[10:38] <zleap> hi, is the xubuntu developer list still active as there is a question on the list, from a new contributor that I am not sure how to help with
[10:39] <Unit193> He's referring to elementary-xfce-icon-theme changing from blue to manila.  Not really sure there's much to do there, other than change the theme to another icon set.
[10:42] <zleap> ah ok,  so can anyone help
[14:49] <gimzmoe> I'm trying to hunt down a way to hunt down an issue I'm having with a laptop running xubuntu 20.04.  I can't catch anything funny in syslog or in dmesg, the system 'randomly' crashes to a low-power state but otherwise unresponsive without a 'long-press' power cycle.  I'm trying to figure out where to look
[14:58] <diogenes_> gimzmoe, maybe at RAM and swap usage first?
[15:00] <gimzmoe> diogenes_ system has 16GB and mostly free, swap use is 0
[15:00] <gimzmoe> I did try ZFS, but I was having this problem in eith ext4 too
[15:15] <gimzmoe> it... smells like a hibernate/suspend thing, but I don't know where to find evidence of it in the logs
[15:33] <gimzmoe> however, all the suspend/hibernate .targets are disabled so ... doesn't seem to be that
[15:43] <tomreyn> gimzmoe: would you like to post a systemd-journal (using journalctl) for a session which ended this way?
[15:45] <tomreyn> gimzmoe: if not: ensure the system is fully updated, look into bios updates, try magic sysrq in the unresponsive state, in hopes this will preserve logs (check for any after reboot)
[15:45] <gimzmoe> I'll check if I've updated the bios recently
[15:47] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[15:47] <tomreyn> ^ would tell you the current bios version
[15:48] <gimzmoe> clever, 2018... might be ready for an update
[15:48] <tomreyn> you should also stress test this system, i.e. memtest86+, cpu load testing, running manufacturers' hardware tests.
[15:52] <gimzmoe> interesting you mention that, I was running CPU intensive work when it errored recently.
[15:56] <gimzmoe> well that's something.  Whatever it was it killed the laptop before anything was written to journalctl
[16:00] <gimzmoe> was trucking along then --Reboot--
[16:00] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[16:03] <bluefire> error upgrading from 20.04 to 20.10 - "could not preform immediate configuration"
[16:07] <tomreyn> bluefire: if you're seeking assistence with this, you'll need to provide more details. that's also so if you're trying to file a !bug report.
[16:21] <gimzmoe> sysbench cpu loads are not causing the same issue... maybe it's a network thing
[16:22] <bluefire> error upgarding from 20.04 to 20.10 - "could not preform immediate configuration". Bug #1899272 reported. Do you notice this bug?
[16:32] <tomreyn> the person who reported this had many "Foreign: " packages installed (VarLogDistupgradeMainlog.txt), several third party repositories active, including for different ubuntu releases
[16:32] <tomreyn> release upgrades should be started from a supported state only.
[16:34] <bluefire> There is a safe workaround?
[16:36] <bluefire> Do i need to edit sources.list?
[16:50] <tomreyn> if you are not already in the middle of an upgrade, you can clean up; use pp-apurge to remove foreign / unsupported packages, package versions, and apt repositories. then use apt-forktracer to identify additional packages to remove.
[16:51] <tomreyn> also make sure the system is fully up to date on the source release version.
[16:51] <tomreyn> *ppa-purge
[17:03] <bluefire> The reported bug description is the same as my error message
[17:04] <bluefire> libc6:amd64 and libffi8ubuntu1:amd64
[17:39] <xu-irc79w> hello??
[17:39] <xu-irc79w> I am a old user of Xubuntu...20.04 lts
[17:41] <tomreyn> hi xu-irc79w, do you have a xubuntu support question?
[17:43] <xu-irc79w> Its speedy,light wight ,super customizable.but out of the box it,s so ugly,there is no cool wallpaper,old icon,old theme Why???can you make this gorgious..
