[00:05] <tertl3> Hi
[01:29] <ubptgbot> Chardboi was added by: Chardboi
 @Eranuzan [did anyone seen this ? … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSudn0qB6u0], i was bothered the whole video because of how he pronounce Linux 😂 And the video does sounds like from someone that has a bit experience with Linux but mostly a mainstream consumer.
 Will probably
 yeah I pronounce it "lin ox" he was pronouncing it "li nux" which was annoying at the very least
 kinda like the whole "oo boon to" and "uh bun to" debate as well
 I think it was his style of comedy. Like “open sauce” ( the open ketchup)
 @stkalb [I don't think so. I prefer it the way it is. … And what do you think would be the …], The point i'm trying to drive is swiping covers a lot of screen area compared to touching buttons
 I think swiping, if done right, is better because you mostly do it without looking unlike buttons where you have to know where they are
 I liked the fastboot ubiports logo better than the penguin
 may be I like just the crimson color
 @arunkumar413 [The point i'm trying to drive is swiping covers a lot of screen area compared to …], Hm, I don't get your point. The swiping areas are unvisible. In my opinion a swiping gesture on a handheld is much easier to handle single handed than buttons can be. Think of right vs. left handed people. If there are too much buttons or bu
[07:05] <ubptgbot> ttons on one side of the screen you are forced to use both hands.
 @Javacookies [I think swiping, if done right, is better because you mostly do it without looki …], full acknowledge
[08:06] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @flaburgan [I know, I'm one of the contributor 😛], Then you might be interested in this article: … https://www.cellebrite.com/en/blog/cellebrites-new-solution-for-decrypting-the-signal-app/
 @X YZ [Then you might be interested in this article: … https://www.cellebrite.com/en/blog …], Why are we even using sharedprefrences for storing secret info
 @X YZ [Then you might be interested in this article: … https://www.cellebrite.com/en/blog …], is it a joke or didn't I understand it at all?
 if I read correctly (but I just wake up so my brain isn't switch on yet), they simply reimplemented the decryption code of Signal, exactly as @nanu_c did for axolotl. But if they don't have the key in the first place, all this is totally useless
[09:35] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @flaburgan [if I read correctly (but I just wake up so my brain isn't switch on yet), they s …], That's the way I read it, too.  … But if "they" have physical access to the phone / backups or get you to install malware that exfiltrates the information to them, the confidentiality of your Signal messages would be compromised for as long as th
[09:35] <ubptgbot> ey can keep that going. 🔐 … Thought that might be interesting to the Axolotl users and devs here, too.
 they reimplemented an open source algorithm claiming that it was hard to do so, I really don't get the point ^^
 Fwd from Srdtxghy: @PhilippLudwig … https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEgDRugVtoQB903zcg
 The article states  … ``` … it using a key called “AndroidSecretKey”, which is saved by an android feature called “Keystore”. … ``` … That means you have a compromised android phone and if so you can just use the signal app and don't need to reimplemented the database decryption.
 ;)
 yep, it's bullshit mostly
 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55269969
 This is from the BBC
 I actually had such a nice laugh
 Off topic
 @ubportsof
[12:45] <pavlushka> Super (Hold) -> what it does?
[12:46] <pavlushka> doea it mean "need to keep holding the super key for a while" ?
[12:47] <pavlushka> https://translate.ubports.com/translate/unity8/unity8/bn/?&offset=38
 yes it means it press and hold the super key
 @Fuseteam [yes it means it press and hold the super key], "scopes" what it does?
 viewing scope?
 scopes are deprecated
 it was an concept in an earlier version to basically aggregate content from different apps but it was removed from unity8/lomiri a while ago
 @Fuseteam [it was an concept in an earlier version to basically aggregate content from diff …], Switching means changing, not switching on, right?
 uh in what context?
 @Fuseteam [uh in what context?], exactly, if I knew I could have told you, https://translate.ubports.com/translate/unity8/unity8/bn/?&offset=51
[13:10] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> Hi. Any one have knowledge of how to fix incoming sms (not receiving sms)  I try different variations of APN settings using mint mobile.. no dice 🤐
[13:10] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> ty
[13:12] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> I can rec n make calls . I can send text but cannot receive..
