[08:39] <lubot> <Leokolb> Any thoughts on "hibernation" in Lubuntu? It is on the leave menu but does not work -no swap partition in default install.
[10:01] <RyuKurisu[m]> <lubot "<Leokolb> Any thoughts on "hiber"> Well according to <kc2bez>: Calamares {Lubuntu's installer} doesn't currently create swap on any filesystem(in Lubuntu anyway). It is in the works for the next release I package though. We've been waiting on swap file support.
[10:02] <RyuKurisu[m]> <lubot "<Leokolb> Any thoughts on "hiber"> You can however create a swap partition manually before install and use that AFAIK 
[10:04] <lubot> <kc2bez> If a proper size swap is created does hibernation work?
[10:07] <lubot> <T> Lol what? How is that possible
[10:09] <RyuKurisu[m]> <lubot "<kc2bez> If a proper size swap i"> I have yet to test that, but I think it should.  You probably have to create your partition scheme before you start the installer and during the partition section in the installer choose to select manually.
[10:10] <RyuKurisu[m]> <RyuKurisu[m] "I have yet to test that, but I t"> If you use normal ext4 for your file system your can probably create a swapfile with a running system, I haven't been able to create one while running Btrfs 
[10:13] <lubot> <Leokolb> @kc2bez [If a proper size swap is created does hibernation work?], I can test this later today and report back.
[10:14] <lubot> <kc2bez> @Leokolb [I can test this later today and report back.], That sounds good.
[10:14] <lubot> <Leokolb> @RyuKurisu[m]> <lubot "<kc2bez> If a proper size swap i" [<RyuKurisu[m]> <lubot "<kc2bez> If a proper size swap i"> I have yet to test tha …], You can create the swap file while running the installer ..will test ..
[10:15] <guiverc> When @Leokolb asked about hibernation, I tried it on this (my primary) box and it didn't hibernate.. 
[10:16] <guiverc> though is so heavily modified, I'd trust a recent QA-test install more once swap was enabled
[10:16] <lubot> <kc2bez> @guiverc [<guiverc> When @Leokolb asked about hibernation, I tried it on this (my primary) …], What size swap do you have?
[10:17] <guiverc> 9.5gb
[10:17] <guiverc> 8gb ram
[10:17] <guiverc> & according to `free -h` it'd fit
[10:19] <lubot> <kc2bez> Yeah, that points back at hibernate.
[10:20] <RyuKurisu[m]> But TBH I think this is more support related questions than development, but I could be wrong ¯_(ツ)_/¯
[10:22] <lubot> <Leokolb> @RyuKurisu[m] [<RyuKurisu[m]> But TBH I think this is more support related questions than devel …], well actually I asked as this is default on our menu and I was wondering if it should be,,
[10:22] <lubot> <kc2bez> @RyuKurisu[m] [<RyuKurisu[m]> But TBH I think this is more support related questions than devel …], Yes and no, we need to figure out what settings we are missing.
[10:22] <guiverc> If it can be made to work, another change could be made in the manual to cover how to set it up.. (ie. fix, pushing more work on lynorian maybe, or maybe removal from menu?)
[10:23] <lubot> <Leokolb> right ..lets get the testing done and see where we stand..by the way ubuntu has this disabled by default ass far as I know
[10:23] <lubot> <kc2bez> So there may be something else we are missing besides swap.
[10:25] <guiverc> as a stop gap measure (once worked out how), a question & answer can be added to askubuntu, and/or place something on the discourse too
[10:30] <lubot> <Leokolb> @kc2bez [So there may be something else we are missing besides swap.], Of interest https://askubuntu.com/questions/1240123/how-to-enable-hibernate-option-in-ubuntu-20-04
[10:30] <lubot> <kc2bez> @guiverc [<guiverc> as a stop gap measure (once worked out how), a question & answer can b …], I like the idea of using Discourse because then we can change it as we go.
[10:31] <lubot> <Leokolb> @kc2bez [I like the idea of using Discourse because then we can change it as we go.], same here - agree
[10:35] <guiverc> I see askubu as editable, me & teward, maybe others have edit rights..
