[00:01] <Zythyr> jeremy31 So is the expectation that I should alwasy boot into Ubunutu's grub bootloader which also gives me the option for Windows? So even if I want WIndows as a the default, I should boot into grub first? Also funny in BIOS i  see the option to re-order the options (windows or ubuntu efi) however it won't let me press enter to save the settigns after reordering
[00:01] <gebbione> pavlos, unfortunately made no difference
[00:01] <jeremy31> Zythyr: try the F10 if I remember correctly to change the order
[00:02] <jayjo-> when using a 3rd party apt repository, usually i would download the key and pipe it to apt-key add, which has been deprecated. Some other keys are now just placing their keys under /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, which seems better than using /etc/apt/trusted.gpg. But should I be adding them somewhere else and using [signed-by=...] in sources.list?
[00:02] <jeremy31> Zythyr: for some reason HP will allow ubuntu to be added to the EFI but won't allow it to alter the EFI bootloader order
[00:04] <OceanGao> jayjo- I don't know which is the best, but I'm using sorces.list to manage those 3rd party apt repos.
[00:04] <OceanGao> sources.list
[00:06] <Zythyr> jeremy31 That worked! Got luckly u have HP expereince. I do have a follow up question though
[00:08] <jayjo-> ok, thanks, I'm going to remove the keys from the trusted keyring then and list them there
[00:08] <Zythyr> When installing Ubuntu after installing Windows10, where am I suppose to install the Ubuntu bootloader? Win10 will be my primary default OS. Should I install Ubuntu bootloader on the root device (ex: /dev/sda) or on the partition Ubuntu is isntalled on (ex: /dev/sda5) or on the efi partition which contains the Windows bootmanager (ex: /dev/sda1)? I watched youtube tutorials but go confllicting
[00:08] <Zythyr> info
[00:10] <jeremy31> Zythyr: Boot loader should get installed to a drive like /dev/sda and not a partition like /dev/sda*
[00:10] <jeremy31> Grub install will figure it out
[00:11] <jeremy31> Zythyr: the only issue will happen if the Ubuntu ISO is booted in BIOS when Windows in installed in UEFI or the other way around
[00:15] <Zythyr> jeremy31 If I want Ubuntu to show up in Windows 10 bootmanger menu, do I have to manually add Ubuntu using tools like EasyBCD? I am guessing Ubuntu won't automatically do it after installation???
[00:16] <jeremy31> Zythyr: I have never been able to add Ubuntu too Win 10 boot manager menu
[00:17] <jeremy31> Might be because I didn't try enough
[00:18] <Zythyr> jeremy31 Thank you for all ur help
[00:34] <oops> what's the latest ubuntu version for i386 and where to download?
[00:37] <oerheks> mate or lubuntu i guess ,, https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/18.04/release/ https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
[00:40] <Bashing-om> oops: xubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <- is one way.
[01:13] <alazy> I read that a regression that makes my system unusable should be fixed by upgrading my gpu driver from nvidia 450 packaged with ubuntu to nvidia 455+ from their website. Anything I should know/do before removing the apt-installed version and trying to install it on my own to make it go smoothly?
[01:16] <Bashing-om> alazy: Nvidia says do not do that - we have a trusted PPA that might support your release with the 455 version driver. What release are you on and what is the card ?
[01:17] <Bashing-om> alazy: Nvidia: "Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package." :D
[01:23] <chalcedony> good evening Bashing-om :)
[01:24] <chalcedony> a quick i hope question. How does one open port 113 on Ubuntu 20.04? it seems to be in his computer, not the router.
[01:24] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: :D - Ya get hubby's box all squared away ?
[01:26] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, its a computer. That will be the day.
[01:28] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: Yeah - computers are pretty stupid - They will not tell us we are fixing to mess up :P
[01:29] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, is there a fix for the port 113?
[01:32] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: The app should open the port as required - what is the background here ?
[01:33] <tomreyn> chalcedony: i thnk you're trying 0to set up identd. this is a really old protocol, and while you can still use it, there is not really any use to it.
[01:34] <pavlos> gebbione: "sudo apt install --reinstall fontconfig" then "fc-cache -v -f" (regenerate cache)
[01:40] <gebbione> i tried by deleting all the cache too
[01:40] <gebbione> not sure why on my machine is not working but i dont think an installer should fail if cache is not removed
[01:40] <gebbione> so i opened a ticket on the snap package github repo
[01:41] <chalcedony> tomreyn, it's hesitating when i try to connect him to freenode.
[01:45] <chull> Bashing-om, tomreyn it does finally connect, but it takes a long long time.
[01:47] <tomreyn> chull: yes, it can takes two seconds or something, the irc server waits for a timeout. if you dislike it, setting up identd is an option.
[01:49] <chull> tomreyn, it seems longer than two seconds. More like minutes.
[01:49] <chull> as long as it does it.
[01:49] <tomreyn> hmm, that's unusually long.
[01:50] <tomreyn> /join #freenode    for discussing the pro's and con's of using identd when connscting to freenode.
[01:50] <chull> :)
[01:50] <chull> hexchat is umm.
[02:00] <pavlos> gebbione: "dpkg -l | grep fontconfig" you should have 3 pkgs, fontconfig, fontconfig-config, and libfontconfig1:amd64
[02:03] <GSMarquis> Do you all have to kill snap store and reload all the time?
[02:22] <Adie> test: https://i.adie.space/oabtxf.jpeg
[02:30] <fraktor> I'd like to change the account name for my user. What's the best way to transition all the things that were currently set up under this account?
[02:35] <zykotick9> fraktor: copy or rsync your current /home/OLD directory to you new /home/NEW directory.
