eoli3nis raharper on IRC ? to talk a min07:03
rbasakHe's rharper here07:07
alkisgHi, when flash becomes deprecated next month, will the package be forcefully removed from users due to security concerns (e.g. via a dummy package update)?07:20
alkisgDo users that need flash need to keep a backup of this package and use apt-mark hold?07:20
tarzeaudo users need flash?07:37
Unit193I think the answer to that is the same as "Do users still need i386?" :307:42
alkisgWe have around 20 GB of educational software that is still in use07:47
alkisgPalemoon promises to keep flash working after 2020, but I guess it'll need the adobe-flashplugin.deb07:47
alkisgI hear similar situations in other countries07:48
tarzeauUnit193: no :)07:50
tarzeaubesides i haven't seen any up to date linux running on i386 (maybe i486 still would work, considering it has enough ram)07:50
tarzeau(i'm aware you probably were just referring to any x86 hardware running in 32bit mode)07:51
tarzeauand i'm thankful for apple to have actively helped killing flash, and adobe gave it up finally!07:51
eoli3nhey alkisg o/07:54
eoli3nthanks rbasak07:54
Unit193tarzeau: i386 as Debian/Ubuntu define it, yes.07:54
alkisghey eoli3n07:55
alkisgWe have around 10.000 pentium 4's running 18.04/32bit here, but no complains there, it's fine07:55
tarzeauUnit193: where can i read more about their definition? (especiall with details about fpu)?08:00
tarzeauUnit193: linux itself also has some definition08:00
tarzeaualkisg: with what gui? (if at all)08:01
tarzeaualkisg: we used to run some ltsp clients 32bit but now that ltsp changed, we don't have ltsp anymore08:01
alkisgtarzeau: with ubuntu mate 18.04.508:01
alkisgThey work fine as fat clients with 1 or 2 GB RAM08:01
alkisg1GB is enough for educational programs, while with 2GB they can do actual surfing08:02
tarzeauare you enabling zram? and nohang?08:02
tarzeauwhich web browser do you use?08:02
alkisgAnd chromium-browser08:02
alkisgNo zram, it wastes RAM08:02
eoli3nrharper https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1905731/comments/409:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1905731 in subiquity "feature request autoinstall: late_command scripts and chroot key" [Undecided,Incomplete]09:31
eoli3ncan i mix this with non chrooted command ?09:32
eoli3nhow to run "01_run_shellcmd: ['curtin', 'in-target', '--', 'sh', '-c', *shellcmd]" and others commands in late_commands09:32
eoli3nif i use that syntax, then i can't use a list anymore, right ?09:38
eoli3ni need to define a entry for each "group" of commands09:38
mdeslauralkisg: I believe the flash binary has a time bomb and will stop working on 2021-01-12: https://www.adobe.com/uk/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html11:48
mdeslauralkisg: so if you're still using flash stuff, I'm afraid you're out of luck unless someone finds a workaround11:49
mdeslaurbut the package is the least of your issues11:49
tarzeaumdeslaur: setting the time back??11:54
mdeslaurmaybe? I don't know how they implement the check, but perhaps that will work11:59
mdeslaurthey may check the date, or they may be doing an online check with an adobe server, I have no idea11:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1907107 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-init runs too late at first startup after ubuntu autoinstall" [Undecided,Invalid]12:21
alkisgThank you mdeslaur, reading...12:51
alkisg> As of mid-October 2020, users started being prompted by Adobe to  uninstall Flash Player on their machines since Flash-based content will  be blocked from running in Adobe Flash Player after the EOL Date.13:20
alkisgHeh... I guess we'll have another use for the faketime package :D13:21
alkisgLast version without a time bomb seems to be, https://community.adobe.com/t5/flash-player/flash-player-will-be-blocked-after-2021-time-bomb-proof-price-for-harman-packaged-browser/td-p/11312048?page=113:28
alkisg/me tests with version of http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/ is lower than that...13:28
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Laneywaveform: have you seen https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-meta ? I just noticed this17:05
LaneyWas wondering if we should move those to being installed in livecd-rootfs instead17:06
Laneyor something ...17:06
sil2100Laney: eh, darn, I mean, we did that via livecd-rootfs previously and now wanted to do it 'properly' by being pulled via the meta packages and seeds17:07
Laneydon't see how that can work17:08
Laneyit doesn't look particularly deliberate either, this just happens to be the first ubuntu-meta upload since we promoted last cycle17:08
Laneysil2100: I dunno, maybe we could remove restricted from update.cfg in the meta instead, perhaps that would work, not sure if it's a bad idea for some reason17:11
Laney(all that changes is dropping those two)17:23
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kanashirovorlon, could you please take a look at the docker.io MP again?18:49
vorlonkanashiro: acked19:24
vorlonkanashiro: btw, what should we do about rails autopkgtest regressions?  testsuite grew a dependency on chromium, so uninstallable on ppc64el + s390x, and fails on armhf due to containerization19:26
kanashirovorlon, in Debian the maintainers were discussing an alternative today for chromium. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=97629119:27
ubottuDebian bug 976291 in src:rails "rails: please drop Build-Depends on qunit-selenium" [Serious,Open]19:27
kanashirohopefully it will be dropped soon19:28
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