[01:49] <KGB-0> gnome-shell Daniel van Vugt 205714 * commented merge request !43 * https://deb.li/umX2
[05:56] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:05] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[06:42] <didrocks> good morning
[06:45] <duflu> Hi didrocks 
[06:48] <duflu> And hi oSoMoN 
[06:48] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[06:48] <oSoMoN> hi duflu & desktoppers
[06:49] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[06:49] <didrocks> et oSoMoN :)
[06:52] <jibel> Hi duflu didrocks oSoMoN 
[06:53] <oSoMoN> salut jibel 
[07:04] <didrocks> salut jibel 
[07:06] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:06] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 
[07:06] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[07:07] <jibel> salut seb128 
[07:07] <seb128> lut jibel, en forme aujourd'hui ?
[07:10] <jibel> seb128, oui bien, comme d'habitude :) et toi?
[07:10] <duflu> Morning seb128 
[07:10] <seb128> jibel, ça va aussi :)
[07:10] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you?
[07:12] <duflu> seb128, frustrated. My phone died today and with it most contact with my family. I'm just waiting for the local stores to get stock now :/
[07:12] <duflu> How are you seb128?
[07:12] <seb128> :-(
[07:12] <seb128> I'm alright!
[07:12] <seb128> are you trying to get the phone fixed or just getting a new one?
[07:13] <duflu> seb128, the old one refuses to restore and is out of warranty, so a new one it will be
[07:13] <seb128> k
[07:34] <oSoMoN> seb128, on fait aller
[09:02] <Laney> yo
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney , how are you?
[09:04] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:06] <tjaalton> fedora will create a separate xwayland package which tracks xorg-server tip in order to get new features more quickly. do we want that too?
[09:06] <tjaalton> builds only the xwayland binary
[09:06] <tjaalton> and since it doesn't use any of the abi stuff, is compatible with xserver 1.20
[09:10] <seb128> tjaalton, do you know what sort of feature we are talking about?
[09:11] <tjaalton> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XwaylandStandalone#Benefit_to_Fedora
[09:11] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu 
[09:12] <Laney> yeah I'm doing ok, get to have a chocolate from the advent calendar later 🎅
[09:13] <Laney> you?
[09:13] <seb128> I should get one of those calendars :)
[09:13] <seb128> I'm alright!
[09:13] <Laney> interesting, that xwayland change looks like it brings some nice features
[09:16] <seb128> tjaalton, seems it would be interesting to us as well, you probably also have an opinion as the xorg maintainer between beeing request to backport improvements to the xserver or have a separate source?
[09:16] <tjaalton> separate source is easier
[09:16] <seb128> duflu, ^ you might also have an opinion on the topic
[09:17] <seb128> tjaalton, I would say to go for the separate source then
[09:18] <Laney> just got to remember to refresh it every now and then ;-)
[09:18] <duflu> seb128, yeah it's probably better for us to snapshot the "unstable" Xwayland source if it's that much better
[09:19] <duflu> We do our own stabilization by snapshotting features only 6-monthly
[10:01] <seb128> jamesh, hey, weekly summary post reminder :-)
[13:57] <luna_> good afternoon desktoppers 
[13:57] <oSoMoN> good afternoon luna_ 
[13:58] <luna_> having a bit of a headache but will attend the meeting also oSoMoN Thunderbird 78.5.1 is released today
[13:58] <luna_> and a new Firefox beta tommorow with the actual release being 16th December
[14:00] <oSoMoN> thanks for the heads up
[14:25] <luna_> ### Meeting in 5 minutes ### 
[14:27] <hellsworth> good morning d
[14:27] <hellsworth> esktoper
[14:29] <marcustomlinson> s
[14:30] <hellsworth> :) thanks marcustomlinson for completing my sentence 
[14:30] <marcustomlinson> :D
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-12-01
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  1 14:30:35 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[14:30] <hellsworth> o/
[14:30] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:30] <kenvandine> 🖖
[14:30] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:30] <Trevinho> o/
[14:31] <luna_> o/ (doing some KDE and Arch work) but will try to catch up reading 
[14:31] <seb128> k, let's get started
