[00:08] <Projectui> Anyone active? Have question about FakeRaid and getting the volume to become available to the OS.
[00:13] <sarnold> Projectui: irc works best with specific questions
[00:13] <sarnold> Projectui: that said, it's probably worth skipping 'fake raid' things and just using mdadm / lvm / zfs / btrfs (skip btrfs raid5/6 things) instead
[00:13] <Projectui> sarnold: I get that, but lately I've asked in other channels and have yet to get replies. Thought I would see if anyone was awake before a 2 week wait.
[00:14] <sarnold> Projectui: yeah, I can understand that
[00:14] <sarnold> Projectui: but fakeraid isn't used much in the linux world, so it could ujust be no one knew :)
[00:15] <Projectui> I'll just leave this here:  I set up EZRaid. dual 8tb platters in a Raid 1. I used dmraid to activate it. It shows as 2 drives on with one volume label. I can't figure out how to prepare the partition using parted to get the drive in a "windows" friendly format so I can also use those drives as a media host for my home network.
[00:16] <Projectui> I saw fakeraid as a term in my google searches. not sure if it's truly applicable in my instance.
[00:17] <matsaman> sounds like a good way to lose data
[00:17] <Projectui> matsaman: how is that?
[00:17] <sarnold> ah, if this is for use in windows instead of linux, you should probably ask in a windows forum :)
[00:19] <Projectui> um.. .this is Ubuntu 20.04
[00:20] <Projectui> the drives will be shared to a network so windows machines can access it
[00:20] <Projectui> maybe I'm thinking about the format wrong
[00:20] <Projectui> the OS is going to be hosting the drive, and translating where the data goes
[00:20] <Projectui> but I still need to get the drive partitioned and formatted.
[00:21] <matsaman> seems like you're trying to use RAID as a solution to having a second copy of your data
[00:21] <elias_a> Projectui: What is your use case? File server?
[00:21] <matsaman> but the purpose of RAID is to have data be more accessible by however many copies you have of it, and not to actually keep all those copies around
[00:22] <Projectui> well.. this box is a multi-tasking rig. Large array for file storage, smaller nvme drive for game hosting and websites.
[00:22] <matsaman> you can mirror data with RAID, but that's not its purpose
[00:23] <elias_a> Projectui: So RAID to be on the safer side?
[00:23] <Projectui> yeah.
[00:24] <Projectui> I'll probably end up sticking another 8tb drive back home so I can have an off-site copy
[00:24] <elias_a> Projectui: If the data and/or services are of value, I'd go for a real RAID setup.
[00:26] <elias_a> Projectui: But as matsaman said RAID is meant for mirroring inside a disk array.
[00:27] <Projectui> I understand raid. I am mirroring my 2 drives. Is the ezraid functionality of my motherobard not considered actual raid?
[00:28] <elias_a> Projectui: To be honest I do not know about ezraid. Probably someone else knows the answer.
[00:30] <Projectui> ok. lets try this. if someone has a Raid 1 setup. how do they parition the drives to be accessable by ubuntu? imagine the drives are detected, and activated? What would the next step be?
[00:34] <elias_a> Projectui: This guide might be of interest: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[00:35] <elias_a> That is quite old though...
[00:37] <Projectui> I found something similar, and I'm going to work through it for a moment
[00:38] <elias_a> Projectui: Good luck! I'll hit the bed now. :)
[00:38] <derpadmin> Projectui, ezraid will probaby create an hardware and present 1 disk to ubuntu
[00:39] <derpadmin> *an hardware raid
[00:39] <derpadmin> not sure how easy the recovery will be if the mobo dies
[00:40] <sarnold> if you use zfs it's piece of cake, pop drives into another computer and run zpool import and you're online again
[00:40] <sarnold> I've not used the others myself so I can't give as easy advice :)
[00:42] <Projectui> derpadmin: this is stuff like family photos and such. having an offsite backup should be ok versus going full enterprise hardware raid.
[00:43] <sarnold> raid gives you time to replace a harddrive; backups save you from fire or accidental deletes or ransomware
[00:43] <derpadmin> raid != backup
[00:44] <derpadmin> like sarnold said...
[00:44] <Projectui> then what is raid 10 used for?
[00:44] <Projectui> sorry
[00:44] <derpadmin> mirroring + speed
[00:44] <Projectui> didn't have my thought complete
[00:46] <Projectui> I want the raid 1 here at the house so I can host files with a little safety. If anything does happen to one of the drives, I can bring it back up. if anything happens to the server, say blows up, or house implodes, I have the backup.
[00:46] <derpadmin> then you are all set
[00:46] <TxJorge> Hi, i'm trying to set up my /home directory on a separate drive from my main os install.  In the partition editor of the installer, I see 3 existing partitions on my drive, sda1 which is type fat32 and size 536MB, sda2 which is type efi and size 537MB, and sda5 which is type ext4 and size 67GB.  Anyone know what the fat32 partition is used for?  This drive previously had ubuntu installed.
[00:46] <derpadmin> I usually preach the 3-2-1 method for backup
[00:47] <derpadmin> it is hard to go wrong with that one
[00:47] <derpadmin> 3 copies, 2 different medias, 1 offsite location
[00:50] <sarnold> TxJorge: hmm, normally I'd have guessed the fat32 partition *is* the EFI partition..
[01:09] <Guest_63> hi all, hoping to get some help with an issue I'm having
[01:09] <Guest_63> I have an Ubuntu 20.10 install with full disk encryption turned on... got a new machine and tried to put the drive in there, seems like that hosed something
[01:10] <Guest_63> in my boot messages I now get things like "timed out waiting for the device /dev/disk/by-uuid/<uuid>..."
