eoli3n | Hi | 07:03 |
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eoli3n | is raharper on IRC ? to talk a min | 07:03 |
rbasak | He's rharper here | 07:07 |
alkisg | Hi, when flash becomes deprecated next month, will the package be forcefully removed from users due to security concerns (e.g. via a dummy package update)? | 07:20 |
alkisg | Do users that need flash need to keep a backup of this package and use apt-mark hold? | 07:20 |
tarzeau | do users need flash? | 07:37 |
Unit193 | I think the answer to that is the same as "Do users still need i386?" :3 | 07:42 |
alkisg | We have around 20 GB of educational software that is still in use | 07:47 |
alkisg | Palemoon promises to keep flash working after 2020, but I guess it'll need the adobe-flashplugin.deb | 07:47 |
alkisg | I hear similar situations in other countries | 07:48 |
tarzeau | Unit193: no :) | 07:50 |
tarzeau | besides i haven't seen any up to date linux running on i386 (maybe i486 still would work, considering it has enough ram) | 07:50 |
tarzeau | (i'm aware you probably were just referring to any x86 hardware running in 32bit mode) | 07:51 |
tarzeau | and i'm thankful for apple to have actively helped killing flash, and adobe gave it up finally! | 07:51 |
eoli3n | hey alkisg o/ | 07:54 |
eoli3n | thanks rbasak | 07:54 |
Unit193 | tarzeau: i386 as Debian/Ubuntu define it, yes. | 07:54 |
alkisg | hey eoli3n | 07:55 |
alkisg | We have around 10.000 pentium 4's running 18.04/32bit here, but no complains there, it's fine | 07:55 |
tarzeau | Unit193: where can i read more about their definition? (especiall with details about fpu)? | 08:00 |
tarzeau | Unit193: linux itself also has some definition | 08:00 |
tarzeau | alkisg: with what gui? (if at all) | 08:01 |
tarzeau | alkisg: we used to run some ltsp clients 32bit but now that ltsp changed, we don't have ltsp anymore | 08:01 |
alkisg | tarzeau: with ubuntu mate 18.04.5 | 08:01 |
alkisg | They work fine as fat clients with 1 or 2 GB RAM | 08:01 |
alkisg | 1GB is enough for educational programs, while with 2GB they can do actual surfing | 08:02 |
tarzeau | are you enabling zram? and nohang? | 08:02 |
tarzeau | which web browser do you use? | 08:02 |
alkisg | Firefox | 08:02 |
alkisg | And chromium-browser | 08:02 |
alkisg | No zram, it wastes RAM | 08:02 |
eoli3n | rharper https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1905731/comments/4 | 09:31 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1905731 in subiquity "feature request autoinstall: late_command scripts and chroot key" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 09:31 |
eoli3n | can i mix this with non chrooted command ? | 09:32 |
eoli3n | how to run "01_run_shellcmd: ['curtin', 'in-target', '--', 'sh', '-c', *shellcmd]" and others commands in late_commands | 09:32 |
eoli3n | if i use that syntax, then i can't use a list anymore, right ? | 09:38 |
eoli3n | i need to define a entry for each "group" of commands | 09:38 |
mdeslaur | alkisg: I believe the flash binary has a time bomb and will stop working on 2021-01-12: https://www.adobe.com/uk/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html | 11:48 |
mdeslaur | alkisg: so if you're still using flash stuff, I'm afraid you're out of luck unless someone finds a workaround | 11:49 |
mdeslaur | but the package is the least of your issues | 11:49 |
tarzeau | mdeslaur: setting the time back?? | 11:54 |
mdeslaur | maybe? I don't know how they implement the check, but perhaps that will work | 11:59 |
mdeslaur | they may check the date, or they may be doing an online check with an adobe server, I have no idea | 11:59 |
eoli3n | https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1907107 | 12:21 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1907107 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-init runs too late at first startup after ubuntu autoinstall" [Undecided,Invalid] | 12:21 |
alkisg | Thank you mdeslaur, reading... | 12:51 |
alkisg | > As of mid-October 2020, users started being prompted by Adobe to uninstall Flash Player on their machines since Flash-based content will be blocked from running in Adobe Flash Player after the EOL Date. | 13:20 |
alkisg | Heh... I guess we'll have another use for the faketime package :D | 13:21 |
alkisg | Last version without a time bomb seems to be 32.0.0.363, https://community.adobe.com/t5/flash-player/flash-player-will-be-blocked-after-2021-time-bomb-proof-price-for-harman-packaged-browser/td-p/11312048?page=1 | 13:28 |
alkisg | /me tests with version of http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/ is lower than that... | 13:28 |
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Laney | waveform: have you seen https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-meta ? I just noticed this | 17:05 |
Laney | Was wondering if we should move those to being installed in livecd-rootfs instead | 17:06 |
Laney | or something ... | 17:06 |
sil2100 | Laney: eh, darn, I mean, we did that via livecd-rootfs previously and now wanted to do it 'properly' by being pulled via the meta packages and seeds | 17:07 |
Laney | don't see how that can work | 17:08 |
Laney | it doesn't look particularly deliberate either, this just happens to be the first ubuntu-meta upload since we promoted last cycle | 17:08 |
Laney | well | 17:09 |
Laney | sil2100: I dunno, maybe we could remove restricted from update.cfg in the meta instead, perhaps that would work, not sure if it's a bad idea for some reason | 17:11 |
Laney | (all that changes is dropping those two) | 17:23 |
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kanashiro | vorlon, could you please take a look at the docker.io MP again? | 18:49 |
vorlon | kanashiro: acked | 19:24 |
vorlon | kanashiro: btw, what should we do about rails autopkgtest regressions? testsuite grew a dependency on chromium, so uninstallable on ppc64el + s390x, and fails on armhf due to containerization | 19:26 |
kanashiro | vorlon, in Debian the maintainers were discussing an alternative today for chromium. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=976291 | 19:27 |
ubottu | Debian bug 976291 in src:rails "rails: please drop Build-Depends on qunit-selenium" [Serious,Open] | 19:27 |
vorlon | \o/ | 19:27 |
kanashiro | hopefully it will be dropped soon | 19:28 |
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eoli3n | Hi | 22:50 |
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