[00:00] <faLUKE> sarnold: I have only a text file in the control tarball
[00:00] <faLUKE> maybe it means that only that /usr/bin/ script is installed
[00:02] <sarnold> faLUKE: here's the contents for prerm and postrm that I found inthe control tarball of python3-daphne: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yg6y4bd5qW/
[00:04] <faLUKE> sarnold: thanks again, daphne is a webserver. These scripts don't appear to create any service associated to it
[00:05] <faLUKE> this appears weird to me
[00:08] <sarnold> faLUKE: I wouldn't be surprised if this is "just" the webserver, and that it is driven by an application making API calls to tell it which addresses and sockets to bind to, which functions to call on which methods and paths, which static files to serve, etc
[00:09] <faLUKE> sarnold: why not like: service nginx start/stop ?
[00:10] <sarnold> faLUKE: because then you wouldn't be writing your application in python, you'd be writing your application in Lua
[00:11] <faLUKE> sarnold: daphne is a webserver, not only a python engine
[00:11] <faLUKE> anyway, I don't want to be polemic with this. But now I wonder what to do in order to make it as service
[00:13] <sarnold> faLUKE: have you already written an ASGI application?
[00:13] <sarnold> faLUKE: or are you trying to run an ASGI application written by someone else?
[00:14] <sarnold> faLUKE: or are you just setting out to write your own ASGI?
[00:14] <faLUKE> sarnold: I already wrote it
[00:14] <sarnold> cool cool, so you can run it via 'daphne -b .. -p ... path/to/application kind of thing, right?
[00:14] <faLUKE> sarnold: of course, but this is not the problem
[00:15] <sarnold> you could write a quick little .service file for that
[00:15] <faLUKE> sarnold: I try to explain
[00:15] <faLUKE> sarnold: all the asgi is ready, and tested with the CLI you just wrote. But now, I would like to make the user ready to install the webserver EASILY
[00:16] <sarnold> faLUKE: nice :)
[00:16] <faLUKE> sarnold: I could leave that asgi and a generic CLI for non-production
[00:16] <faLUKE> but what about production?
[00:16] <faLUKE> I need at least a guide for creating the webserver environment without headache
[00:16] <faLUKE> I need to MAKE at least a guide for creating the webserver environment without headache
[00:17] <faLUKE> [01:15] <sarnold> you could write a quick little .service file for that <--- yes but are you sure it is a safe way?
[00:18] <sarnold> faLUKE: yeah, everything is started by systemd .service files
[00:18] <faLUKE> sarnold: but systemd must drop webserver processes to someuser. which?
[00:18] <sarnold> faLUKE: unfortunately there's too much documentation on how ot write .service files. they can do *everything* and it's hard to nail down what exactly *needs* to be done vs what should be done, etc..
[00:19] <sarnold> faLUKE: that's up to you to define; probably a new user account named after the service
[00:19] <faLUKE> sarnold: yes, but you understand it's not trivial to assign right and safe privileges to this user
[00:20] <faLUKE> that's why a package with "service daphne start/stop" is important
[00:21] <sarnold> faLUKE: yes, it's important to make sure the user account can't actually log in via ssh, via the console, etc..
[00:22] <faLUKE> sarnold: so I don't know how to solve this mess
[00:22] <faLUKE> sarnold: at the current state daphne is unusable as a webserver, for this reason.
[00:23] <faLUKE> sarnold: and I'm forced to couple it with nginx or apache
[00:24] <sarnold> faLUKE: with most applications, it's very common to use nginx or apache in front of the application server anyway
[00:24] <faLUKE> sarnold: but this means that daphne's feature are trashed
[00:57] <robertparkerx> does node not require a ppa to have the most current stable release?
[01:01] <sarnold> robertparkerx: you could also install it via snap, that was last updated 13 november 2020: https://snapcraft.io/node
[01:08] <faLUKE> sarnold: well, given that I can't run daphne alone, for the reason I explained before, I wonder what's the easiest way to copule an apache or nginx service with a daphne's one
[01:09] <sarnold> faLUKE: the README claims it can communicate with a proxy using a unix socket in the filesystem, but it doesn't go into much detail about what that looks like
[01:09] <sarnold> just the mechanics of how to specify the socket
[01:10] <faLUKE> sarnold: I know how to create a unix socket listener on daphne
[01:11] <faLUKE> sarnold: this is not a problem. My problem is: how to run daphne?
[01:15] <sarnold> faLUKE: that's a good question. now you've got several services to integrate. I think I'd try to make a new nginx@.service template that could run the nginx front-end, a new faluke.service that will start up daphne, make sure the Wants=, Before=, etc, are set correctly for both services..
[01:16] <oerheks> might be related https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/django-channels-with-supervisor-nginx-and-daphne-not-activating-web-sockets-how-to-configure-them
[01:17] <sarnold> bummer that's just the question, and not particularly well-asked :(
[01:29] <robertparkerx> What's this mean https://url.hashdev.org/4s
[01:31] <sarnold> robertparkerx: it's possible ondrej has used different package names
[01:31] <sarnold> robertparkerx: check the issues on his github page, it's possible this has already been discussed there
[01:31] <robertparkerx> y
[01:31] <robertparkerx> okay sorry
[01:34] <faLUKE> thanks sarnold
[01:38] <sarnold> faLUKE: sure thing, have fun :)
[01:42] <ezzieyguywuf> my dad said he tried installing discord on his ubunto laptop, and now he can't boot the system
[01:42] <ezzieyguywuf> I'll be honest, I think the issue may be unrelated to discord (he mentioned he did a dist-upgrade recently) but I thought I'd ask in case there's a known issue
[01:46] <sarnold> ezzieyguywuf: there's no complaints in here from anyone else with anything similar within my client's /lastlog
[01:48] <ezzieyguywuf> sarnold: thank you for checking.