 @Fuseteam [uh in what context?], under the context, you can guess better than me because of the knowledge, it is Unity8 interface translation, so what are the scopes?
 @pavelov [under the context, you can guess better than me because of the knowledge, it is …], i think you can skip scopes as that functionally is no longer available anyway
 @pavelov [under the context, you can guess better than me because of the knowledge, it is …], hmm keyboard shortcut overlay and switching, yeah i would guess it's changing not switching on
 @Fuseteam [i think you can skip scopes as that functionally is no longer available anyway], we've discussed that already but for "switching", what are the scopes/chances it could mean?
 eh? switching is probably just switching between applications
 @Fuseteam [eh? switching is probably just switching between applications], seems like it
 as it is for the keyboard overlay
 there are no keyboard shortcuts that turn stuff on under lomiri if i'm not mistaken
 translations to other languages also seems to confirm it's "changing"
 "scopes home" should now be "App Drawer" fwiw
 @Fuseteam ["scopes home" should now be "App Drawer" fwiw], that ship has sailed
 @pavelov [that ship has sailed], to the right direction
 @Flohack what the way to update the source string? we probably should remove references to scopes
 [Edit] @Flohack what the way to update the source string? we probably should remove references to scopes.
 @Fuseteam [@Flohack what the way to update the source string? we probably should remove ref …], Normally build the project locally, and check in you local pot file changes
 ah i see, that's gonna be diffy for something like unity8 haha
 [Edit] ah i see, that's gonna be diffy for something like lomiri haha
 Not so much, you can also just run the build steps that generate locale information
 Its a string extraction
 huh? it has both the string "opens the app drawer" and "opens scopes home"
 ah cool
 @Fuseteam BTW Source string location helps, should have noticed before
 @pavelov [@Fuseteam BTW Source string location helps, should have noticed before], But still "Opens the desktop spread." don't know how it works in keyboard-shortcuts
[13:46] <ubptgbot> AmandeepSinghMatharu was added by: AmandeepSinghMatharu
 "Ctrl + Super + Left or Right" ??
 left arrow  or right arrow?
 I think it's Ctrl Super W
 SUper? What key is that ^^
 the one with the cape 😆
[13:58] <leaftype2> also called Meta, but usually called the windows key
 speaking of the dialog that shows when holding the super button, that one still says Unity 8 😄
 @leaftype2 [also called Meta, but usually called the windows key], Well yes its hard for FOSS people to call it Windows key, I get it ^^
[14:01] <leaftype2> lol, yeah. Windows forces their logo on it. Apple btw has the same key, but they put a different symbol on it and call it meta
[14:01] <leaftype2> calling it super is more of a linux thing
 @leaftype2 [also called Meta, but usually called the windows key], But Meta is Alt key
[14:05] <leaftype2> ubptgbot: it is? (looks at my wifes laptop). Oh, apple calls it "command". my mistake
 @pavelov [@Fuseteam BTW Source string location helps, should have noticed before], indeed haha
 @Flohack [Well yes its hard for FOSS people to call it Windows key, I get it ^^], tbh it was always called the super key, it's often called the windows key because well.......windows put the windows logo on it
 there used to be hyper key too xD
 leaftype2: eh? but command is/used as control
 [Edit] leaftype2: eh? but command is (used as) control
 Also, on some machines Alt and Meta are separate keys
 @Fuseteam [leaftype2: eh? but command is (used as) control], Not necessarily
[14:17] <leaftype2> ubptgbot: looking at a macbook right now. Control is control. Alt is "option", and command has their funky symbol on it
[14:18] <leaftype2> Apple might use the key differently, but that's the labels on it
 @UniversalSuperBox [Not necessarily], hmmm
 guess ctrl+x,c,v is too hardwired in my habits
[14:20] <leaftype2> could be. Apple has never realy loved standards and consistency
 appearently there used to be 6 shift states super, hyper, shift, control, alt and meta
 but the lack of meta let to meta shortcut being replaced with alt shortcuts
 leaftype2: yeah they really push their own brand of things
 tbf linux has has select and middle click for years before ctrl+x,c,v was a thing, not sure atm what the clipboard shortcuts where, if there were any
[14:24] <leaftype2> huh, interesting history
[14:24] <leaftype2> who had the other shift states?
