 @Paulo pandryx [Is it possible to install web video conference apps?], unfortunately video chat won't work in browser for now as it has no way to access camera
 I wonder if halium/ubports supports A10 devices yet
 Like Apple A10?
 @xyn_dev [Like Apple A10?], No
 (Sticker, 512x470) https://irc.ubports.com/jBx1ZDdw.webp
 Android qp
 [Edit] Android 10
 Ohh
 AFAIK No
 only Android 9
 Ripperoni
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/6xgM5Juw.png
 I have multiple `unity8 --mode=full-greeter` in htop … does that mean it's running multiple times?
 you can see there my ram is already almost full but I only haver terminal, teleports and pesbuk open
 @Javacookies [I have multiple unity8 --mode=full-greeter in htop … does that mean it's running m …], No, it's threads
 oh okay, so the ram usage for those don't add up...hmmm I wonder what's hogging the memory
 currently trying to build recovery for my redmi note 7
 the most irritating thing is when you build it and realize that display just doesn't wanna work
 [Edit] the most irritating thing is when you build it and the recovery works fine
 Im currently trying to get my recovery to use the /cache fix but its not cooperating
 but then the display doesn't work
 for the display I had that issue, does it flash text for a split second then go blank?
 i dont see any texts
 just splash -> blank with backlight
 HOWEVER the recovery does work fine
 i can confirm this by blindly navigate the recovery menu
 the issue I had it would flash text for a split second in the bottom left of screen then go blank, no idea if backlight was on since its an OLED screen lol
 anyway i'm currently build lineageos recovery as a test
 if LOS recovery doesn't work, then something isn't right
 don't know how to fight when my enemy is invisible
 iirc for my device it was a misconfigured repo, I think I made a commit for it, one sec while I look
 is it android 9.0?
 7.1
 ah my issue was on 9.0, which uses a different recovery (it has cooler design btw)
 do you have that commit might take a look
 yeah, I wanna use that at some point but I have a 7.1 port and I dont think I can use a 9 recovery with it, I cant find it, it is likely mixed in with a different commit
 @RealDanct12 [do you have that commit might take a look], I am trying to remember what I had to do to get this to work
 @RealDanct12 [ah my issue was on 9.0, which uses a different recovery (it has cooler design bt …], is this in the ubports gh repo?
 https://github.com/ubports/halium_bootable_recovery
 but hey let's move to @ubports_porting for less overflow
 cool, thanks
 ... thought i was in porting lol
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 @Flohack [<reply to media>], Maybe a link to some specs site?
 @xaviergm [Hi guys! I have a couple of old devices that would like to try Linux on. They ar …], If its not on the list the installer won't suffice, feel free to reference the porting section of docs.ubports.com
 @tr4ck3ur [in same kind of question, is there any app that open any file with a standard te …], Try Seabass2... Thats a quite nice editor.
 anyone want to test darkmode youtube with proper fullscreen on pinephone?
 or darkmode on other devices too
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 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/v1zqyWTl.null
 should dark be default? seperate app?
 won't open on my pinephone...
 Crashed when trying to launch on Oneplus 3
 @mateosalta [should dark be default? seperate app?], I think it would be best to have an option in-app to change the theme, rather than a completely separate app
 Yes, in-app setting is the better way to go rather than two apps.
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 And what about using general dark mode in UTT ?
 @xaviergm [Hi guys! I have a couple of old devices that would like to try Linux on. They ar …], The installer is only relevant to ported devices. If your devices have not been ported, the first step is to decide whether they are good candidates. Ownership of one is about 87th on the suitability list…
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 @Fuseteam [If its not on the list the installer won't suffice, feel free to reference the p …], Thanks!
 @Stereofont [The installer is only relevant to ported devices. If your devices have not been …], Got it, thanks
 Then probably not a good idea since they are old Alcatel phones made for Vodafone exclusively
 @xaviergm [Then probably not a good idea since they are old Alcatel phones made for Vodafon …], Ouch. Yes forget
 Xperia X represents good bangs per buck
 @libremax [And what about using general dark mode in UTT ?], Hmm you mean a system theme?
 @libremax [And what about using general dark mode in UTT ?], That's allready possible using uttt
 I feel like you are misunderstanding each other 😅
 Who is :p
 all of you, about the dark mode in UTTT 😆
 Eh? Libremax did ask about "general dark mode in UT" right? 👀
 no I think he's suggesting to use the system darkmode in Mateo's youtube app instead of an app setting 😄
 ......eh?
 @Javacookies [all of you, about the dark mode in UTTT 😆], Yes, I mean UTTT
 ........now you mention it, youtube does have a system theme setting
 i wonder how websites read the system theme
 Currently, with dark mode activated in UTT, websites don't care
 I guesa because the webpage has got the color hardcoded. Its no qml element.