[01:48] <ezzieyguywuf> Upon further interrogation it sounds like he's on an ubunto derivative, "deepin"
[01:48] <ezzieyguywuf> so perhaps I'm in the wrong place, :-P
[01:53] <sarnold> ezzieyguywuf: there was a grub update a few months back that caused folks problems..
[01:53] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/GRUB2SecureBootBypass
[01:53] <sarnold> ezzieyguywuf: we pushed a new grub update a few days ago, it's possible it's the same problem
[01:56] <ezzieyguywuf> sarnold: I'll dig into that. I did some research on deepin, and it seems that it's debian-based, so perhaps #debian may be some help too
[01:57] <sarnold> ezzieyguywuf: this mistake in grub config could be made on debian, as well, so if this feels like it, keep it in mind
[01:57] <sarnold> ezzieyguywuf: but you'll definitely need to do some groundwork to figure out what the cause is, before getting carried away
[01:59] <ezzieyguywuf> sarnold: indeed, I suggested he  boot into a livecd to try to mount the root partition and examine the boot logs
[02:00] <ezzieyguywuf> sarnold: according to the timeline in the wiki you linked, that issue was resolved back in july, but you mentioned that a new grub was pushed "a few days ago"
[02:00] <ezzieyguywuf> am i missing something here?
[02:02] <sarnold> ezzieyguywuf: the new version ~two weeks ago was for other issues https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+changelog
[02:03] <ezzieyguywuf> ah, so even if he wasn't using uefi secureboot, this still may be related
[02:09] <droid3> Curious is there any app store that host .AppImage
[02:10] <droid3> i hate snap and flatpak  is there a store for .AppImages at least
[02:24] <alazy> I installed the hibernate package. My computer simply turned off when I tried it - no hibernation. A menu or notice appeared during installation - but too briefly because I unintentionally skipped through it with a stray keypress. I've tried to purge, reinstall, dpkg --configure but nothing makes it reappear. What to do to make it install and show that menu?
[02:50] <sarnold> alazy: I can't find anything that would directly pop up anything :/ buuuut this looks related https://sources.debian.org/src/hibernate/2.0+15+g88d54a8-1/debian/HOWTO/
[03:06] <geosmile> how do i setup a particular sound output device on ubuntu at boot?
[03:06] <geosmile> It seems it keeps resetting what i set it to
[03:11] <derpadmin> I usually make myself scripts
[03:11] <geosmile> derpadmin, I cant use pactl set-default-sink <Your_Device_Name>
[03:11] <geosmile> not sure how to cli setup a particular output device
[03:12] <derpadmin> it looks like you find a command at least...
[03:12] <derpadmin> it does not work?
[03:13] <geosmile> pactl list short sources -- does not show me the output device that i use from UI
[03:54] <faLUKE> hey: what happened to 20.04 ? I upgraded from 18 and see that all the widgets changed! But the previous ones seem much better to me
[04:18] <rk4> interesting, i just got the "Enter password to unlock the private key" screen pop up, but it doesn't tell my what application other than "An application wants access...", any ideas how to see what that application is? presumably this involves dbus?
[04:24] <chalcedny> we had this odd behavior from my husband's ubuntu 18.04 with it freezing. He got a new hard drive, and put 20.04 on it, and copied things to it, now it's frozen again.  I'm ssh'd to it. is anyone around that could look at dmesg and see if we can figure out why it's freezing?
[04:26] <rk4> chalcedny: pastebin your dmesg...
[04:27] <chalcedny> rk4, sure sec
[04:29] <Rexodus> If it locks up completely, it should be the last line @ timestamp before you reboot...
[04:30] <chalcedny> https://pastebin.com/H3NSPqfh
[04:30] <chalcedny> rk4, Rexodus i was able to ssh in with putty
[04:31] <chalcedny> maybe it's something graphical?
[04:33] <chalcedny> he still can't do anything.
[04:34] <chalcedny> it did open a terminal finally.. i used ctrl alt t .. but i came over here and sshd
[04:34] <Rexodus> I don't see anything special in your dmesg.
[04:35] <Rexodus> Is the same machine working fine with a live-cd?
[04:35] <Rexodus> While doing the same things of course
[04:35] <chalcedny> Rexodus, it was working fine until I tried to open another Libre Office window. then it froze and keeps locking
[04:36] <chalcedny> it unfreezes after a bit
[04:36] <chalcedny> it doesn't look like a memory problem
[04:37] <chalcedny> top - 23:37:22 up 2 days, 14:49,  2 users,  load average: 1.81, 1.75, 1.93
[04:37] <chalcedny> Tasks: 322 total,   2 running, 320 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[04:37] <Bashing-om> chalcedny: Running out of memory ? what shows 'free' in another terminal - when under pressure ?
[04:37] <Rexodus> Open a terminal and run top. See what's using resources while it freezes.