 So anyway you press Control-Super-W :P
[14:27] <ubptgbot> nadavko was added by: nadavko
 Hi everyone. I'm trying to install on oneplus one and the installer just stays in the flashing firmware state and nothing seems to happen, the phone is in fastboot mode.
 @nadavko [Hi everyone. I'm trying to install on oneplus one and the installer just stays i …], Did you faastboot oem unlock your device?
 I did all the steps the app told me to do, is it something else?
 @Pete N. [Hi. Any one have knowledge of how to fix incoming sms (not receiving sms)  I try …], Is there a 2nd APN for internet/MMS ? , that needs to be added ?
 @nadavko [I did all the steps the app told me to do, is it something else?], Yes, it sometimes cannot unlock the bootloader. Can you stop the installer, and issue "fastboot devices" on the cmdline?
[14:54] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> @Marathon2422 [Is there a 2nd APN for internet/MMS ? , that needs to be added ?], Ty. I added the 2nd APN as well. I received a single text message yesterday.. but nothing since then
 @Flohack [Yes, it sometimes cannot unlock the bootloader. Can you stop the installer, and …], It returns nothing
 Does it matter that I have twrp and not the original bootloader?
 @Fuseteam ["scopes home" should now be "App Drawer" fwiw], nah there's an extra thing that should be removed (and will be in OTA 16)
 @leaftype2 [who had the other shift states?], old computers but emacs still do iiuc
 @dohbee [nah there's an extra thing that should be removed (and will be in OTA 16)], yeah i found it weird there's both a "open scopes home" and a "open app drawer" thingie
 should be open HUD 😁
 @nadavko [Does it matter that I have twrp and not the original bootloader?], Twrp ,stops you getting OTA updates, but its handy for backups
 @Marathon2422 [Twrp ,stops you getting OTA updates, but its handy for backups], you can always update via apt ( I know not funny joke )
 @just_carlod [you can always update via apt ( I know not funny joke )], It saved my device , when I was sent a twrp backup to repair my device with,.. "Stefano's" I think ,it was a while back.
[17:50] <ubptgbot> PurpleMcc was added by: PurpleMcc
 Hello everyone, I just noticed that Xiaomi redmi note 7 is supported by the installer and I was wondering what should I expect when I'll flash Ubuntu touch into my phone? What works and what doesn't currently? … So excited to try an os that isn't android or ios :D
 @PurpleMcc [Hello everyone, I just noticed that Xiaomi redmi note 7 is supported by the inst …], me too, really, sick of google adds
 @PurpleMcc [Hello everyone, I just noticed that Xiaomi redmi note 7 is supported by the inst …], [Edit] me too, really, sick of google ads
 @pavelov [me too, really, sick of google ads], try this app https://open-store.io/app/uadblock.mariogrip
 @Javacookies [should be open HUD 😁], really? 👀
[18:15] <ubptgbot> yarpopkov was added by: yarpopkov
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/hLwuNB9A.txt
 @yarpopkov [<reply to media>], please join https://t.me/UBports_porting for questions about porting UT to other devices. thanks
 @dohbee [please join https://t.me/UBports_porting for questions about porting UT to other …], O. Sorruy
 @dohbee [please join https://t.me/UBports_porting for questions about porting UT to other …], [Edit] O. Sorry
[18:20] <ubptgbot> Shayanrahnejat was added by: Shayanrahnejat
 Can we install ubuntu touch on galaxy a20s
 ?
 If you port it, you will able to install ut
 It seems that installer for redmi note 7 is broken. I can flash firmware but installing ubuntu touch fails
 what error do you get?
 I wish I screenshoted it 😬
 installer has option to get exact log to report a bug, that should be helpful
 Does the app store log files?
 [Edit] installer has an option to get exact log to report a bug, that should be helpful
 I'll try first installing manually using twrp then I'll come back to ubports installer
 @PurpleMcc [It seems that installer for redmi note 7 is broken. I can flash firmware but ins …], Installer works
 But there are some bugs
 @PurpleMcc [I'll try first installing manually using twrp then I'll come back to ubports ins …], I don't recommend you to do that
 @RedFox3 [Installer works], Really? I was only able to install recovery and firmware
 Can you describe your installation process
 Which os are you using?