[01:11] <Guest_63> and and things like "dependency failed for..." and a reference to some partition
[01:12] <Guest_63> this happens in the new box and also in the old box
[01:12] <Guest_63> I suspect it's some bootloader / uefi / bios thing, but not sure... would appreciate any suggestions
[01:16] <sarnold> Guest_63: if you boot to a live instance (usb stick), does the drive show up at all?
[01:16] <Guest_63> @sarnold yes it does
[01:16] <sarnold> Guest_63: can you unlock it there?
[01:17] <Guest_63> I'm not sure, I've done it before but forgot how to do the luks stuff in the live cd, also unsure what to do to fix
[01:18] <Guest_63> it's strange actually, it seems like I can view folders on the drive without entering in decryption pw, which shouldn't be possible? perhaps I only encrypted /home (thinking face)
[01:19] <Guest_63> but yes, any suggestions on how to fix would be great, even pointing me to some docs
[01:21] <sarnold> Guest_63: it's been a year or so since I've done any luks stuff by hand.. here's the cryptsetup page https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/groovy/man8/cryptsetup.8.html
[01:23] <sarnold> sheesh, there's no way to just ask for 'status' without a name. :/
[01:27] <Guest_63> thanks for the doc, will see how far that gets me
[01:28] <Guest_63> do you know what I should do with cryptsetup to fix my install?
[01:28] <sarnold> I don't :/ I'm just curious if the drive unlocks as expected, to rule out eg drive data changes
[01:29] <Guest_63> oh gotcha
[02:30] <Blade-Runner> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, are we having fun? ;)
[03:34] <hwpplayer1> hi there!
[03:36] <sharktamer> hi all
[03:36] <sharktamer> was wondering if it's possible to use cloudinit with a home pc
[03:38] <sharktamer> got an intel nuc I want to be able to setup headless
[03:42] <sarnold> sharktamer: heh, good question. there may not be a pre-made image that'd be well-suited for the instance though
[03:42] <sarnold> hey hwpplayer1
[03:42] <sarnold> sharktamer: this is aimed at VMs rather than hardware, but I think most of it may be useful for you https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart
[03:46] <hwpplayer1> sarnold: How are you doing ? Can i pm you ?
[03:46] <sarnold> hwpplayer1: I'm about done for the day; besides, irc works best in the open, since then anyone can contribute :)
[03:47] <hwpplayer1> sarnold: Okay just one line message here comes
[03:47] <hwpplayer1> https://youtu.be/0z3yusiCOCk
[03:47] <hwpplayer1> That is Why we need a different container purely for apps - Mark Shuttleworth (Canonical)
[03:47] <hwpplayer1>  
[03:48] <sarnold> oh wow 2016
[03:49] <hwpplayer1> "I'm on hackathon mode"
[03:50] <sarnold> snaps and lxd, neat
[03:53] <EnchanterTim> Hello
[03:53] <EnchanterTim> https://github.com/KDE/plasma-framework/blob/master/src/plasmaquick/dialog.cpp#L782
[03:53] <EnchanterTim> I need to patch this function in KDE. I am on Ubuntu 20.04
[03:54] <EnchanterTim> I have tried apt-file search 'plasmaquick/dialog.cpp' but I can't find it
[03:54] <EnchanterTim> Which ubunt package contains this file, so that I may patch it and rebuild it
[03:54] <sarnold> apt-file only searches binary packages, not sources
[03:54] <EnchanterTim> Oh
[03:54] <sarnold> hold on a second
[03:54] <EnchanterTim> Take your time
[03:55] <sarnold> EnchanterTim: it's in the plasma-framework source package
[03:55] <EnchanterTim> how did you find out?
[03:56] <sarnold> EnchanterTim: I've got the entire archive unpacked locally
[03:56] <sarnold> EnchanterTim: combined with https://plocate.sesse.net/ it's pretty quick to answer these kinds of questions
[03:57] <EnchanterTim> Ok
[03:57] <EnchanterTim> Nice
[03:57] <sarnold> EnchanterTim: you could also search for the contents on the debian code search tool, it's kinda close: https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=__plasma_frameSvg
[03:58] <sarnold> EnchanterTim: if you search for Dialog::Dialog, you'll drown in results, so sometimes you've got to try for something less common
[03:59] <sarnold> EnchanterTim: and of course not all debian packages are in ubuntu, not all ubuntu packages are in debian, and I think there's even cases of same-named packages sharing nothing in common, but don't quote me on that -- but it's close enough most of the time
[04:12] <EnchanterTim> -rw-r----- 1 root root 33779089 Dec  1 21:11 /var/lib/mlocate/plocate.db
[04:12] <EnchanterTim> Doh
[04:12] <EnchanterTim> Sorry was setting up this plocate thing
[04:12] <EnchanterTim> it's nice. fast.
[04:12] <EnchanterTim> ok, thanks for the tippings
[04:13] <EnchanterTim> /var/lib/mlocate/plocate.db: Permission denied
[04:13] <EnchanterTim> Hunh. Permission has to be user
[04:15] <EnchanterTim> Wow. This thing is super fast!
[04:17] <EnchanterTim> W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'plasma-framework_5.68.0-0ubuntu1.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
[04:18] <EnchanterTim> I ran sudo apt-get source plasma-framework
[04:20] <EnchanterTim> Ok I got it
[04:20] <EnchanterTim> https://bpa.st/B5MA https://bpa.st/YYZA and need patching for Xmonad. I'll try that and rebuild the thing.
[04:21] <EnchanterTim> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/174 patch was proposed here, but for  diff version than what I probably have in 20.04
[04:21] <EnchanterTim> So I can't blindly apply it, gotta edit the source myself. Wish me luck!