[17:44] <xu-irc79w> -_- -_- -_- </3 plz...
[17:44] <bluefire> Bug #1899272 - the bug description is the same as my error.
[17:45] <bluefire> libc6:amd64 and libffi8ubuntu1:amd64
[17:46] <tomreyn> bluefire: do you have a yubuntu support question?
[17:47] <tomreyn> *Xubuntu
[17:47] <bluefire> using ppa-purge is the only way to fix this?
[17:49] <tomreyn> ppa-purge is a utility which can help you remove packages (and package versions) provided by 3rd party apt repositories, as well as those apt repository configurations.
[17:50] <tomreyn> apt-forktracer is another.
[17:50] <tomreyn> release upgrades should be run from systems which don't have such 'foreign' packages (and package versions) installed only.
[17:50] <tomreyn> it *may* work without doing so, or it may not. in your case, the latter seems to apply.
[17:51] <bluefire> but until now i updated with ppa packages no problem. what changed?
[17:53] <brainwash> you created a case in which it does not update properly
[17:55] <bluefire> so i need to remove the ppa packages, update and add it again?
[17:59] <brainwash> I guess so if you don't want to rely on the brute force approach which is mentioned in the linked bug report
[18:02] <bluefire> ok, so i need to use ppa-purge or i can manualy remove this packages (with synaptic for example)?
[18:10] <brainwash> depends on how skilled you are
[18:15] <bluefire> i have only 3 ppa installed software that i can unistall with synaptic. i disabled the ppa in software sources, and the update failed again. there is a chance that if i uninstall this ppa software i will be able to upgrade the system?
[18:20] <tomreyn> install and run apt-forktracer afterwards, too, but yes, there is a chance (and no, this is not a guarantee).
[18:22] <bluefire> ok thank you
[19:39] <bluefire> i unable to upgrade from 20.04 to 20.10. bug reported: Bug #1899272. bug description is same as my error. apt-forktracer gives me: libwebp5 (0.4.4-1)retroarch (1.9.0-r202011230847-96af31bce7-109~ubuntu20.04.1) [Ubuntu: 1.7.3+dfsg1-1.1]pcsx2 (1:1.4.0-11) [Ubuntu: 1.5.0~gfc1d9aef0+dfsg-2]libwxgtk3.0-0v5 (3.0.4+dfsg-12)libopenvg1-mesa
[19:40] <bluefire> (10.3.2-0ubuntu0.1)multiarch-support (2.29-0ubuntu2)secureboot-db (1.6~20.04.1) [Ubuntu: 1.5]libdvdcss2 (1.2.13-0)
[19:42] <bluefire> do i need to uninstall this packages and re-install them after upgrade?
[19:44] <Maik> bluebird probably
[19:45] <krytarik> Wrong blue*..
[19:46] <Maik> But if you have such issues with upgrading I'd recommend a clean install of 20.10 instead.
[19:46] <bluefire> do i need to uninstall 3rd party ppa first?
[19:47] <bluefire> clean install is not an option for me.
[19:47] <Maik> Why not?
[19:48] <Maik> And yes, disable or remove the ppa's before upgrading
[19:49] <Maik> Always
[19:49] <bluefire> because its a massive  headache for me
[19:49] <Maik> Hard to believe
[19:50] <Maik> 51162krytarikutocomplete on tablet
[19:53] <bluefire> if uninstalling the ppa not helps me, clean install is the only option?
[19:54] <Maik> If you keep running into trouble then yes
[19:56] <Maik> I never spend hours or days fiddling around, if it doesn't work out I simply clean install. Way faster than troubleshooting.
[19:57] <bluefire> whan i start the upgrade, it says "upgrade to 20.04" but the upgrade is to 20.10
[19:58] <Maik> I noticed that too, probably a bug.
[19:58] <bluefire> ok
[19:59] <Maik> You will get 20.10 though
[19:59] <bluefire> ok
[20:00] <bluefire> thank you