[04:38] <chalcedny> nice to see you Bashing-om :) :)
[04:39] <Rexodus> Sry, I was reading your dmesg.
[04:39] <Rexodus> I have no clue...
[04:39] <chalcedny> https://pastebin.com/1jr2zVC8  is top
[04:40] <Bashing-om> chalcedny: :D I see that you are still challenging.
[04:41] <chalcedny> Bashing-om, thank you :) someone has to be.
[04:44] <Bashing-om> chalcedny: Well presently is not a memory constrtaint issue "2048.0 free,". I can suggest in another terminal  to ' journalctl -f ' and watch this output for any hints. ( ctl+C to quit ).
[04:45] <chalcedny> Bashing-om, yep. Ok another mystery.
[04:46] <chalcedny> hubby does not like sharing monitor space with a terminal, i can run it here if he won't just reboot and push me off.
[04:47] <chalcedny> all of these things talk a lot about the usb devices?
[04:52] <Rexodus> You checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log for strange things?
[04:53] <chalcedny> Rexodus, not lately
[04:55] <Rexodus> But if things start to do strange while you open a office screen, and it freezes, I'd try the same on a live CD so you can exclude configuration failures.
[04:56] <chalcedny>  ls /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:56] <chalcedny> ls: cannot access '/var/log/Xorg.0.log': No such file or directory
[04:56] <robertparkerx> I installed nodejs && npm before from a ppa I think. I was on 18.04 LTS. I recently upgraded to 20.04 LTS. I noticed that nodejs && npm were gone. I had to install them from the normal repo (I don't think a ppa is required anymore, right)
[04:56] <robertparkerx> is this fine?
[05:01] <Rexodus> robertparkerx: I don't know what nodejs etc is, but if it's from the native repo, I'd say it is even better.
[05:04] <robertparkerx> I want to know why it removed it from before
[05:04] <robertparkerx> and is there no need to juse a ppa anymore
[05:05] <Rexodus> If the same package is installed and you are fine with it, you can forget about that old ppa.
[05:05] <Rexodus> If not, you have to re-add it and install it from there.
[05:06] <Rexodus> But again, I have no clue what packages you are talking about ;)
[06:08] <PeaceTea> how can I record my laptop microphone audio to a mp3 file.  without interrupting other applications that use the microphone like zoom.
[06:17] <idand> Hey guys, sry to bother yall with newbie questions but I'm running a few simple cmds in cron, but for some reason they fail, I've tried debugging it but the cmds seem to run fine..
[06:17] <idand> Dec  8 05:30:55 nivprv CRON[847]: (idand) CMD (sleep 20 && cd /home/idand/ && bash go.sh)
[06:18] <idand> I'm running crontab on my user, not root's.
[06:18] <idand> And that's the cmds I'm using:
[06:19] <idand> @reboot sleep 20 && cd /home/idand/ && bash go.sh
[06:19] <idand> all these scripts are simple run scripts with screens for a few game servers I play
[07:29] <ducasse> who not use 'bash /home/idand/go.sh'?
[07:39] <idand> ducasse I had cd in them cuz Spigot and hlds are both buggy scripts for some reason
[07:39] <idand> They cannot be executed using links, i dunno why
[07:39] <idand> only directly from within the folder
[07:40] <idand> afaik other ppl have the same issue with hlds too, sadly
[08:08] <pi0> how to i grep for keyworks within a directory that contains many text files
[08:10] <matsaman> pi0: egrep -ir 'key|wor|ds' ./directory/
[08:12] <matsaman> pi0: or -HIir, or -HIilr
[08:12] <matsaman> pi0: or find ./directory/ -iname '*.txt' | while IFS='' read -r line; do egrep foo "$line"; done
[08:22] <pi0> thank you kindly
[10:04] <tinloaf> Hi. I just upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04, and apparently, now systemd-networkd is active. I've been using NetworkManager so far, but now (a) NetworkManager can't manage my ethernet interface anymore (b) some software like Spotify permanently thinks it's offline (even though the ethernet interface is up and running)
[10:05] <tinloaf> What is the best course of action? Disable networkd and somehow get NetworkManager to take back control over the ethernet interface? (I've tried and not succeeded)
[10:06] <tinloaf> Also, it does not look like there is an equivalent to nm-applet for networkd, right? So I would very much prefer going with NetworkManager…
[10:07] <tinloaf> However, `systemctl stop systemd-networkd.socket systemd-networkd networkd-dispatcher systemd-networkd-wait-online ; systemctl restart NetworkManager` does not get NetworkManager back in control
[10:08] <tinloaf> My NetworkManager.conf does not contain `managed=false` (complete content here: https://pastebin.com/LdEk2gfj )
[10:33] <DocMors> hi, can anyone tell me why I have to reboot after ubuntu updates? In the past that only happened every blue moon but now it appears to be necessary after each bloody update?
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> DocMors: apt is smart, when it says it needs a reboot, its necesary
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> security updates for example
[10:38] <matsaman> DocMors: new kernel?
[10:38] <DocMors> I get that but my perception says the required reboots per update ratio has gone through the roof, its coming to a point where it's somewhat annoying. The question is probably that intentional or some oversight.
[10:38] <matsaman> it's doubtful that you have to do it, just that it's the final test everything will work ... or not
[10:38] <DocMors> matsaman, not every other week
[10:39] <matsaman> are you saying the updater forces you to reboot?