[02:45] <AdorableGNU> I'm having issues. I've enabled "Media Sharing", and even toggled on, on the name of mylocal wireless network. yet none of my devices can see the system.
[02:57] <alazy> Bashing-om: Regolith, based on Ubuntu 20.10. GeForce GTX 750Ti. I saw the warning and that's why I asked how to mitigate problems here ;)
[03:03] <Budgie^Smore> so I am loving the microk8s tool but I have noticed that for a few containers I am running right now they go into and out of a ready state and I get network notifications about the changes that Calico is making to my systems interfaces. Anyone else seen that behavoir have any advice?
[03:03] <alazy> Bashing-om: what's the ppa? I just tried add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers    but it seems out of date. It tells me current branch is nvidia-430. I need 455+
[03:03] <Bashing-om> alazy: Well; Nvidia recommends the 450 version driver: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/164073/en-us :(
[03:05] <Bashing-om> alazy: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[03:12] <conr> how do i fix `unable to generate an authority file name` when starting x11vnc? i have one located at `~/.Xauthority`.
[03:17] <oops> using "sudod apt-add-repository ...." prompt "sudo :apt-add-repository" command not find" my os version is 14.04.6
[03:18] <Bashing-om> !14.04 | oops
[03:19] <Bashing-om> oops: ^^ The repository no longer exist as you once knew it.
[03:19] <alazy> Bashing-om: It's a dpms bug that apparently has just been fixed in nvidia 455.28 : https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1930484#p1930484
[03:20] <Bashing-om> alazy: Nothing says you can not try and install the 455 version driver - ( If Nvidia liked the idea they would say so) good luck.
[03:20] <alazy> Bashing-om: So that ppa does have the 455 driver? The "Current long-lived branch release: 'nvidia-430'" part at the top confused me.
[03:21] <alazy> Anyone else here tried to install 455? Anything to watch know/do beforehand? Better to remove current driver first or upgrade in place, for example?
[03:22] <Bashing-om> alazy: "nvidia-graphics-drivers-455455.45.01-0ubuntu0.20.04.1" is there :)
[03:22] <Bashing-om> alazy: Always purge the current driver 1st.
[03:25] <GSMarquis77> Snap store problems? Do you all have to keep restarting snap store for it to populate?
[03:28] <alazy> Thanks. Should I just purge everything with nvidia in it? That would be: apt purge xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-450-server nvidia-utils-450-server nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-source-450-server nvidia-kernel-common-450-server nvidia-driver-450-server nvidia-dkms-450-server nvidia-compute-utils-450-server ...goes on 24 pkgs.
[03:30] <Bashing-om> alazy: ' sudo apt purge nvidia* " generally is all that is needed - and of course update/upgrade the system once the PPA is added to the system.
[03:56] <GSMarquis77> The next LTS is 22.04?
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> yes GSMarquis77
[03:57] <Bashing-om> GSMarquis77: Affirmed :D
[03:58] <MIF> When will it be out?
[03:58] <GSMarquis77> So name would be FF?
[03:58] <MIF> that is 20.04
[03:59] <MIF> Focial Fossia
[03:59] <MIF> (right????)
[03:59] <GSMarquis77> II?
[03:59] <MIF> 20.10 is Grovy Gorilla
[03:59] <GSMarquis77> Interesting Iguana?
[03:59] <MIF> I think so
[04:00] <MIF> can someone confirm?
[04:00] <MIF> or deny
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> !codenames | GSMarquis77
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[04:02] <GSMarquis77> Link wont load
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> does for me GSMarquis77
[04:03] <GSMarquis77> I can see an Iguana with the "Thinking man" pose
[04:04] <GSMarquis77> So next LTS would actually be JJ
[04:12] <GSMarquis77> Why do I have so many NickServ Nick issues?
[04:12] <GSMarquis77> Im thinking because of my VPN
[04:13] <GSMarquis77> All my issues started when PIA sold to new company
[04:22] <GSMarquis77> Jovial Jaguar?
[04:27] <GSMarquis77> I got it...... Judicious Jellyfish
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | GSMarquis
[05:20] <conr> i don't know where to find my raw display manager MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE file for gdm3 so i can run x11vnc on boot. please help.
[05:41] <mertgor> hi Ubuntu!
[05:46] <Didact> hi all need help doing FS check my server crashed... /dev/mapper/ubuntu---vg-root needs manual fsck
[05:49] <mertgor> Anyone interested in remixes of Ubuntu ? If please mention my name
[05:50] <mertgor> I would like to learn why they exists and how can they help upstream
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | mertgor
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> mertgor: can you elaborate what you want to do in #ubuntu-discuss please
[06:39] <devilnull> hi all-having trouble with virtualbox + extension pack(usb add not working) i installed from the software center and now after failure to resolve am removing it via the software center(GUI) and via cli "sudo apt purge virtualbox, yest" cli told me it wont remove the expansion pack as its not empty can i delete it manually without issue if planning on new install after the full purge
[06:42] <devilnull> can i delete this without issue-"cd Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack/"
[06:43] <devilnull> can i delete this without issue-"cd /usr/lib/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack/"
[07:08] <devilnull> sorted all gud
[07:31] <bray90820> Would there be an issue having two crontab entries set for the same time?
[07:33] <Razathorn> Nope.  I believe there is a setting that controlls parallel execution, but at worst, after that maximum is hit, they run serially if I recall correctly
[07:34] <Razathorn> In fact, on my down stairs server, it runs multiple backups all scheduled at the same times, because, you know, hammer the disks, amiright?
[07:36] <hudo> bray90820, you can use sleep to scatter a little bit
[07:37] <bray90820> Razathorn: Thanks
[08:08] <panorain> Hillary Clinton noticed Clapper.