[10:46] <lubot> <Leokolb> Suspend works fine..another question is do we really need hibernate?How many users have complained? thinking outloud,,
[10:47] <guiverc> I've seen at least 3 ask for hibernate.. myself I use suspend only, but desktop.. I'm not worried about battery power
[13:57] <RyuKurisu[m]> I haven't asked actively, but I also want hibernation on my laptop
[13:59] <RyuKurisu[m]> I'm not too concerned about  hibernation on a desktop, but my primary Linux system is a laptop
[14:04] <teward> *was pinged*
[14:05] <lubot> <kc2bez> @teward [<teward> *was pinged*], You were?
[14:06] <teward> by guiverc overnight yes
[14:07] <lubot> <kc2bez> Oh yeah, about AskUbuntu.
[14:08] <lubot> <kc2bez> I think it was mentioned that you have edit capabilities on AskUbuntu.
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[15:09] <teward> if you want to be fair
[15:09] <teward> i'm a moderator on Ask Ubuntu
[15:09] <teward> I have the full range of permissions on the site :p
[15:09] <teward> not just edit privs ;)
[15:10] <teward> but edit privs are rep controlled - there's a lot of others with edit access
[15:10] <teward> Ask Ubuntu community elected moderator*
[15:23] <lubot> <Leokolb> No luck yet with hibernation..but also saw this at UBC - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/re-visiting-hibernate-on-ubuntu/15953
[15:41] <KGIII> Even I can edit questions and answers on AskUbuntu. Though I'm pretty sure that  they stopped giving me points to do it.
[18:49] <lubot> <Leokolb> Did several tests with Hibernation.tried swapfile (no good) swapdisk (almost) systems hibernates but starts new session on reboot- head going into cold water.more later
[18:51] <lubot> <Leokolb> one other thing re Hibernation - after creating swap file if i runhibernate from leave menu - no permission. Used "systemctl hibernate" instead.all suggestions welcome
[18:54] <lubot> <Leokolb> Re:Raspberry Pi4 - been playing with Ubuntu desk and installing Lubuntu-desktop on top - remove Gnome -so far looks good-
[19:21] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: re: btrfs being crabby about swap https://askubuntu.com/questions/1206157/can-i-have-a-swapfile-on-btrfs
[19:28] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: also kernels <5.0 didn't support swap files AT ALL on btrfs
[19:28] <wxl> @Leokolb there's some deep info here with some very specific stuff with regards to the swap file https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate
[19:52] <wxl> hey does anyone HAVE windows where they can confirm rufus does or does not default to ntfs? it seems that the ubuntu docs suggest fat32 as the default but i was kind of getting the feeling the opposite was true. https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#4-boot-selection-and-partition-scheme
[19:53] <wxl> either way, it would be nice to get some clarity
[19:53] <wxl> and it would be nice to see if ubuntu fails similarly to lubuntu
[19:53] <wxl> and then update the appropriate docs 
[20:13] <RyuKurisu[m]> wxl guiverc remember that autorotate script I shared earlier?  After some editing, it seems to work.  However it doesn't autodetect my pointers (touchpad & -screen), do any of you know of a reliable way to scrape that information from somewhere?
[20:14] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "RyuKurisu: also kernels <5.0 did"> I know, but 20.04 is >=5.0 right? 
[20:16] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "RyuKurisu: re: btrfs being crabb"> I'm looking at scripting to *perfectly set up Btrfs* on a fresh install
[20:18] <RyuKurisu[m]> <RyuKurisu[m] "wxl guiverc remember that autoro"> BTW, why does the touchscreen move the pointer in LXQt, unlike Budgie that registered as touch events?
[20:19] <wxl> !info src:linux focal
[20:19] <ubot93> 'linux (5.4.0-56.62, focal): Packages linux-source-5.4.0, linux-headers-5.4.0-56, linux-tools-common, linux-tools-5.4.0-56, linux-cloud-tools-common, linux-cloud-tools-5.4.0-56, linux-tools-host, linux-libc-dev, linux-doc, linux-image-unsigned-5.4.0-56-generic, linux-modules-5.4.0-56-generic, linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-56-generic, linux-headers-5.4.0-56-generic, linux-image-unsigned-5.4.0-56-generic-dbgsym, linux- (3 more messages)
[20:20] <wxl> ^ yep.