 Ya, I just tried UBports forum by exemple.
 [Edit] Ya, I just tried UBports forum for exemple.
 @Stereofont [Ouch. Yes forget], Thanks anyway for the quick answer, folks!
 @Danfro [I guesa because the webpage has got the color hardcoded. Its no qml element.], i mean some websites appear to read the systemtheme somehow 🤔
 @libremax [Currently, with dark mode activated in UTT, websites don't care], sounds like a feature request for the morph browser i think
 man this is so much cleaner i forgot how it used to look
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/zzUu6qUN.png
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], Kudos to the developer who worked on this! It's just great!
 @Fuseteam [i mean some websites appear to read the systemtheme somehow 🤔], I don't think websites can detect system them in any platform … perhaps some browsers supports  inversed color though so it's usually white on black background
 @Fuseteam [man this is so much cleaner i forgot how it used to look], the long swipe to add a new tab is still missing though … Canonical promised it years ago woth matching videos 😂
 @Fuseteam [i mean some websites appear to read the systemtheme somehow 🤔], The website for weather apps rainradar provides a theme parameter.  I do read the system theme and set the parameter accordingly. One way of doing it.
 yes there is a "dark mode preferred" header or something that can be set by browser too
 @bettehem [I think it would be best to have an option in-app to change the theme, rather th …], dont know how right now ;)
 @Fuseteam [i wonder how websites read the system theme], the browser somehow with a system varible
 i think the perfered dark mode flag isnt in yet maybe, possibally 5.15?
 the flags im using are flipping the colors
 some research
 https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/dark-mode-toggle
 theres an extension for firefox that makes all websites dark via what i assume is css magic
 but that actually colours the site itself rather than toggling the site's own dark mode
 yeah, that is what the dark mode flags are doing right now
 @Javacookies [no I think he's suggesting to use the system darkmode in Mateo's youtube app ins …], would be cool
 https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/8e99c7bc455e0db52be4d286e4430a57f6fe367f/third_party/blink/web_tests/VirtualTestSuites#426
 https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/f2plcs/dark_mode_in_qt_webengine_browsers_eg_falkon_with/
 this is the dark mode i used
 ahh cool
 because some dark mode things ie tried just toggle the site's own dark mode which is pointless if the site doesnt have one 😆
 would be good for youtube, they have one - but only show the button in desktop mode ;P
 it seems there is a cookie we ca modify
 https://github.com/ParticleCore/Iridium/issues/741
 @Javacookies [won't open on my pinephone...], hm
 I'll update my pinephone, are you on stable or dev?
 @bettehem [Crashed when trying to launch on Oneplus 3], which ota are you on
 hm, did i send the wrong build?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/RNhL0Q04.null
 @Javacookies [won't open on my pinephone...], try this one
 hm, maybe im using things only in dev right now
 @Javacookies [I don't think websites can detect system them in any platform … perhaps some brows …], they actually can, that's the weird part
 @Javacookies [the long swipe to add a new tab is still missing though … Canonical promised it ye …], ohw tab thingie is supposed to be short swipe hmmm
 @PiecerEdd [but that actually colours the site itself rather than toggling the site's own da …], yeah darkreader, it kinda messes with the sites dark mode too
 well the javascript/css things just do color inversion
 and it applies it to images and everything
 actually images are not affected
 and also inverts things which are already dark
 but the "dark mode preference header" seems like a better approach
 @dohbee [and also inverts things which are already dark], uh nope not dark reader :p
 well some images are affected
 ok maybe some
 hmm, maybe only SVG?
 anyway it makes the ddg logo look like a racist cartoon from the 50s :P
 i think there are diffrent settings, on what images are inverted, and what method used
 @dohbee [anyway it makes the ddg logo look like a racist cartoon from the 50s :P], not for me :p
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2IAm0TBk.png
 ^with darkreader
 anyway, i don't think those are appropriate solutions
 aaany way we shouldn't be forcing dark mode from the get go; some site did go the extra mile after all :p
 right, we can't control behavior of individual sites or apps that aren't our own
 if setting a header can do it that's should be the preferred solution
 @Fuseteam [yeah darkreader, it kinda messes with the sites dark mode too], yeah... usually better to disable one or the other, eg. turn youtube's own dark mode on and turn dark reader off for that domain (i usually do the opposite though... makes it all more consistent)
 @PiecerEdd [yeah... usually better to disable one or the other, eg. turn youtube's own dark …], i do that as darkreader makes it hard to see if i cliked the like button :P
 youtube is the exception for me as their dark mode's decent... some sites' own dark toggles end up with a super jet-black and then bright blue or green foreground stuff, its blinding
[16:06] <ubptgbot> * PiecerEdd coughs
 twitter
 @dohbee [right, we can't control behavior of individual sites or apps that aren't our own], agreed
 @PiecerEdd [twitter], twitter ain't that bad :p
 so maybe we can find the way they detect preference for dark mode
 well... if i use dark reader on all my sites, it gives them a fairly neutral dark grey... but then Twitter comes in with its super-black background
 its not *bad*, just inconsistent 😛
 see?