 I mean host
 Ubuntu 20.04
 I use snap version of the installer
 @PurpleMcc [I use snap version of the installer], Which version?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/WUEyFRoy.png
 The last is 0.8.1-beta
 Ok
 Can you show your error?
 @PurpleMcc [I wish I screenshoted it 😬], I forgot to screenshot
 But I can try and install again
 @PurpleMcc [Hello everyone, I just noticed that Xiaomi redmi note 7 is supported by the inst …], Everything works but there is some issues like quiet call speaker
 @PurpleMcc [But I can try and install again], Try
 @RedFox3 [Try], I'll info once I do :)
 @PurpleMcc [I'll info once I do :)], Ok)
 @RedFox3 quick question. When the installer asks you to put a path to vendor.img , what do you put "path/to/vendor.img" or just "path/to/"?
 @PurpleMcc [@RedFox3 quick question. When the installer asks you to put a path to vendor.img …], First time I misunderstood it too)
 path/to/vendor.img
 Not to the zip
 Alright
 @RedFox3 [Not to the zip], That part I understood
 Trying to install right now
 It's currently flashing firmware
 Ok
 Error: systemimage:install: Error: Failed to download latest version TypeError: Cannot read property 'forEach' of undefined
 Here's the error
 @RedFox3
 should I try older version?
 @neothethird it looks like this error … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/1340
 Okay
 But I can't find any solution
 Should I maybe install appimage or deb instead of snap¨
 [Edit] Should I maybe install appimage or deb instead of snap?
 I don't think that it would help but
 Maybe you should
 Already trying
 Nope
 still the same issue
 Hmm, idk
 @RedFox3 [@neothethird it looks like this error … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-install …], I h
 Which version of ubuntu touch did you select?
 stable or dev?
 Dev
 It gets fixes much faster
 @Stereofont [There is Axolotl for UT. A Signal client], About Signal client and GNU/Linux, I just posted a long post on Purism forums.  I would love to have feedback from the UT community. I will probably link it in the UT forums too. https://forums.puri.sm/t/signal-silence-on-gnu-linux-a-comprehensive-summary-librem-5-app/5002/112?u=fl
[20:41] <ubptgbot> a
 @RedFox3 [Dev], I'll try that then
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Mi2AvlmO.png
 Seems like I needed to download dev instead of stable
 there is no stable for lavender yet: https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/arm64/android9/stable/lavender/
 @NotKit [there is no stable for lavender yet: https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/arm6 …], I see
 Makes sense now
 Thanks for all the info
 Is in booting process to the os
 Cool!
 @flaburgan [About Signal client and GNU/Linux, I just posted a long post on Purism forums. …], Surely the better option is to stop trying to bend around things that are actively hostile to third-party clients and instead make a good client for a service that welcomes people doing so (Though I understand the 'network effect' of all your
[20:54] <ubptgbot> friends being on one chat service so you can't jump away from it... is that really a problem with Signal?)
 @PiecerEdd [Surely the better option is to stop trying to bend around things that are active …], Signal is a very good piece of software. To reach the same level of quality and bring that many users in it, you need millions.
 @RedFox3 are there any steps that I should take after installing os?
 @flaburgan [Signal is a very good piece of software. To reach the same level of quality and …], Their official software may be good... but if they're actively preventing you from joining their service on a platform you use/support/want to see adopted... I'd rather not give them my support 😆
 exactly the same argument as eg. Adobe not supporting desktop Linux distros... rather than trying to shoehorn it in with VM's or badly-working Wine bottles, I'd rather just give 'em the finger and use something else
 @PiecerEdd [Their official software may be good... but if they're actively preventing you fr …], why are you saying that they actively preventing me? Axolotl is a third party client working for years, and they are even pushing a new official library to talk with signal server: https://github.com/signalapp/libsignal-client/
 not helping because the GNU/Linux marketshare is too small to be worth it doesn't mean to prevent
 I agree that the upstream response isn't the best one
 yeah maybe 'actively prevent' was too strong, sorry - but your entire post was about ideas to move away from a 'native' client in favour of an 'officially supported' one running in Anbox or a web runtime
 but it's free software, it can be forked if we really wants to do so. That's very different than the Adobe situation
 @PurpleMcc [Hello everyone, I just noticed that Xiaomi redmi note 7 is supported by the inst …], doesnt seem to work for my redmi note 7 tried the ubports installer just stuck on recovery
 @Cameron [doesnt seem to work for my redmi note 7 tried the ubports installer just stuck o …], are you installing from devel channel?