[10:39] <ignorand> morning
[10:39] <DJones> em
[10:39] <ignorand> How do I know which service calls my /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[10:40] <ignorand> I want to apply my settings without rebooting
[10:40] <matsaman> probably one that starts with 'dh'
[10:41] <matsaman> dpkg -S /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf might say where it came from
[10:42] <ignorand> well, I see dhclient is running, but it looks like its called by service ifup@enp4s3.service
[10:43] <ignorand> hmm, seems to have done the trick
[10:43] <ignorand> systemctl restart ifup@enp4s3 that is
[10:46] <matsaman> mmm, that's a bad name indeed =)
[10:47] <TJ-> It's the ifupdown template
[11:10] <stemid> after upgrading to 16.04 my NFS shares stopped working. mount just hangs. showmount -e mkbnetdb06 on the client does show the mounts. ufw is inactive on both client and server. DNS works. I haven't changed the config but here is the exports and fstab I use. https://paste.debian.net/1176047/ and /var/backups/mysql is owned by root:root. is there an error log?
[11:13] <Lope> Anybody know how to use NvEnc in OBS-studio?
[11:13] <Lope> It doesn't appear. I found instructions from 2016 showing an overly complicated process to recompile ffmpeg etc
[11:17] <matsaman> Lope: does it show up in 'ffmpeg -encoders'?
[11:18] <ss2> Is it possible to do a guix system reconfigure without the need of an internet connection?
[11:18] <matsaman> ss2: that's likely easily tested
[11:18] <ss2> say, if I'm fiddling with the http setup, I don't always need an internet connection.
[11:18] <ss2> how?
[11:18] <matsaman> by attempting it
[11:19] <Lope> matsaman, I don't have access to an ubuntu install at the moment.
[11:19] <ss2> matsaman: sorry, I not sure if I'm understanding what you're meaning yet.
[11:20] <stemid> oh in my case it was the nfsvers. probably some default updated in 16.04. had to set nfsvers=2 to mount.
[11:20] <ss2> I mean, when I change a simple config, I'm quite certain that I won't need to fetch packages online. Everything should be available for an offline reconfigure.
[11:21] <ss2> My laptop isn't always connected well and I'd rather avoid online checks.
[11:22] <matsaman> Lope: might not even be a problem, then?
[11:22] <matsaman> stemid: FWIW, I've always found sshfs about 2000 times less of a PITA than NFS
[11:24] <matsaman> it can be plenty fast with HPN and/or no/laxed encryption (where appropriate)
[11:36] <Lope> matsaman, will see, thanks.
[11:44] <Deano59> how can I grep dmesg? to search for a certain thing?
[11:44] <n00b101> Please answer my one OT question
[11:44] <n00b101> I've created a conda env. In it, there's python 3, and few other packages which are installed while conda env was created. But, tenserflow wasn't installed by conda. But, program in conda env needs it. How I should install tenserflow now. Install via system pm, pip (inside env) or via conda itself? Say, I installed tenserflow via system pm, can conda env see it and import it in python program inside env like
[11:44] <Deano59> noobineer: don't ask to ask, ask your question and wait.
[11:45] <n00b101> -- import tenserflow? Also, if I install half dependencies in requirements via pip(inside env) and half via conda, is that a problem?
[11:45] <Deano59> n00b101: is this ubuntu?
[11:45] <Deano59> your os?
[11:46] <n00b101> I've created a conda env. In it, there's python 3, and few other packages which are installed while conda env was created. But, tenserflow wasn't installed by conda. But, program in conda env needs it. How I should install tenserflow now. Install via system pm, pip (inside env) or via conda itself? Say, I installed tenserflow via system pm, can conda env see it and import it in python program inside env like; import
[11:46] <n00b101> tenserflow? Also, if I install half dependencies in requirements via pip(inside env) and half via conda, is that a problem?
[11:46] <Deano59> can you not, thanks.
[11:46] <n00b101> Okay
[11:46] <n00b101> It's fine, I asked
[11:46] <Deano59> n00b101: is your OS ubuntu?
[11:46] <n00b101> Yes
[11:46] <Deano59> then how're you using pip?
[12:06] <Deano59> :D
[12:08] <matsaman> sure sure
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:33] <ss2> oh, wrong channel!
[12:33] <ss2> didn't notice where I am.
[12:35] <Deano59> hi there, BluesKaj :)
[12:36] <BluesKaj> hi Deano59
[12:36] <Deano59> can I grep dmesg? if so, how? :D
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Deano59, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149718/how-to-know-what-to-grep-for-in-dmesg
[12:56] <zetheroo> how can I see which version of a Gnome Extension I am using?
[12:57] <Maik> zetheroo: via extensions when gnome tweak tool is installed
[12:57] <Maik> or in Gnome tweaks itself
[12:58] <zetheroo> Maik: I don't see anything about extension versions
[12:59] <zetheroo> using GNOME Tweaks 3.34.0
[13:00] <Maik> doh, my bad, i missread that part
[13:01] <zetheroo> for example, I have topicons plus installed, but not sure of the version ....
[13:01] <zetheroo> or is it automatically whatever my Gnome Shell version is?
