 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/p8kwW2fC.png
 @Javacookies [try searching for Futify in the forums … it's a premium-only spotify app that work …], Thanks for the tip, it works like a charm
 Thanks for your answers. I hope some developer will find the proposal interesting (I m far to be able to do so 😢)
[00:19] <ubptgbot> WenJie Lin was added by: WenJie Lin
 @Stereofont [They started arriving a couple of days ago. But still early], im really excited :)
 @dohbee [sharing kernel between android and ut doesn't work great (we disable selinux and …], i think i saw something about twrp and the ota updates once, somethig about the arxhive format
 perhaps someone can try continuing the work on MultiROM as I think it was abandoned now? … that one worked well on my Nexus5 and OTA updates were working as well. You can also access android folder on UT and vice versa if you mount them.
 ah, i guess they patched that one on the nexus 5
 @Fuseteam [Looks like you'd the perfect guy to test the installer xD], Wish I have more time to
 @mateosalta [ah, i guess they patched that one on the nexus 5], I think it was working on OPO too … the developer suppprted UT and Sailfish back in the days....just needs to update the image servers now to ubports
 @RealDanct12 does mobile data works on lavendar?
 guys i use moto z (griffin) and flashed all the kernels and stuff and its just stuck at boot
 i tried to connect to my pc and it does recognize as ubuntu touch
 any fix ? or should i wait like a hour at boot ?
[06:42] <ubptgbot> MADELINE Lajoie was added by: MADELINE Lajoie
[07:13] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Javacookies [perhaps someone can try continuing the work on MultiROM as I think it was abando …], Worked fine on nexus 7 (deb,), too.  👍
 multirom sure would be nice
[07:57] <ubptgbot> LOVISA Eija was added by: LOVISA Eija
 Can anybody tell me a bit more about the functionality of Anbox? Is it usable enough to run Android apps?
 @BlackHat17 [Can anybody tell me a bit more about the functionality of Anbox? Is it usable en …], Its early alpha, so only basic apps without too much hardware interaction works. Also powermanagement is kinda not existing, everything will happily run in the background and drain your battery ;)
 @Flohack [Its early alpha, so only basic apps without too much hardware interaction works. …], Can't I close the apps? How much drain will there be?
 I need at least two Android apps actually.
 @BlackHat17 [Can't I close the apps? How much drain will there be?], Of course but you will forget and then end up with empty battery. I am just saying what I think you should probably try yourself
 The container is also based on an old Android version so many Apps are simply not working there anymore. I guess its 5.1
 @Flohack [The container is also based on an old Android version so many Apps are simply no …], Indeed, that won't work for most apps.
 The planet has billions of people and yet nobody wants to work on it, what can I say
 @Flohack [The planet has billions of people and yet nobody wants to work on it, what can I …], I noob
 Lol
 @Flohack [The planet has billions of people and yet nobody wants to work on it, what can I …], Yes, that's a pity.
 I'm a ok buildbot but noob dev
 Problem is also motivation, the good developers are also nerds and dont understand obviously why they would like to run an Android container like this on their phones
 We are in a very dark corner of IT worls
 @Flohack [Problem is also motivation, the good developers are also nerds and dont understa …], Lol
 [Edit] We are in a very dark corner of IT world
 Yeah its a pity, and also Upstream Anbox devs ignore us. They rather only focus on desktop Anbox
 @Flohack [Yeah its a pity, and also Upstream Anbox devs ignore us. They rather only focus …], Can't you run the same version of Anbox on UT as is used on desktop?
 @BlackHat17 [Can't you run the same version of Anbox on UT as is used on desktop?], Well it wont have any hardware interaction that we are abstracting from Android. So only network and playback of sound will work. No camera, location, sensors etc
[09:03] <ubptgbot> Oma Narvaez was added by: Oma Narvaez
 @Flohack [Well it wont have any hardware interaction that we are abstracting from Android. …], Although for some things that might be enough and be an improvement. Can there be two versions for the user to decide?
 @Flohack [Well it wont have any hardware interaction that we are abstracting from Android. …], That may be a limitation some users needing a few Android apps would accept. But yes I understand your point it is not good for others (the majority)
 OK, I see @Danfro beat me to it, that was my question...
 personally, the few apps I look to that don't have a good UT option would be ones I would start and use only a few minutes each day. Sound and network would be good, other hardware features of the phone not needed. But not interested in trying to have them run in the background.
 Once they are not focused, happy to have them "killed"
 @rikshaw [That may be a limitation some users needing a few Android apps would accept. But …], Who knows what the majority is. I think only a few people do actually use Anbox.
