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[02:55] <samthewildone> have an issue with default user profiles. I made an edit to the "~/.profile" file and when I source the file, it works within current terminal session. When I go for a reboot or reopen another terminal session, it seems that the "~/.profile" edits don't work.
[02:56] <samthewildone> I did the same for the "/etc/profile" file, no luck. I'm just adding " set -o vi " into those files, if that helps.
[03:02] <sarnold> samthewildone: my first guess is you're starting interactive but not login shells, and hitting "When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc and  ~/.bashrc"
[03:03] <sarnold> samthewildone: my second guess is that if these are interactive login shells, you may be hitting "After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and  executes commands from the first one that exists and is readable."
[03:16] <samthewildone> brb
[03:22] <samthewildone> sarnold, thank you. I edited the /etc/bash.bashrc file and did a hard reboot. Looks good.
[03:23] <sarnold> samthewildone: excellent :)
[03:24] <sarnold> samthewildone: I hate the bash rc file mess soooooo much. I understand how we got to this point, but it's just *so* complicated
[03:26] <benjo11111> Hi, i m facing problem with my dock station which has displaylink drvier and ubuntu 20.04
[03:26] <benjo11111> it is very slow when i type something and it comes to my external displays
[03:32] <sarnold> pity benjo11111 is gone already
[03:32] <sarnold> I've heard displaylink is garbage
[03:33] <sarnold> it burns most of a CPU core and is horribly slow, exactly as he described
[04:47] <devilnull> hi peeps- as a rule should i use dist-upgrade (because it will take care of source lists and upgrade my system) ;assuming i ran sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade, no need for running of apt autoclean or autoremove?
[04:49] <devilnull> its my understanding that apt-get has been depreciated in the way ifconfig has been replaced by ip or logs by journalctrls
[04:50] <devilnull> now apt takes precidence for most end users i assume-can anyone correct me or provide caveats please
[04:51] <Bashing-om> devilnull: Well - dist-upgrade has also been replaced by full-upgrade. In some instances where upgrade is inconsistent - the problem resolver in full-upgrade can be of value.
[04:53] <devilnull> cheers will read more
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[05:14] <absurdist> is there a way to activate loopback devices before bcache?
[05:23] <rahvin> Hey all, I'm trying to install chromium via a beta PPA for hardware acceleration, but it seems ubuntu insists on useing the snap.  I removed the snap and apt install and it lists the one from the PPA as installed. But when I "chromium-browser" in terminal it says "/usr/bin/chromium-browser' requires the chromium snap to be installed" And find turns up nothing for chromium except for ~/.snap etc... Any
[05:23] <rahvin> ideas how I can use the PPA? What am I missing?
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[07:42] <chalcedony> my husband has 20.04. we have been having problems with it intermittently crashing. tonight, it crashed while he was trying to open libre office, so i had him restart it, it crashed again while he was in gedit. and now, it crashed when i only had a terminal open. i can't keep it going long enough to do much at all.
[07:44] <ThinkT510> what exactly do you mean by crash? was the entire system unresponsive and you had to hard reset?
[07:46] <chalcedony> yes
[07:46] <chalcedony> ThinkT510, repeatedly
[07:47] <ThinkT510> if it seems to happen randomly then it would be worth checking the memory
[07:48] <chalcedony> memtest?
[07:48] <ThinkT510> yes
[07:48] <chalcedony> is that the command?
[07:49] <ThinkT510> you'd select it at the grub screen instead of booting the system
[07:50] <chalcedony> oh ok
[07:51] <ThinkT510> do you know how much RAM you have and how old it is?
[07:52] <chalcedony> its not particularly old
[08:26] <mcphail> chalcedony: any time this has happened to me it has been a failing hard drive. Make sure to check those, too. And make sure all the cables and power cables are properly seated if you are using a desktop machine. While you're in there, check the fans are spinning
[08:31] <chalcedony> mcphail, this is kind of an ongoing thing. and this is the new hard drive. the crashing followed his old hard drive through three different coputers.