[13:01] <Maik> guess so
[13:02] <oerheks> terminal: gnome-shell --version
[13:04] <zetheroo> GNOME Shell 3.36.4
[13:07] <LordChaos> zetheroo: does the extension have an 'about tab' in it's configuration settings in tweaks?
[13:09] <zetheroo> LordChaos: this is what it looks like https://ibb.co/ftWwJcB
[13:10] <LordChaos> zetheroo: check ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions
[13:11] <DocMors> matsaman, it asks me to it hasn't forced me, if it doe that once the istro has to go
[13:11] <LordChaos> go into the topicons dir and see if there is a metadata file or something similar
[13:12] <zetheroo> LordChaos: metadata file contents https://pastebin.com/ezseyDNf
[13:12] <LordChaos> zetheroo: version 27
[13:13] <LordChaos> zetheroo: seems the extension is no longer maintained: see https://github.com/phocean/TopIcons-plus
[13:15] <LordChaos> zetheroo: check https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator as well
[13:15] <zetheroo> ah ok
[13:21] <Deano59> is there anyway to remove ubuntu and chromium/snap? I have a script that refuses to use snap/chromium because it's installed with a  │ KelseyS
[13:21] <Deano59>                      │                 | chroot. :(
[13:21] <Deano59> oops
[13:21] <Deano59> :D
[13:21] <Deano59> is there a way to remove chromium/snap? I have a script that installs chromium but it refuses to run because it's installed via chroot session. I have to manually run "sudo snap install chromium" otherwise it doesn't work! :(
[13:22] <Deano59> it's annoying.
[13:23] <Deano59> sorry for the paste spam, tried to copy from another channel.
[13:23] <oerheks> reverse that  "install via chroot session"
[13:24] <Deano59> oerheks: ?
[13:24] <oerheks> or wait for a better answer from the other channel, we love crossposting
[13:24] <Deano59> oh, thought I posted in the wrong channel. :)
[13:25] <Deano59> what do you mean, oerheks: "reverse that  "install via chroot session""
[13:25] <Deano59> firefox gets installed because it doesn't use snap. it's a chromium/snap issue.
[13:27] <Deano59> ... :D
[13:27] <oerheks> interesting, why did you install that snap via chroot?
[13:34] <kaari> Hi, I have stupid question and messing somethin badly. I have WSL Ubuntu and try to connect to net with it. I can pin 127.0.0.1 and 8.8.8.8 but no internet.
[13:35] <kaari> I tried different solutions, but with no luck.
[13:36] <LordChaos> kaari: have you checked if DNS resolving is working?
[13:37] <kaari> Sorry, but i dont know how to do it.
[13:38] <LordChaos> kaari: try the following command
[13:38] <kaari> Try to look for that
[13:38] <LordChaos> kaari: dig @1.1.1.1 www.ubuntu.com
[13:40] <kaari> what should i look from that?
[13:40] <kaari> There is buns of text, but no errors.
[13:41] <reaga> i cant get my monitor working on 1440p, only 1080p. its just black if i try it on 1440p. but its 100% fine on 1440p if i use hdmi instead of displayport. any ideas how to fix this?
[13:41] <reaga> windows works fine
[13:41] <reaga> but with ubuntu the monitor is problematic
[13:41] <kaari> I could ping 1.1.1.1 but not ubuntu.com
[13:44] <coconut> kaari, share the output with pastebin please, so LordChaos can read it.
[13:44] <coconut> !pastebin
[13:48] <kaari> LordChaos: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PnytM3ZxzM/
[13:51] <LordChaos> kaari, what's the network interface in use?
[13:53] <kaari> Im now with wlan through phone.
[13:54] <LordChaos> kaari, if you know which interface is in use in your WSL environment, do a
[13:54] <LordChaos> 'resolvectl status <interface_name>
[13:57] <kaari> can I get interface name without ifconfig cause its not installe.
[13:57] <LordChaos> kaari 'ip a'
[13:58] <deltab> or  ip link
[14:04] <kaari> only one that looks like familiar is eth0, but tried the all and just give line sd_bus_open_system: No such file or directory
[14:04] <Deano59> do I need zram-tools if I'm installing zram-config?
[14:05] <LordChaos> kaari: 'ip link' or 'ip a' gives you an error?
[14:18] <wedr> Is there a way to avoid unlocking login keyring at startup?
[14:29] <Deano59> I have this config: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jX3kj4MyGG/ can I auto create the file in: /.config/i3.config? via chroot?
[14:34] <Deano59> anyone? :D
[14:38] <faLUKE> hello! What happened to widgets of 20.04 ?? I upgraded from 18.10... the new widgets appear to me a mess
[14:38] <faLUKE> bad icons, bad colors
[14:38] <faLUKE> why they changed the previous stuff?
[14:39] <faLUKE> also lot of bugs
[14:39] <coconut> faLUKE, widgets?
[14:39] <faLUKE> coconut: yes, GUI widgets
[14:39] <faLUKE> icons, symbols etc.
[14:39] <faLUKE> I don't understand what happened
[14:40] <coconut> me neither to be honest
[14:40] <faLUKE> coconut: do you agree?
[14:40] <coconut> faLUKE, no i do not have that, but best is to show a printscreen i think
[14:40] <coconut> !paste
[14:41] <coconut> !screenshot
[14:46] <faLUKE> coconut: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/ubuntu-20-04-release-features <---look for example the grey color of the folder. It's ugly. Also the zip icon is confusing
[14:47] <faLUKE> the trash icon is rectangular: messy too
[14:47] <faLUKE> widgets in 18.04 did not appear in this way
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> faLUKE: this isnt a complaints channel, new ubuntu releases changes things..