[20:26] <lubot> <franksmcb> wxl latest Rufus (3.13.1730) defaults to FAT32. I'll post a screen shot here in Telegram
[20:26] <lubot> <franksmcb> (Photo, 474x580) https://i.imgur.com/pZHFVti.jpg
[20:29] <wxl> thanks @franksmcb. now the next thing we need to figure out is whether or not rufus with ntfs behaves correctly on ubuntu. if it does not, then we should have the ubuntu docs (which we link to) updated. if not, we should adjust our own docs.
[20:30] <wxl> …or perhaps figure out why it doesn't work
[20:33] <lubot> <Leokolb> @wxl [<wxl> @Leokolb there's some deep info here with some very specific stuff with re …], tks..
[20:46] <RyuKurisu[m]> !info src:linux-headers bionic
[20:46] <ubot93> Package linux-headers does not exist in bionic
[20:47] <RyuKurisu[m]> !info src:linux bionic
[20:47] <ubot93> 'linux (4.15.0-126.129, bionic): Packages linux-source-4.15.0, linux-doc, linux-headers-4.15.0-126, linux-libc-dev, linux-tools-common, linux-tools-4.15.0-126, linux-cloud-tools-common, linux-cloud-tools-4.15.0-126, linux-tools-host, linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-126-generic, linux-modules-4.15.0-126-generic, linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-126-generic, linux-headers-4.15.0-126-generic, linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-126-generic-dbgsym,  (3 more messages)
[20:47] <lubot> <franksmcb> wxl Ubuntu MATE at one time linked to the Ubuntu docs. When we updated our website we created our own guide and changed to balenaEtcher. I've installed Ubuntu on the test machine ATM with a rufus made usb with NTFS formatting. … The Ubuntu docs do need updating, as the need to select FreeDOS in the Boot selection is outdated. It aut
[20:47] <lubot> o selects to Disk or ISO image (Please select) and that works correctly.
[20:49] <wxl> @fransmcb but did the switch NTFS cause any problems?
[20:49] <lubot> <kc2bez> I wonder if it is the way Calamares copies the squashfs?
[20:50] <lubot> <franksmcb> wxl it did not. I’ll try Lubuntu next.
[20:50] <wxl> @franksmcb i know it is problematic in lubuntu, so no need. 
[20:50] <lubot> <franksmcb> Ok
[20:52] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "^ yep."> Ubuntu 18.04.3 and up have kernel 5.0 or higher 😏
[20:53] <wxl> @franksmcb why the change to balenaEtcher?
[20:56] <lubot> <Leokolb> Rufus ok in Lubuntu with NTFS if you select "write in dd mode"
[20:57] <wxl> i think the issue is less about writing and more about installation
[20:59] <lubot> <franksmcb> wxl we have users complain about rufus in the forums and etcher is cross platform for windows, mac, and linux.
[21:01] <wxl> @franksmcb seems mate is still recommending rufus or am i missing something? https://guide.ubuntu-mate.org/#downloading-installing
[21:01] <lubot> <franksmcb> https://ubuntu-mate.org/faq/usb-image/
[21:02] <lubot> <franksmcb> I'll get with Larry on that. Thanks
[21:02] <wxl> thanks
[21:38] <RyuKurisu[m]> <RyuKurisu[m] "wxl guiverc remember that autoro"> wxl in case you want to follow the progress, I'll load up the updated script tomorrow over here: https://gitlab.com/RyuKurisu/autorotate-sam 
[21:39] <RyuKurisu[m]> (sam stands for 'screen and mouse')
[21:42] <RyuKurisu[m]> <RyuKurisu[m] "I'm looking at scripting to *per"> wxl and here is the first set up of that script I mentioned earlier: https://gitlab.com/RyuKurisu/better-btrfs-ubuntu