[08:31] <chalcedony> he's back with the ryzen 5
[08:33] <chalcedony> something he does or is doing seems to set this off.
[08:35] <chalcedony> when i'm there i can see what is on the surface, but he does his own stuff.
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[08:38] <ThinkT510> I'm not too sure how logging works on systemd but maybe there is a previous boot log you could check that might shed more light on what happened.
[08:39] <tenaglia> hi all
[08:40] <chalcedony> hi tenaglia
[08:42] <tenaglia> I can see that on Ubuntu 20.04 client-side TLS 1.0 is not supported. Now, I would need a way to enable it since I need to connect to a TLSv1 host. No I cannot change the host. I know for Fedora there is the concept of using "update-crypto-policies" to create a custom policy allowing client-side TLS 1.0. Is there something equivalent for Ubuntu?
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[09:58] <Seveas> tenaglia: that depends on the application you're trying to use to access the remote host
[10:01] <Seveas> e.g. in firefox you can set security.tls.version.min and security.tls.version.enable-deprecated
[10:12] <Legousk> Hello All, is there somebody here who could help me with scheduling some tasks on crontab? I would like to use the build in desktop notifications with the notify-send command via a shell program. I made a very simple program that works when I execute it myself via the terminal (I get a notification at the top of my screen), but it does not work via Crontab, I do not get message. Is there something extra that I need to add to the crontab
[10:12] <Legousk> command that I am not seeing?
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[10:39] <tenaglia> Seveas: but this is overridden by the global system openssl settings I believe
[10:40] <doubleqp> hey all, how can I ensure that LAN devices remain accessible once the killswitch through iptables has been enabled? I use the following killswitch: https://pastebin.com/rtPEEBsV (PostUp & PreDown)
[10:41] <phiona> hi, i was the one who asked memory earlier this year. the technician said i have a bad memory slot. can you say if this is true from this info?? is CHAN A DIMM 0 be the one hes talking about?
[10:41] <phiona> if its true that i have a bad memory slot, do you think i can still max the memory to 6GB? i only have 2GB at the moment and i would like to be 64 bit.
[10:41] <phiona> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BmsQS8nSSh/
[10:49] <Kurozen> Hello
[10:53] <Kurozen> I made Ubuntu 20.04 LTS bootable usb with Universal USB Installer, it won't boot, tho the USB is a bit showing signs of failing but it should boot into Main Menu
[10:54] <Kurozen> Shows up as USB Storage, I'll recreate, but instead of using Universal USB Instaler for windows, I want to do it through linux right here
[10:57] <Kurozen> Firefox reports invalid certificate for this mirror https://si.mirror.kumi.systems/ubuntureleases/20.04.1/ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:04] <Seveas> tenaglia: there's no such thing as "global system openssl settings"
[11:04] <Seveas> also, firefox doesn't even use openssl :)
[11:05] <Seveas> Kurozen: then don't use tht mirror
[11:06] <Kurozen> That's the mirror that official ubuntu site provides
[11:06] <Kurozen> Downloard Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS ->
[11:07] <Seveas> hmm, that's no good.
[11:08] <Maik> offtopic: wow Seveas , that has been ages :)
[11:09] <Seveas> Kurozen: https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04.1/ should work better while they're fixing that mirror
[11:11] <Kurozen> Seveas: Austria - Kumi systems https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirror.kumi.systems-release
[11:11] <Kurozen> It still was able to download tho, just ignoring the error and continuing
[11:12] <Seveas> I bet it'll drop out of the mirror list in an hour (last verified 23 hours ago)
[11:12] <Seveas> oh, they actually fixed the cert already
[11:12] <Kurozen> I wanted to see if it boots at all, into an very old Pentium 4 PC, without LAN or anything, so if the image's tampered it won't hit anything
[11:14] <Seveas> depends on the type of pentium 4. The older ones are 32 bit
[11:14] <Kurozen> Heh ok, I restarted Firefox, redownload, it picked the same again, no cert error now.