[14:48] <hggdh> faLUKE: so it is not *your* install, you are talking about the new view in general
[14:49] <faLUKE> hggdh: yes
[14:49] <hggdh> faLUKE: so, as lotuspsychje pointed out, this is not the correct channel
[14:49] <coconut> faLUKE, i do not run ubuntu with gnome, but did you check to change back the config for those settings in systems settings?
[14:50] <faLUKE> coconut: which config, precisely?
[14:50] <faLUKE> hggdh: this is not a complaint channel but I wonder if I'm the only one who noted this
[14:51] <faLUKE> for example: round corners everywhere
[14:51] <faLUKE> even for scrollbars
[14:52] <hggdh> faLUKE: IDK. You could also try https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/desktop/theme-refresh
[14:52] <hggdh> but certainly here is not a good place
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> faLUKE: see #ubuntu-discuss to talk about themes and changes
[14:53] <faLUKE> lotuspsychje: thanks
[14:53] <coconut> faLUKE, dunno where to check faLUKE, i already said i don't run gnome(mate)
[14:54] <faLUKE> coconut: I'm going to change desktop env, then
[14:56] <coconut> lol
[15:00] <coconut> faLUKE, not everyone i just as much a fan of the look and feel of mate, but some actually just like it more than others.
[15:00] <coconut> *is
[15:18] <kaari> LordChaos: Sorry my network died, but got it working just py switching nameserver to googles. Thank anyway.
[15:20] <LordChaos> kaari: good to hear
[15:49] <jil> hello.
[15:52] <jil> I'm running bionic, I cannot upgrade right.  Could that be the reason why I cannot detect a recent bluetooth microphone that I bought, while I pair without problem with a bluetooh speaker of the same brand?
[16:29] <TJ-> jil: if the BT client device is BT LE only and the PC host doesnt/isn't supporting LE that could be another reason
[17:17] <MikeRL> You guys were right when someone said I have too many GNOME shell extensions.
[17:17] <MikeRL> One got a memory leak. I was minding my own businessm, messing with virtualbox and all of the sudden the guest OS was acting weird.
[17:17] <MikeRL> So I checked the task manager on Win7, nothing weird.
[17:18] <MikeRL> Then on 20.10 I checked and all but .1GB of 16GB RAM was in use.
[17:20] <MikeRL> Is there any way to find the culprit besides manually disabling them one by one?
[17:20] <MikeRL> I hit the kill switch in gnome-tweaks and the lag and memory usage went away.
[17:38] <MikeRL> Culprit found. GSConnect.
[17:38] <MikeRL> Disabling it stopped the lag, high memory usage, etc.
[17:39] <MikeRL> Question is - how do I report this to the dev? What logs do I need?
[17:49] <MikeRL> Hmm. Not good. GSConnect needs a new maintainer. I left a Github comment asking the old maintainer to forward my memory leak issue to someone who will likely take over, given how popular phone integration is these days.
[17:50] <coconut> MikeRL,  best you can do is asking your question in the gsconnect irc channel.
[17:50] <coconut> Scroll to the end of this page to see the irc channel https://github.com/andyholmes/gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect/wiki
[17:50] <MikeRL> Thanks coconut .
[17:50] <MikeRL> Will do ASAP.
[17:51] <coconut> yw
[17:56] <Peyam> hi
[17:57] <Peyam> is there a terminal command that says like this "install ubuntu-desktop if there isnt any ubuntu-desktop else just upgrade it "?
[17:59] <coconut> Peyam, can you be more precise what you want?
[18:00] <Peyam> well let me explain
[18:01] <Peyam> Let say that I have a couple of computers that I handle with ansible. some of them may have a Desktop environment and some of them don't.
[18:02] <Peyam> each time a new version of that ansible script come people have to run it but that script even installs the softwares that the developer have choosen to not have installed
[18:02] <Peyam> so is there anyway to tell ubuntu to not install anything that have ben uninstalled from the DE and only install updates on those who are already installed
[18:06] <coconut> sorry no experience with that here... hope some can help though
[18:06] <leftyfb> Peyam: yes, ansible has the ability to require depedencies
[18:07] <leftyfb> Peyam: check if the desktop package is installed
[18:08] <Peyam> if [ `dpkg -l | ubuntu-desktop | wc -1` -eq 1]
[18:08] <Peyam> I don't know if that is correct though
[18:09] <jwash> hi everyone, ubuntu 18.04, i am getting an error that I can't connect to a display when i do "ssh -X user@host", can someone help me get the display variable set up properly.
[18:10] <leftyfb> Peyam: please seek support from #ansible. You'll want to do this in anible, not in a shell script
[18:11] <Peyam> awesome thanks
[18:15] <matsaman> Peyam: guessing that should be an -l not a -1
[18:16] <matsaman> and probably dpkg -l | grep -i 'ubuntu-desktop' | wc -l
[18:22] <deltab> Peyam: I recommend $( ) over ` ` as it's easier to read
[18:22] <the_tanuki> so on Xubuntu 20.04.1 LTS i've lately been seeing tha the newest kernel versions from the mainline branch aren't being built successfully for amd64
[18:22] <the_tanuki> this started a month or two ago
[18:22] <the_tanuki> is something up?
