 coool
 @NotKit [I think OSK and Wayland integration are the problems, I personally can live with …], Ohw its Wayland related hmm
 Re: @flohack fwiw flatpak and snaps, while technically very different, do have permission controls and isolation similar to that of clicks, no trust prompts tho
 [Edit] @flohack fwiw flatpak and snaps, while technically very different, do have permission controls and isolation similar to that of clicks, no trust prompts so far tho
 Re:@javacookies other formats, or just moar apps? … Many flatpaks and snaps are scripts that fetch the appropriate deb/rpm/tar ball and package it for use. If its just running the app regardless of support, we could let clickable do something similar :p … Btw Debs are, on their own, dumps into the roots; they cannot work with a readonly
[01:02] <ubptgbot> roots without some type of wrapper. You never know where the packages will write to at install time. flatpaks and snap may be able to with it. Iirc snaps install into `/snap`, I forget where flattops install to. As long as they install in specific paths there are ways to make installation work with ut's "readonly" roots. He real challenge afterward
[01:02] <ubptgbot> s will be proper integration :p. Like how do handle gtk without adding gtk to the roots, as that's really "size sensitive"
 Yeah well if Flatpak and snaps are so good, why isnt there a Flatpak and snaps 2?!
 Also I afaict its not as simple as "a switch to enable traditonal Linux  mode", it seems far more complicated then that.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeah well if Flatpak and snaps are so good, why isnt there a Flatpak and snaps 2 …], Imma take that as a meme :p
 [Edit] Re:@javacookies other formats, or just moar apps? … Many flatpaks and snaps are scripts that fetch the appropriate deb/rpm/tar ball and package it for use. If its just running the app regardless of support, we could let clickable do something similar :p … Btw Debs are, on their own, dumps into the roots; they cannot work with a re
[01:04] <ubptgbot> adonly roots without some type of wrapper. You never know where the packages will write to at install time. flatpaks and snap may be able to with it. …  Iirc snaps install into `/snap`, I forget where flatpaks install to. As long as they install in specific paths there are ways to make installation work with ut's "readonly" roots. He real challenge
[01:04] <ubptgbot>  afterwards will be proper integration :p. Like how do handle gtk without adding gtk to the roots, as that's really "size sensitive"
 Tbh I'm starting to wonder if we can't do a similar approach to clicks where the repo downloads installs packages and ships the covetted applications (sans console apps those are kinda messy as clicks)
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 Nice video giving an overview of the Ubuntu Touch running on the F(x)tec Pro1, as well as  a comparison of it to Sailfish OS running on the same device.  (I am not the video maker, just sharing this) ->  https://youtu.be/rgxrJj37xOs
 I think Sailfish OS is the most polished alternative mobile OS … I still prefer UT but I envy them 😆
 Eh? I dunno
 Speaking of ui polish this looks nice :^3
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/NI70lpxS.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/q50BHDud.png
 @Stereofont [In theory you can have a voice chat in Teleports by sending recordings to each o …], I tried senfcall.de by having a session with myself 😎 last weekend.
 wWich is an instance of BigBlueButton TM web conference  software.
 I could see video (myself 😅), audio was working and screensharing 'sort of' too. Only video from my phone back to desktop was missing.
 Using morph in devel.
 [Edit] Wich is an instance of BigBlueButton TM web conference  software.
 morph on which device?