[11:14] <Seveas> "The first Pentium 4-branded processor to implement 64-bit was the Prescott (90 nm) (February 2004), but this feature was not enabled. Intel subsequently began selling 64-bit Pentium 4s using the "E0" revision of the Prescotts, being sold on the OEM market as the Pentium 4, model F. The E0 revision also adds eXecute Disable (XD) (Intel's name for the NX bit) to Intel 64. Intel's official launch of Intel 64
[11:15] <Seveas> (under the name EM64T at that time) in mainstream desktop processors was the N0 stepping Prescott-2M."
[11:15] <Kurozen> Oh yeah I was wondering if it's too old, it's just an old PC that wee need to salvage, it's IDE so I can't put HDD in another PC to save  family data/files/pictures
[11:15] <Kurozen> I don't have an IDE adapter and no I'm not liking the idea to buy one for this one occasion, it's probably like 30 dollar plus,
[11:16] <Seveas> if this doesn't work, try an older release that has a 32 bit version
[11:17] <Seveas> This one perhaps: https://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ubuntu-12.04.5-desktop-i386.iso
[11:17] <Kurozen> QDI Platinix 2PE/800 on what looks like southbridge
[11:18] <Kurozen> 2003-ish by the dates on the PhoenixAward BIOS
[11:19] <Seveas> so not 64 bit
[11:21] <Kurozen> Yeah I see i386 at the bottome there you're right
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[11:23] <Kurozen> P6I845PE
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[11:23] <Kurozen> Tho, what kind of USB boot option would I need, i did try all three except USB-CDROM
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[11:24] <Kurozen> I remember once ZIP worked, not HDD but don't remmeber.
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[11:24] <Kurozen> Or perhaps it just has to be x32 to even boot
[11:25] <Seveas> yeah, your 20.04 iso is no good
[11:27] <TJ-> Kurozen: USB HDD mode should work with the ISO - it implies a BIOS/MBR on the boot device which the hybrid ISO images have
[11:28] <Kurozen> I set USB-ZIP first boot device, USB-HDD second, USB-CDROM third now, still won't boot, (i made the image with Ubuntu Startup Disk on the i386 link 12.04.5)
[11:29] <Kurozen> It detects the USB fine, fresh new Sandisk USB3 Ultra ... perhaps it has to be USB2 lol?
[11:29] <ThinkT510> 12.04 hasn't been supported for years, the oldest supported version is 16.04
[11:29] <Kurozen> Goes past BIOS, Updating DMI, USB Storage Device: Ultra USB 3.0
[11:30] <Kurozen> I'll keep trying ...
[11:42] <Kurozen> Seveas: actually it says  ... -i845- ...
[11:43] <Kurozen> If that makes any difference, it's not like it's suddenly non-desktop, it is an office PC from all the looks
[11:43] <Kurozen> I thought it said i386
[11:53] <TJ-> Kurozen: the target PC is i386? I'm confused by your report of "USB Storage Device: Ultra USB 3.0" --- is that a USB host controller or simply the 'product' name of the USB storage key with the installer on it?
[11:54] <guiverc> 18.04 flavors worked on pentium 4, pentium M PCs from 2003 onwards.. Lubuntu 18.04, Xubuntu 18.04 etc were tested... (early pentium M require forcepae), however 12.04 is off-topic here due it being EOL/ESM
[11:57] <TJ-> Kurozen: I know of PC BIOSes with bugs in them that do not correctly inform the boot-loader of which device they've started from and cause a hang after the MBR is read; but that'd give you a hanging flashing cursor usually so it sounds like the BIOS is not seeing on the USB the clues it expects in order to try booting (an MBR with one partition marked as active)
[12:08] <Helenah> Where do I get LuaIRC from for Ubuntu?