[04:29] <EnchanterTim> Hunh. It's just commenting out two lines that do a visibility flag
[04:41] <EnchanterTim> Well no luck. source edited and package rebuilt and still no workoarond
[04:42] <EnchanterTim> https://bpa.st/LMLQ But I do have new info
[04:42] <EnchanterTim> When I click the menu icon on panel, this messages appears
[04:42] <EnchanterTim> trying to show an empty dialog
[04:44] <EnchanterTim> https://www.mail-archive.com/kde-bugs-dist@kde.org/msg252889.html Found something more!
[04:48] <EnchanterTim> https://phabricator.kde.org/D12876
[04:48] <EnchanterTim> Commenting out those two bits in the two functions effectiely undoes the bugfix that causes this bug
[04:55] <Guest20> Hi there, when i create a user and switch to the newly created user and then type passwd
[04:55] <Guest20> it says enter the current password
[04:55] <Guest20> what would be the current password, when a user gets created - no password is set
[05:05] <imbezol> Guest20: if you didn't set a password then the user account will be locked
[05:05] <imbezol> you need to set a password using the root account or sudo
[05:06] <imbezol> echo "username:password" | chpasswd
[05:07] <imbezol> or
[05:07] <imbezol> echo "username:password" | sudo chpasswd
[05:37] <EnchanterTim> YES!
[05:37] <EnchanterTim> IT WORKS!
[05:38] <EnchanterTim> OMG Xmonad plus Plasma now works again! Ahh boy. That was the reason I was stuck on KDE of 18.04
[05:39] <EnchanterTim> Nothing to patch, I just reverted the two mentioned functions from the kde commit that broke Xmonad functionality.
[05:39] <EnchanterTim> That is a KDE bugfix for their own panel stuff/dialog in new Qt 5.10 api so I can't expect them to revert it to fix solely for xmonad
[05:39] <EnchanterTim> anyway, thanks for your help.
[05:43] <Guest20> lets say usera created a file inside a dir with stick bit set, now if userb tries to delete the file created by usera with sudo . the file gets deleted
[05:43] <Guest20> i set the sticky bit dir permission with 1777
[07:23] <samuelrajan747> Is there a coverflow Alt+Tab utility for wayland? (For use with sway, not with a DE like Gnome or KDE)
[07:33] <hackers> ;;
[07:34] <hackers> what's the minimalist release of ubuntu?
[07:35] <samuelrajan747> hackers: go for #archlinux or Ubuntu Server
[07:35] <hackers> wy?
[07:35] <hackers> why?
[07:36] <samuelrajan747> I love that
[07:37] <hackers> I'm looking or a deb based OS, Debian has some minimal netinstall, ubuntu has ubuntu-server but it's quite different than ubuntu releases targetting users
[07:37] <hackers> glad you love it
[07:37] <hackers> I love it too
[07:37] <samuelrajan747> recently Ubuntu is like my Spam folder
[07:38] <samuelrajan747> it has both tmux and screen, even htop preinstalled
[07:38] <hackers> did you mean "you love when people ask questions in general or mostky simple one-worded questions like `why?'" or was it sarcastic as-in anyon who don't take your word for it is a fool
[07:39] <hackers> in anycase I don't understand your comparison between your OS and your inbox
[07:40] <samuelrajan747> Ubuntu has many programs preinstalled for a minimalist end-user
[07:40] <hackers> is there a minimalist release of ubuntu? that shio with literally only what's nedded to make it function?
[07:41] <samuelrajan747> Install ubuntu server and edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:41] <hackers> I want full knoledge to have "complete understanding" and if I'm lucky or good enough that day "full control"
[07:42] <hackers> to include what?
[07:42] <hackers> but I rwad it did't support graphical interfaces
[07:42] <hackers> usually I instal xinit and its deps
[07:42] <samuelrajan747> you need to install it manually
[07:43] <samuelrajan747> go for a wayland based WM
[07:43] <hackers> plus a minimalist window manage called notion but spoken "not ion
[07:43] <hackers> "
[07:43] <samuelrajan747> i use swayWM
[07:44] <hackers> the thing is I never heard about wayland so I'm assumin i
[07:44] <hackers> m not interested in runnig it
[07:44] <hackers> or installing it
[07:44] <hackers> o configuring it!
[07:44] <hackers> I think I know it's a ubuntu thing
[07:44] <hackers> but that's about all
[07:45] <hackers> see
[07:45] <hackers> apt-cache search wayland | grep ^waylahd
[07:46] <hackers> that returhs nothing on my cutting edge unstable debian
[07:46] <hackers> samuelrajan747: why do you need wayland to rn swayVM?
[07:47] <hackers> ah there is this xwayland - Xwayland X server
[07:47] <hackers> so ubuntu doesn't use Xorg or X11?
[07:47] <hackers> it uses wayland instead
[07:47] <hackers> ?
[07:48] <samuelrajan747> sway can't run in X
[07:48] <samuelrajan747> it doesn't need xOrg
[07:49] <hackers> so it's the x windows system
[07:49] <samuelrajan747> you don't need xinit to run sway
[07:50] <hackers> and I can install wayland on ubuntu-server
[07:50] <samuelrajan747> if you want to run apps that only run in X under sway, you need xwayland (which includes xserver)
[07:51] <samuelrajan747> you must be able to install/uninstall anything in anything
[07:51] <hackers> I dno't relally care as long as it allows me to conigure my keyboard ike Xorg does via ~/.Xmpdap (bind caps=lock to ctrl)
[07:52] <samuelrajan747> it doesn't
[07:52] <hackers> and configure xterm the way I want like I do via .Xresource
[07:52] <hackers> and configure xterm the way I want like I do via .Xresources
[07:52] <hackers> really?
[07:52] <samuelrajan747> there are workarounds
[07:52] <hackers> no alternatives even?