 then if turned on in browser settings, we can use it
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Dquyz2Pa.png
 or I might be able to make a app that hacks the env value and lets you pick the options on the forced dark mode :)
 @mateosalta [so maybe we can find the way they detect preference for dark mode], yeah that'd be a good solution, there must a way
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], Shot 1 he looks sad, shot 2 he looks better
 lmao
 didn't even look at that post
 (Photo, 1592x1010) https://irc.ubports.com/RyI0k0tl.png
 compared to twitter on 'light' mode and dark reader enabled
 their own dark is nice :)
 (Photo, 800x463) https://irc.ubports.com/u8HvTfn5.png
 @mateosalta [then if turned on in browser settings, we can use it], it appears the go to way is with this https://caniuse.com/prefers-color-scheme
 @mateosalta [then if turned on in browser settings, we can use it], [Edit] it appears the go to way for sites is with this https://caniuse.com/prefers-color-scheme
 @Fuseteam [it appears the go to way for sites is with this https://caniuse.com/prefers-colo …], that is how the website knows if the system sets the theme
 @mateosalta [then if turned on in browser settings, we can use it], [Edit] it appears the go to way for sites is with this, if they let the os do the heavy lifting https://caniuse.com/prefers-color-scheme
 we need to know how to set the theme in the system so it is detected
 so the other side of that is what we want :P
 actually it's more the browser needs to support it
 the browser already know the theme right?
 [Edit] the browser already knows the theme right?
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], yeah, to be clear I don't think the Twitter dark modes are bad, and its cool that they offer two different ones 😆 its just different to all my other dark reader-turned-on sites
 so i prefer not to use theirs
 also would be nice if our own ubports site used it 😜
 chromium can detect, but we don't know what it is looking for ;P
 there is the force flag, but it isn't in our qtwebengine yet
 ah right xD
 maybe this would help? https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=889087
 with that we could write our own detect
 @Fuseteam [ohw tab thingie is supposed to be short swipe hmmm], no, that's for selecting the previous tab like the right edge gesture. Long swipe is supposedly for directly opening a new tab
 @Javacookies [no, that's for selecting the previous tab like the right edge gesture. Long swip …], eh? and tab overview than?
 can't we just add a toggle for forced dark mode and such? no need to auto detect which most likely will be erratic anyway?
 @Javacookies [no, that's for selecting the previous tab like the right edge gesture. Long swip …], [Edit] eh? and tab overview then?
 nah forced dark mode would create atrocities lmao
 @Fuseteam [eh? and tab overview then?], that's the middle swipe … bottom edge was designed to have different levels of swipe, my app Tagatuos implements this because I liked exploring before 😄
 @Javacookies [can't we just add a toggle for forced dark mode and such? no need to auto detect …], sure, it can even be a seperate app, as the setting is a chromimum flag
 eh? m-m-middle swipe? o.O
 @Javacookies [that's the middle swipe … bottom edge was designed to have different levels of swi …], that dosen't sound good, it is allready hard to get to the preview on long devices :)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rzMI445Z.png
 forced darkmode creates things like this:
 end up just switching between tabs on tablets
 imma install tha tagtuos app just to see what in the world a middle swipe is
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], ew, low res transparent png
 lol yeah
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/9sBQYn0y.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/b6mRe0ew.png ohw i see hmm
 so technically there would a bottom left, bottom middle and bottom right swipe hmmmmmmm
 go to the settings page, you can do a very very short swipe to go back … I like experiments with my apps 😂
 @mateosalta [that dosen't sound good, it is allready hard to get to the preview on long devic …], yeah that's true … I think the swipe regions shouldn't depend on the height of the screen/window but instead to a set physical dimension for a better muscle memory friendly gestures
 anyway, Canonical's original design of the bottom edge is flawed anyway 😅
 Which "original" design? There were a few :)
 I mean the bottom edge component :) … it's even a bit awkward when in windowed mode or mouse/KB
 or perhaps it was just an unfinished UX design 😄
 A wild @popeydc 😁, hi how are things
 @Javacookies [or perhaps it was just an unfinished UX design 😄], The whole thing was unfinished :D
 @mateosalta [A wild @popeydc 😁, hi how are things], Hey, not bad.