[08:08] <panorain> Bill Clinton is a piece of trash
[08:08] <panorain> Hillary Clinton likes it up her ass.
[08:26] <Rexodus> Is it expected if you 'chmod 000 file.ext' and you 'sudo cat file.ext' you get a dd error?
[08:26] <Rexodus> dd: invalid number: ‘’
[08:52] <EriC^^> Rexodus: no
[08:53] <Rexodus> EriC^^: Well, that is exactly what happens :P
[08:53] <Rexodus> Not a problem at all but I noticed it...
[08:54] <EriC^^> Rexodus: doesnt happen here, i think something else is going on
[08:55] <EriC^^> Rexodus: try 'type cat' or 'type sudo' see what you get
[08:55] <Rexodus> I run Xubuntu in vmware
[08:56] <Rexodus> sudo is hashed (/usr/bin/sudo)
[08:56] <Rexodus> Same for cat
[08:56] <EriC^^> /bin/cat ?
[08:57] <Rexodus> cat is hashed (/usr/bin/cat)
[08:58] <EriC^^> hmm
[08:58] <Rexodus> Standard and default install with KDE and XFCE4
[08:58] <EriC^^> type          dpkg -L coreutils | grep "bin/cat"
[08:58] <Rexodus> Not found.
[08:59] <EriC^^> Rexodus: ah i know what's happened, the file actually contains the sentence "dd: invalid number: ‘’
[08:59] <EriC^^> lol
[08:59] <EriC^^> Rexodus: type "sudo hexdump -C file.ext"
[08:59] <Rexodus> omg.....
[09:00] <Rexodus> forget what I wrote today :P
[09:00] <EriC^^> hehe
[09:01] <Rexodus> How to make a fool of yourself... ;)
[09:01] <EriC^^> it happens with everyone, it's life :D
[09:02] <Rexodus> However, 1 question remains. Root should have no read-rights too?
[09:03] <EriC^^> i'll throw some advice if you're using dd and stuff and new to it, always double check the line before hitting enter cause a wrong of= and your hdd could get rewritten and files lost
[09:03] <Rexodus> Yeah, been there ;)
[09:03] <EriC^^> it's one of those commands you really wanna double check before hitting enter
[09:03] <Rexodus> I use it mainly to backup my Windows drive.
[09:03] <EriC^^> i see
[09:04] <EriC^^> same here, easy backup/restore
[09:04] <Rexodus> And there comes a next question. I never tried to dd my /dev/sda with bitlocker active. Is this working too?
[09:05] <EriC^^> i guess it would work if bitlocker is something that's software not hardware, tbh i never used bitlocker
[09:05] <EriC^^> it's software?
[09:05] <Rexodus> Yes.
[09:05] <Rexodus> I don't have trusted platform chips afaik
[09:06] <Rexodus> But than again, that sould be no problem if I keep the same mainboard...
[09:07] <EriC^^> i see
[09:07] <Rexodus> But if it dies, I lose everyting or something like that. Dunno exactly...
[09:07] <EriC^^> O.o
[09:07] <Rexodus> Mainboard gone, trusted platform gone?
[09:08] <PallasXD> Hi, my touchpad no work fine. The half area is configured like Scroll Area. How can i reduce the left scroll area at 1cm at the left of the toucpad ?
[09:08] <Rexodus> Anyway, if I have something like that it is switched off.
[09:09] <EriC^^> i see
[09:09] <EriC^^> found this post, https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/9urk6o/how_to_tell_if_bitlocker_is_using_software/
[09:10] <Rexodus> Bitlocker is not installed at the moment. I was referring to the TPM https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/tpm/trusted-platform-module-overview
[09:11] <Rexodus> Afaik you can't even install Linux with that activated.
[09:12] <admin0> hi all .. i created a btrfs fs by using mkfs.btrfs -f -L lxdlvm /dev/infra/lxd .. how do I tell lxd to use this as the default storage ?
[09:12] <Rexodus> Storage as in /home?
[09:13] <admin0> no . as in use that lvm/btrfs for the whole system when i do a lxc launch
[09:21] <admin0> Rexodus, how to set a new storage pool as default ?
[09:21] <admin0> found it
[09:27] <sammyg> does ubuntu 20.10 support legacy bios mode?
[09:29] <EriC^^> sammyg: yeah
[09:34] <sammyg> what image supports that? desktop image? or server only or some testing image?
[09:35] <EriC^^> sammyg: all images support it
[09:35] <EriC^^> the mini iso doesnt support uefi however
[09:37] <sammyg> maybe my problem is the rufus tool then? i wrote ubuntu-20.10-desktop-amd64.iso (desktop) to a usb stick using rufus and legacy bios was not an option (for either mbr or gpt) and i can't boot it now in csm mode (expected given the lack of legacy option in rufus) on my b550 motherboard
[09:39] <ThinkT510> sammyg: you could dd the iso to the usb instead
[09:39] <ThinkT510> assuming you don't want to keep anything else on the usb
[09:40] <sammyg> ah good point! will try that next.
[09:41] <ThinkT510> make sure you pick the right device label, you don't want to pick the wrong one with dd
[09:42] <sammyg> i do get to see the "kingston bla bla" in the boot list (f8), but when i select it it gets skipped past and another os boots. and if i power off and disconnect all disks and try again i get to see the problem: "reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key".
[09:46] <EriC^^> sammyg: i'd try to dd the iso as suggested
[09:49] <sammyg> writing anew in dd mode: https://imgur.com/a/6iRQKkm
[09:51] <sammyg> i still can't change "target system" and write mode (dd) does not depend on this parameter.