[07:52] <hackers> yeah that's what I was thinking
[07:52] <samuelrajan747> there are
[07:52] <hackers> ok ok
[07:55] <hackers> I want a nice foundation to virtualize diffent distros and explore deploying software across the
[07:55] <hackers> I would only install GUIX but I think there's a learning curve to it
[07:57] <samuelrajan747> KVM\QEMU + virt-manager
[08:32] <locsmif_work> I made an upstart script, but it doesn't seem to run. Any idea why? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3a3170cb/
[08:53] <k_sze> With Ubuntu 20.04, what's the best/most correct way to quickly switch between different desktop environments (e.g. GNOME <-> KDE), assuming I want to use Wayland?
[08:54] <locsmif_work> Why is there no upstart-events manpage? Does it not exist?
[08:54] <k_sze> locsmif_work, what version of Ubuntu? I thought upstart is dead?
[08:54] <locsmif_work> Oh...
[08:55] <locsmif_work> Ubuntu 20.04.1
[08:55] <locsmif_work> k_sze: I wrote a script.. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3a3170cb/ .. does this mean I shouldn't have because I wrote it for a non-existing system?
[08:56] <zamba> all my dockerd stopped on the night to 1st december.. it this something known?
[08:57] <k_sze> @locsmif_work, possibly. You should be writing for systemd nowadays.
[08:59] <locsmif_work> k_sze: is there a link to an announcement?
[08:59] <locsmif_work> Well, shit, I need to change everything
[08:59] <k_sze> locsmif_work, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-July/039465.html
[09:00] <k_sze> upstart was deprecated a few years ago.
[09:02] <locsmif_work> k_sze: how do I start a script on GUI login now?
[09:03] <locsmif_work> And will it work on this Ubuntu version?
[09:06] <micmac> Hi, what would you advise for on the fly compression of file/folders in ubuntu ?
[09:07] <micmac> idealy i would like something that I can mount on an existing ext4 drive like /mydrive/some_compressed_path
[09:07] <micmac> also I need it to be readable and writable of course
[09:08] <locsmif_work> micmac: seems like quite the ask
[09:08] <micmac> is it ?
[09:08] <k_sze> locsmif_work, there are a few different ways, depending on what you want to run and what desktop environment you are using. I'm not an expert in the matter though.
[09:08] <locsmif_work> micmac: you don't want a filesystem with transparent compression?
[09:08] <k_sze> e.g. there's this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/8290652/432483
[09:08] <micmac> I've seen things like FUSE or btrfs while googling but I thought someone knew better here
[09:09] <locsmif_work> micmac: if the size can be fized, you use a loop mount
[09:09] <locsmif_work> fixed*
[09:09] <micmac> locsmif_work: well I have a drive that's almost full already, so I wouldn't want to move all the file then reformat it with a new fs
[09:10] <micmac> locsmif_work: ok so creating like a virtual partition with a compressed fs
[09:11] <locsmif_work> micmac: it's a fixed size file which you partition like any other, assign a filesystem to (one that supports compression) and then mount.
[09:12] <locsmif_work> micmac: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/368182/create-a-file-thats-treated-like-a-btrfs-file-system
[09:12] <locsmif_work> micmac: but the only surefire way to get rid of your problem is to copy to a new disk with btrfs, even if you could just borrow one temporarily
[09:12] <micmac> ok thanks
[09:13] <locsmif_work> micmac: with btrfs, you even have deduplication
[09:13] <locsmif_work> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Deduplication
[09:14] <locsmif_work> micmac: in a sense, you could conceivably free up space by moving stuff you don't use much to the loop mount, provided you aim for the perfect static loop file size, but it seems like whatever you do, you keep moving stuff about
[09:15] <locsmif_work> bbl
[09:15] <wyoung> gg
[09:19] <dob1> my user is in a group but when I use group it is not visible,  (I just relogged)
[09:20] <dob1> it says my user is just in this group... but it's not there when I type groups
[09:22] <k_sze> Odd, `apt install -s --install-suggests kubuntu-desktop` says `systemd-timesyncd` would be removed, though I can't see what would conflict with `systemd-timesyncd` in the output. Apparently the only possible conflict is `time-daemon`, but I don't see it in the output.
[09:53] <mort> 20.10 seems to have a real problem with anacron; half of my computer shutdowns take 90 seconds because anacron doesn't respond to sigterm
[10:03] <mgedmin> for me it was usually snapd that refused to quit on a signal during a reboot
[10:49] <Kurozen> Hekki
[10:50] <Kurozen> Hello*
[10:50] <Blade-Runner> hello
[10:52] <Kurozen> Ah nevermind
[10:52] <Blade-Runner> ok
[10:53] <Kurozen> I thought ubuntu doesn't output audio when idle/screen in standby
[10:53] <Kurozen> But because I'm switching monitor sources, audio source from HDMI doesn't work when in DisplayPort
[10:53] <Kurozen> Not an ubuntu problem.
[10:54] <BlueEagle> Kurozen: I'm glad we could help.
[10:55] <Blade-Runner> BlueEagle: :)
[11:35] <crst> Hi, where can I see on 20.04 why my port is blocked to the outside? ufw and firewalld are not running.
[11:41] <BlueEagle> crst: maybe `sudo iptables --list` can shed some light on it?
[11:41] <BlueEagle> crst: Also, are all ports blocked?
[11:55] <crst> BlueEagle: Not 100% sure if all ports are blocked but this is one node of a kubernetes cluster and something's messing with the access. Getting really complicated here. Atm I wanted to check if the issue arises from the server itself.
[12:09] <linux_daemon> hello all, i had WPS office installed, and it changed the mime types to all my files (downloaded or created) to its proprietary mime types. i removed wps, but it still when i redownload a file, it still stays the wps office mime type. how can i remove that?
[12:09] <linux_daemon> application/wps-office.xlsx
[12:09] <linux_daemon> it makes all xlsx files with this mime type
[12:10] <ThinkT510> can't you right-click... open with... and select a new default?
[12:12] <linux_daemon> tried it, but if i redownload some file, it goes again to that mime type
[12:13] <ThinkT510> isn't there a tickbox to make it the new default?