[12:13] <Maik> Helenah: i guess nowhere
[12:17] <Kurozen> TJ-: Yes the USB Storage Device: Ultra USB 3.0 is the product name, it' stads for Sandisk Ultra Flair USB 3 flash drive
[12:17] <Kurozen> It never said anything other than BOOT DISK FAILURE. PLEASE INSERT BOOT DEVICE AND PRESS ENTER
[12:18] <TJ-> Kurozen: OK - I thought somehow you'd got a USB3 controller on there (in which case I'd not expect the BIOS to know how to boot from such)
[12:18] <Kurozen> Nope, it could be USB 1.0 even, IDK yet
[12:18] <TJ-> Kurozen: yes; that points to either 1) the USB device not actually being tried or 2) not recognising an MBR partition table with one partition flagged as active.
[12:19] <TJ-> Kurozen: you can test (2) easily on another system with "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdX" where X is the USB device - one partition should have a '*' boot/active flag against it
[12:19] <Kurozen> Right, I guess I need to use another utility to make it, I only been trying with Ubuntu 12 i386 with Ubuntu Startup Disk Maker
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[12:21] <Kurozen> TJ-: sdb1 type hidden HPFS/NTFS ... wth?
[12:22] <Kurozen> Shouldn't it be FAT32 ?
[12:22] <Kurozen> Boot *
[12:23] <TJ-> Kurozen: no
[12:23] <Kurozen> There's only one partition
[12:23] <TJ-> Kurozen: These hybrid images are ISO9660 with a GPT and MBR inserted
[12:25] <Kurozen> I guess I need to try another distro then
[12:28] <tenaglia> search_social: OK thanks.
[12:28] <tenaglia> whoops
[12:28] <tenaglia> Seveas: OK thanks.
[12:28] <tenaglia> cheers
[12:32] <frannk> ;c
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:37] <N3bulaK> Good morning
[12:37] <N3bulaK> I have manually switch to HDMI sound from the settings on every reboot? wondering if someone can help please?
[12:44] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: maybe it's not saving the settings? how's your home dir permissions, "sudo find ~ ! -user $USER"
[12:45] <Maik> N3bulaK: on Ubuntu or another flavor and which version?
[12:46] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: giving me this error "find: missing argument to `-user'"
[12:46] <N3bulaK> Maik: OS: Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS x86_64
[12:47] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: try sudo find /home/<your user> ! -user <your user>
[12:47] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: let me try this
[12:48] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: no output has been shown :S
[12:48] <EriC^^> aha, permissions are good then
[12:49] <N3bulaK> oh ok
[12:49] <N3bulaK> did ask me for the pass to access sudo
[12:50] <EriC^^> yup that's normal
[12:50] <N3bulaK> ah get it!
[12:51] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: as a work around you could probably write a script that switches for you when the desktop loads, just a thought
[12:52] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: ok :(
[12:52] <N3bulaK> I am using my TV as a monitor
[12:53] <EriC^^> i see
[12:53] <locsmif_work> N3bulaK: I run and disown a script from startup
[12:53] <locsmif_work> N3bulaK: in my case I'm dealing with a 4K monitor that won't turn back on after locking the screen, due to dpms
[12:54] <locsmif_work> And by "startup", I mean Unity autostart
[12:54] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: what does 'xrandr -q' give you?
[12:54] <locsmif_work> The script only activates the first time I lock the screen. Maybe you can achieve something similar
[12:54] <N3bulaK> locsmif_work: oh ok
[12:54] <locsmif_work> N3bulaK: except you probably don't have to wait for a screen lock
[12:55] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: I can see loads of resolution options
[12:55] <N3bulaK> locsmif_work: perhaps
[12:55] <locsmif_work> N3bulaK: it's a horrible, ugly hack/fix, but it could be your last resort if there are no other ideas here
[12:56] <locsmif_work> Obviously neither my nor your problem should happen in the first place.