[09:52] <EriC^^> sammyg: dd copies the iso as-is, by default it'll support both booting modes
[09:53] <sammyg> i came across this earlier, seems to be the same problem (unless i'm wrong 20.10 expects efi system): https://askubuntu.com/questions/1286977/ubuntu-20-10-installer-thinks-legacy-system-uses-efi-booting
[10:14] <sammyg> ThinkT510 & EriC^^ hooray! it worked! thank you guys!
[10:17] <sammyg> should i be always using dd mode when writing ubuntu images to usb?
[10:21] <sammyg> this is what i'm more used to seeing when writing ubuntu images: "bios or uefi": https://i.imgur.com/fy3xyIo.png
[10:42] <soft_concrete> Does Ubuntu Server make heavy use of snaps, the way the desktop version does?
[10:43] <soft_concrete> Even without installing any snaps manually on my workstation, I see a few running
[10:50] <jackbrown> hello
[10:50] <jackbrown> anyone there?
[10:55] <OceanGao> jackbrown yup
[10:56] <jackbrown> OceanGao: hello can you help me to purge my Epson printer driver from the Sytem ?
[10:57] <jackbrown> system
[11:09] <CrazyH> Ubuntu 20.04. How do I get the system to STOP trying to auto read my RAID array? I'm trying to set up mdadm, but I can't assemble the array, because the partition is busy... because Ubuntu won't stop trying to freaking auto detect it.
[11:21] <CrazyH> Looks like the answer to my question might be: `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount false` and then a reboot
[11:26] <CrazyH> Nope! still auto detects the RAID... making it busy
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:08] <N3bulaK> Hello all
[13:09] <N3bulaK> I use gpg2 in terminal, is there a way to use this with UI?
[13:09] <N3bulaK> for example; when you right click on a file, it will give me an option to encrypt/decrypt etc?
[13:40] <rneese> moorning all
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> welcome rneese
[13:41] <rneese> so  whats the topic this am ?
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> rneese: #ubuntu is the support channel to help out users with problems
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | rneese
[13:43] <rneese> I was being polite before asking and interupting
[13:43] <rneese> ok we are working on budgie desktop   is there  a  howto for setting features before first boot like overrides ?
[13:44] <rneese> for wallpapers and  other settings ?
[13:45] <rneese> we  are working on a arm64  desktop release  that needs some defaults set
[13:47] <TJ-> Anyone know the purpose / origination of nodejs-mozilla ? looks like a Canonical published package but no indications as to its intended purpose
[14:26] <coreyfarrell> hello all, I'm starting to plan migration from CentOS to Ubuntu LTS Server.  does anyone know of any admin guides which target knowledgeable CentOS admins?  I assume most differences will be different package naming, rpm vs dpkg and dnf vs apt?
[14:27] <pizzaiolo> coreyfarrell i'm not personally familiar but you might want to try in #ubuntu-server
[14:29] <rneese> rpm vs deb
[14:29] <rneese> dokg is a tool
[14:46] <TJ-> coreyfarrell: before making that jump you might also want to consider your position on ubuntu-server installing snapd by default and having several packages available via snaps only
[15:05] <INSANU> hey guys, simple question how can I install clang and cmake?
[15:05] <INSANU> without asking, like, forcing =)
[15:16] <gordonjcp> INSANU: what exactly are you trying to do?
[15:17] <INSANU> well, I am writing a pipeline in github to build a package that I created, I am going to use ubuntu as the node. But I am not sure about the package names =)
[15:28] <dust> installing 20.10 with lvm leads to a swap with 980mb... how can the swap be increased when VG       #PV #LV #SN Attr   VSize    VFree  vgubuntu   1   2   0 wz--n- <465,26g    0
[15:29] <dust> insufficient free space... the disc is large enough as u see
[15:30] <gordonjcp> dust: people still use swap?
[15:30] <dust> ofc gordonjcp
[15:30] <gordonjcp> did I wake up in the 90s?
[15:31] <dust> whatever ram size u ve it ll never be enough at some point...
[15:33] <gordonjcp> dust: what's "u ve"?
[15:33] <gordonjcp> in this context
[15:33] <gordonjcp> I can't say I've found swap to be particularly necessary, since I switched away from linux 2.4
[15:36] <jeremy31> you have?
[15:36] <dust> gordonjcp, 8gb and more ram is no option... so swap is needed and i want the double amount of ram which gives 16gb
[15:37] <gordonjcp> okay
[15:37] <gordonjcp> if 8GB is not enough and you want 8GB of swap too, you wil have incredibly disappointing performance
[15:38] <gordonjcp> dust: maybe if you have an SSD it'll mitigate it a bit but anything so old it can only take 8GB RAM will have dialup-speed SATA
[15:39] <dust> gordonjcp, u dont tell me new stuff... see my question above... how to increase swap on lvm when vfree is 0
[15:40] <gordonjcp> dust: you could stop your existing swap, create a new partition, and then set that up as swap
[15:41] <gordonjcp> dust: I feel like growing the swap partition wouldn't totally work
[15:41] <dust> followed this but it didnt work... thats the reason i ask here https://opensource.com/article/18/9/swap-space-linux-systems
[15:41] <gordonjcp> dust: if you've more than one SATA channel, buy another SSD and put swap on that with a totally separate SATA channel
[15:42] <dust> gordonjcp, is no option... its only about increase swap
[15:42] <dust> its a laptop...