 Someone who worked on Q&A 90 blog post? There's some typos :)
 Oof it disappeared 🤣
 @NotKit [I took the link from https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/fastboot-jasmine-xiaomi- …], Okay so I found original name (10.0.2) :), I will also try 10.0.7 maybe it I'will fix mtp or autobrightness I've never thought I could flash rom via fastboot thanks for help
 @Javacookies [morph on which device?], Xperia X 32bit
 @NotKit [I took the link from https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/fastboot-jasmine-xiaomi- …], [Edit] Okay so I found original name (10.0.2) :), I will also try 10.0.7 maybe it will fix mtp or autobrightness I've never thought I could flash rom via fastboot thanks for help
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 @NotKit [I took the link from https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/fastboot-jasmine-xiaomi- …], [Edit] Okay so I found original name (10.0.2) :), I will also try 10.0.7 maybe it will fix mtp or autobrightness I've never thought I could flashed rom via fastboot thanks for help
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 also would prefer a 12 hour clock option
 my mi a2 display is working with ubtouch-jasmine-20201024 but breaks in UBTouch-jasmine_sprout-05-12-2020
 it's not offical ubports zip, so you should ask shouko
 @just_carlod [it's not offical ubports zip, so you should ask shouko], Just ignore that zip
 I’m uploading a new one
[08:09] <pavlushka> .
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 I have a redmi 7 with UT it is advisable to upgrade to the last version of UT
 ?
 @Fabio [I have a redmi 7 with UT it is advisable to upgrade to the last version of UT], Define "latest version"
 @Fabio [I have a redmi 7 with UT it is advisable to upgrade to the last version of UT], you need recovery to that
 redmi 7 is only gsi afaik so no you cannot
 Ubuntu 16.04.7 Lts
 it's not version
 Kernel 2.9.214
 Is it correct?
 think you mean 4.9*
 Yes 4.9
 There's no version of ubuntu touch for your device https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/arm64/android9/devel/
 [Edit] There's no version of ubuntu touch for your device https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/arm64/android9/devel
 It should be ported to systemimage first
 @Danfro [I tried senfcall.de by having a session with myself 😎 last weekend.], At least that guarantees a sensible, productive conversation 🤓
 So i must wait for a version.
 Thanks for thr info
 The
 @PiecerEdd [is Jami what used to be 'Ring'? their logos look similar], Same thing. It is distributed, so it sidesteps bandwidth problems and provides greater privacy. It would be a fantastic option for UT
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 Tbf the 'video' problem is more for webapps. Native apps should be able to do videocalls; granted the app needs to be in the foreground to receive calls in general
 @Fuseteam [Tbf the 'video' problem is more for webapps. Native apps should be able to do vi …], Exactly.
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 Can ubuntu touch for xiomi redmi note 7 works with note 7 pro version?
[14:20] <ubptgbot> Ye Lin Htet was added by: Ye Lin Htet
 i think not
 Ok. Thank You for the info
 @bhushanshah [Someone who worked on Q&A 90 blog post? There's some typos :)], Hi can you tell me the errors please? I will get them fixed
 Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android
[14:24] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android], the "regular" UI of android is why i use ubuntu and sailfish
[14:24] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> i hate the buttons in android
[14:24] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> why hit small targets while you can swipe
 Even the browser tabs have to be edge swiped.
 It interferes with website content
[14:26] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [Even the browser tabs have to be edge swiped.], what? what websites break?
 @arunkumar413 [Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android], you can install android if you want android, i guess
 We can have left right arrows in the me
[14:26] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [We can have left right arrows in the me], I hate those, Ubuntu Touch please don't do that
[14:27] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> tiny targets are so non-intuitive
 wwhat?
[14:27] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> why would you want to hit tiny targets when you can swipe
 [Edit] We can have left right arrows beside url bar to cycle through tabs
 @arunkumar413 [Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android], android now has gesture control too, except the gestures are different (swipe from the side to go back, short swipe up from the bottom for home, long swipe up from the bottom for recents)
 @arunkumar413 [Edge wipe is painful. Can we have the regular UI like android], God no, I hate that. Swipe is awesome; intuitive, easy, human, makes perfect use of the screen space.
