[06:13] <jibel> Good morning 
[06:14] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[06:16] <jibel> Hi duflu 
[07:07] <didrocks> good morning
[07:08] <duflu> Morning didrocks 
[07:09] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[07:44] <tjaalton> linux-generic-hwe-20.04 is installed by default on focal desktop, meaning it'll roll forward to hwe-5.8 automatically. this is different to previous lts's, is there some documentation about that? the release notes didn't mention it
[07:54] <Maik> tjaalton: been searching for that for a while now but couldn't find anything. Kinda weird since hwe only comes with the 2nd pointrelease
[07:55] <tjaalton> what do you mean "only"?
[07:55] <tjaalton> it's the same focal archive
[09:04] <Laney> moin
[09:05] <Laney> tjaalton: don't know, maybe ask (other) kernel folks
[09:05] <Laney> it is deliberate though
[09:08] <didrocks> hey Laney 
[09:08] <juliank> heh me Laney highlight works
[09:11] <ricotz> tjaalton, a new installation using a recent focal iso will install the hwe stack by default, but only starting with the 2nd point release
[09:11] <ricotz> tjaalton, and yeah I can confirm this is happening already
[09:11] <ricotz> hello desktopers!
[09:12] <ricotz> tjaalton, I assume when using a daily focal iso this is expected
[09:13] <tjaalton> ricotz: no, it's the same with .0/.1
[09:13] <Laney> juliank: you are highlighting on my nick?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[09:13] <Laney> moin didrocks 
[09:13] <juliank> Laney: I need to restrict it to ubuntu-release, but yeah it can be useful for autopkgtest requests
[09:14] <Laney> haha
[09:14] <Laney> it's ok
[09:14] <Laney> you can do my work if you want
[09:14] <ricotz> tjaalton, I see, then the hwe kernel meta packages are seeded already which a wrong? 
[09:14] <Laney> it's not wrong
[09:14] <Laney> it's different though
[09:15] <Laney> maybe ask Andy, something might be written down somewhere
[09:15] <ricotz> wrong/different is the same thing here
[09:15] <ricotz> so it is unexpected
[09:15] <Laney> what
[09:46] <tjaalton> ok so it was part of the ga/oem kernel thing
[09:46] <tjaalton> in the installer
[09:59] <Laney> yeah that's sort of the project it came out of, HWE turned into a "track" to follow - but it's applied more generally than just for those devices
[09:59] <Laney> but you started a discussion and now someone is going to write it up somewhere
[09:59] <Laney> well done tjaalton ;-)
[10:13] <tjaalton> hehe
[10:15] <tjaalton> it was pointed out elsewhere, but it wasn't clear if it was deliberate or not
[10:28] <xnox> tjaalton:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Desktop "Ubuntu Desktop flavour now always tracks HWE kernel (hardware enablement). It means that from 20.04.2 release Ubuntu Desktop will gain new major kernel versions every 6 months through to summer of 2022." this just in
[10:28] <xnox> tjaalton: note that Ubuntu Server uses generic by default, as always.
[10:29] <tjaalton> xnox: thanks for adding that ;)
[13:32] <luna_> Hello desktoppers :)
[14:25] <luna_> Desktop meeting in 5 minutes
[14:29] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:29] <Wimpress> o/
[14:30] <luna_> good afternoon here in Sweden, has installed Ubuntu MATE on another Desktop and translated some Pluma things today
[14:30] <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-12-08
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  8 14:30:29 2020 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:30] <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[14:30] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:30] <luna_> \o/
[14:30] <hellsworth> o/
[14:31] <jibel> hi
[14:31] <didrocks999> hey
[14:32] <Wimpress> Right, let's get started :-)
[14:32] <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[14:32] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <luna_> no desktop team things
[14:32] <Wimpress> All clear.
[14:32] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1906877
[14:34] <Wimpress> Looks like Brian is working that.,
[14:35] <kenvandine> o/
[14:35] <Wimpress> Nothing else there.
[14:35] <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[14:35] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1872268
[14:36] <luna_> and a crash in ubiquity: http://launchpad.net/bugs/1870508 
[14:37] <Wimpress> Daniel has been working that. I'll assign him.
[14:37] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1870508
[14:38] <Laney> why is that there?
[14:38] <Wimpress> marcustomlinson: Is the gtk+3.0 a valid component or is it just atk?
[14:39] <kenvandine> I thought that was atk
[14:39] <Laney> I don't think it should be, I would delete that task and ask Amr to actually explain if they want to re add it
[14:39] <marcustomlinson> yeah I don't see how gtk got involved there
[14:39] <Wimpress> I've removed it.
[14:40] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:41] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1855757
[14:41] <Wimpress> That is included in error. Marked as Won't Fix for nvidia.
[14:42] <Wimpress> I think that is all.
[14:43] <Wimpress> #topic rls-gg-bugs
[14:43] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:43] <Wimpress> All in hand.
[14:43] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:44] <luna_> same GNOME-settings diagnostics thing
[14:45] <luna_> looks like the rest is sorted
[14:45] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1905825
[14:47] <Wimpress> Looks like Daniel will be best placed to add that patch.
[14:47] <luna_> got a to old computers with Haswell but upstream is working on a patch: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1561 
[14:48] <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:48] <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:48] <Wimpress> Erk
[14:48] <luna_> less then last week 
[14:49] <Wimpress> Laney: Anything in that lots we should be concerned about?
[14:51] <Laney> soz
[14:51] <Wimpress> np
[14:52] <Laney> all of the bold ones probably do want looking into
[14:52] <Laney> maybe tkamppeter could take the hplip build failuers
[14:53] <Wimpress> OK
[14:53] <Laney> not sure about the rest, might want to assign them out of band
[14:53] <Wimpress> Yeah, was just thinking that. 
[14:53] <Laney> how did the firmware end up in the seed ...
[14:54] <Wimpress> No idea. Will need to look into that one.
[14:54] <Wimpress> #topic AOB
[14:55] <Wimpress> Anything anyone would like to discuss?
[14:55] <Wimpress> Last chance :-)
[14:55] <Laney> yeah, hellsworth, we should hook up about the uicheck thing - saw your status
[14:55] <hellsworth> yeah cool laney thanks :)
[14:56] <Laney> that is all
[14:56] <Wimpress> OK. 
[14:56] <Wimpress> Thanks everyone.
[14:57] <hellsworth> thanks!
[14:57] <Wimpress> #endmeeting
[14:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec  8 14:57:05 2020 UTC.  
[14:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-12-08-14.30.moin.txt
[14:57] <luna_> thx 
[14:57] <didrocks> thx!
[14:57] <marcustomlinson> 👍
[14:57] <Laney> Quality Meeting
[14:57] <hellsworth> Laney: can i ping you in 30 min and we hop into a room?
[14:57] <doko> anybody still connected with autopilot? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopilot/1.6.0+17.04.20170313-0ubuntu11
[14:58] <Laney> hellsworth: okey
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