[12:56] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: can you run 'xrandr -q | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link it gives you here?
[12:57] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: sure
[12:58] <N3bulaK> https://termbin.com/82c8
[13:01] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: what happens if you run "xrandr --output DP-1 --auto; xrandr --output HDMI-1 off" does it switch to laptop display?
[13:04] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: I have a desktop machine connected to a TV?
[13:04] <EriC^^> oh
[13:05] <N3bulaK> :)
[13:07] <locsmif_work> N3bulaK: maybe you should be heading in this direction: https://askubuntu.com/questions/14077/how-can-i-change-the-default-audio-device-from-command-line, because it sounds like you might have to file a bug report
[13:07] <locsmif_work> Soembody correct me if I'm wrong, obviously
[13:07] <N3bulaK> locsmif_work: oh that would be great
[13:07] <N3bulaK> how would I file a bug report?
[13:08] <locsmif_work> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/report-ubuntu-bug.html.en
[13:09] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: what happens if you try 'xrandr --output HDMI-1 --off; sleep 2; xrandr --output HDMI-1 --auto'
[13:10] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: let me give it a go
[13:11] <N3bulaK> looks like something happened, screen went blank for a second and then came back to normal :S
[13:11] <N3bulaK> I can hear the sound coming out of HDMI still
[13:14] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: great
[13:15] <EriC^^> not sure what you mean about the hdmi though, you mean when it went blank it still gave sound?
[13:15] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: no
[13:15] <N3bulaK> after it came back on, then I heard the sound again
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[13:17] <N3bulaK> Also I have to manually select the HDMI output in sound settings If I use a bluetooth headphones and disconnect it
[13:19] <EriC^^> i see, same here with the sound settings if i connect hdmi and remove have to select normal one again
[13:20] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: if you add the line 'xrandr --output HDMI-1 --auto'  to your startup apps it should switch automatically when you login
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[14:02] <N3bulaK> EriC^^: that is great! I will try that
[14:03] <N3bulaK> many thanks for your help
[14:05] <EriC^^> N3bulaK: no problem
[15:37] <munio> Hi guys! How to install Java web browser plugin in U20.04? all howto-s are for older Linux versions
[15:42] <ThinkT510> isn't it just a plugin for chromium or firefox?
[15:43] <rory> Java doesn't work in modern Chrome
[15:44] <freebench> ho ho ho
[15:44] <freebench> how to install ubuntu desktop with no gui ?
[15:45] <munio> ThinkT510: there is no plugin in Add-on menu... I have already installed Java - openjdk
[15:46] <munio> freebench: why? It is very similar to useit as server
[15:47] <coconut> I have a message with upgrading packages from apt: "The following packages have been kept back". How do i fix that?
[15:47] <freebench> munio, I see. thought there are the diffs
[15:47] <rory> coconut, you yourself froze a package version yesterday
[15:48] <coconut> rory, correct but i did unhold it later
[15:48] <ThinkT510> munio: what awful website requires you to use java?
[15:48] <rory> OK worth checking :P coconut there's not necessarily anything that needs fixing
[15:48] <rory> If the dependencies have changed on one of the packages you have installed so that a new package must be installed to perform the upgrade then that will be listed as "kept-back".
[15:49] <rory> you can run "sudo apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade" and it will install the kept-back packages.
[15:49] <munio> ThinkT510: VPS management to run VNC console :/
[15:49] <rory> or you can simply apt install each one
[15:50] <ThinkT510> munio: i take it you are stuck with a certain provider?
[15:50] <rory> coconut, modern browsers don't support Java plugin any more, and it isn't even included with the Java download from Oracle these days, BUT...