[14:29] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @joeth [android now has gesture control too, except the gestures are different (swipe fr …], Android swipes never worked good for me, to me they are quite non-intuitive especially the short/long from bottom. Short/long from right side like UT is better for me
 Touching is easier than swiping
[14:29] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [Touching is easier than swiping], noooo
 please let's not get into some argument about everyone's personal preferences. it does nothing to improve anything
[14:30] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [Touching is easier than swiping], [Edit] noooo touching is harder and you can only touch a hardcoded spot
[14:30] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @dohbee [please let's not get into some argument about everyone's personal preferences. i …], I just want to make sure UT doesn't go into the buttons..
[14:30] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @dohbee [please let's not get into some argument about everyone's personal preferences. i …], [Edit] I just want to make sure UT doesn't go into the buttons...that's exactly why I use UT and i don't want UT to have buttons
 buttons are fine
 not everyone is exactly the same
 but we also have no idea what "buttons" you are talking about
 You cover a lot of area to swipe than touch
[14:31] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @dohbee [please let's not get into some argument about everyone's personal preferences. i …], [Edit] I just want to make sure UT doesn't go into the buttons...that's exactly why I use UT and i don't want UT to have buttons i come from sailfish and if you read comments on jolla blog...they say they are going to leave sailfish because of bu
[14:31] <ubptgbot> ttons
[14:31] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> the buttons are the navigation buttons at the bottom of the screen in android that take up valuable screen real estate
 @arunkumar413 [You cover a lot of area to swipe than touch], instead of making random vague statements, perhaps you could answer the question of what web site is problematic for you on UT
 @Heng Ye [the buttons are the navigation buttons at the bottom of the screen in android th …], no. https://t.me/ubports/309002
[14:33] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> oh that it didn't say that before
 a) edge swipes aren't for cycling through tabs
 There are hardly any apps UT
 b) web pages can't do edge swipes anyway
[14:33] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> in firefox for android there are also swipes for changing tabs
 @arunkumar413 [There are hardly any apps UT], feel free to help solve that and write some more
[14:33] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> so don't understand what's the deal about websites breaking on UT
[14:33] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> [Edit] so don't understand what's the deal about websites breaking on UT because firefox on android has swipes too
 Most commercial apps needs browser
[14:34] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [Most commercial apps needs browser], Yeah they need browser, but which one breaks in UT?
 @Stereofont [Hi can you tell me the errors please? I will get them fixed], s/Bhusan/Bhushan/g … s/Qualtech/Quectel/g
[14:36] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> I don't even think webpages can catch edge swipes
 The bottom swipe to show tabs is not good UI paradigm. Just have left n right arrows beside the url bar to cycle through tabs.
[14:37] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [The bottom swipe to show tabs is not good UI paradigm. Just have left n right ar …], feel free to fork it :)
 @arunkumar413 [The bottom swipe to show tabs is not good UI paradigm. Just have left n right ar …], no. we are not going to make major UI changes with no supporting data because one person in here decides to complain and can't even state their issues clearly
[14:37] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [The bottom swipe to show tabs is not good UI paradigm. Just have left n right ar …], [Edit] feel free to fork it :) it's open source, and anyone can make a fork to their liking
 if you have a problem which you can clearly state, you can open an issue on github and let the UX team and developers try to come up with a proper solution. demanding specific changes due to your personal preference doesn't work
 The swipe to reveal tabs is sometimes doesnt work and is interfering with the website content
 telegram is not an issue tracker
 Yeah. I know. Im just trying to have a discussion and wanted to know what others think
 well i think the edge swipe does not interfere with web pages, and you still have not answered the question which was asked directly to you, about which site you are claiming it interferes with
 as for "sometimes doesn't work" it is hard to quantify. touch interfaces are finicky regardless of OS. there could be hardware issues, or any of a number of things, that could cause it to seem like the bottom edge swipe isn't working
 also, you can install webber and use it to make a webapp for the site instead, and then you'll have a confined browser instance for that site, which doesn't have tabs anyway
 @dohbee [well i think the edge swipe does not interfere with web pages, and you still hav …], If i try to swipe reveal tabs i actually end up scrolling webpage.
 well that isn't interfering with the page. that is you missing the edge i guess or something
 @arunkumar413 [If i try to swipe reveal tabs i actually end up scrolling webpage.], Aha, there's the real issue. I've done this before too, and I'm not sure why it occurs.