[12:13] <linux_daemon> there is, clicked it, but the newly downloaded files are still having that mime type
[12:16] <ThinkT510> you could try changing it using xdg-mime
[12:17] <linux_daemon> i'll try
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:27] <wyoung> G'day!
[12:29] <hwpplayer1> BluesKaj: wyoung How are you doing ?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hi hwpplayer1 , ok here, how about you?
[12:31] <hwpplayer1> BluesKaj: Very well and ready to contribute more then ever
[12:31] <BluesKaj> cool
[12:31] <hwpplayer1> BluesKaj: What are your interest of computing ?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> that's a question for oftopic, hwpplayer1, but I'm a a home user who prefers open source/linux
[12:36] <BluesKaj> offtopic even :-)
[12:39] <hwpplayer1> BluesKaj: That is good to me
[12:39] <hwpplayer1> Then i'll help you somehow
[12:40] <BluesKaj> no need, I'm here to help as welll
[13:00] <DarkTrick> Where can I get libgnomeui-2 for ubuntu?
[13:03] <jaydemir> new install based on Ubuntu 20.04, trying to ssh via hostname, doesn't work, only works by IP. "Could not resolve hostname..." Is there a command I can run to refresh whatever DNS settings? I'm able to connect to this host on other machines.
[13:14] <jaydemir> looking for a command that grabs all the hostnames off my local network so I dont have to keep using IP addresses when I ssh into other machines. Does anything like this exist?
[13:17] <jpds> jaydemir: mDNS is what you want
[13:19] <jaydemir> thank you trying that now
[13:20] <jpds> It's actually something done at a router-level, rather than at the host though
[13:20] <jaydemir> I get that, but I have a windows partition that has no problem running ssh to the hostname in the powershell
[13:21] <pavlos> jaydemir: is there a DNS in your local network or do you just connect to a router -> cable modem -> Internet?
[13:21] <jaydemir> If I'm not mistaken I even have an Ubuntu based distro on another machine that works just fine too
[13:22] <jaydemir> I have a 2-in-1 modem/router that connects to the internet
[13:22] <jpds> jaydemir: So your new box is probably using the wrong DNS server?
[13:22] <jpds> We have no way of knowing how your network is set up
[13:22] <jaydemir> I can't imagine why it's set to autmoatic
[13:22] <jaydemir> like it's a fresh install of FerenOS
[13:23] <jaydemir> everything is dead simple
[13:23] <jaydemir> I guess the only difference is I swapped routers, the old one's default gateway was 192.168.1.1 and this one is 192.168.0.1. Could that affect anything?
[13:24] <jpds> Yes
[13:24] <jpds> Your router is the one doing the DNS
[13:24] <jaydemir> but if the PC's network settings are set to "automatic" it should in theory just be using the correct DNS server regardless shouldn't it?
[13:26] <jaydemir> so I'm diving into my router and it is set to "get (DNS Address) automatically from ISP"
[13:27] <jpds> That's not what you're looking for, that's for DNS outside of your network
[13:27] <pavlos> jaydemir: systemd-resolve --status | grep DNS will list the DNS a host is using
[13:40] <jaydemir> best I can figure out is the host is using the same DNS IP as the router. I'm at a loss
[13:42] <pavlos> jaydemir: say your router is 192.168.0.1, it provides dhchp to the local netowkr. hostA gets 192.168.0.10, hostB gets 192.168.0.11. You can ping by ip but not by name. Is this correct?
[13:44] <jaydemir> yep exactly
[13:44] <jaydemir> but thats only the case on my phone and this PC I'm using. I have a laptop with a win/elementary dual boot that works just fine via hostname
[13:45] <jaydemir> my phone used to connect via hostname but when I swapped my router (going from 192.168.1.1 to ...0.1) I lost that ability and had to use the IP instead
[13:47] <pavlos> jaydemir: which router do you have, before/after swap?
[13:49] <jaydemir> before I had an ISP provided router, can't remember what it was. Now I'm using a Netgear nighthawk ac1900
[13:55] <pavlos> jaydemir: the netgear has a DNS section under Internet. What DNS (primary,secondary) have you provided?
[13:57] <jaydemir> its set to auto, I'm assuming it's getting them from the ISP
[13:58] <jaydemir> yeah I just looked up the address, it's my ISP
[13:58] <pavlos> jaydemir: these are so that when you type google.com, it finds the ip and resolves to the google site. We are talking about your internal local resolution between hostA and hostB
[13:59] <jaydemir> so you're saying there should be a second DNS option somewhere
[14:02] <pavlos> jaydemir: your router may not be able to locally resolve. jpds mentioned mDNS. on hostA, sudo systemd-resolve --set-mdns=yes --interface=the interface you have, enp0s2, wlan0, ...
[14:04] <pavlos> jaydemir: read this, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/459991/how-to-configure-systemd-resolved-for-mdns-multicast-dns-on-local-network
[14:22] <k_sze> So I've successfully transplanted my SSD from one laptop to another. I can boot Ubuntu from it (I'm in it right now), but I had to disable Secure Boot. How do I fix that?
[14:23] <EriC^> k_sze: type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[14:23] <EriC^> paste the link it gives you here
[14:25] <k_sze> EriC^, https://termbin.com/ivfs
[14:27] <jhave> Hello
[14:27] <jhave> I do not understand this
[14:28] <pavlos> jhave: 'this'??
[14:28] <EriC^> k_sze: type 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed
[14:28] <EriC^> k_sze: type 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed'
[14:28] <jhave> I have fucked up my resolver in 20.04
[14:29] <pavlos> jhave: language ...
