 @DrKineticPie [Moin, I use the Pinephone UBPorts I use the system as a read and write system. H …], the problem comes when things are installed that touch system stuff, it's possible to get into a sort of 'merge conflict' so to say
 Where if the image update replaces a file that references a now missing or changed file, file with a renamed function - the image update assumes nothing was changed
 You might get away with some self contained terminal apps, but be careful - a non booting or apt in a broken state on a phone is a lot more problematic
[03:28] <ubptgbot> Alexandre was added by: Alexandre
 @just_carlod [imo it isn't dangerous,  keep in mind that update will overwrite / partition], that's not completely true not everything in `/` is the the rootfs and overwrite happen mostly on a full flash
 @just_carlod [imo it isn't dangerous,  keep in mind that update will overwrite / partition], [Edit] that's not completely true not everything in `/` is in the rootfs and overwrite happens mostly on a full flash, partial overwrites happen more often
 redmi note 7 users can now update their device
 this fixes mobile data
 we all call it Lomiri then Marius casually calls it Unity 8 repeatedly 😆
 amazing guys
 lomiri is what we desire
 Massive Attack - Karmacoma (Dub Riots cover).mp3
 karma coma
[06:40] <ubptgbot> Sanath was added by: Sanath
 Is ubport based on unity7 or unity8?
 @Sanath [Is ubport based on unity7 or unity8?], Unity 8 (now rebranded as "Lomiri"
[06:51] <ubptgbot> that guy was added by: that guy
 @Sanath [Is ubport based on unity7 or unity8?], [Edit] Unity 8 (now rebranded as "Lomiri")
 @TotalSonic [Unity 8 (now rebranded as "Lomiri")], Thanks👍
 Does anyone know where the source code for  ubports forum (https://forums.ubports.com/) is?
 @Sanath [Does anyone know where the source code for  ubports forum (https://forums.ubport …], Its a NodeBB instance, why?
 Was planning to contribute by  adding more features to forum website for example in the login page currently there is no show password button that would have let to  verify the password that you had  entered before submitting it.
 @Sanath [Was planning to contribute by  adding more features to forum website for example …], Well maybe there is already an option for that in NodeBB, but we wont start to roll our own version, means were not going to modify its code. The forum is a critical part, we prefer stability over features ;)
 @Flohack [Well maybe there is already an option for that in NodeBB, but we wont start to r …], Sure. I understand. Thanks👍
[08:09] <ubptgbot> Ella Pelletier was added by: Ella Pelletier
 Eh, I never felt such a loser as now .... I want to fix the circle on the lock screen, but it does not work on all android 9 assemblies .... How sad ...
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0FWGi29f.webp
 @mateosalta [You might get away with some self contained terminal apps, but be careful - a no …], Thank you for the explanation
[11:46] <ubptgbot> MoriOgaj was added by: MoriOgaj
 Hello. I can't figure out what the problem is.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/RSqW4uwF.png
[11:59] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @MoriOgaj [<reply to media>], Nexus 5
 @Oxy Kali [Nexus 5], yes
 @Javacookies [we all call it Lomiri then Marius casually calls it Unity 8 repeatedly 😆], ikr xD
[12:02] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @MoriOgaj [yes], Zip file have a problem
 @Oxy Kali [Zip file have a problem], The phone has been completely cleaned. Android 5.1 was a success. And when I started, I hung out.
[12:10] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @MoriOgaj [The phone has been completely cleaned. Android 5.1 was a success. And when I sta …], Oh Wich rom you want to install
 @Oxy Kali [Oh Wich rom you want to install], I want to put the android back. But something gets in the way.