 and well, if it is really THAT difficult to get help from the service, and ensure that your client is actually going to work on their service... there are most likely other services which I'm sure would be far more glad to help you
 @flaburgan [but it's free software, it can be forked if we really wants to do so. That's ver …], adobe is only about every users used to it and don't want to change
 @NotKit [are you installing from devel channel?], yeah
 they might not be actively harmful to you, but they are fairly open about being anti-third party client generally, at least discouraging to it
 maybe that new official library will change things though
 @PiecerEdd [and well, if it is really THAT difficult to get help from the service, and ensur …], probably. My main argument here is security. Signal code is a nice piece of software. Audited, design from the very beginning to be as strong as possible. I don't know any other messaging free software which is as good as Signal, and in my o
[22:28] <ubptgbot> pinion it will be a long time before we see another one.
 @PiecerEdd [they might not be actively harmful to you, but they are fairly open about being …], yeah and I can understand why, I'm saying it myself in the forum post. Did you know that Axolotl doesn't have a test suite? We're working hard to provide a good software, but we just can't provide a robust one. That means, I am lowering the s
[22:30] <ubptgbot> ecurity level of all my contacts by using Axolotl, without them even knowing it. That's really not a behavior I want to encourage.
 yeah i get you, I just hope I'm wrong, and I'd never want to tell anyone they're not allowed to spend their time dev'ing something the way they want to, I'm just always weary about this sort of thing
 @PiecerEdd [yeah i get you, I just hope I'm wrong, and I'd never want to tell anyone they're …], well, what is your alternative proposal? I'm not trolling, I'm really curious
 from a dev standpoint? I don't have one... from a user standpoint, I wouldn't want to invite my friends to a service who makes claims about openness and security while also making it difficult to use any other platform than Android and iOS (correct me if I'm wrong... but the issues with third-party Signal clients always seem to be down
[22:46] <ubptgbot> to OWS not being supportive of their efforts)
 @PiecerEdd [from a dev standpoint? I don't have one... from a user standpoint, I wouldn't wa …], well, the desktop client is available on Windows, Mac OS and GNU/Linux. That has been possible because electron is cross-platform. Once again we're back on the "limited resources / cost" topic.
 I'm quite sure they would love to have a native Signal app for UT, but our OS doesn't have enough users so it's not worth doing it
 I'm really not familiar with electron at all (outside of it being a webapp wrapper thingy that allows a few extra goodies), would there be any... facility? at all, to unpack all the actual 'Signal' code from it (scrapping the Electron part) and re-mashing it into the webapp system UT uses?
 like i know for a lot of UT webapps you can literally just point it at a HTTPS URL, but I don't think Signal provide it as an actual accessible website, so presumably that means the actual meat of it is in the electron app itself?
 there was an allusion once that electron apps could technically be converted to an webapp that runs on UT but i don't think anyone has tried that
 presumably though... the electron app isn't proprietary is it, so would it be easier to use the unbuilt code and mod it into a UT webapp (as opposed to taking the electron app, and unpacking it)
 ahh hmm
 @dohbee [but electron apps could also theoretically be built as html5 apps using webapp-c …], well that wasn't _that_ long ago
 @dohbee [but electron apps could also theoretically be built as html5 apps using webapp-c …], [Edit] well that wasn't that long ago
 @PiecerEdd [I'm really not familiar with electron at all (outside of it being a webapp wrapp …], that's exactly what I am planning to do yes. That also implies to adapt the UI to work on small screens
 right
 wait is the signal electron app open source or something?
 i would've thought so? all their other clients are aren't they?
 cool, didn't realize signal was open source too haha
 i wonder how feasible it is to submit a pr that creates ut webapp with from electron apps xD
 [Edit] i wonder how feasible it is to submit a pr that creates ut webapps from electron apps xD
 [Edit] i wonder how feasible it is to work on a pr that creates ut webapps from electron apps xD
 supposedly Whatsapp uses the Signal protocol too, but of course they haven't open sourced anything so they can talk the talk all the want 😆