[02:10] <skywolf> Hi
[11:29] <RyuKurisu[m]> Hmm, apparently KDialog isn't installed by default? 🤔
 It is not. I think all the dependencies are though.
[11:31] <RyuKurisu[m]> Yeah, "sudo apt install kdialog" only installed kdialog
[11:32] <RyuKurisu[m]> 713kB of extra disk space installed, would it be worth adding to the default install?
[11:33] <RyuKurisu[m]> And for the iso size it is only the "archive size" right?
[11:33] <RyuKurisu[m]> 106kB
[12:35] <RyuKurisu[m]> <lubot "<kc2bez> It is not. I think all "> Do you know why it isn't included? 
 We don't have anything that requires it. wxl and I have discussed the idea of including it though.
[19:05] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: kdialog rules. i use it ALL THE TIME at work. that said, i have yet to be convinced of a reason why we must include it. it's something anyone can install.
[19:08] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "RyuKurisu: kdialog rules. i use "> I personally think it is a **must have** in a Qt oriented desktop environment 😏
[19:09] <RyuKurisu[m]> What kind of work do you do where you can (and do) use Kdialog? 🤔
[19:12] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m] it's not really very useful if you don't do much scripting, which i think is more than most people do.
[19:13] <wxl> as it's relevant here, part of my job duties are helping to maintain a small business network. we use kubuntu
[19:15] <RyuKurisu[m]> How can I check if I've manually installed a program for a script?  For my autorotate script I'm using a few programs, like inotifywait, which I'm not certain are in the default installation.
[19:16] <RyuKurisu[m]> Because if that is the case I could add some scripting to install that and kdialog for instance.
[19:17] <wxl> this should offer clues https://askubuntu.com/questions/32007/how-to-find-manually-installed-packages
[19:58] <wxl> @kc2bez: miracles never cease. looks ike libreoffice is fixed. https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/libreoffice-export-to-pdf-has-no-text/1042/19 wonder if we couldn't push to get it backported to focal?
 We probably need libreoffice backported. Unless we can figure out what commit(s) are necessary. What are the chances of that?
[20:57] <wxl> it's remotely possible it's just the vcl but i doubt it
 One of the bug reports Hans filed said things would not be resolved until 7.something.
[21:01] <wxl> we should probably just backport
[21:01] <wxl> or maybe more appropriately get someone to backport (libreoffice team)
 That would be nice if they will. I think overall there is enough improvement in moving up. Hopefully they agree.
[21:02] <wxl> especially if we detail our woes they might be into it
[21:13] <wxl> here they are: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice
[21:13] <wxl> they have a public mailing list it seems. it's a bit quiet, admitedlly
[21:15] <wxl> their PPAs seem behind 
[21:16] <wxl> maybe that might be something leo might want to follow up with
[21:16]  * wxl wants to nominate someone to be the new libreoffice expert XD
[21:17] <kc2bez> +1 on nominating someone XD
[21:17] <wxl> and i don't want to be it XD
[21:18] <kc2bez> Same here. XD
[21:25]  * RyuKurisu[m] thinks LibreOffice should take design hints from OnlyOffice 😏👍
[21:26] <wxl> i would rather it just work right
[21:31] <RyuKurisu[m]> That first, but their UI still looks like it was made in 2003 without ever getting a proper update.  No, the Notebook interface isn't really an improvement with their old icons (beside it working like jank)
[21:32] <wxl> well their default it the gtk VCL and, yes, gtk sucks
[22:31] <RyuKurisu[m]> Even in GTK based environments it looks ugly 😏
[22:32] <RyuKurisu[m]> Sorry, watched Avatar the last airbender for a bit 😊