[15:43] <gordonjcp> dust: talk me through what you've done and where you got stuck
[15:44] <dust> lvextend -L +2G /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-swap_1 failed
[15:45] <dust> insuficient free space: 3584 extends needed, but only 0 available
[15:47] <tpw_rules> hello. i have an ubuntu 20.04.1 machine and systemd-networkd does not run DHCP and assign it an IP address. running "sudo dhclient" works fine, but then the lease ends eventually and it loses internet. the journal says nothing useful. there's a file in /etc/systemd/network/ for my interface which enables DHCP
[15:47] <dust> VG       #PV #LV #SN Attr   VSize    VFree
[15:47] <dust>   vgubuntu   1   2   0 wz--n- <465,26g    0
[15:51] <tpw_rules> actually hm, it seems there was something wrong in /etc/network/interfaces. i thought systemd didn't use that
[15:52] <gordonjcp> dust: so I guess you have no free space left in your volume set
[15:52] <vlm> dust, im not sure,but maybe you need to add a disk to you vg,seems all is allocated to yout two existing lvs
[15:53] <gordonjcp> dust: you'll either need to make another LV smaller or fit another disk
[15:53] <gordonjcp> dust: making an existing LV smaller is probably going to give you an exciting afternoon
[15:53] <dust> so basically to use gparted and reduce disc size to get it free for swap
[15:53] <gordonjcp> dust: I would strongly recommend backing up everything you care about and making a bootable install stick
[15:54] <gordonjcp> dust: no, you'll need to reduce a logical volume to free up space in LVM
[15:54] <dust> so basically is a new install...
[15:54] <gordonjcp> dust: that would be safest and easiest tbh
[15:54] <dust> k ll try that
[15:54] <dust> gordonjcp, thx for infos and help
[15:55] <gordonjcp> dust: you can try resizing your other logical volume but you'll need to unmount it, resize it, and fsck it
[15:55] <gordonjcp> dust: if that's the only disk in your machine then I'm guessing that you can't just unmount the other LV
[15:55] <gordonjcp> so you're going to need a bootable USB stick anyway
[15:55] <gordonjcp> dust: are you using an SSD?
[15:55] <dust> bootable usb to boot and do it from there i imagine
[15:56] <gordonjcp> dust: yup
[15:56] <dust> its a mix of sdd and hdd
[15:56] <gordonjcp> okay, because I was going to say if you end up spending money today spend it on an SSD
[15:56] <gordonjcp> it's the best 80 quid you'll ever spend on PC bits
[15:57] <gordonjcp> one of my "not important" boxes has four 2TB normal drives configured as striped and mirrored and it's so painfully slow
[15:58] <gordonjcp> dust: I let $teenager use it so she could experience what computers were like in the (pre 2010) olden days
[15:58] <dust> normally the 8gb is enough but it can be that in some rare situations more is needed and so a good sized swap is important to not crash programs while some important work is done and lost...
[15:58] <gordonjcp> dust: as long as it's nothing time-sensitive
[15:58] <dust> gordonjcp, better slow than sorry :D
[16:11] <conr> does anybody know how to automate  stopping or killing a systemd service after logging in over gdm3?
[16:16] <conr> startup applications was my first thought but i cant run it as root in my user account without getting a password prompt.
[16:17] <gordonjcp> conr: for the avoidance of the XY problem, what are you trying to do?
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> conr: try stacer for managing systemd services a GUI way easy
[16:20] <conr> gordonjcp: i have x11vnc startup on boot so i can vnc to my ubuntu box and login to my account. but since gdm3, x11vnc goes to a black screen so a hack is to start another session and i was just going to use vino but wanted to kill the x11vnc service.
[16:20] <gordonjcp> conr: why not just stop x11vnc altogether and use vino?
[16:21] <gordonjcp> conr: alternatively, you can look at /etc/sudoers and see how to run specific commands with elevated privileges, possibly without entering a password
[16:21] <conr> gordonjcp: i dont think vino starts until user logs in
[16:21] <gordonjcp> conr: you can lock it down to just a particular command
[16:22] <gordonjcp> hm
[16:22] <gordonjcp> wouldn't that mean you log into x11vnc but then kill your connection when vino starts?
[16:22] <conr> x11vnc is the only vnc ive got to run on boot.
[16:22] <gordonjcp> also
[16:22] <conr> correct
[16:22] <gordonjcp> why bother with VNC, why not just do remote X
[16:23] <gordonjcp> ssh will forward X quite happily
[16:24] <conr> i dont know remote X. does mac support? plus i like my vnc viewer.
[16:24] <gordonjcp> oh, maybe macs don't support it
[16:25] <gordonjcp> conr: to be honest I've never really bothered VNCing to Linux machines, kind of don't see the point
[16:25] <atomiss5> Hey, i would like to have a rough estimate, if it will affect the speed and stability of my netbook ubuntu (now 18.04.5, uptodate), if i do an release upgrade to 20.04.1. It is an rather old netbook, less than 1 GB Ram and so on.
[16:26] <gordonjcp> atomiss5: with that little RAM I'd consider a "lighter" Ubuntu, like xubuntu or similar
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> atomiss5: is it ubuntu desktop or another flavour?
[16:26] <conr> gordonjcp: wel i have a use cass cause its my vpn box that i browse ans torrent with. not fun when its headless.
[16:26] <gordonjcp> conr: surely it would be easier to just forward stuff through it?
[16:27] <conr> gordonjcp: well i have a 1Gb connection so dont want other devices to suffer
[16:28] <atomiss5> dang. Gotta phone call. I have to check in back later. Thanks for the answers already
[16:28] <gordonjcp> conr: it's worth looking into, I'd say
[16:29] <gordonjcp> conr: if you're really up for a bit of fun, look into installing Apache Guacamole on your remote box, which is a web-accessible VNC viewer
[16:30] <conr> gordonjcp: is it availabe on boot?