[12:12] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> You need wipe everything and storage too
 @MoriOgaj [I want to put the android back. But something gets in the way.], I tried plasma. Trying to get back to Ubuntu touc
 @Oxy Kali [You need wipe everything and storage too], Use has erased everything
[12:14] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> Yeah
 @MoriOgaj [<reply to media>], Invalid zip.file format, the message says it all
 Please use Googles install script
 @Flohack [Please use Googles install script], this is rom
 @MoriOgaj [this is rom], https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/hammerhead-lmy47i-factory-f1734da1.zip
 Factory right. Google has an automatic way
 Read the instructions
 Flashall.bat is your friend
 xD
 I was flashing the factory image https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/hammerhead-lmy47i-factory-f1734da1.zip. using a script. was stitched successfully. but didn't load. waited 3 hours. no result
 (Video, 8s) https://irc.ubports.com/jhIRTrsf.mp4
 @MoriOgaj [<reply to media>], nothing else happened
[12:29] <ubptgbot> Bi0sok was added by: Bi0sok
[13:18] <ubptgbot> Meric Sariisik was added by: Meric Sariisik
 @MoriOgaj [nothing else happened], Sorry no idea then. Ubuntu TOuch does not do anything weird to a phone, no changes in partition sizes etc. We only use data and system partition for storing additional files. and exchange the kernel but ofc this is only in boot partition
 @Flohack [Sorry no idea then. Ubuntu TOuch does not do anything weird to a phone, no chang …], I've already fixed it.
 @Flohack [Sorry no idea then. Ubuntu TOuch does not do anything weird to a phone, no chang …], Resused Bootloader and put android out of file
 Can't connect to the device via ssh … Connection refused
 @RedFox3 [Can't connect to the device via ssh … Connection refused], you first have to activate ssh. either with uttt or with terminal command.
 @stkalb [you first have to activate ssh. either with uttt or with terminal command.], I activated it
 ssh device-ip -l phablet
 you need to connect as phablet user.
 I connect as phablet user
 I used this guide … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
 @RedFox3 [I connect as phablet user], do you have set a phone password? Maybe it just works with, never tried without.
 @stkalb [do you have set a phone password? Maybe it just works with, never tried without.], Yes, pincode
 have you set the authorized_keys file?
 @RedFox3 [Yes, pincode], hm, actually I have no further idea, sorry. I did it the way described at you link on all my devices and it works.... … .... I assume you use the correct private key.
 @Javacookies [have you set the authorized_keys file?], Yes
 which device?
 @RedFox3 [Yes, pincode], [Edit] hm, actually I have no further idea, sorry. I did it the way described at your link on all my devices and it works.... … .... I assume you use the correct private key.
 lavender
 Redmi Note 7
 not sure if ssh is automatically running there
 try `sudo start ssh`
 @Javacookies [try sudo start ssh], Thank you very much!
 It worked
 Shall I use this command next time? … sudo android-gadget-service enable ssh
 I'm not sire for that device … usually it should be running automatically
 except for the pinephone which needs the same command for every boot
[16:16] <ubptgbot> xfnwknuu was added by: xfnwknuu
 Running RC on the Pro1, the phone silently loses its connection to the phone network. … I don't know what causes it. … Using the phone app: … If WiFi is active: the expected phone network is displayed at the top right. Calls do not go through ("call failed"). … If WiFi is inactive: "No network", the call isn't even attempted.
 Rebooting fixes it, but since the issue will occur again after some amount of time, this makes the OS not that viable as a phone. … I found a potentially related bug: … Keep WiFi active. After the reboot (or, I assume, at any point where the bug isn't active): …  - Start the phone app. … - Make a call. … - End the call. … - Disable WiFi.
[16:49] <ubptgbot>  … Unity8 reboots. … - There is no longer any network.
 Enabling WiFi right after that makes it fail to call (there is an displayed network, but it doesn't work).
 [Edit] Enabling WiFi right after that makes it fail to call (there is a …  displayed network, but it doesn't work).
 Woops, should probably be filling a bug report on the github instead of here. 😆
 Yeah that would be grand ^^
 @nsensfel [Running RC on the Pro1, the phone silently loses its connection to the phone net …], We've been seeing similar problems on the Pixel 3a. It seems to be a common issue among Qualcomm devices. Best case someone with the BSP sources (maybe fxtec themselves) steps up and finds a workaround without modifying qcrild.
 The problem is related to qcrild going out of Binder memory, not being able to communicate with ofono anymore. Restarting ofono helps in most cases
 I wouldn't mind so much if it was only affecting outgoing calls, but I assume it also means I might have been missing calls in the meanwhile?
 Probably.
