[00:28] coool [00:56] @NotKit [I think OSK and Wayland integration are the problems, I personally can live with …], Ohw its Wayland related hmm [00:57] Re: @flohack fwiw flatpak and snaps, while technically very different, do have permission controls and isolation similar to that of clicks, no trust prompts tho [00:57] [Edit] @flohack fwiw flatpak and snaps, while technically very different, do have permission controls and isolation similar to that of clicks, no trust prompts so far tho [01:02] Re:@javacookies other formats, or just moar apps? … Many flatpaks and snaps are scripts that fetch the appropriate deb/rpm/tar ball and package it for use. If its just running the app regardless of support, we could let clickable do something similar :p … Btw Debs are, on their own, dumps into the roots; they cannot work with a readonly [01:02] roots without some type of wrapper. You never know where the packages will write to at install time. flatpaks and snap may be able to with it. Iirc snaps install into `/snap`, I forget where flattops install to. As long as they install in specific paths there are ways to make installation work with ut's "readonly" roots. He real challenge afterward [01:02] s will be proper integration :p. Like how do handle gtk without adding gtk to the roots, as that's really "size sensitive" [01:02] Yeah well if Flatpak and snaps are so good, why isnt there a Flatpak and snaps 2?! [01:03] Also I afaict its not as simple as "a switch to enable traditonal Linux mode", it seems far more complicated then that. [01:03] @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeah well if Flatpak and snaps are so good, why isnt there a Flatpak and snaps 2 …], Imma take that as a meme :p [01:04] [Edit] Re:@javacookies other formats, or just moar apps? … Many flatpaks and snaps are scripts that fetch the appropriate deb/rpm/tar ball and package it for use. If its just running the app regardless of support, we could let clickable do something similar :p … Btw Debs are, on their own, dumps into the roots; they cannot work with a re [01:04] adonly roots without some type of wrapper. You never know where the packages will write to at install time. flatpaks and snap may be able to with it. … Iirc snaps install into `/snap`, I forget where flatpaks install to. As long as they install in specific paths there are ways to make installation work with ut's "readonly" roots. He real challenge [01:04] afterwards will be proper integration :p. Like how do handle gtk without adding gtk to the roots, as that's really "size sensitive" [01:07] Tbh I'm starting to wonder if we can't do a similar approach to clicks where the repo downloads installs packages and ships the covetted applications (sans console apps those are kinda messy as clicks) [01:28] CarlosC00 was added by: CarlosC00 [03:40] Nice video giving an overview of the Ubuntu Touch running on the F(x)tec Pro1, as well as a comparison of it to Sailfish OS running on the same device. (I am not the video maker, just sharing this) -> https://youtu.be/rgxrJj37xOs [03:42] I think Sailfish OS is the most polished alternative mobile OS … I still prefer UT but I envy them 😆 [03:44] Eh? I dunno [03:46] Speaking of ui polish this looks nice :^3 [03:47] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/NI70lpxS.png [03:48] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/q50BHDud.png [06:15] @Stereofont [In theory you can have a voice chat in Teleports by sending recordings to each o …], I tried senfcall.de by having a session with myself 😎 last weekend. [06:15] wWich is an instance of BigBlueButton TM web conference software. [06:16] I could see video (myself 😅), audio was working and screensharing 'sort of' too. Only video from my phone back to desktop was missing. [06:16] Using morph in devel. [06:17] [Edit] Wich is an instance of BigBlueButton TM web conference software. [06:18] morph on which device? [06:21] Someone who worked on Q&A 90 blog post? There's some typos :) [06:27] Oof it disappeared 🤣 [07:21] @NotKit [I took the link from https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/fastboot-jasmine-xiaomi- …], Okay so I found original name (10.0.2) :), I will also try 10.0.7 maybe it I'will fix mtp or autobrightness I've never thought I could flash rom via fastboot thanks for help [07:25] @Javacookies [morph on which device?], Xperia X 32bit [07:25] @NotKit [I took the link from https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/fastboot-jasmine-xiaomi- …], [Edit] Okay so I found original name (10.0.2) :), I will also try 10.0.7 maybe it will fix mtp or autobrightness I've never thought I could flash rom via fastboot thanks for help [07:25] vprasana was added by: vprasana [07:26] @NotKit [I took the link from https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/fastboot-jasmine-xiaomi- …], [Edit] Okay so I found original name (10.0.2) :), I will also try 10.0.7 maybe it will fix mtp or autobrightness I've never thought I could flashed rom via fastboot thanks for help [07:55] 8BTC Melody was added by: 8BTC Melody [07:56] also would prefer a 12 