[18:26] <the_tanuki> for example, from today https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.9.13/
[18:26] <the_tanuki> i don't know if this is on-topic here or not, so if it isn't, feel free to direct me elsewhere
[18:30] <Maik> !discuss | the_tanuki
[18:31] <Maik> the_tanuki: also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[18:33] <Maik> the_tanuki: if it's still active: #ubuntu-kernel
[18:42] <TJ-> the_tanuki: it has been mentioned to the kernel team
[19:34] <oerheks> -
[19:40] <default_> having a problem when I ctrl-shift-v (or whatever) and if I hit the shift first it doesn't work..  only when ctrl gets hit first
[19:40] <default_> any ideas if there is a fix for this in ubuntu or do I just blame the keyboard?
[19:43] <default_> nevermind.  looks like I figured it out
[19:43] <N3bulaK> Hey all
[19:43] <N3bulaK> quick question, I have windows installed on one drive and Ubuntu on the other, how would I create a OS selection screen at the start up?
[19:44] <N3bulaK> my daily driver is Ubuntu!
[19:45] <N3bulaK> is there is an option in Ubuntu do this? thanks
[19:46] <leftyfb> N3bulaK: with both drives attached, you should be able to run "sudo update-grub" and it should find the Windows installation. Then make Ubuntu the first bot
[19:46] <leftyfb> boot*
[19:47] <N3bulaK> leftyfb: Cool thanks
[19:47] <oerheks> leftyfb +1 and see the grub manual
[19:47] <oerheks> !grub
[19:47] <N3bulaK> THanks
[19:47] <N3bulaK> that's done
[19:47] <N3bulaK> let me have a go
[19:47] <N3bulaK> :D
[20:21] <Greenfrog> i'm trying to do a search in google and using chrome and pressing enter closes the browser. any way to fix this. i've asked in chrome but no one anwers any questions
[20:22] <sarnold> Greenfrog: try running chrome from the command line, look through the messages that are logged around the time you hit enter
[20:23] <Greenfrog> ok, so at the command line i type chrome?
[20:23] <Greenfrog> never used it that way
[20:23] <sarnold> if you're running chrome, yeah
[20:23] <Greenfrog> ok thanks
[20:23] <sarnold> I've never tried chrome myself, always chromium-browser
[20:23] <oerheks> reinstall chrome/ remove the ~/.config/google-chrome and ~/.cache/google-chrome folders and restart chrome
[20:24] <Greenfrog> ok i'll try that thanks
[20:24] <sarnold> oerheks: yikes that sounds like trouble, what will that do to eg saved passwords, cookies, etc?
[20:24] <Greenfrog> i have no saved passwords so its ok
[20:25] <oerheks> sarnold, those will be destroyed.. login in google and you get them back
[20:25] <oerheks> no refund on cookies
[20:26] <Greenfrog> here is what it said: Command 'chrome' not found, did you mean:
[20:26] <Greenfrog>  
[20:26] <Greenfrog>   command 'chroma' from deb chroma (0.7.1-1)
[20:26] <Greenfrog>  
[20:26] <sarnold> :~( coookies!
[20:26] <rud0lf> try chrome-stable
[20:26] <rud0lf> sorry, google-chrome
[20:27] <Greenfrog> ok didnt like that either
[20:28] <oerheks> chrome is google-chrome, chromium-browser perhaps
[20:28] <oerheks> ?
[20:28] <Greenfrog> ok i call it chrome but its chrommium
[20:28] <oerheks> :-)
[20:29] <Greenfrog> Gtk-Message: 12:28:33.992: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[20:30] <Greenfrog> Opening in existing browser session.
[20:30] <Greenfrog> i have no idea what that means
[21:29] <pavlos> Greenfrog: are you running ubuntu 20.04?
[21:31] <pavlos> Greenfrog: sudo apt install libcanberra-gtk-module
[22:16] <g105b> Hi all, please may I ask what's up with Snaps and Flatpacks? I don't care whether the technology is any better/worse, I just want to install something and get on using it, but whenever I find something pushing snaps or flatpaks, I find basic functionality to be missing, but they're nothing new now so the problem has to be me, right? In a nutshell,
[22:16] <g105b> if I install something via snap/flatpak certain apps don't understand copy/paste, or drag/drop or what happens when I click a link (no browser opens). What am I doing wrong?
[22:17] <sarnold> g105b: sometimes you need to 'connect' snaps to grant permissions for them to do thingsw
[22:17] <sarnold> g105b: https://ubuntu.com/blog/a-guide-to-snap-permissions-and-interfaces
[22:19] <g105b> Wow OK, so is this something that should be handled by the installer, but is missing functionality? I don't think this is the kind of thing that a regular user would want to do. My family use Ubuntu because I promoted it, but it's things like this that make Ubuntu (and me) look bad, because now my grandmother can't send me the photo she's tried to
[22:19] <g105b> edit.
[22:19] <g105b> Is there something similar with flatpack?
[22:19] <sarnold> I don't understand flatpak's privileges model
[22:20] <g105b> "Hi Grandma, I've found out what your problem is, you just need to configure your interface connections because you chose to install the software via snap instead of deb. Remember this is Linux for Humans!"