 It's a complicated issue, and again, only people with access to proprietary source code can help us.
 Could an ugly hack such as a cron job restarting ofono regularly mitigate the issue in the meanwhile? It'd need to check that a call is not in progress, of course, but that'd been much better than simply silently missing calls.
 I'm thinking of making some kind of watchdog watching the kernel log for these occurrences and restarting ofono but I wouldn't try a cronjob, it's timing is not deterministic.
 I'd only do it though if there's no other way out
 Oh yeah, that'd be much better. 👍 … I've made a ticket for this on the github, if people want to get all the info without having to search for it: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1614
[17:40] <ubptgbot> Wolfgang Kühne was added by: Wolfgang Kühne
 @nsensfel could you please also get dmesg logs once it happens again to confirm it is binder issue Alfred described?
 and maybe sudo -s … unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH … /system/bin/logcat -b radio
 Welp, just learned that SMS are lost. This might have caused me some critical problems. I have a call to make, then I'll test those logs, then I'll switch OS. That's a serious issue.
 that didn't seem to happen on Sailfish, so makes me wonder what is different, since ofono/related middleware are same
 Indeed, SFOS worked. I updated the vendor partitions since I switched to attempt to get HDMI output, if that can be related.
[18:23] <ubptgbot> DrMoti was added by: DrMoti
 Hi, can i install  . deb  file on ubuntu touch? Obviously  for  aarch64
 @DrMoti [Hi, can i install  . deb  file on ubuntu touch? Obviously  for  aarch64], Yes but no
 It is not supported
 Will be removed by ota
 You could use libertine though
 @RedFox3 [Shall I use this command next time? … sudo android-gadget-service enable ssh], yes you should
 @DrMoti [Hi, can i install  . deb  file on ubuntu touch? Obviously  for  aarch64], ubuntu touch uses images based updates, which mean the root partition is replaces on update; this ensures that bugs are reproducible and thus maintainable accross devices.
 that said there are ways around it, what .deb file do you want to install?
 Vivaldi
 Tested receiving an SMS during the call. It went through. I assume that all SMSes that were to be received while the telephony thing bugged are lost forever. 😢
 @DrMoti [Vivaldi], dont use it
 itll be very slow
 use morph instead
 the stock browser
 I understand
 @DrMoti [Vivaldi], hmm yeah vivaldi's best chance is through libertine atm
 and yes it'll be slow
 and barely usable
 speaking of which i heard firefox~esr is more usable nowadays has anyone tried in libertine yet?
 yes
 it was awful
 eh? hmmm wonder if that's libhandy related
 phones are not really designed for desktop firefox
 i learnt the hard way
 isn't that the otherway around?
 no i hate phones
 yet have so many of them#
 [Edit] yet have so many of them
 phones are a pain
 yet great
 it's really sad that by default phones don't have that freedom of choice computers have
 .......................
 welp that was the case until apple dropped their m1 macbooks
 [Edit] welp that was the case until apple dropped their m1 macs
 @mintphin [it's really sad that by default phones don't have that freedom of choice compute …], pinephone: *exists*
 google phones: *exist*
 @mintphin [it's really sad that by default phones don't have that freedom of choice compute …], they are more complicated than computers yet the hardware is more limited really
 @mintphin [it's really sad that by default phones don't have that freedom of choice compute …], [Edit] they are more complicated than traditional computers yet the hardware is more limited really
 @amyosx [google phones: *exist*], yeah but the process of installing something not android is a mess
 it has a lot of android though
 like on a tpc storage is not an issue, on a phone? welllll
 nexus 7 2012 still best
 and the cpu is generally weaker :p
 [Edit] and the cpu is generally weaker even if the clockspeed is similar :p
 so as long as the programs are made for ut you should be fine :p
 @NotKit [and maybe sudo -s … unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH … /system/bin/logcat -b radio], I've added those logs to the github issue. … SMS being lost if received while telephony is down means that the simple cron hack is not a viable solution.