[14:29] <jhave> Sorry
[14:29] <jhave> jhave@devbox:~$ ping google.com
[14:29] <jhave> ping: google.com: Temporary failure in name resolution
[14:29] <jhave> But its setup in netplan
[14:29] <k_sze> EriC^, and then I should be able to reboot and re-enable Secure Boot?
[14:30] <k_sze> EriC^, do I also have to do something about MOK? I have proprietary NVIDIA DKMS drivers, which are automatically signed with MOK or something, right?
[14:31] <jhave> https://gist.github.com/jhaveDK/21e22853e4651691a46917bc3ffe249c
[14:31] <pavlos> jhave: paste systemd-resolve --status | grep 'DNS Servers'
[14:31] <jhave> jhave@devbox:~$ systemd-resolve --status | grep 'DNS Servers'
[14:31] <jhave>          DNS Servers: 1.1.1.1
[14:33] <pavlos> jhave: netplan look ok
[14:33] <EriC^> k_sze: tbh i dont know about the drivers, somebody else might know though
[14:34] <EriC^> k_sze: if you run 'sudo efibootmgr -v' now, do you see a shimx64.efi file in the list?
[14:34] <jhave> as i understand do there run a local DNS server as default
[14:34] <k_sze> yep
[14:34] <jhave> DNS proxy*
[14:35] <pavlos> jhave: is your local DNS 192.168.1.1 ?
[14:36] <k_sze> Let me reboot first
[14:36] <EriC^^> k_sze: sorry i got dc, do you see shim?
[14:37] <jhave> I use a local pi hole server but there are no reason to use it
[14:37] <jhave> So 1.1.1.1/8.8.8.8 is fine
[14:37] <leftyfb> jhave: that means your pihole isn't working
[14:38] <leftyfb> jhave: set the public ip's as your DNS in netplan until you get your local DNS fixed
[14:39] <k_sze> EriC^^, yep, I saw the shim. I've already rebooted with Secure Boot enabled.
[14:39] <jhave> There are no reson to run pihole for this server, its only run docker containers
[14:39] <k_sze> I think I need to run sudo update-secureboot-policy --enroll-key
[14:40] <k_sze> rebooting again, brb
[14:53] <k_sze> yay. I think it's all working now.
[15:00] <jhave> I can see this output on another server there work :S
[15:00] <jhave> jhave@docker:~$ systemd-resolve --status | grep 'Current DNS Server'
[15:00] <jhave>   Current DNS Server: 1.1.1.1
[15:01] <jhave> But the non working server dont give any output
[15:15] <LordChaos> Hi, if I remove a snap package it seems the dependencies are not. Is this assumption correct?
[15:20] <pavlos> jhave: on the non-working server, systemctl status systemd-resolved.service
[15:49] <Sc0tty-> When I run apt update && apt upgrade on a 20.04 machine it fails to resolve some hosts, E: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.31-0ubuntu9.1_amd64.deb  Connection failed [IP: 91.189.88.142 80], why would it fail to reach some hosts?
[15:49] <Sc0tty-> I can hit the IP in a browser
[15:52] <LordChaos> Sc0tty-: it seems to resolve fien, are you sure it's a DNS issue?
[15:54] <Sc0tty-> LordChaos: I'm not sure it's a DNS issue, not sure what's going on. It can hit the majority of the addresses when doing apt upgrade but fails on a few
[15:54] <bumblefuzz> I have 2 servers
[15:54] <LordChaos> Sc0tty-: and if you try a dfferent mirror?
[15:54] <bumblefuzz> 1 displays motd
[15:54] <bumblefuzz> the other doesn't
[15:54] <Sc0tty-> LordChaos: I'll give that a go
[15:55] <bumblefuzz> the weird thing is the server that displays motd has it disabled in sshd_config
[15:55] <lemoszsh> someone had a problem with the hash sum? i guess i will have to change the mirror too
[15:55] <bumblefuzz> and the server that doesn't display motd has it enabled in sshd_confgi
[15:55] <lemoszsh> looks like it's a problem with the file size
[15:55] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help me figure out what's going on?
[15:57] <Maik> bumblefuzz: try #ubuntu-server if no one replies :)
[15:59] <N3bulaK> Hey all, What is the way to monitor CPU temps?
[15:59] <LordChaos> Sc0tty-: try es.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> Sc0tty-: if you sure its not your side, there's #ubuntu-mirrors for known issues on repos
[16:00] <LordChaos> thanks lotuspsychje
[16:00] <nilsson> hey, can someone here pass along a bug report to the package maintainer? the package in question is libpolyclipping-dev
[16:01] <Sc0tty-> LordChaos, I'll give it a go. I'm not 100% sure it's not my end as I can ping the IP it's failing to resolve in the apt upgrade
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> nilsson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpolyclipping no open bugs so it seems
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> nilsson: whats the issue you are having?
[16:03] <ajayahmed> with hosts.deny or hosts.allow is it possible to do an ALL EXCEPT an IP address list from a remote URL?
[16:05] <nilsson> lotuspsychje, the pkg-config file has a blank version field, which affects anything that builds/links to it
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> nilsson: are you compiling things yourself or?
[16:06] <nilsson> it's an upstream bug, but Arch and Void have worked around it by adding "-DVERSION=..." to the package build script
[16:06] <nilsson> lotuspsychje, no, I installed the package from the default repo
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> ok
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> nilsson: maybe you could file a new ubuntu !bug and point the upstream bug on your description?
[16:07] <nilsson> I'll report it upstream too, but the project hasn't had a release in years, so idk if this will warrant it
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-bug packagename
[16:08] <Sc0tty-> LordChaos: only 1 package is failing to upgrade now
[16:08] <Sc0tty-> E: Failed to fetch http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/snapd/snapd_2.48+20.04_amd64.deb  Connection failed [IP: 91.189.88.142 80]
[16:08] <phunyguy> Anyone know of a way to force all discovered LVM volumes to be up with systemd on boot? I want them up but since there is no actual mountpoint specified in fstab, they are left in a down state at the wrong time.  I have a custom unit that depends on those devices being up, but I can't find the right unit to put in After=.