[22:20] <oerheks> ubuntu uses snaps, and they are available in softwarecenter
[22:20] <g105b> Yep, they are preferred by softwarecentre.
[22:45] <nubonix> hi there, was hoping for some help... so my display manager (gdm3) keeps restarting, freezing my computer for 10-15 seconds, restarts the taskbar, and then continues to normal, it does this frequently
[22:45] <nubonix> viewing journalctl -f i see ALOT of `Window manager warning: MetaSyncRing: We should never wait for a sync -- add more syncs?` messages
[22:46] <nubonix> viewing `Window manager warning: MetaSyncRing: We should never wait for a sync -- add more syncs?` without sudo i see `gkr-pam: no password is available for user`
[22:46] <nubonix> viewing `systemctl status display-manager.service` mb
[22:47] <nubonix> `sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3` also does nothing, no screen/terminal pops up
[22:48] <nubonix> so basically GNOME Display Manager keeps reloading indefintely
[22:59] <texla> Where in Ubuntu do I find the apps to format a usb drive and the drive to install to usb drives!!!
[23:07] <nubonix> soz, changed to lightdm to try and see if that would solve the issue, but caused another.. so had to restart
[23:14] <lusrx> I tried to install google chrome on ubuntu 20.04 using a .deb file I downloaded directly from Google using Firefox that came with Ubuntu. When I double click it it opens in software center and tells me the format is unsupported. Could it be that software center no longer supports .deb files?
[23:15] <lusrx> I ended up installing it using command line. That worked.
[23:15] <lusrx> Unsurprisingly...
[23:25] <tomreyn> nubonix: you could tell us about which ubuntu version you're using there, and about what you possibly did that contributed to this situation.
[23:35] <isapgswell> how to optimize ubuntu software
[23:35] <isapgswell> ?
[23:36] <isapgswell> too slow
[23:36] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: optimise in what sense?
[23:36] <isapgswell> gordonjcp i wait 1 min to appear images text
[23:36] <isapgswell> gordonjcp sometimes
[23:37] <isapgswell> gordonjcp ubuntu should use mlocate with ubuntu software
[23:37] <sarnold> isapgswell: it might be worth watching output of 'vmstat 1', and look for non-zero entries in the si and so columns
[23:38] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: that doesn't make a lot of sense
[23:38] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: what exactly are you doing?
[23:39] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: if you're opening a terminal window, that's quite slow
[23:39] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: if you're raytracing 4k video, that's pretty quick
[23:40] <isapgswell> gordonjcp local caching should solve ubuntu software slowly
[23:40] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: it's not slow
[23:40] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: on my ancient core i5 everything is instant
[23:40] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: you haven't actually described what you're doing that's causing it to be slow
[23:40] <isapgswell> gordonjcp time when i click category and appear list of software image and text, 1min or more
[23:41] <isapgswell> gordonjcp i am navigating, steam app opened, nomore
[23:41] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: category on what?
[23:42] <isapgswell> gordonjcp initial window
[23:42] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: initial window of what?
[23:42] <hggdh> isapgswell: what program? What version of Ubuntu?
[23:42] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: are you allergic to using complete sentences or something?
[23:42] <isapgswell> gordonjcp ubuntu software
[23:43] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: oh, there's an easy fix
[23:44] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: you verb noun
[23:44] <gbellinoz> changed graphics card to an old nvidia Quadro K2000. text now very small. Is X's DPI setting what I'm looking to tweak?
[23:44] <isapgswell> gordonjcp how to fix?
[23:44] <hggdh> gordonjcp: please keep in mind many here are not native English speakers
[23:44] <gordonjcp> hggdh: what, like me?
[23:45] <hggdh> IDK. But being aggressive will not solve it
[23:46] <gordonjcp> hggdh: welche sprache sie wollen?
[23:46] <hggdh> ...
[23:46] <hggdh> gordonjcp: OK. You have been warned.
[23:46] <gordonjcp> hggdh: quelle langue?  De cànan a'bheil thu ag iarraidh?
[23:47] <gordonjcp> even if English isn't your first language, lazyness doesn't help anyone
[23:47] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: I don't actually know what the problem you are having is, apart from "ubuntu software is slow"
[23:47] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: can you describe exactly what you're doing?
[23:48] <sarnold> maybe record a video or take screenshots or something
[23:48] <sarnold> or run the vmstat 1 command that I recommended
[23:48] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: if you're genuinely struggling with English, maybe one of the other #ubuntu channels in your local language could help although they are a lot less busy
[23:48] <hggdh> gordonjcp: enough
[23:49] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: but if you can describe the steps to reproduce the problem, that would help
[23:51] <isapgswell> gordonjcp my ubuntu software program is laggy when i try to load another program category
[23:51] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: I'm not really understanding "ubuntu software program"
[23:52] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: OH wait, the package manager, app store thing?
[23:52] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: yes, it's horrible
[23:52] <isapgswell> gordonjcp program = app = binary
[23:52] <isapgswell> gordonjcp yes !!!!
[23:52] <sarnold> :D
[23:52] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: okay, my top recommendation is not to use it if you can get away with it
[23:52] <isapgswell> gordonjcp not synaptics
[23:53] <gordonjcp> isapgswell: and if you must use it make a cup of tea and get something to eat
[23:53] <sarnold> how do you launch it?
[23:54] <sarnold> or, better, what's the executable name of the thing? I'm curious