hour clock option [07:57] my mi a2 display is working with ubtouch-jasmine-20201024 but breaks in UBTouch-jasmine_sprout-05-12-2020 [08:00] it's not offical ubports zip, so you should ask shouko [08:02] @just_carlod [it's not offical ubports zip, so you should ask shouko], Just ignore that zip [08:02] I’m uploading a new one [08:09] . [08:31] Kakarottoxox was added by: Kakarottoxox [11:40] delmikko was added by: delmikko [12:32] I have a redmi 7 with UT it is advisable to upgrade to the last version of UT [12:32] ? [12:32] @Fabio [I have a redmi 7 with UT it is advisable to upgrade to the last version of UT], Define "latest version" [12:32] @Fabio [I have a redmi 7 with UT it is advisable to upgrade to the last version of UT], you need recovery to that [12:33] redmi 7 is only gsi afaik so no you cannot [12:36] Ubuntu 16.04.7 Lts [12:37] it's not version [12:41] Kernel 2.9.214 [12:42] Is it correct? [12:43] think you mean 4.9* [12:44] Yes 4.9 [12:46] There's no version of ubuntu touch for your device https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/arm64/android9/devel/ [12:46] [Edit] There's no version of ubuntu touch for your device https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/arm64/android9/devel [12:47] It should be ported to systemimage first [12:47] @Danfro [I tried senfcall.de by having a session with myself 😎 last weekend.], At least that guarantees a sensible, productive conversation 🤓 [12:52] So i must wait for a version. [12:52] Thanks for thr info [12:52] The [12:57] @PiecerEdd [is Jami what used to be 'Ring'? their logos look similar], Same thing. It is distributed, so it sidesteps bandwidth problems and provides greater privacy. It would be a fantastic option for UT [13:22] nikita was added by: nikita [14:02] Tbf the 'video' problem is more for webapps. Native apps should be able to do videocalls; granted the app needs to be in the foreground to receive calls in general [14:04] @Fuseteam [Tbf the 'video' problem is more for webapps. Native apps should be able to do vi …], Exactly. [14:17] tirthanag was added by: tirthanag [14:18] Can ubuntu touch for xiomi redmi note 7 works with note 7 pro version? [14:20] Ye Lin Htet was added by: Ye Lin Htet [14:21] i think not [14:21] Ok. Thank You for the info [14:23] @bhushanshah [Someone who worked on Q&A 90 blog post? There's some typos :)], Hi can you tell me the errors please? I will get them fixed [14:23] Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android [14:24] @arunkumar413 [Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android], the "regular" UI of android is why i use ubuntu and sailfish [14:24] i hate the buttons in android [14:24] why hit small targets while you can swipe [14:25] Even the browser tabs have to be edge swiped. [14:25] It interferes with website content [14:26] @arunkumar413 [Even the browser tabs have to be edge swiped.], what? what websites break? [14:26] @arunkumar413 [Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android], you can install android if you want android, i guess [14:26] We can have left right arrows in the me [14:26] @arunkumar413 [We can have left right arrows in the me], I hate those, Ubuntu Touch please don't do that [14:27] tiny targets are so non-intuitive [14:27] wwhat? [14:27] why would you want to hit tiny targets when you can swipe [14:27] [Edit] We can have left right arrows beside url bar to cycle through tabs [14:28] @arunkumar413 [Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android], android now has gesture control too, except the gestures are different (swipe from the side to go back, short swipe up from the bottom for home, long swipe up from the bottom for recents) [14:28] @arunkumar413 [Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android], God no, I hate that. Swipe is awesome; intuitive, easy, human, makes perfect use of the screen space. [14:29] @joeth [android now has gesture control too, except the gestures are different (swipe fr …], Android swipes never worked good for me, to me they are quite non-intuitive especially the short/long from bottom. Short/long from right side like UT is better for me [14:29] Touching is easier than swiping [14:29] @arunkumar413 [Touching is easier than swiping], noooo [14:30] please let's not get into some argument about everyone's personal preferences. it does nothing to improve anything [14:30] @arunkumar413 [Touching is easier than swiping], [Edit] noooo touching is harder and you can only touch a hardcoded spot [14:30] @dohbee [please let's not get into some argument about everyone's personal preferences. i …], I just want to make sure UT doesn't go into the buttons.. [14:30] @dohbee [please let's not get into some argument about everyone's personal preferences. i …], [Edit] I just want to make sure UT doesn't go into the buttons...that's exactly why I use UT and i don't want UT to have buttons [14:30] buttons are fine [14:30] not everyone is exactly the same [14:31] but we also have no idea what "buttons" you are talking about [14:31] You cover a lot of area to swipe than touch [14:31] @dohbee [please let's not get into some argument about everyone's personal preferences. i …], [Edit] I just want to make sure UT doesn't go into the buttons...that's exactly why I use UT and i don't want UT to have buttons i come from sailfish and if you read comments on jolla blog...they say they are going to leave sailfish because of bu [14:31] ttons [14:31] the buttons are the navigation buttons at the bottom of the screen in android that take up valuable screen real estate [14:31] @arunkumar413 [You cover a lot of area to swipe than touch], instead of making random vague statements, perhaps you could answer the question of what web site is problematic for you on UT [14:32] @Heng Ye [the buttons are the navigation buttons at the bottom of the screen in android th …], no. https://t.me/ubports/309002 [14:33] oh that it didn't say that before [14:33] a) edge swipes aren't for cycling through tabs [14:33] There are hardly any apps UT [14:33] b) web pages can't do edge swipes anyway [14:33] in firefox for android there are also swipes for changing tabs [14:33] @arunkumar413 [There are hardly any apps UT], feel free to help solve that and write some more [14:33] so don't understand what's the deal about websites breaking on UT [14:33] [Edit] so don't understand what's the deal about websites breaking on UT because firefox on android has swipes too [14:33] Most commercial apps needs browser [14:34] @arunkumar413 [Most commercial apps needs browser], Yeah they need browser, but which one breaks in UT? [14:35] @Stereofont [Hi can you tell me the errors please? I will get them fixed], s/Bhusan/Bhushan/g … s/Qualtech/Quectel/g [14:36] I don't even think webpages can catch edge swipes [14:36] The bottom swipe to show tabs is not good UI paradigm. Just have left n right arrows beside the url bar to cycle through tabs. [14:37] @arunkumar413 [The bottom swipe to show tabs is not good UI paradigm. Just have left n right ar …], feel free to fork it :) [14:37] @arunkumar413 [The bottom swipe to show tabs is not good UI paradigm. Just have left n right ar …], no. we are not going to make major UI changes with no supporting data because one person in here decides to complain and can't even state their issues clearly [14:37] @arunkumar413 [The bottom swipe to show tabs is not good UI paradigm. Just have left n right ar …], [Edit] feel free to fork it :) it's open source, and anyone can make a fork to their liking [14:39] if you have a problem which you can clearly state, you can open an issue on github and let the UX team and developers try to come up with a proper solution. demanding specific changes due to your personal preference doesn't work [14:39] The swipe to reveal tabs is sometimes doesnt work and is interfering with the website content [14:40] telegram is not an issue tracker [14:41] Yeah. I know. Im just trying to have a discussion and wanted to know what others think [14:43] well i think the edge swipe does not interfere with web pages, and you still have not answered the question which was asked directly to you, about which site you are claiming it interferes with [14:44] as for "sometimes doesn't work" it is hard to quantify. touch interfaces are finicky regardless of OS. there could be hardware issues, or any of a number of things, that could cause it to seem like the bottom edge swipe isn't working [14:45] also, you can install webber and use it to make a webapp for the site instead, and then you'll have a confined browser instance for that site, which doesn't have tabs anyway [14:46] @dohbee [well i think the edge swipe does not interfere with web pages, and you still hav …], If i try to swipe reveal tabs i actually end up scrolling webpage. [14:46] well that isn't interfering with the page. that is you missing the edge i guess or something [14:47] @arunkumar413 [If i try to swipe reveal tabs i actually end up scrolling webpage.], Aha, there's the real issue. I've done this before too, and I'm not sure why it occurs. [14:49] Just two small arrow buttons beside url bar to cycle through tabs is enough [14:50] Wouldn't fixing the gesture also be enough? [14:51] I personally prefer buttons. I dont like over engineering [14:52] I moslty use around 10 tabs [14:52] yes, we've clearly understood your personal preference. calling swipes "over engineering" though is not right [14:52] Do you have an example of a mobile browser with buttons to cycle through tabs? [15:06] What decides what's on "promoted devices"? For example, why isn't the Fxtec Pro1-X on there? [15:06] [Edit] What decides what's on "promoted devices"? For example, why isn't the Fxtec Pro1 (x) on there? [15:07] Boy did we ever have a great discussion-starter for that on Saturday: https://youtu.be/FD67UPVFouM?t=2006 [15:08] @Heng Ye [What decides what's on "promoted devices"? For example, why isn't the Fxtec Pro1 …], Promoted or core devices naming will change, its bad as its fuzzy and not fair anymore [15:13] @UniversalSuperBox [Do you have an example of a mobile browser with buttons to cycle through tabs?], I dont have any but pressing buttons fast is easier than long