[02:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:44] <ducasse> good morning
[08:14] <TJ-> That feeling of frustration when you've spent 2 hours trying to get a 4K USB-C connected monitor to actually show something, only to find out the kernel driver in 20.04 was panicing... v5.10-rc5 to the rescue (albeit can't run @60Hz, so using 30Hz) !
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> aw
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> a screen panics on kernel 5.4?
[08:16] <TJ-> Yes - this is a "Ryzen 7 3700U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx" and the amdgpu F/LOSS driver
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> ah
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> amd needs higher kernels indeed
[08:17] <TJ-> Until today I've been using just the laptop's HDMI port with a portrait-oriented 2560x1080 2nd monitor - this morning I decided to connect a USB-C dock, that monitor, and a 4K 27" to give me more programming workspace
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:20] <TJ-> With the boss now having 3 screens and able to effeciently code it'll push others to work a bit harder :)
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> haha
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah its not good to have the image of always being the guy that fixes everything
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> ppl rely on that tooo easy
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> thats why i like opensource solving, brainstorm togheter in a team
[08:21] <TJ-> mostly it's the fact that I've been sidetracked by business matters - the dev side needs more of my direction and insight
[08:22] <TJ-> unfortunately not enough time in the day
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> i bet
[08:22] <TJ-> plus of course I much prefer doing this hacking stuff than management :D
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> yeah in IT need to focus on the branch you do best
[08:23] <TJ-> the way things are going, we may end up being the fastest growing start-up ever
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> neat
[08:26] <TJ-> I'm planning on setting up a F/LOSS investment fund but not quite figured out how and what it should support and do
[08:45] <TJ-> looks like we need to be careful on 20.04 etc; thunderbird 78 is in -proposed and it seriously breaks Enigmail and PGP support, and once installed cannot go back to v68 due to 78 changing the profile config layout/settings
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> oh tnx TJ- does it break over the snap too?
[10:01] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: thunderbird is breaking enigmail because they now implement PGP themselves
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> ah i see
[10:58] <TJ-> also because TB is importing the keys from gnupg so you've now got 2 copies, plus it doesn't support hardware tokens
[11:56] <ducasse> what i hear from a friend is that it also sets it's own passphrase on the keys it uses, and stores that in the config
[11:56] <ducasse> i've not checked this myself yet
[11:58]  * daftykins awaits the full write-up
[12:22] <TJ-> Yes, it does
[12:22] <TJ-> it creates a 'random' password and stores that in its profile
[12:31] <ducasse> is that not a problem?
[12:37] <marcoagpinto> Heya!
[12:51] <ducasse> TJ-: my friend is pretty worried about the security of this setup, you got any thoughts on that?
[13:02] <TJ-> ducasse: yes - don't upgrade if you use PGP email
[13:03] <ducasse> right, he already did. now he's looking for an alternative client, but he's on macos so free options are limited
[13:04] <TJ-> £0 or free/libre ?
[13:05] <daftykins> is it the classic throwing the toys out of the pram move and wanting to hop software because it "did wrong?"
[13:05] <daftykins> rather than restoring from backup -> modifying the update mechanism
[13:07] <ducasse> i think he doesn't want to stick with software that won't receive any updates he can apply
[13:08] <TJ-> pretty easy privacy are currently working on updating their add-on for Thunderbird for Linux, so when that is complete that'll be available. That is already available on Macs
[13:11] <ducasse> great, thanks
[13:11] <ducasse> i'll inform him of that
[16:54] <tomreyn> TJ-: you probably noticed, so just in case: 5.8 is available in 20.04 via hwe-20.04 (as well as -edge, currently). but i think i read your needs 5.9 (IIRC).
[17:00] <TJ-> tomreyn: regarding the GPU/4k issue?
[17:01] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes
[17:03] <TJ-> tomreyn: we're running most of our systems with custom built kernels now so I just grabbed a 5.10 build - hadn't realised this laptop wasn't on one.
[18:54] <tomreyn> oh.. if you custom build anyways... i like the idea of not having to maintain everything myself, but certainly for larger installments this is a different story.
[18:54] <tomreyn> TJ-: ^
[19:00] <TJ-> ^to fix bugs!^
[19:21] <daftykins> squoosh 'em