[16:10] <nilsson> lotuspsychje, I'm not going to jump thru the hoops necessary to file a bug report in ubuntu (or debian). I just wanted to give you a heads up, incase someone here wanted to fix it
[16:10] <nilsson> I will file a bug upstream
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> allright nilsson
[16:10] <nilsson> thanks for your time
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> thank you for the report
[16:11] <N3bulaK> What is the best way to play windows games on Ubuntu?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> N3bulaK: wine, playonlinux, steam
[16:14] <N3bulaK> Thanks :)
[16:17] <zetheroo> Is it possible to have the nm-connection-editor in 20.04?
[16:17] <zetheroo> E: Unable to locate package nm-connection-editor
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: The NM-connections editor is where the user can edit and create the various connection types. To invoke the nm-connections editor you need to right-click on the nm-applet and then click on Edit Connections. Clicking on that option would result in a tabbed window called network connections having different ways to connect to the network/Internet.
[16:22] <coconut> N3bulaK, and lutris too
[16:24] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: ok, thanks. The right-click solution didn't work for me (maybe I am not using the nm-applet!?), but I was able to get it started by with Alt+F2  and then executing nm-connection-editor.
[16:29] <coconut> N3bulaK, but be carefull with adding ppa's as there is no support here for other repo's than the default.
[16:36] <pavlos> bumblefuzz: cat /run/motd.dynamic ... do you see it?
[16:37] <pavlos> bumblefuzz: the scripts are in /etc/update-motd.d/
[17:23] <spl33n> Hello all, i need help to install pidgin in ubuntu 20.10.
[17:23] <spl33n> I recently upgrade my ubuntu to latest 20.10 release. Since this moment, I cannot use pidgin, so I removed it; When I tried to reinstall it, it cannot login to the configured accounts.
[17:23] <spl33n> I tried to install pidgin from official ubuntu repository, also with flatpak build and manual build from source.
[17:31] <ikonia> I didn't even know pidgin still existed
[17:59] <Intelo> which package to use for l2tp  meraki vpn setup? The bottom of this page says  "Since Client VPN uses the L2TP over IPsec standard, any Linux client that properly supports this standard should suffice. Please note that newer versions of Ubuntu do not ship with a VPN client that supports L2TP/IP, and will therefore require a 3rd party VPN client that supports the protocol."
[17:59] <Intelo> https://documentation.meraki.com/MX/Client_VPN/Client_VPN_OS_Configuration
[18:01] <conr> does anybody have suggestions on the best way to connect to a ubuntu box on a home network with all other devices are macOS based? vnc?
[18:04] <leftyfb> conr: by "connect to" you mean a remote desktop? Otherwise, I suggest SSH
[18:05] <conr> leftyfb: yes screening sharing
[18:06] <leftyfb> conr: future reference: please specify that detail. "connect to" could mean dozens of protocols
[18:06] <leftyfb> conr: to answer your question, there's VNC, RDP and online services like teamviewer which are all options
[18:07] <conr> currently i use vino and create a ssh tunnel then connect over vnc
[18:08] <conr> but just curious if there's any other options, so there's no much lag with scrolling and mouse actions.
[18:17] <compdoc> I use x2go. I think theres a mac client
[18:34] <conr> compdoc: whats the difference then using native screen sharing in macos?
[18:41] <Legousk> Hello All
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> welcome Legousk
[18:41] <Legousk> I started relatively recently with Ubuntu, and I am very happy with it
[18:41] <Legousk> But I seem to have some freezing problems that I cannot get rid of
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> great to hear Legousk welcome to the community
[18:42] <Legousk> Thank you lotuspsychje!
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: can we see a dmesg of your system in a pastebin please?
[18:42] <mefistofeles> conr: commonly, those protocols that are proprietary and exclusive to some OS are optimized for them, so they use their local libraries and hardware for rendering, instead of transmitting bitmap with all the information, that can result in better latency
[18:44] <conr> mefistofeles: so you're point is x2go is better optimized?
[18:44] <mefistofeles> conr: compared to what?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> !paste | Legousk
[18:46] <Legousk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vdsdvtx5Nv/
[18:47] <conr> mefistofeles: macos native screensharing over vnc
[18:47] <Legousk> The freezing problems seem to happen without any real warning and do not seem to be related to something, or at least not something that comes to mind
[18:47] <mefistofeles> conr: I don't know about macos, sorry
[18:48] <Legousk> The only solution is to hard reboot
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: what kind of cpu inside?
[18:49] <pavlos> CPU0: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor
[18:49] <Legousk> Exactly ;-)
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> tnx pavlos
[18:49] <Legousk> Was looking for it, but you were quicker than myself
[18:50] <compdoc> Legousk, you should read the SMART info from your drives to see if they are dying. Also, if its a desktop, power supplies commonly go bad
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: can we see a paste of sudo lshw -C video aswell?
[18:51] <mefistofeles> compdoc: though, a complete freeze is hardle ever due to problems with storage. Most likely GPU related or RAM
[18:51] <mefistofeles> *hardly
[18:51] <compdoc> mefistofeles, not true
[18:52] <Legousk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3RN78yJfhm/
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: ubuntu-drivers list, gives you a few nvidia drivers?
[18:54] <Legousk> Yes, 6 to be exact
[18:54] <Legousk> Or at least 6 lines
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: ok, try to install one and reboot and see if you can improve your issue
[18:55] <pavlos> is there a recommended ?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: if not volunteers can help you with other steps
[18:56] <Legousk> Ok, I will need slightly more info than this to be sure I am doing the correct thing
[18:56] <Legousk> Reinstall? Uninstall first?