 @rikshaw [OK, I see @Danfro beat me to it, that was my question...], 😎
 @xxpsnguy [guys i use moto z (griffin) and flashed all the kernels and stuff and its just s …], If you want to port that device, best to start in @Halium group
 @BlackHat17 [Can't I close the apps? How much drain will there be?], Expect two hours maximum 🤡
 @rikshaw [personally, the few apps I look to that don't have a good UT option would be one …], Yes. Paying for parking, instead of using coins. Nothing fancy and on for a couple of minutes
 @mateosalta [Wish I have more time to], same
 @Flohack [Yeah its a pity, and also Upstream Anbox devs ignore us. They rather only focus …], i wouldn't say "ignore" the desktop side hasn't seen much development either
 @Flohack [Yeah its a pity, and also Upstream Anbox devs ignore us. They rather only focus …], [Edit] i wouldn't say "upstream ignores us" the desktop side hasn't seen much development either
[10:04] <ubptgbot> shubhnaik was added by: shubhnaik
 Xperia X has 3 GB of RAM but it seems to still run out of memory and kill apps quite often. Sometimes it feels like it's even worse than Nexus 5
 @Flohack [Yeah its a pity, and also Upstream Anbox devs ignore us. They rather only focus …], [Edit] i wouldn't say "upstream ignores us" the desktop side hasn't seen much development either and well i've seen the opposite :p
 eh? what you do?
 I usually just have Pesbuk and TELEPorts open and sometimes when I open morph or dekko, TELEports is killed and worse is a reboot LOL
 I wonder if the aggressiveness of OOM killer is decreased when in windowed mode because it seems that I can open more apps on Nexus 5 in desktop mode.
 to be fair, I hate that my HTC 10 that has 4GB also kills my current app when I just try to switch to another and back 😅
 yeah in desktop mode apps aren't suspended in the background
 @thankchu [Is there a version of. Ubuntu touch for Oneplus 5t?], @thankchu did you try this? Did you face any issues. I'm planning to test and build for my own phone in near future
 I was planning on filing a feature request for "silencing notifs but not calls" but then i snooped around in setting and found you can silence notifs while letting them appear in notif list LOL
 [Edit] I was planning on filing a feature request for "silencing notifs but not calls" but then i snooped around in setting and found you can silence notifs while still letting them appear in notif list LOL
 @Fuseteam [yeah in desktop mode apps aren't suspended in the background], yeah, I know that but I guess OOM killer targets suspended apps so it's not too active in windowed mode
 Wait they get killed in windows mode?
 [Edit] Wait they get killed in windowed mode?
 I think they do but a lot less often? hmmm....let me try later on my Nexus 5...can;t remember exactly if apps are killed or Lomiri just crashes or totally reboots 😅
 In this scenario if lomiri crashed its the oom killer is perpetrator
 How to take screenshot on ub ?
 @nandanrmenon [How to take screenshot on ub ?], press volume up and volume down
 @nandanrmenon [How to take screenshot on ub ?], Press volume up+down. Or hold power and select screenshot at the menu.
 or long press power button
 and there's screenshot option in menu
 Let me see
 Haha, looks like we got it covered now. 😀
 Is teleports the only telegram client?
 not
 I use `mywebtelegram`
 (Photo, 1080x2160) https://irc.ubports.com/Q97KEMtL.png
 @nandanrmenon [Is teleports the only telegram client?], Native client yes. Some webtelegram apps too available.
 Ohk
[12:06] <mad_dev> Hey hey, this is an odd one--could someone please dump the perm for /sys/devices/virtual/graphics/fb2
[12:06] <mad_dev> also, is there anyone here who worked on mir-android-platform?
 @Danfro [Haha, looks like we got it covered now. 😀], or you can connect a keyboard and press the print screen button or press the volune keys simultaneously 😂
 @Javacookies [or you can connect a keyboard and press the print screen button or press the vol …], Yeah! Cool idea. I didn't think of that. 😎
[13:07] <ubptgbot> itsme2005new was added by: itsme2005new
 mad_dev yes there are devs who worked on the mir-android-platform like universalsuperbox and mariogrip
 Is is possible to run mainline kernel or is it limited to respective android base of halium?
 [Edit] Is it possible to run mainline kernel or is it limited to respective android base of halium?
 it is possible, but generally on android phones most hardware won't be functional at the current time
 a nice matrix of what would work can be found on postmarket os's website
 Okay.. Thanks
 https://t.me/ubports_news
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/KNgTi55z.webp
[15:06] <ubptgbot> Mark S was added by: Mark S
 welcome mark
[15:08] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> thanks! I am wondering if any version of the Nexus 5 will work
 if you already own a nexus 5, i believe the installer can easily tell you that
[15:11] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> I have a Nexus 5X - I will try the installer. Thanks!
 ohw the 5x :c
 the 5x isn't supported no, that's a completely different device from the nexus 5
[15:13] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> ah. that's what I was wondering since I only say support for 5 without any variants.
