[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:19] <RoyK> lordievader: morning
[10:19] <lordievader> Hey RoyK how are you doing?
[13:30] <eoli3n> where could i find differences between desktop and server isos ?
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: downloading the right link
[13:31] <eoli3n> read my question
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> you mean inside the iso?
[13:31] <eoli3n> what differs from a server install to desktop install ?
[13:42] <Ussat> Several things, what packages are installed mainly. Desktop has a GUI by default, server doies not
[13:43] <Ussat> You can put a GUI on a server, but meh....I see no reason to
[13:43] <Ussat> mainly what packages are installed by default
[13:44] <Ussat> if you really want ALL the differences, feel free to download them and compare package lists
[13:44] <Ussat> the "back end" is pretty much the same, its Linux
[13:52] <eoli3n> Ussat i install a desktop with server iso
[13:52] <eoli3n> i'm migrating from legacy deployment to uefi
[13:52] <eoli3n> with legacy i use netboot
[13:53] <eoli3n> but in uefi, i only can choose beetween ubuntu-server-live (900M) or ubunt-desktop-live (2.6G)
[13:53] <eoli3n> i use ubuntu server with autoinstall, at the end in late_command i run ansible in a chroot to finish configuration
[13:53] <eoli3n> (400 tasks, a big playbook, 400 packages)
[13:55] <Ussat> yes, and ?
[13:55] <eoli3n> then i wanted to know if my choice is ok, if i would use desktop iso instead
[13:55] <Ussat> it depends whaty you want. You can use either.
[13:55] <eoli3n> the lighest one is server, it seems to
[13:55] <Ussat> both will work
[13:56] <eoli3n> i want the lighest one, i just want to deboostrap the minimal system, ansible will install all needed packages
[13:56] <Ussat> Correct, server is lightest because it does not ahve all the desktop stuff baked in
[13:56] <Ussat> ok
[13:56] <eoli3n> thanks
[13:56] <Ussat> so, do that
[13:56] <Ussat> Thats exactly how I install my systems
[13:56] <eoli3n> second question is the reverted one
[13:56] <Ussat> both Ubuntu server and RHEL
[13:56] <eoli3n> will ubuntu server add some "stange" packages for a desktop ?
[13:57] <eoli3n> strange
[13:57] <Ussat> what do you mean strange packages. it only installs what you tell it to
[13:57] <Ussat> The "back end" of server and desktop are almost exactly the same
[13:57] <eoli3n> legacy netboot is minimal, but ubuntu-server might come with some extra tool, that i would remove with ansible
[13:58] <Ussat> So, I would do a test install, see whjats all installed and then yank out what you dont want
[13:58] <eoli3n> yep i will diff dpkg -l
[13:58] <eoli3n> i'm waiting for new install to finish
[13:58] <eoli3n> 45min...
[13:58] <Ussat> Just be sure you know what yopure yanking out
[13:59] <eoli3n> yanking ?
[13:59] <eoli3n> what does that mean ?
[13:59] <Ussat> pulling out, removing
[13:59] <eoli3n> yep
[13:59] <Ussat> same idea
[13:59] <eoli3n> avahi-daemon for exemple :)
[13:59] <eoli3n> netplan
[13:59] <Ussat> I like netplan, a LOT
[14:00] <eoli3n> but i don't need it
[14:00] <Ussat> well, you kinda do for networking
[14:00] <eoli3n> not really
[14:00] <eoli3n> if i remember well i do not use any network manager
[14:00] <eoli3n> i just set dhcp for my main interface in /etc/network/interfaces
[14:01] <Ussat> iF Yok, IF YOU WANT
[14:01] <Ussat> if you want.
[14:01] <eoli3n> ahaha
[14:01] <eoli3n> touret ?
[14:01] <eoli3n> :P
[14:02] <eoli3n> why would you use netplan ?
[14:02] <eoli3n> for the yaml syntax ?
[14:11] <Ussat> becauyse for a server, netplan is very flexible.
[14:29] <ogra> also /etc/network/interfaces is dead and gone since years ...
[14:30] <ogra> (in debian as well as ubuntu)
[14:35] <eoli3n> hm
[14:35] <eoli3n> lets use netplan then
[14:38] <Ussat> I think I said that...
[14:39] <Ussat> That server iso is pretty minimal
[15:23] <quadrathoch2> ogra idk where you got it but debian still uses ifupdown by default
[16:06] <ogra> quadrathoch2, oh ? i thought they dropped it along with ifconfig ?
[16:07] <ogra> (like we did too)
[16:11] <quadrathoch2> nope, still haning on tight :)  (they dropped ifconfig)
[16:11] <quadrathoch2> or rather net-tools
[19:06] <eoli3n> Hi
[19:07] <eoli3n> how do you configure netplan with unpredictible network interface name ?
[19:07] <eoli3n> for systemd-netword backend
[19:08] <ogra> did you check https://netplan.io/examples/ yet ?
[19:32] <teward> you'd use a relevant match section eoli3n to match a component of the network device's config like MAC address, etc.
[19:32] <teward> review the examples