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: you can pick an nvidia driver from software&sources/tab additional drivers
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: you are using nouveau now, more reccomended to use the nvidia driver to get the most out your card
[18:59] <Legousk> I install 1 of them? Doesn't matter which one?
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: usualy the latest version, or one below are good choices
[19:01] <Legousk> Ok
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: you can also do what pavlos suggested, the reccomended one from terminal; ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[19:02] <Legousk> It is installing from Additional Drivers now. takes some time
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> ok, good luck Legousk
[19:02] <Legousk> Thank you for your help all :-)
[19:03] <Legousk> Hope this solves it, else I will for sure find somebody else to help me here
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> Legousk: this isnt a promise for your freezes, so if you keep having them, come back ok
[19:03] <Legousk> I will, don't worry. Thank you for your time.
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> np
[19:04] <Legousk> Learning a lot with Ubuntu, but there is still a steep curve ahead :D
[19:14] <Intelo> which package to use for l2tp  meraki vpn setup? The bottom of this page says  "Since Client VPN uses the L2TP over IPsec standard, any Linux client that properly supports this standard should suffice. Please note that newer versions of Ubuntu do not ship with a VPN client that supports L2TP/IP, and will therefore require a 3rd party VPN client that supports the protocol."
[19:14] <Intelo> https://documentation.meraki.com/MX/Client_VPN/Client_VPN_OS_Configuration
[19:14] <Intelo> I am using xubuntu
[19:15] <octav1a> Hey all, i'm trying to set apt to pull from deb repository on ubunt 18.04 as described in this post: https://jabriffa.wordpress.com/2019/06/27/installing-grid-engine-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts/ , however, the gridengine packages are still coming from bionic instead. How can I debug this?
[19:16] <octav1a> The reason i'm doing this is because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gridengine/+bug/1774302 , of which there is only a hacky 'copy over these library files' solution.
[19:19] <sarnold> octav1a: would it be easier to upgrade to focal and get the newer gridengine that way, rather than maintain a frankensystem?
[19:20] <jwhitmore> Thunderbird - Sorry I'm trying to remotely get a family member sorted with editing the existing email account configuration on their Thunderbird application. There's no longer a menu bar across the top of an application so there's no apparent way to edit the configuration. The very top "thunderbird" label just offers the "quit" option, and the "burger" menu option on the top right of the interface offers options on how to view emails, but no config
[19:20] <jwhitmore> options.  I got them to send me a picture and I'm none the wiser. Is the best way to edit the configuration to just edit the config files?
[19:21] <octav1a> sarnold: I tried focal first, and the same segfault bug is STILL in the main ubuntu repos (since 16.04)
[19:21] <octav1a> so it's either debs or manual compile, I think
[19:21] <sarnold> jwhitmore: I've never used thunderbird, but at least firefox lets you bring up the menu with alt+f (to bring up File) and then you can see the menu to interact with it
[19:21] <sarnold> octav1a: oh. bummer.
[19:22] <orogor> how do i setup dual boot if i have an efi partition ? would ubuntu natively support it or would it break with each update ?
[19:22] <sarnold> octav1a: usually pinning problems are made visible by running "apt policy" or "apt policy <packagename>" until you spot something
[19:22] <orogor> and i mean dual two ubuntu
[19:23] <EriC^^> orogor: yes ubuntu supports efi, itll use your efi partition in the installation
[19:23] <jwhitmore> sarnold, alf+f thanks I'll try that. Just looking at this picture and the email accounts are in a pain on the LHS so perhpas it's a right click. I'll try those
[19:23] <orogor> EriC^^,  /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg  makes reference to a single partition
[19:24] <orogor> EriC^^,  i am looking for dual booting two ubuntu , i guess i was not clear
[19:26] <EriC^^> orogor: you can use 1 grub for both, they'll both show up in the grub menu
[19:26] <octav1a> sarnold: Thank you for the suggestion. It seems that the priority from /etc/apt/preferences.d/debian is not being applied properly? I see something like this: https://bpa.st/YEAQ
[19:27] <octav1a> What is the significance of the two numbers 500/1000 and 500/10 ?
[19:28] <sarnold> octav1a: hmm, it says Candidate: <debian version>
[19:28] <sarnold> octav1a: would this be fixed by running sudo apt install -f ?
[19:29] <octav1a> I can install the debian one by running apt with "-t stretch" , but if I leave that out it uses the bionic one
[19:29] <octav1a> in between these I am purging, so nothing need be fixed.
[19:30] <octav1a> ok actually now it's working without -t
[19:30] <octav1a> ???
[19:31] <octav1a> I will start from scratch and see why
[20:38] <pavlos> octavia: man apt_preferences explains the priority numbers you see in apt-cache policy <pkg>
[22:39] <Franciman> Hi, I have an ubuntu oem
[22:39] <Franciman> is there a way to retrieve a diff file showing all the patches applied to the pure kernel to get the ubuntu oem?
[22:40] <jpds> Not unless you have the source package for that kernel
[22:40] <Franciman> if not, I should call my vendor, right?
[22:40] <Franciman> and if I do?
[22:41] <jpds> Yeah, you'd have to ask them for it
[22:43] <entourage> after I've installed fish how do I set fish as the default shell?
[22:43] <Franciman> you can use the chsh command
[22:47] <sarnold> Franciman: does apt policy report where you get the kernel from? perhaps they've packaged sources alongside the binaries to satisfy gpl obligations, in which case an apt-get source on the package name may do the job
[22:48] <Franciman> let me try, I don't know, I'm new to this
[22:48] <Franciman> I just want to get back to debian, with all the ubuntu patches :P
[22:48] <Franciman> there is something in the ath10k drivers that makes it work
[23:53] <nib_blockhead> Has anyone used Ubuntu as WSL in Win10?
[23:54] <dax> yep, support for it is in ##windows or #ubuntu-on-windows