[15:15] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> https://www.amazon.com/Nexus-Unlocked-4-95true-Quadcore-Android/dp/B00H7PXOI6
[15:15] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> will that work?
 probably yes
[15:17] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> I will buy a used phone to experiment on
[15:24] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> thank you to all those that are contributing to this project. I think it's awesome. I will be supporting you.
 not lucky, nexus 5x is not supported
 👍
[16:30] <ubptgbot> jk_bharti was added by: jk_bharti
 @Mark S [ah. that's what I was wondering since I only say support for 5 without any varia …], Its not a variant, its a totally different device
[16:46] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> yes I understand. Thanks for the guidance. I bought a used Nexus 5 to play with.
[16:54] <ubptgbot> Сергей was added by: Сергей
[16:59] <ubptgbot> Ethan Hunt was added by: Ethan Hunt
[17:02] <ubptgbot> <Ethan Hunt> Hi, i have honor 5x how can i install ububtu touch in it.
 @Ethan Hunt [Hi, i have honor 5x how can i install ububtu touch in it.], U can't
[17:03] <ubptgbot> <Ethan Hunt> Yes, i know that's why I'm asking
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Hid639yP.webp
 @Ethan Hunt [Yes, i know that's why I'm asking], Buy a supported phone
 Or maybe port it yourself. 20,000% more difficult though…
[17:08] <ubptgbot> <Ethan Hunt> Can someone provide installation file for honor 5x
 @Ethan Hunt [Can someone provide installation file for honor 5x], No
 U have to buy a supported phone
 @Ethan Hunt [Can someone provide installation file for honor 5x], There are none
 Hmm. That is an Android 5 device. Huawei, so presumably a locked bootloader
 @Ethan Hunt [Can someone provide installation file for honor 5x], there is no installation file, you'll have to create by following docs.halium.org
[17:52] <ubptgbot> <Ethan Hunt> Can you provide installation file for honor 5x
 @Ethan Hunt [Can you provide installation file for honor 5x], They do not exist.
 @Ethan Hunt [Can you provide installation file for honor 5x], Impossible
 @Ethan Hunt [Can you provide installation file for honor 5x], Read the above message
 it's almost like they don't understand english 💭
 maybe maybe
[18:42] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> the website doesn't make it very clear which versions/variants/models will work. It just says "Nexus 5" but doesn't mention anything about "5X" so some will be left with questions (like I was) about whether or not the X would work. Only after coming here did I learn that the X is completely different. If there was a table showing popular d
[18:42] <ubptgbot> evices/models I bet the community would be happy to contribute to it and that way you won't have as many people joining here asking the same questions.
[18:42] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> people are already posting their successes/failures in this channel, right?
 you can fix and contribute to the device list and it's description: https://gitlab.com/ubports/infrastructure/devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Mark S [the website doesn't make it very clear which versions/variants/models will work. …], The installer has a fat warning that 5x is not compatible, but yes if you like we insert a note. In general I think I would get suspicious since with modern it equipment we should know that every letter counts
 Maybe we should have a not supported section
 @amyosx [Maybe we should have a not supported section], no need
 it's a waste of space and time
 Like all huaweis
 @RealDanct12 [it's a waste of space and time], OK
 just don't list that device there
 yet people don't read
[18:46] <ubptgbot> Brandon Urban was added by: Brandon Urban
[18:49] <ubptgbot> <Mark S> we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Nexus 5X wouldn't. So if a compatibility table were to be created, then it can answer the questions quickly.
 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], not talking about you, was referring to other people asking to install X on a device that isn't supported
 @RealDanct12 can you please confirm if mobile data works on lavendar?
 @ItsMeShouko [@RealDanct12 can you please confirm if mobile data works on lavendar?], need to put a sim card to the phone
 a bit too lazy to do that today thou
 Oh, let me know if you do so :)
 but i believe it doesn't work as there's no new commit to hybris-patches to add the missing deps
 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], it's really just a different device, different cpu, different everything
 https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7556&idPhone2=5705
 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], [Edit] it's really just a different device, different cpu, different release date, different android version
 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], [Edit] it's really just a different device; different cpu, different release date, different android version
 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], [Edit] it's really just a different device; different cpu, different release date, different android version … https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7556&idPhone2=5705
 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], [Edit] it's really just a different device; different chipset, different release date, different android version … https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7556&idPhone2=5705
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 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], [Edit] it's really just a different device; different chipset, different release date, different android version etc … https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7556&idPhone2=5705
[19:24] <ubptgbot> Laser9un was added by: Laser9un
[19:28] <ubptgbot> Carbonneau bech was added by: Carbonneau bech
 The Morph browser doesn't keep passwords, does it ?