 Just two small arrow buttons beside url bar to cycle through tabs is enough
 Wouldn't fixing the gesture also be enough?
 I personally prefer buttons. I dont like over engineering
 I moslty use around 10 tabs
 yes, we've clearly understood your personal preference. calling swipes "over engineering" though is not right
 Do you have an example of a mobile browser with buttons to cycle through tabs?
[15:06] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> What decides what's on "promoted devices"? For example, why isn't the Fxtec Pro1-X on there?
[15:06] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> [Edit] What decides what's on "promoted devices"? For example, why isn't the Fxtec Pro1 (x) on there?
 Boy did we ever have a great discussion-starter for that on Saturday: https://youtu.be/FD67UPVFouM?t=2006
 @Heng Ye [What decides what's on "promoted devices"? For example, why isn't the Fxtec Pro1 …], Promoted or core devices naming will change, its bad as its fuzzy and not fair anymore
 @UniversalSuperBox [Do you have an example of a mobile browser with buttons to cycle through tabs?], I dont have any but pressing buttons fast is easier than long swipe and selecting the tabs
 If no one has ever done it successfully, I don't think we'll magically land on the "good" way to do it.
 Or atleast a single button to show the opened tabs as round icons
 Similar to opera
[15:16] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @arunkumar413 [Or atleast a single button to show the opened tabs as round icons], so similar to SailfishOS browser?
 I ha
 Never tried sailfish
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 the bottom edge is fine though it does need some improvements
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Hk00X7US.mp4
 Messi the best
 Goat
[16:05] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> spam
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6MoNXlPL.mp4
 Instead of cascading tabs it's better to show small round icons.
 Increíble
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 @arunkumar413 [Instead of cascading tabs it's better to show small round icons.], I don't think so. I prefer it the way it is. … And what do you think would be the pro point. Please try to point out why you think that would be better instead of just stating that it would be better the way you prefer. … Maybe I am missing your point. So ple
[16:16] <ubptgbot> ase try to elaborate your points.
 @arunkumar413 [Instead of cascading tabs it's better to show small round icons.], [Edit] I don't think so. I prefer it the way it is. … And what do you think would be the gain of having small round icons. Please try to point out why you think that would be better instead of just stating that it would be better the way you prefer. … Maybe I
[16:18] <ubptgbot>  am missing your point. So please try to elaborate your points.
 I have an issue
 Can't log in to my bank account
 Because password area isn't working right
 I'm using morph
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/N0i1nGsk.png
 After I press enter  or click anywhere
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/DtvUoDpX.png
 Password area is clear
[16:34] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> what is the html on that page? how is the <input> defined?
 <input _ngcontent-dhr-c4="" apppassword="" class="input-wrap__input ng-dirty ng-touched ng-invalid" errormanager="" pinputtext="" type="text" style="padding-top: 23px;">
 Fwd from Apuestas España: 🔥Stakazo Europa League🔥 … 📈Alta probabilidad de Stakazo📈 … 💶No paramos de ganar dinero💶 …                 👇  👇  👇  👇 … https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEoakKI7LEnDdSP6Ng … ‼️👆Muy recomendable 👆👆‼️
[16:39] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @RedFox3 [<input _ngcontent-dhr-c4="" apppassword="" class="input-wrap__input ng-dirty ng- …], hmm why isn't it type="password"
[16:39] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @Carlos [🔥Stakazo Europa League🔥 … 📈Alta probabilidad de Stakazo📈 … 💶No paramos de gan …], can someone @Flohack @UniversalSuperBox remove this spam
 If I open page source from Morph there is no input
 And the page looks strange
 @RedFox3 [And the page looks strange], For me
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/0SiR00UK.png
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/Ah1pNUOU.png
 @RedFox3 [If I open page source from Morph there is no input], The page content is injected by Javascript.