 @mateosalta [so maybe we can find the way they detect preference for dark mode], just check if the system theme is SuruDark i guess, at least for now
 @dohbee [just check if the system theme is SuruDark i guess, at least for now], Will be good once we get the preference set flag
 I think a few qt versions away from that one
 @popeydc [Hey, not bad.], I was thinking of trying to dig up the blame popey app
 :)
 hmm, i guess the battery level on this e4.5 is not quite reported correctly
 @mateosalta [I was thinking of trying to dig up the blame popey app], Lol
[16:49] <ubptgbot> * fredldotme is still drooling over the bottom edge HUD, I don't know why.
 brings back memories of myself being active on google+ interacting with Alan, Michael and the others 😄 … it was my first experience with communities in general
 @fredldotme [/me is still drooling over the bottom edge HUD, I don't know why.], yeah, it was kind of cool … we need HUD, just think where to place it 😄
 The global menu is basically that
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 We just add a search bar up there and bam hud
 yeah, that's one of what I was thinking
 the global menu could actually be useful even on touch and stage mode...i've been wanting to experiment with it on my apps but it seems that components in UITK aren't working yet
 You might be able to use general qt menus
 Or does it not work in confinment
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 making quicklists easier would be good
 @mateosalta [You might be able to use general qt menus], I've tried many things before and there's always something not found installed … I haven't tried again recently though
 how was it done in the 2048 app you showed
 was that a deb?
 yeah I installed it in the root
 it's a qtwidgets app i think
 only qt apps worked so far
 and it doesn't seem to work on the pinephone too
 @dohbee [it's a qtwidgets app i think], yeah I think so
 Can Ubuntu Mobile run on any device
 no
 only supported devices. every device must be ported and have an image built for it
 phones/tablets aren't like PCs
 Thank you
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 hey, i want to get some phone for experiments but sadly pine dont ship to my country. I think i should buy some used phone, regarding devices.ubuntu-touch.io oneplus one has best support,  so its best phone to get? Or maybe i should look into other phones like nexus 5? thanks
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[22:06] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @anarchist47 [hey, i want to get some phone for experiments but sadly pine dont ship to my cou …], The new Vollaphone (based on Gigaset's GS290) currently gets a lot of attention and seems to have good UT-support, too.There is a "Ubuntu Touch on Volla Phone"-TG-group, if you are interested...
 thanks) i looked volla a bit but i dont think they have large comminity
 i guess it depends on what you can get in your country. Nexus 5 and OnePlus 1 are both decent devices and can be had cheap (just have to be wary of failing power buttons and USB ports or the like)
 (Photo, 627x604) https://irc.ubports.com/DK89O8rP.png
[22:33] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @anarchist47 [thanks) i looked volla a bit but i dont think they have large comminity], The Vollaphone is one of the devices in the UT installer (see https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/), and as far as I know the UBports foundation is cooperating with Hello World (producers of Vollaphone) on that.
[22:34] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> And for a phone that is just being sent out to Indiegogo supporters it seems to have quite a following. 😉
[22:34] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> It is certified for Europe only, though, afaik...
 @dohbee [i guess it depends on what you can get in your country. Nexus 5 and OnePlus 1 ar …], yeah thanks
 @X YZ [It is certified for Europe only, though, afaik...], like EU only or just continental Europe?
 I'm in continental Europe but not part of the EU
 ((Iceland))
[23:14] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @SchrodingersCatto [like EU only or just continental Europe?], Sorry, don't know ... but the information should be somewhere on https://volla.online/. Or gigaset.com, since it is based on their GS290.
 @anarchist47 [thanks) i looked volla a bit but i dont think they have large comminity], Xperia X and derivatives have a lot of users and seems good
 @X YZ [The Vollaphone is one of the devices in the UT installer (see https://devices.ub …], hello world? pretty sure that's not the name 🤔
 that's actually the name
 (Photo, 525x209) https://irc.ubports.com/qloQjTdA.png
 Hallo Welt = Hello World
 To me Hallo Welt = Hallo Welt :p
 just like tobiyo is not "Jump World" :p
 that's how i created the name "tobiyo" for myself"
[23:35] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Fuseteam [To me Hallo Welt = Hallo Welt :p], True, got languages mixed here. 😜 … It's german, not C. 😉
 🤣🤣🤣
 @X YZ [True, got languages mixed here. 😜 … It's german, not C. 😉], to me, it's just not yet been compiled to english
 @Fuseteam [just like tobiyo is not "Jump World" :p], inb4 someone calls me "jumpy" :p
 @Fuseteam [inb4 someone calls me "jumpy" :p], stop reading shonen jump :P
 whaha you got me 🤣🤣🤣
 @dohbee [stop reading shonen jump :P], whaha ya got me 🤣🤣🤣
 yes it was inspired by anime :p
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