "signond causes qprocess crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901609
[14:34] <seb128> that's on our report because we used that in unity time
[14:34] <seb128> that's a kde issue it seems
[14:34] <seb128> -1 for us to take on that one since it doesn't impact our desktop
[14:35] <luna_> but try to notify KDE Neon or Kubuntu developers about it?
[14:35] <seb128> yes, also seems like there is a suggested fix, I'm going to subscribe sponsors
[14:36] <seb128> -1 from me, other opinions?
[14:36] <hellsworth> i would say -1 unless it causes a crash increase in errors.u.c 
[14:37] <seb128> RikMills, ^ is that one you could handle perhaps?
[14:37] <hellsworth> like a large increase. enough to warrant attention
[14:37] <seb128> doesn't seem so
[14:37] <seb128> k, let's decline for us and move on
[14:37] <luna_> yeah try to give it to RikMills and jriddel maybe and the people that does KDE based things
[14:38] <seb128> that's it for focal
[14:38] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
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[14:38] <seb128> the one there is assigned and fix commited upstream so needs untagging
[14:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:39] <seb128> bluez on is incomplete and not for us
[14:39] <seb128> signon we just discussed
[14:39] <seb128> bug #1903574
[14:39] <ubot5> bug 1903574 in appstream (Ubuntu Groovy) "isenkram-lookup crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1903574
[14:39] <seb128> Gunnar cares about it but I'm -1 for our team
[14:40] <seb128> isenkram-lookup isn't something really used
[14:40] <RikMills> seb128: neon devs have already pinged me about signod. I will try to get to it this week
[14:40] <seb128> and it seems to be a bug in gobject-introspection and being discussed
[14:40] <RikMills> *signond
[14:40] <oSoMoN> it'd be good to know whether there are other more common ways to trigger this crash
[14:40] <seb128> RikMills, can I assign it to you? it's showing on our report because it's targetted and unassigned
[14:40] <RikMills> feel free
[14:40] <seb128> RikMills, thx
[14:41] <seb128> the patch seems trivial, removing a compiler flag from the build system
[14:41] <luna_> i have never even heard isenkram but it seems like the Upstream developers is working on it: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gobject-introspection/-/issues/305
[14:42] <seb128> let's skip until we get more details, it seems worked on anyway
[14:42] <seb128> that's it for G
[14:42] <seb128> #topic rls-hh-bug
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[14:42] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:42] <seb128> bug #1785262	
[14:42] <ubot5> bug 1785262 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "arm64 autopkgtests are flaky" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785262
[14:42] <seb128> L_aney tagged this one
[14:42] <hellsworth> just assigned myself
[14:42] <seb128> it has an impact on infra and I think we should fix but I'm -1 on rls
[14:43] <seb128> it's not impacting users and not an ubuntu release target issue
[14:43] <seb128> hellsworth, thanks
[14:43] <seb128> do people think it needs to be targetted or not?
[14:43] <hellsworth> i pointed r_icotz too to get his opinion. i don't think it needs to be targeted
[14:43] <seb128> thx
[14:44] <hellsworth> well but it should be fixed by april though just because that's a long time
[14:44] <hellsworth> so maybe we should target it..
[14:44] <oSoMoN> no need for targetting indeed
[14:44] <luna_> it depends on how many people use libreoffice on ARM64 on Raspberry Pis, Banana Boards, Beagleboards and all that they are called i guess, but as long as its stable and works for when a new image is released
[14:45] <seb128> yeah, it's more an infrastructure issue
[14:45] <hellsworth> i vote -1 for targeting and will work on it anyways
[14:45] <seb128> the tests are slow and eat resources
[14:45] <seb128> seems reasonable, I've tagged notfixing wiht a comment
[14:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:46] <seb128> the signond one
[14:46] <hellsworth> thanks
[14:46] <luna_> +1 hellsworth you know best i am not doing ARM things, only ISO testing x64 images and helping with Swedish translations a voluenteer :p 
[14:46] <hellsworth> thanks luna_ :)
[14:46] <seb128> others are assigned
[14:47] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
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[14:47] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:47] <seb128> k, that list is still not reviewable, perl and python transitions are ongoing
[14:47] <seb128> I'm on +1 rotation today and tomorrow so will review it and note things if needed
[14:47] <seb128> #topic AOB
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[14:47] <seb128> anything else?
[14:47] <luna_> There was a newer mesa today for the others i don't have any comments
[14:48] <luna_> was wondering about December meetings? Are we/you gonna have them the whole December, or is there any xmas/new years break and such?
[14:49] <seb128> depends of when people are off
[14:49] <kenvandine> we won't have a meeting on the 29th
[14:49] <seb128> but we will probably at least skip the 29th
[14:49] <luna_> ah alright
[14:50] <seb128> anything else?
[14:51] <seb128> seems not, then it's a wrap!
[14:51] <seb128> thanks everyone
[14:51] <seb128> #endmeeting
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[14:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 14:51:22 2020 UTC.  
[14:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-11-24-14.30.moin.txt
[14:51] <kenvandine> thanks!
[14:51] <hellsworth> thanks!
[14:51] <luna_> thanks
[14:52] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[14:52] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:52] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth, ricotz: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=libreoffice
[14:53] <hellsworth> thank you!
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[19:17] <Mirv> Trevinho/others: there's a timing/versionnr/sruprocess/LP hitch in that mutter in groovy is not migrating - pending-sru shows one bug not being verified, but the #1878293 claims it's fix released in groovy - it's released in hirsute with the same version number, but that version number is only in proposed in groovy - and of course should be 1ubuntu1.1 instead of ubuntu2
[19:18] <Mirv> I'm also tired out, but just pointing it out since people are probably waiting for chromium to work under wayland (from #1897224 fix also included in it)
[19:20] <Mirv> I mean too tired for brain to function properly but less-than-accurately describing the problem still :) maybe just verification-done away, if it's the same binary it can probably live in both releases with same version number
[20:05] <Trevinho> Mirv: hey, let me check
[20:05] <Trevinho> Mirv: so, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+bug/1878293 needs verification
[20:05] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1878293 in mutter (Ubuntu Groovy) "xterm resize is wonky" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[20:06] <Trevinho> Mirv: see https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[20:06] <Trevinho> if you verify that bug being fixed, you can help move forward :)
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