[02:14] good morning [07:22] good morning [07:23] Good morning [11:36] Hi, I'm using GNOME terminal, and I see it is based on VTE. I'm confused on what the VTE provides, and what GNOME terminal provides on top? [11:39] Does VTE like provide all these graphical elements (which are customizable) and GNOME put them together? [11:44] croraf: aiui vte is just the terminal widget [11:45] i might be wrong, though, you should ask the gnome people [11:50] I'm confused about the term "widget". From my understanding widgets are buttons, scrolls, scroll wrappers, labels, plain panels. Every UI element is one widget. [11:50] ducasse, [11:50] what do you mean by gnome people, you mean irc gnome channel? [11:51] (if such exists) [11:51] yeah, they have their own irc network, see their website [11:52] the terminal inside the window is a widget [11:52] aiui, at least [12:39] thanks [19:37] so, once upon a time, several people helped me understand how the names of various services fit in the heirarchy of an ubuntu OS; re-reading the logs (thank you ducasse, sarnold, mgedmin, daftykins) I am left with 2 questions: [19:42] i think you have 4 people (those you just highlighted) waiting in tight anticipation for those 2 questions now. [19:42] lol [19:42] I keep proofing my questions [19:43] and hopefully those 4 people just feel appreciated :) [19:45] nonetheless, the general feeling I got was that dwm doesn't seem like a trival thing to implement especially (perhaps?) in an Ubuntu environment, but clearly people do..... rereading it, I think someone was saying it's just not easy to switch back-and-forth between gnome-shell and dwm so maybe that's not a question [19:46] the other more direct question is: if you use something other than one of the main underlying programs associated with gnome (for example, dwm instead of gnome-shell), is it "gnome" anymore? and consequently is it ubuntu anymore? [19:53] ash_worksi: there's a lot that goes into "ubuntu": the default choices made for every level of the stack, security support, community support, etc [19:54] ash_worksi: there's kubuntu and xubuntu and lubuntu and ubuntu studio and I'm sure i"m missing some.. [19:54] ash_worksi: all are various takes on what it means to be "ubuntu" [19:55] ash_worksi: dwm is far from trivial to implement because the way to configure dwm is to edit the source code and recompile it; that doesn't work well with tens of millions of users :) you're going to have a small group at best, and they'll all want it to be something different [19:58] sarnold: so what are people running dwm on? archlinux or something? [19:58] ash_worksi: or ubuntu or debian or gentoo or slackware or something they maintain themselves or void or nix or .. :) [20:00] and are you basically saying, "it wouldn't be gnome because the pieces of software that make gnome are so tightly inter-dependant, that swapping one would effectively evolve a different DE" ? [20:00] I see [20:08] yeah once you take gnome-shelkl out of gnome, then you're 'just' using gnome applications with your own window manager :) [20:14] thanks sarnold