[14:31] <didrocks999> o/
[14:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> no desktop entry
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> bug #1846699
[14:33] <seb128> some contributor added the bionic target
[14:33] <seb128> I don't think it's a rls issue and it lacks a testcase & co
[14:33] <seb128> I would vote to just untarget for now
[14:33] <kenvandine> +1
[14:33] <didrocks999> agreed
[14:34] <seb128> let's do that
[14:35] <seb128> k, done and commented
[14:35] <seb128> that's it for bionic
[14:35] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[14:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <seb128> nothing to review on that one
[14:36] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <seb128> bug #1905740
[14:37]  * luna_ is back
[14:37] <seb128> I've been handling that one but forgot to assign, I will do that now
[14:37] <seb128> the other one is a oem team request which is waiting for upstream review, we should probably accept it
[14:38] <seb128> Trevinho, I will asign to you to cherry pick once upstream accept it
[14:38] <Trevinho> ok
[14:38] <seb128> thx
[14:39] <seb128> that's it for focal
[14:39] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[14:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:39] <luna_> a bluetooth on Raspberry Pi bug and a nautlius bug
[14:39] <seb128> (sorry the reports are slow to load for me today for some reason, I get the frame but not the content, need to refresh several times)
[14:39] <seb128> ah, finally loaded
[14:39] <luna_> 15:39 < seb128> (sorry the reports are slow to load for me today for some reason, I get the frame but not the content, need to refresh several times)
[14:39] <seb128> luna_, thx :p
[14:39] <luna_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1905627
[14:40] <luna_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons/+bug/1898462
[14:40] <seb128> the first one should be owned by foundations, I will follow up with them
[14:40] <seb128> since they did the changes
[14:40] <didrocks999> agreed
[14:41] <seb128> the other one I tagged, shell locks are annoying
[14:42] <oSoMoN> sounds like something we should accept
[14:43] <seb128> if there is agreement I will assign to duflu
[14:43] <seb128> Trevinho already has enough on his plate (not that Daniel isn't also busy...)
[14:43] <oSoMoN> the bug doesn't say whether hirsute is also affected, unless I missed something?
[14:44] <luna_> 19.04, 19.10 and 20.10 is what i found in the launchpad bugs
[14:44] <oSoMoN> presumably it is, but it would be good to clarify
[14:44] <luna_> could login to GNOME on my Hirsute after the meeting and test
[14:45] <seb128> right, I expect it is since our shell stack didn't change yet
[14:45] <seb128> luna_, thanks
[14:45] <seb128> that's it for incoming
[14:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:45] <seb128> bug #1902044 is for me
[14:46] <seb128> bug #1903574 we rejected but forgot to untarget
[14:46] <seb128> and that's it
[14:46] <seb128> #topic rls-hh-bug
[14:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:47] <seb128> bug #1905422
[14:47] <seb128> oSoMoN, you tagged that one?
[14:47] <luna_> same Bluetooth on Raspberry Pi bug and some library used in Libreoffice Calc
[14:47] <oSoMoN> I did
[14:48] <seb128> it doesn't feel like a release issue or an important target to me
[14:48] <seb128> or do you think it's an important feature for a class of users?
[14:48] <oSoMoN> I'm not sure tbh
[14:48] <seb128> I'm not really familiar with coinMP
[14:48] <oSoMoN> but I felt it was interesting to bring up for consideration
[14:48] <seb128> right
[14:48] <hellsworth> i really don't have coinmp familiarity either but i could start with the dependencies and list of bugs as oSoMoN suggested
[14:49] <seb128> I think we should MIR if possible, one delta to remove and a feature parity added
[14:49] <hellsworth> maybe not rls material though?
[14:49] <seb128> but -1 for rls
[14:49] <oSoMoN> I'm fine with untagging it, but I think that in any case we should investigate a bit further
[14:49] <hellsworth> agreed
[14:49] <seb128> +1
[14:49] <seb128> k, let's do that
[14:49] <luna_> https://github.com/coin-or/CoinMP 
[14:49] <seb128> I think it's easy enough to just write the MIR
[14:49] <oSoMoN> maybe check whether LO can be built with coinmp support, but have it as an optional dep?