[16:30] <gordonjcp> conr: you'd run it as a normal service
[16:30] <gordonjcp> conr: effectively you'd run it as a web server, but setting it up is pretty complicated
[16:30] <atomiss5> lotuspsychje hmm, it says all normal with lsb_release -a or ubuntu SMP in cat /proc/version
[16:31] <conr> gordonjcp: oh i see its like a dumbed down gui
[16:31] <gordonjcp> conr: what is?
[16:31] <conr> apache guac
[16:32] <conr> ive setup a lot of webserver in my life
[16:32] <gordonjcp> conr: no, it's a full-fat VNC viewer
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> atomiss5: lubuntu 20.04 i tested on an old netbook with 2GB ram running fine, ubuntu-desktop with gnome needs at least 4GB+ reccomended 8GB
[16:32] <gordonjcp> conr: you point your browser at it, log in, and VNC to the box you want
[16:32] <atomiss5> ok, thank you!
[16:33] <gordonjcp> conr: I use it as the front-end to a training system I built for some very very specialised network equipment (which runs Windows XP but that's a whole other can of worms)
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> atomiss5: i would try a lubuntu 20.04 fresh
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> atomiss5: unless your computer is 32bit?
[16:35] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: my lowest-end laptop has a whopping 64MB of RAM :-)
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: wich DE/WM are you on there?
[16:36] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: fvwm2, on a very very hand-tuned NetBSD
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> ah
[16:37] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: I work with high-frequency radio equipment where you tune it by polishing tiny brass pegs with jeweller's rouge
[16:37] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: one wipe too far can put you 100MHz off frequency
[16:37] <conr> gordonjcp: im confused. does gauc dispaly the remote client the browser or do you need a vnc client?
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: lets go to #ubuntu-discuss
[16:37] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: building a kernel for this Thinkpad felt a bit like pulling in one of these TXes
[16:37] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: sorry, thought we were -offtopic :-)
[16:37] <gordonjcp> conr: it's a VNC *viewer*
[16:38] <gordonjcp> conr: browse to it with the browser of your choice then VNC to whatever you want to run
[16:38] <conr> so it connects to like vino over browser?
[16:38] <gordonjcp> conr: as I say though setting it up is nontrivial but it's an excellent tool
[16:38] <gordonjcp> yup
[16:39] <gordonjcp> conr: if you have concerns over privacy I'd strongly recommend looking at using your remote box as a VPN endpoint and tunnelling over it
[16:39] <conr> gordonjcp: how does ubuntu 20 desktop look on it?
[16:39] <gordonjcp> conr: pretty normal over a fastish connection
[16:40] <gordonjcp> conr: I never ever ever use Linux machines remotely with a GUI though
[16:40] <gordonjcp> conr: occasionally I have to use RDP or VNC to access Windows machines remotely and it sucks
[16:40] <gordonjcp> I don't know why Windows doesn't have a normal cli
[16:40] <conr> gordonjcp: actually i didnt say its a box on my home network. haha
[16:42] <Lutin> I always install new servers with the latest minor ISO but are there reasons not to use/upgrade to the latest minor release ?
[16:42] <conr> i have a imac and linux desktop on the same desk but want to run a vnc session through my iMac.
[16:43] <conr> gordonjcp: thats my actual end goal ^
[16:44] <gordonjcp> conr: daft question - does x11vnc work with a monitor plugged into your Linux box?
[16:44] <geosmile> If I have a 80GB drive and a 40GB drive, can i add them both to look like a 120GB drive to the OS? I am really needed to spill over a particular directory on the 80GB drive that is currently using 34G and I want to spill it over to the 40G drive
[16:45] <geosmile> So mainly I need a particular directory to use two drives for storage of its files.
[16:45] <conr> gordonjcp: i dont get the plugged in question. but it does work if im logged in to my user account.
[16:46] <TJ-> geosmile: using LVM yes; each drive can contribute a Physical Volume (PV) to a single Volume Group, from where space for Logical Volumes (LV) is allocated, and LVs can be extended at will given free space in their parent VG
[16:54] <geosmile> TJ-, thanks
[17:07] <rr123> on ubuntu 20.04 ctrl+alt+f1 gives me the GUI login screen instead of a text console?
[17:07] <rr123> i thought ctrl-alt-f1~f6 are still text console only
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> !tty | rr123
[17:08] <rr123> so it's different from older ubuntus, fine, ctrl-alt-f1 gave me a new login, while f2 gave me a already-logged-in GUI
[17:09] <rr123> so ctrl-alt-f2 is the old F7, what's ctrl+alt+f1 for then
[19:01] <faLUKE>  hello, is there anyone aware of this? On debian/ubuntu, python3-venv must be installed separately as a package. Before installing it, python3 -m venv did not work. After installing it, it works. Well: I purged the python3-venv package (with apt-get purge) and venv is still present. How can I remove it??
[19:01] <faLUKE> --> still installed
[19:03] <BlueEagle> faLUKE: did you also do autoremove?
[19:06] <faLUKE> BlueEagle: yes
[19:08] <faLUKE> I sould see the install and remove scripts... but how ?
[19:19] <coconut> Where can i find the licenses of the wallpapers that come with ubuntu?
[19:20] <faLUKE> BlueEagle: solved. I had to manually remove another package
[19:20] <Maik> coconut: https://askubuntu.com/questions/519233/what-license-are-the-ubuntu-wallpapers-distributed-under
[19:22] <coconut> Maik, are ALL wallpapers under that license, also those from for example dapper drake?