 @stkalb [The page content is injected by Javascript.], Okay
 I just don't know much about websites)
 So what can I do?
 @RedFox3 [So what can I do?], Sorry no idea. Maybe anybody can help who understands the error messages the page displays. … But I doubt there is an easy solution.
 @RedFox3 [So what can I do?], [Edit] Sorry no idea. Maybe somebody can help who understands the error messages the page displays. … But I doubt there is an easy solution.
 Using MorphWebView fixed this issue
 So I have to write new app 😕
 @RedFox3 [Using MorphWebView fixed this issue], what were you using before?
 @dohbee [what were you using before?], Morph browser
 I don't know why
 probably the web site is broken then
 But there are differences between using Morph and MorphWebView
 Maybe WebEngineProfile is the cause
 But idk
 Will test
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 @bhushanshah [s/Bhusan/Bhushan/g … s/Qualtech/Quectel/g], Sorry about that. We will fix
 Nope
 @RedFox3 [Using MorphWebView fixed this issue], I tested this via "clickable desktop"
 And desktop version works good
 But
 When installing on the device it doesn't work
 @UniversalSuperBox [Boy did we ever have a great discussion-starter for that on Saturday: https://yo …], Well idk how i missed this one. … Happy to see marius.  And that's a good question well a sensitive one ;)
 @RedFox3 [When installing on the device it doesn't work], website doesn't like the mobile user agent then i guess
 anyway, might be better to take the discussion over to the app dev group instead :)
 @dohbee [website doesn't like the mobile user agent then i guess], I use only one useragent in both apps
 @dohbee [anyway, might be better to take the discussion over to the app dev group instead …], Okay)
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 @RedFox3 [<input _ngcontent-dhr-c4="" apppassword="" class="input-wrap__input ng-dirty ng- …], It's an angular app and apppassword is a directive which will create type="password" at runtime I guess. So I think there is a js error which break the app. But don't know if this log in morph logs.
 Hello everyone
 @RedFox3 [<input _ngcontent-dhr-c4="" apppassword="" class="input-wrap__input ng-dirty ng- …], [Edit] It's an angular app and apppassword is a directive which will create type="password" at runtime I guess. So I think there is a js error which break the app. But don't know if this log is in morph logs.
 I am trying tot install Ubuntu touch on my Nexus 5, at this stage the installer is dating it is flashing firmware. Does anyone know how long that will take?
 It is working on it for 20 minutes at this point.
 did anyone seen this ? … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSudn0qB6u0
 @Eranuzan [did anyone seen this ? … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSudn0qB6u0], Yeah
 a bit misleading, and the "omg apps" thing is getting old
 @Bart [It is working on it for 20 minutes at this point.], I think this is too long. Maybe you receive help a little bit faster in the welcome room: https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 Thanks!
 Does anbox work on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 (lavender)?
 And how good does it work?
 @RedFox3 [And how good does it work?], it's bad
 anbox is overall bad
 [Edit] anbox overall works bad
 Okay, thanks for answer
 @dohbee [a bit misleading, and the "omg apps" thing is getting old], I both agree and disagree, we are missing a lot of apps that make the phone easier and a more enjoyable experience, but at the same time, I think its rediculous when people act as if they require the youtube app otherwise a phone isn't good enough for em. … lik
[20:07] <ubptgbot> e "Do you have Google apps?"  … "Yeah we have a web-browser, most of your google services will work" … However there are apps that dont have a web-app counterpart, so I get that.
[20:35] <ubptgbot> * lduboeuf discovering the Sticker feature on messaging-app, it was always there, not good UX though, but there!