[14:49] <hellsworth> i just assigned myself
[14:49] <seb128> or that
[14:50] <seb128> thx
[14:51] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:51] <seb128> nothing to review which we haven't already talked about there
[14:51] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:51] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:52] <seb128> the list is getting smaller which is nice
[14:52] <seb128> the sphinx failure probably needs investigating
[14:52] <seb128> anyone wanting to give it a try?
[14:53] <seb128> I will card it on the trello, if there is a volunteer please grab it, otherwise we will assign
[14:54] <seb128> colord build failure on s390x is an endian issue according to RAOF who is the Debian maintainer, we will let it to him for now
[14:55] <seb128> other items are either things blocked on transition or new ones or flacky I think
[14:55] <oSoMoN> seb128, there's a newer sphinx in the release pocket already
[14:55] <seb128> let's revisit those that are still there next week
[14:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, ah, let me retrigger see if that's enough to make thing happy, thx for noticing
[14:56] <seb128> or looks like doko did some of that and it's green
[14:57] <seb128> so hopefully it's resolved
[14:57] <seb128> k, let's move on
[14:57] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:57] <luna_> Wondering about the Daily Hirsute builds, some days it only builds ARM64 and not AMD64 is that expected?
[14:57] <seb128> one topic from me, I sent an email but also mentioning it, please review your trello cards and get them updated
[14:58] <seb128> luna_, there was a bug in one of the ISO building jobs which we fixed earlier today, amd64 image is back now
[14:58] <luna_> seb128: ah alright cool :)
[14:58] <seb128> np!
[14:58] <seb128> @trello, please update your cards by eow, after that I will personally bag you until it's done :)
[14:58] <seb128> any other topic?
[14:59] <luna_> yep its up in 2 minutes on the mirror i use thanks :)
[14:59] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack
[14:59] <seb128> alright, if there is no other topic it's a wrap
[14:59] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec  1 14:59:56 2020 UTC.  
[14:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-12-01-14.30.moin.txt
[14:59] <seb128> thanks everyone!
[14:59] <didrocks999> thanks!
[14:59] <Trevinho> ouch
[15:00] <luna_> thanks
[15:00] <marcustomlinson> bag or nag? ;)
[15:00] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:00] <Trevinho> well I wanted to ask about https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/removal-of-gnome-shell-extension-from-universe-and-stop-auto-syncs/18437/4 
[15:00] <oSoMoN> nag in a bag
[15:00] <seb128> marcustomlinson, lol, I can arrange a bag no worry ;)
[15:00] <Trevinho> if someone can have a look at that
[15:01] <seb128> Trevinho, I will card it and handle, basically I was waiting for .7 to be uploaded to follow with the SRU team about the testing plan and sort that as well
[15:01] <Trevinho> seb128: sure, this is for hirsute though
[15:01] <Trevinho> even though there are a list of extensions that should be allowed
[15:02] <Trevinho> probably best way is to search which one is comfing from a source package != the extension itself
[15:02] <seb128> Trevinho, right, not hurry there though, but we need to revisit the list, jbicha pointed out that some need integration and make sense as a deb
[15:02] <seb128> also
[15:02] <Trevinho> yes
[15:02] <Trevinho> that's why I wrote the above sentence
[15:08] <luna_> drag and drop from the desktop to nautlius hangs on yesterdays hirsute build too
[15:10] <Laney> kill the desktop icons!
[15:10] <Laney> put a game there instead
[15:10] <Laney> (lander)
[15:10] <luna_> Laney: :P 
[15:11] <marcustomlinson> I tried dragging a game to nautlius, hangs as well
[15:12] <Laney> you could render the filesystem as the environment in the game
[15:12] <Laney> have to land on a program to execute it
[15:12] <Laney> or shoot stuff to delete
[15:12] <Laney> this is a great idea /me goes to find a VC
[15:13] <marcustomlinson> with a 60s countdown to complete the game otherwise the disk is formatted
[15:13] <Laney> bloody hell
[15:14] <luna_> seb128: its broken in hirsute too
[15:14]  * Laney makes a note to review marcustomlinson's feature ideas :>
[15:14] <seb128> luna_, thanks for confirming
[15:14] <Laney> [harsh mode]
[15:15] <luna_> gonna try to rest away my headache now, but cya next week again
[15:29] <seb128> luna_, oh, get better!