[19:22] <Maik> dunno
[19:24] <coconut> thanks Maik :)
[19:24] <Maik> yw :)
[19:39] <masterboy> hi, does anyone know how to connect to the ubuntu core vm? ssh user@localhost:8022 does not work
[19:39] <masterboy> nice question :P
[19:39] <masterboy> https://ubuntu.com/download/kvm does not help
[19:41] <masterboy> nevermind the howto works
[19:42] <jeremy31> !cookie | google
[19:46] <Guma> tmux new-session -s "session_name" "some command to execute". That works but I have to do dispatch manually. Is there a way to automatically dispatch and leave it running?
[20:00] <kinghat> i usually do an ll for directory listing. how would you grep that for a certain string?
[20:01] <kinghat> like ll | grep sometext?
[20:01] <BlueEagle> kinghat: Did you try it?
[20:03] <kinghat> ah whoops it works. i had a typo
[20:04] <BlueEagle> kinghat: Glad I could help.
[20:04] <kinghat> 😂
[20:41] <zteam> Hi, I'm trying to mount an encrypted luks volume in Nautilus, it asks for the password to decrypt the volume, but after I entering it, the volume just dissappear from Nautilus. The volume itself can easily be read from a liveusb, checkding dmesg doesn't bring me any clues either, any advice?
[21:32] <Aavar_> If I have two existing raid1 arrays. Is it simple to combine them into a raid10 array?
[21:35] <BlueEagle> Aavar_: Simplest way is to back up all data, create the raid 10 array and restore the data to that. In any case you want to back up your data before re-structuring a raid array in case something goes wrong.
[21:38] <Aavar_> BlueEagle: I do have offsite backups so I would rather not use them... I have an existing raid1 array and would like to add two more drives. Is it possible to create a raid10 array with two drives, copy the data from the existing raid1 array and then add the new drives to the raid 10 array?
[21:40] <vlm> I noticed when trying to make mygroup in /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/ i need to be root,is that the same reason maybe when using lxc-cgroup on unprivileged containers its not working?
[21:50] <Rexodus> Does anyone know if a awus036ach can do 30dBm? Tried a lot. Country to BO and GY. No luck so far. I specially bought this thing because I heard it could do even 33 dBm. But I'm not so sure anymore... it's stuck to 20 dBm and don't want to move in any direction. Even sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off gives an error: Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not
[21:50] <Rexodus> permitted. Lots of people report this problem but no solution worked for me...
[21:52] <jeremy31> Rexodus: That shows as wlan0?
[21:52] <Rexodus> jeremy31: Yes
[21:52] <Rexodus> Drivers are installed and working.
[21:53] <Rexodus> Even monitor and injection are working.
[21:53] <jeremy31> Not sure why power off would give a tx power error
[21:54] <jeremy31> Where did you get the driver from?
[21:55] <Rexodus> github
[21:55] <Rexodus> Need the URL?
[21:55] <jeremy31> aircrack-ng github?
[21:56] <Rexodus> https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au
[21:56] <Rexodus> Indeed
[22:01] <jeremy31> I use the rtl8814au version and it seems my tx power is fixed at 20db
[22:01] <Rexodus> Just like mine
[22:02] <Rexodus> Thanks for checking ;)
[22:02] <Rexodus> I think it is not possible to change that.
[22:03] <jeremy31> I wonder if the adapter needs to be down to change power, I can't lower it either, but no errors in terminal
[22:07] <Rexodus> Even if down, I can't change a thing.
[22:07] <Rexodus> Countrycode is BO at the moment. So that's working fine too.
[22:07] <Rexodus> I have no clue why it doesn't want to change.
[22:09] <jayjo> where should I place the new autoinstall scripts for ubuntu (https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart) the quickstart shows how to use an additional volume, but how would I go about adding the autoinstall file (not preseed) to the iso, or if I'm manually adjusting a usb stick?
[22:09] <jeremy31> Might have to raise an issue on github
[22:10] <Rexodus> jeremy31: I even checked some data-sheets but them never talk about rf power. Your chip neither.
[22:12] <Rexodus> And to be clear, I never succeded to raise the power. I have a Atheros too. 9071 or something like that.
[22:12] <Rexodus> Should bring 1 Watt.
[22:12] <Rexodus> Thet never happend...
[22:13] <jbski> hey everyone, long time freebsd user, new to ubuntu. -- i have a new laptop, lenovo e14 thinkpad, running ubuntu 20.04, wifi was working perfectly and all of a sudden the wifi disconnected, couldnt get it to reconnect, rebooted and now it says "no wifi adapter found"
[22:13] <jeremy31> Rexodus: I am pretty sure the Atheros has to be DOWN to make changes and will error when trying to set power off
[22:13] <jbski> its hard for me to think its a hardware issue, its a brand new laptop, 2 weeks old
[22:13] <jbski> any ideas?
[22:14] <jeremy31> Rexodus: did you try the rtl8812au-dkms from the repos?
[22:15] <Rexodus> Yes, but if I remember correctly, injection is not working. Monitor is though.
[22:15] <jeremy31> Rexodus: OK, I know the dkms part is broken too
[22:17] <Rexodus> I guess we wait for a patch. It is not that important. I'm just irritated if I can't get somthing to work what shoukd work :P
[22:18] <jeremy31> Rexodus: I just set mine down and tried the power change and it didn't take, must be the driver as I should be able to use 30db
[22:19] <Rexodus> That gives me hope my device isn't locked...
[22:19] <Rexodus> Trying my atheros now. brb
[22:19] <jeremy31> AR9271
[22:19] <Rexodus> yes, that is the one
[22:20] <jeremy31> Likely similar to TP LInk tl wn722n
[22:23] <Rexodus> Is locked too. Must be a kernel issue.
[22:24] <Rexodus> But it gives no error.