 Unfortunately, switching between SFOS and UT isn't a simple 5min task, so I won't able to test stuff further once I do it since I don't own another Pro1 and I do need a phone. Are there any other tests I should perform before flashing SFOS?
 it sucks when cellular functions are malfunctioning, you might have missed calls and texts and it's hard to debug most of the time 😅
 we should drop support for cellular functions 😂
 my Nexus 5 had a similar issue so I switched to another phone. My conclusion back then was that it is a hardware issue...so now I'm not sure anymore. It was months ago though
 Hi Do you have an iPad Ubuntu touch setup or
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> Ipad is heavily locked down
[19:46] <ubptgbot> COLLIN ivo was added by: COLLIN ivo
[19:46] <ubptgbot> <COLLIN ivo> (Photo, 626x803) https://irc.ubports.com/lvTmmRzQ.png
 ipad will not be ported ever
[20:11] <ubptgbot> Serhii Rudenko was added by: Serhii Rudenko
 @nsensfel [Unfortunately, switching between SFOS and UT isn't a simple 5min task, so I won' …], sms being down is likely an ofono issue aswell iiuc
 Telephony worked perfectly on SFOS, as far as I could tell. 😕 … It might have had intermittent issues, but I have not noticed them, and for sure never had to learn that I was supposed to have received an SMS and wasn't aware of it. I did learn of this issue just today, some of the consequences I'll never learn of, others I will be made
[20:28] <ubptgbot> aware in the coming month, I am sure. I now have a suspicion that me not receiving a certain call  (upon which my allowance depends) wasn't in fact an error on their part. They did take the blame for that issue so I'm not in too much trouble for that, but I'm not risking it again.
 [Edit] Telephony worked perfectly on SFOS, as far as I could tell. 😕 … It might have had intermittent issues, but I have not noticed them, and for sure never had to learn that I was supposed to have received an SMS and wasn't aware of it. I did learn of this issue just today, some of the consequences I'll never learn of, others I will b
[20:29] <ubptgbot> e made aware in the coming month, I am sure. I now have a suspicion that me not receiving a certain call  (upon which my allowance depends) wasn't in fact an error on their caller's part. They did take the blame for that issue so I'm not in too much trouble for that, but I'm not risking it again.
 [Edit] Telephony worked perfectly on SFOS, as far as I could tell. 😕 … It might have had intermittent issues, but I have not noticed them, and for sure never had to learn that I was supposed to have received an SMS and wasn't aware of it. I did learn of this issue just today, some of the consequences I'll never learn of (any potential e
[20:31] <ubptgbot> mployer having tried to call me is now a lost opportunity), others I will be made aware in the coming month (things I was supposed to do), I am sure. I now have a suspicion that me not receiving a certain call  (upon which my allowance depends) wasn't in fact an error on their caller's part. They did take the blame for that issue so I'm not in too
[20:31] <ubptgbot> much trouble for that, but I'm not risking it again. … Unstable telephony is no joke.
 tbf i've witnessed someone send an SMS to another person, sitting at the same table, and the other person not receiving said SMS, on Android
 but yeah, there's obviously something causing rild to break on these android 9 phones
 @Heng Ye [Ipad is heavily locked down], That's too bad I wish the ipad would be installed
 telephony is pretty hard to test until someone starts getting lot of calls on daily basis
[20:59] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @NotKit [telephony is pretty hard to test until someone starts getting lot of calls on da …], fxtec hired someone to open and close the pro1 continusly for 2 hrs a day. maybe hire someone to call the other continuously.....
 I usually call my carriers service center and immediately end the call when the call got through. If it doesn't go through it would result in a timeout and saying "Call failed".
 There are many, many failure modes possible for phone calls
 That eventual "call failed" sounds like a failure to downgrade from LTE to 3G
 no?
 I'm not sure, I don't think so.
 It at least corresponds to the ofono/rild lockup
 @fredldotme [I usually call my carriers service center and immediately end the call when the …], I call my voicemail. I totally understand why this would slip from quick testing, since the issue doesn't occur before quite a long time if left by itself. I guess there aren't enough people trying UT on the Pro1 as a daily driver. … I'll giv
[21:02] <ubptgbot> e one last try, flashing all the SailfishOS partitions given for the Pro1 then flashing UT (I gather UT doesn't replace the vendor partitions?), just in case.