swipe and selecting the tabs [15:13] If no one has ever done it successfully, I don't think we'll magically land on the "good" way to do it. [15:16] Or atleast a single button to show the opened tabs as round icons [15:16] Similar to opera [15:16] @arunkumar413 [Or atleast a single button to show the opened tabs as round icons], so similar to SailfishOS browser? [15:17] I ha [15:18] Never tried sailfish [15:18] arisTux was added by: arisTux [15:22] THE_asb was added by: THE_asb [15:24] Unknown was added by: Unknown [15:39] the bottom edge is fine though it does need some improvements [16:04] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Hk00X7US.mp4 [16:04] Messi the best [16:04] Goat [16:05] spam [16:10] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6MoNXlPL.mp4 [16:10] Instead of cascading tabs it's better to show small round icons. [16:10] Increíble [16:11] chimera79 was added by: chimera79 [16:16] @arunkumar413 [Instead of cascading tabs it's better to show small round icons.], I don't think so. I prefer it the way it is. … And what do you think would be the pro point. Please try to point out why you think that would be better instead of just stating that it would be better the way you prefer. … Maybe I am missing your point. So ple [16:16] ase try to elaborate your points. [16:18] @arunkumar413 [Instead of cascading tabs it's better to show small round icons.], [Edit] I don't think so. I prefer it the way it is. … And what do you think would be the gain of having small round icons. Please try to point out why you think that would be better instead of just stating that it would be better the way you prefer. … Maybe I [16:18] am missing your point. So please try to elaborate your points. [16:28] I have an issue [16:28] Can't log in to my bank account [16:29] Because password area isn't working right [16:29] I'm using morph [16:30] (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/N0i1nGsk.png [16:31] After I press enter or click anywhere [16:31] (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/DtvUoDpX.png [16:31] Password area is clear [16:34] what is the html on that page? how is the defined? [16:36] [16:38] Fwd from Apuestas España: 🔥Stakazo Europa League🔥 … 📈Alta probabilidad de Stakazo📈 … 💶No paramos de ganar dinero💶 … 👇 👇 👇 👇 … https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEoakKI7LEnDdSP6Ng … ‼️👆Muy recomendable 👆👆‼️ [16:39] @RedFox3 [ @Carlos [🔥Stakazo Europa League🔥 … 📈Alta probabilidad de Stakazo📈 … 💶No paramos de gan …], can someone @Flohack @UniversalSuperBox remove this spam [16:41] If I open page source from Morph there is no input [16:41] And the page looks strange [16:41] @RedFox3 [And the page looks strange], For me [16:42] (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/0SiR00UK.png [16:42] (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/Ah1pNUOU.png [16:44] @RedFox3 [If I open page source from Morph there is no input], The page content is injected by Javascript. [16:44] @stkalb [The page content is injected by Javascript.], Okay [16:45] I just don't know much about websites) [16:46] So what can I do? [17:02] @RedFox3 [So what can I do?], Sorry no idea. Maybe anybody can help who understands the error messages the page displays. … But I doubt there is an easy solution. [17:03] @RedFox3 [So what can I do?], [Edit] Sorry no idea. Maybe somebody can help who understands the error messages the page displays. … But I doubt there is an easy solution. [17:27] Using MorphWebView fixed this issue [17:28] So I have to write new app 😕 [17:29] @RedFox3 [Using MorphWebView fixed this issue], what were you using before? [17:29] @dohbee [what were you using before?], Morph browser [17:30] I don't know why [17:30] probably the web site is broken then [17:30] But there are differences between using Morph and MorphWebView [17:31] Maybe WebEngineProfile is the cause [17:31] But idk [17:31] Will test [17:34] TeoNurmi was added by: TeoNurmi [17:48] @bhushanshah [s/Bhusan/Bhushan/g … s/Qualtech/Quectel/g], Sorry about that. We will fix [17:57] Nope [17:57] @RedFox3 [Using MorphWebView fixed this issue], I tested this via "clickable desktop" [17:57] And desktop version works good [17:57] But [17:57] When installing on the device it doesn't work [17:59] @UniversalSuperBox [Boy did we ever have a great discussion-starter for that on Saturday: https://yo …], Well idk how i missed this one. … Happy to see marius. And that's a good question well a sensitive one ;) [18:01] @RedFox3 [When installing on the device it doesn't work], website doesn't like the mobile user agent then i guess [18:01] anyway, might be better to take the discussion over to the app dev group instead :) [18:01] @dohbee [website doesn't like the mobile user agent then i guess], I use only one useragent in both apps [18:02] @dohbee [anyway, might be better to take the discussion over to the app dev group instead …], Okay) [18:03] puneet800 was added by: puneet800 [18:10] SINGLEKalYan was added by: SINGLEKalYan [18:13] andyscuff was added by: andyscuff [18:16] Bart was added by: Bart [18:17] @RedFox3 [