[22:24] <Rexodus> Just doesn't do the job.
[22:25] <jeremy31> Rexodus: check in terminal>  iw reg get
[22:25] <Rexodus> Is on BO
[22:26] <Rexodus> Tried GY also.
[22:26] <Rexodus> No luck.
[22:26] <jeremy31> Rexodus: atheros devices might have a region code in eeprom that locks them down
[22:27] <Rexodus> Yeah, heard of that before.
[22:27] <Rexodus> And there is no way around that afaik.
[22:28] <Rexodus> I ordered the AR in the USA. Maybe they locked it for me...
[22:30] <jeremy31> US on 2.4 allows 30db
[22:32] <Rexodus> In that case I locked it myself. I'll ask the coder of the driver if there is a solution. If you are still here by the time I get an answer, you'll be the first to know.
[22:36] <jeremy31> I cant seem to change it on my atheros either
[22:36] <gueriLLaPunK> how do i download something from a site that says "download will start in 5,4,3,2,1" but the url doesn't end in a filename? via terminal
[22:36] <gueriLLaPunK> e.g. https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/modpacks/roguelike-adventures-and-dungeons/download/3133947/file
[22:37] <gueriLLaPunK> i tried wget -O (url) but it doesnt work and i dont know what to google to find the answer
[22:38] <Razathorn> gueriLLaPunK: You have to figure out where it's redirecting you to.  Easiest way is to enable developer console in your browser and look at the URLs it tries to send you to
[22:38] <gueriLLaPunK> ooooh good idea
[22:40] <gueriLLaPunK> ok i inspect element of the 'download here' and its the same url as before
[22:41] <gueriLLaPunK> oh i found it under network
[22:41] <gueriLLaPunK> thanks Razathorn
[22:44] <Razathorn> NP gueriLLaPunK.  Good to hear it worked.  Now, if it doesn't work with WGET you may need to include headers or referrer info and or cookies, depending on what they did.
[22:50] <faLUCE> hello. I just upgraded my ubuntu, and now wine seems to run with 32 attributes... what can I do?
[22:52] <oerheks> wine 32 bits?
[22:53] <oerheks> that is what you want, no?
[22:53] <faLUCE> oerheks: no
[22:53] <faLUCE> oerheks: I think I have to install wine64 too
[22:53] <faLUCE> let me try
[22:53] <oerheks> wina as snap perhaps?
[22:54] <faLUCE> apt-get
[22:55] <destinydriven> Hey guys, since updating to ubuntu server 20.04 I've been getting seg faults causing nginx to fail.   I traced it down to this issue caused by libnginx-mod-http-perl : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/+bug/1897561
[22:55] <destinydriven> My question is I'm not sure if I really need this module and what is the safest way of disabling it.  Can I move the module file from modules-enabled to modules-available and see if that breaks anything?
[22:57] <oerheks> destinydriven, last comment i think, remove the symbol link .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/+bug/1897561/comments/5
[22:58] <oerheks> faLUCE, it you had archtecture i386 enabled before upgrade, it would install wine 32 bit too, i think
[22:58] <destinydriven> oerheks, thing is, I don't have anything currently in modules-available so I don't think there is a sym link
[22:58] <oerheks> basicly all software are 32 bits, that is why.
[22:59] <faLUCE> oerheks: yeah, apt just warned me about that
[23:16] <Rexodus> jeremy31: According to 'sudo iw list | grep dBm' our devices are capable for 30 dBm on 5 GHz only. 2.4 is locked to 20 dBm. Correct me if I read that wrong.
[23:20] <jeremy31> Rexodus: Looks that way but the iw reg get shows I should be able to transmit at 30dbm
[23:21] <gueriLLaPunK> Razathorn, good thing i didn'tr need the headers or referrer (not like i would know how to do it lol) but again appreciate the tip :) take care my dude
[23:22] <Rexodus> (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20), (N/A) (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (N/A, 30), (0 ms), DFS (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (N/A, 30), (N/A)
[23:23] <Rexodus> jeremy31: Looks like you have more power ;)
[23:28] <jeremy31> Rexodus: (2400 - 2472 @ 40), (N/A, 30), (N/A) less channels
[23:39] <Rexodus> jeremy31: I discovered that BO is not working. I have to use GY. My guess, there is something changed with the BO laws...
[23:40] <jeremy31> Either that or it checks other settings before applying the regdomain
[23:41] <Rexodus> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not permitted.
[23:43] <jeremy31> Rexodus: did you bypass the predictable network interface naming?
[23:51] <Rexodus> jeremy31: ehhh?
[23:52] <jeremy31> Rexodus: A USB wifi device in Ubuntu will have a name like wlx followed by the MAC address by default, not wlan0
[23:53] <Rexodus> jeremy31: Rexodus: did you bypass the predictable network interface naming? < No
[23:53] <Rexodus> Not that I'm aware of anyway.
[23:54] <jeremy31> Rexodus: are you using Ubuntu?
[23:54] <Rexodus> Ehhhh...:P
[23:54] <Rexodus> No.
[23:55] <Rexodus> But Debian is debian, right? :P
[23:56] <Rexodus> Anyway, this is not distro related. Everyone has problems with this.
[23:56] <Rexodus> Tried this on Ubuntu several times. But thats a couple of years ago.
[23:56] <Rexodus> Same problems as now.
[23:58] <jeremy31> Rexodus: Might want to try asking at linuxquestions.com they have users from multiple distros and this issue might be from upstream of Ubuntu
[23:59] <Rexodus> Domain is for sale!
[23:59] <Rexodus> No kidding!
[23:59] <jeremy31> whoops linuxquestions.org