 I think you should not right now since you depend on calls working till it is investigated
 Honestly, if there's more than one device having trouble, that's better. Means more chances to find the culprit through the different logs they no doubt give.
 tbf, there are some SfOS-specific ofono plugins at play too, I'm not sure we're making use of them all. Also I'm not sure the device state tracker is working as advertised, since it interfaces with mce instead of repowerd.
 Just thinking out loud where we might diverge from SfOS
 @NotKit [I think you should not right now since you depend on calls working till it is in …], Agreed, but since the bug is easily replicated with the Wi-Fi trick, I might as well try before configuring SFOS with all my stuff.
 is it really related to Wi-Fi?
 I have no idea. I know it influences the result though, so it might be related somehow.
 @NotKit [telephony is pretty hard to test until someone starts getting lot of calls on da …], Or you have a secondary sim to call yourself
 and that works fine in testing environment :)
 @Marlomprr660 [<reply to media>], how did you set up
 Can you tell me about the process from special
 @WiFuu [Can you tell me about the process from special], Hello, I did it via ssh with this command on my computer's terminal:  …  ssh phablet@10.15.19.82
 @Marlomprr660 [Hello, I did it via ssh with this command on my computer's terminal:  …  ssh pha …], It's my phone Will Huawei y6 be 2018
 No support
 Huawei will probably never work
 Newer ones that is
 Like iPhone/iPad it is closed and custom silicon
 😩
 then I guess it will remain a dream
 @amyosx
 i wish ipad or huawei installed
 very sad
 It isn't ubports fault
 It's apple/huawei
 Buy volla phone
[22:00] <ubptgbot> SculleriesEinkorn was added by: SculleriesEinkorn
 a second dalton? oh dear
 @Fuseteam [a second dalton? oh dear], Haha we can't demand that people change their name
 i know, i know, there are plenty of people called dalton 😂
 Hmmm... I've done the full "Restore to stock firmware using Fastboot method" from the F(x)tec forums followed by a clean UT install. The bug is not occurring with the Wi-Fi trick. I see two possibilities: … - Part of this "stock firmware" fixed the issue. I previously flashed only the vendor parts of this updated firmware, hoping to fix
[22:20] <ubptgbot> the HDMI output that wasn't working (it did not fix that issue). … - Some configuration I made on UT broke telephony. The only modification I made outside of menus is a few extra entries on fstab, so it would still be a bug, but a much lesser one.
 🤩🤩Musk announced crypto airdrop! Hurry up guys! LOOK😱 https://bit.ly/39P0kNM
 @SculleriesEinkorn [🤩🤩Musk announced crypto airdrop! Hurry up guys! LOOK😱 https://bit.ly/39P0kNM], @staff
 @SculleriesEinkorn [🤩🤩Musk announced crypto airdrop! Hurry up guys! LOOK😱 https://bit.ly/39P0kNM], @NotKit
 Guess there won't be a second Dalton then. 😆
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/JvCK4j3o.webp
 Tobiyo has good instincts
 😊😊
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/B6B1WuPx.webp
 I've just installed the RC update on my OPO and the new version of Morph Browser lets me watch the BBC iPlayer :)
 @MenmuirMark [I've just installed the RC update on my OPO and the new version of Morph Browser …], Ooh
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/YGQ5VLGw.webp
 I can't reproduce the telephony bug. I'm going to chalk to up to a mistake on my part in how I flashed things (or outdated Pro1 firmware). … I'll be keeping a close eye on telephony, testing things regularly.
 Alright, just in case I messed up other things... I've observed that the following features do not work (stable branch): … - GPS. … - Keyboard backlight. … - Flashlight. … - Cellular Internet. … - HDMI output. … Is this expected or do I still have issues?
 [Edit] I can't reproduce the telephony bug. I'm going to chalk to up to a mistake on my part in how I flashed things (or outdated Pro1 firmware). Sorry for the erroneous error report. … I'll be keeping a close eye on telephony, testing things regularly.
 @MenmuirMark [I've just installed the RC update on my OPO and the new version of Morph Browser …], It also plays on Ubuntu Touch running on the Pi 3 now but the quality is not as good.