 @just_carlod [anbox overall works bad], I won't say that, Signal was working fine on FP2 using Anbox. Really slow, but without bugs
 *really slow* !!
 [Edit] really slow !! and it uses lots of energy
 @lduboeuf [/me discovering the Sticker feature on messaging-app, it was always there, not g …], Sticker in messagin app? Where?
 @Danfro [Sticker in messagin app? Where?], just add images in folders under `/.local/share/com.ubuntu.messaging-app/MessagingApp/stickers`
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/5LflTOQ3.png
 and you will see that little smiley icon ^
 (Sticker, 512x505) https://irc.ubports.com/uCETbTFz.webp
 Impressive!
 id does not send with the current version, need  to adapt some stuffs
 there is also a need a way to create packs and put files in via UI
 [Edit] need  a way also to create packs and put files in via UI
 Would they be send as a MMS then?
 yes
 next challenge for me
 One should know his tarif then. Only SMS flat here. 😉
 MMS can be quite expensive.
 yes, free here and unlimited
 (well included not free i would say )
 [Edit] (well included, not free i would say )
 Haha, true. That distinction has to be made.
 [Edit] yes, free here and unlimited in France for most plans
 I would have to look it up, but I think to remember 0,5 € per MMS.
 pouah which contry ?
 [Edit] pouah which country ?
 btw there is a "enable/disable MMS in messaging app" for that
 i understand more now why MMS is not important for some users ;-)
 Germany. But I have to admit otherwise the tarif is very cheap. So nothing I regret.
 @flaburgan [I won't say that, Signal was working fine on FP2 using Anbox. Really slow, but w …], There is Axolotl for UT. A Signal client
 @Danfro [I would have to look it up, but I think to remember 0,5 € per MMS.], More in UK. About €.70
 @Danfro [I would have to look it up, but I think to remember 0,5 € per MMS.], [Edit] More in UK. About €.0.70
 Ha, just checked. It is 0,39 € per MMS.
 One MMS is up to 300kb.
 @Stereofont [There is Axolotl for UT. A Signal client], I know, I'm one of the contributor 😛
 @flaburgan [I know, I'm one of the contributor 😛], Oops. Haha
 @Stereofont [Oops. Haha], I can confirm that. ^^ One good and active contributor he is. 😉
 @Danfro [I would have to look it up, but I think to remember 0,5 € per MMS.], Around 0.06 € in Russia)
 But the last time I used it was in 2010 maybe
 @Danfro [I can confirm that. ^^ One good and active contributor he is. 😉], 🎖
 @RedFox3 [But the last time I used it was in 2010 maybe], Haha, same here. I don't even remember when I used an MMS the last time.
 @Danfro [Haha, same here. I don't even remember when I used an MMS the last time.], as it's free, it's still deeply used in France
 @Danfro [Haha, same here. I don't even remember when I used an MMS the last time.], and how your grand'ma, pa send you photos ?, lots of users still use it here because don't need a specific app to set up
 But I just found out, I can upgrade from 5GB data to 6GB for the same price. Not that I need that much...
 @flaburgan [as it's free, it's still deeply used in France], I don't even have SMS in my tariff
 @lduboeuf [and how your grand'ma, pa send you photos ?, lots of users still use it here bec …], Telegram.
 Because I refuse to use WhatsApp.
 Oh, my mother. Not grandmother.
 @lduboeuf [and how your grand'ma, pa send you photos ?, lots of users still use it here bec …], Exactly. My aunt 😐
 But I am afraid we are straying quite a bit OT now...
 Hey but we are straying ever so slightly off topic
 ha
 Haha
 Seems we agree. 😁
 👍
 So get MMS working for the whole of France and maybe people in Russia because 6 cent is not that much. 😉
 That we did learn from our discussion.
 @Danfro [So get MMS working for the whole of France and maybe people in Russia because 6 …], 😀
 Okay, everyone saying anbox is awful
 So I have another option
 Libertine
 What about it?