 @RealDanct12 [but i believe it doesn't work as there's no new commit to hybris-patches to add …], do you know what is missing?
 it's mentioned in some halium chat
 BT keyboard question: i have a fairly simple BT keyboard. works fine so far, but it doesnt have a Right CTRL button. how do i type special characters with it in UT?
 is it possible to remap it to Left CTRL somewhere?
 @coding_hedgehog [The Morph browser doesn't keep passwords, does it ?], nope. but there are some password apps in the Open Store
 @YougoChats [BT keyboard question: i have a fairly simple BT keyboard. works fine so far, but …], You mean AltGr?
 it has AltGr, and indeed /some/ special chars that are mapped to that, but by far not all
[19:56] <ubptgbot> Vitek NewPort was added by: Vitek NewPort
 @YougoChats [it has AltGr, and indeed /some/ special chars that are mapped to that, but by fa …], Well yes, only so many keys on a board. What would right Ctrl get you?
 @dohbee [You mean AltGr?], i'll be darned. AltGr doubles as Right CTRL as well
 TIL
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 @dohbee [Well yes, only so many keys on a board. What would right Ctrl get you?], well some keys have the special chars on the lower right corner, like E has é with AltGr, but to reach ë, i have to AltGr+Shift+' ; E
 Hello. Dooge S40 - ubuntuphon compatible or not?
 @YougoChats [TIL], [SOLVED]
 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], Its like if you buy a Samsung S10 its not the same as S220
 @Mark S [we do read. But we don't know the technical reasons why a Nexus 5 works but a Ne …], [Edit] Its like if you buy a Samsung S10 its not the same as S20
 With mobile phones every letter counts. Why you would think a N5x is the same or similar to N5 ? If you install any ROM for Android, you also need to use that specific ROM for that device
 YOu cannot install N5 ROM on N5x
 And we mention the codenames I think, if not, we could do it. Latest with having the device codename a big bell should ring: "Do I have the device with the right codename?"
 @Serhio_Conditioners [Hello. Dooge S40 - ubuntuphon compatible or not?], No
 (Photo, 246x67) https://irc.ubports.com/NLmQ2LpA.png What more than thbis can we do?
 @Flohack [<reply to media>], The `Comment` column is empty.  Perhaps this could be used for commonly confused devices, such as the `5X`.
 @imraniqbal [The Comment column is empty.  Perhaps this could be used for commonly confused d …], Yeah, that wouldn't hurt for sure
[22:03] <tr4ck3ur> hi guys, perhaps you already spoke about it, but i would like to find some hint about the "open with" behavior, i don't find any link on "how to"
 @tr4ck3ur [hi guys, perhaps you already spoke about it, but i would like to find some hint …], http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/guides/contenthub.html
 Content Hub is the magic keyword here. 😊
[22:07] <tr4ck3ur> oh ok, let me check if i find my way, thanks btw ;)
 Have fun. 👍
[22:13] <tr4ck3ur> hum, sure, it seems relevent, thanks Danfro, i will give a try
[22:18] <tr4ck3ur> just a question, why isn't be used on UTmedia app for video Nexus 5 device ?
[22:18] <tr4ck3ur> is there any blocking point ?
 @tr4ck3ur [is there any blocking point ?], I remember some issue about it being an html app, but I don't remember nothing more... @nfsprodriver do you remember more about this?
[22:28] <tr4ck3ur> hum, ok, that may be a sufficent reason. may be a work to port to "clickable" btw
[22:28] <tr4ck3ur> ok, thanks for the light
[22:41] <ubptgbot> <Paulo pandryx> Good night.
[22:42] <ubptgbot> <Paulo pandryx> How install google meet web browser?
[22:43] <tr4ck3ur> Oo
[22:43] <tr4ck3ur> in same kind of question, is there any app that open any file with a standard text editor ? ok, terminal will fit.
[22:43] <ubptgbot> <Paulo pandryx> Web app
[22:49] <tr4ck3ur> Paulo pandryx, sorry, i don't get your point.
[22:55] <ubptgbot> <Paulo pandryx> Is it possible to install web video conference apps?
[22:57] <tr4ck3ur> oh yes, btw we want this kind of feature
[22:57] <tr4ck3ur> i see there is gstreamer
[22:58] <tr4ck3ur> and many people are able to do it from a raspberry
[22:58] <tr4ck3ur> wihtout the sound btw
[22:59] <tr4ck3ur> without*
[23:00] <tr4ck3ur> Paulo ? do you check on your side to build a solution for it ?
[23:08] <ubptgbot> xaviergm was added by: xaviergm
 Hi guys! I have a couple of old devices that would like to try Linux on. They are not on the supported list but I am open to experiment with them... But before, does the installation tool provide any way to backup the stock roms and boot files that come with the phones/tablets? They are old and bad enough that there are no working archiv
[23:10] <ubptgbot> es out there anymore. TIA.
[23:28] <ubptgbot> Gabri79 was added by: Gabri79