 @bhushanshah [s/Bhusan/Bhushan/g … s/Qualtech/Quectel/g], s/Qt/Linux Kernel/g iirc
[21:35] <ubptgbot> Theresa Baker was added by: Theresa Baker
 Phone froze in Samsung Screen, but /data files are created, /phabet and /android-data
 Good evening to all
[21:43] <ubptgbot> Cameron was added by: Cameron
[21:44] <ubptgbot> pol5xc was added by: pol5xc
 Hello All , trying to install Ubuntu touch on my redmi note 7 using ubports installer - my phone it installs but is stuck onubuntu  recovery
 Any ideas?
 @Cameron [Hello All , trying to install Ubuntu touch on my redmi note 7 using ubports inst …], is the installer still installing?
 No it completes with a pass fail or wonky end result to select and the phone reboots
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/RCcPI0Rk.png
 Now only stuck in recovery
 @RedFox3 [What about it?], libertine is for running legacy x11 or CLI apps in a container on the phone when connected to external monitor and keyboard. it won't make those apps usable on a phone screen
 @camera
 Cameron what OS are you on?
 The os of my laptop?
 Windows
 yes
 hmm, maybe you can obtain the log and post it on paste.ubuntu.com
 not sure where the ubports installer log folder is on windows
 @PhoenixLandPirate [I both agree and disagree, we are missing a lot of apps that make the phone easi …], yes, everybody will always have their few specific apps they need but the "there's no apps" argument is vague and doesn't help. instead of complaining about the lack of apps in the store, why not complain about the companies failing to
[21:49] <ubptgbot> support other platforms. It's far more accurate, and can be dealt with more readily.
 Cameron one thing, which channel are you on?
 "omg no apps" has an implied connotation that it should be the responsibility of the people building the platform, to also build all the apps for that platform
 @RealDanct12 [Cameron one thing, which channel are you on?], Tried with stable at first than I saw a forum post saying someone selected dev and it started to work so gave that a go same result
 @dohbee [libertine is for running legacy x11 or CLI apps in a container on the phone when …], Ok, does it clog up the phone like anbox?
 @RedFox3 [Ok, does it clog up the phone like anbox?], i don't know what you mean by that. it doesn't generally impact battery, but the apps running under it do not have GPU acceleration and such so they will be slow, and won't be able to do a lot of things
 @dohbee [i don't know what you mean by that. it doesn't generally impact battery, but the …], Okay, thanks
 Will try it
 (Photo, 278x56) https://irc.ubports.com/Rg0tsElj.png still can't get enough of this
[22:06] <ubptgbot> Nash93 was added by: Nash93
 Firefox doesn't work in libertine: … "Your tab has just dropped"
 [Edit] Firefox doesn't work: … "Your tab has just dropped"
 Installed via libertine
 @RedFox3 [Firefox doesn't work: … "Your tab has just dropped"], If there is no workaround tell me how to install anbox
 Can I use this guide? … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
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 @RedFox3 [Can I use this guide? … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox …], depends on your device
 @Fuseteam [depends on your device], Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 (lavender)
 @RedFox3 [Firefox doesn't work: … "Your tab has just dropped"], this doesn't say much btw
 @RedFox3 [Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 (lavender)], hmm not sure if that device supports andbox the porter can answer that much better
 but in both cases firefox won't perform well
 @RealDanct12, does Redmi Note 7 supports anbox?
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[23:01] <ubptgbot> <Theresa Baker> Perfect, Elon Musk announced biggest giveaway Bitcoin and Ethereum , I looked him tweet , it’s amazing) … 🥳🥳LOOK tweet - https://bit.ly/2JR3VQA
[23:01] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> spam?
 @dohbee ["omg no apps" has an implied connotation that it should be the responsibility of …], tbf he essentially said "there no incentive to build apps for linux" isn't completely untrue. most app devs are passionate about linux rather than looking for making a living