[15:50] <rory> munio, not coconut ^
[15:51] <rory> see here, there is a Firefox fork which supports it: https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-is-there-any-web-browser-with-npapi-plugins-support/
[15:52] <coconut> rory, i tried "sudo apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade" but that says to keep holding back packages too. :)
[15:52] <rory> does "apt full-upgrade" install them where "apt upgrade" would not?
[15:53] <coconut> lemme try
[15:53] <rory> You can always "apt install package1 package2 package3..."
[15:53] <rory> I have to leave
[15:53]  * rory out
[15:53] <munio> rory: I understand that... but sh*t happens
[15:53] <coconut> thanks rory
[15:55] <coconut> rory, now it says to remove install and upgrade at the same time, so i guess full-upgrade will fix it. :)
[15:56] <GhostOfSamurai> coconut, rory's suggestion to explicitly install the held-back packages should work for you
[15:56] <GhostOfSamurai> i run into this periodically too, it's frustrating
[15:56] <lambdaguy101> so my friend switched to the nvidia driver 455, but he's getting bad performance. when going into neofetch, it shows 2 gpus: intel uhd graphics and geforce gtx mx150. by default it uses intel uhd graphics. when opening nvidia x server settings, it shows PRIME something. by default it selects NVIDIA (performance mode) but all he can do is choose one
[15:56] <lambdaguy101> of three options, or quit the app.
[15:57] <coconut> GhostOfSamurai, ok thanks but what it the reason for this happening?
[15:58] <GhostOfSamurai> i think it's either a package has a new dependency or an old one would be removed, but i think it's the former. the latter would be addressed with dist-upgrade instead
[15:59] <GhostOfSamurai> one sec
[16:00] <GhostOfSamurai> yep, it's the former. from debian-administration.org: "If the dependencies have changed on one of the packages you have installed so that a new package must be installed to perform the upgrade then that will be listed as "kept-back"."
[16:00] <GhostOfSamurai> basically, it's being safe about installing new packages with your consent. i think this could be better communicated in the output though
[16:02] <GhostOfSamurai> that said... not sure why the --with-new-pkgs flag didn't work for you
[16:02] <coconut> GhostOfSamurai, just did a full-upgrade, i think it worked, let me reboot first
[16:03] <coconut> brb
[16:03] <GhostOfSamurai> famous last words
[16:06] <coconut> Yeah it did work fine. :) thanks for the help
[16:08] <GhostOfSamurai> no problem
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[16:09] <GhostOfSamurai> you want to be careful with dist-upgrade and full-upgrade
[16:09] <GhostOfSamurai> since they remove package dependencies that are no longer required (i think they respect the manually installed flag though, not 100% on that)
[16:12] <coconut> thanks, still learning
[16:12] <GhostOfSamurai> it's all good. i've shot myself in the foot enough times with dist-upgrade lol
[16:14] <coconut> my terminal does not auto tab on the second word used, anything i can look at?
[16:24] <hofer> coconut, give us an example
[16:25] <coconut> hofer, sudo apt auto does not autocomplete to sudo apt autoremove ## when i tab it in my terminal
[16:26] <coconut> only the first word does
[16:26] <coconut> sudo in this case
[16:26] <coconut> it's a feature i really like to be honest
[16:27] <hofer> i had to tab twice for it to work
[16:28] <coconut> no that does not improve :)
[16:28] <xtao> speaking of autoremove, does anyone know if that does the same as "remove" or "purge". and if you want it to purge is that possible? man page doesn't look like it has a --purge or anything
[16:33] <EriC^^> xtao: autoremove removes the left over packages, if you want it to purge the configs too you have to use apt-get autoremove --purge
[16:34] <iamtheworstdev> is it common to break Windows Update when you install/dual boot ubuntu
[16:34] <xtao> does --purge work with "apt autoremove" or only "apt-get autoremove". as i see it in the man page for apt-get, but not apt
[16:35] <EriC^^> iamtheworstdev: no
[16:35] <EriC^^> xtao: i'd guess for both
[16:35] <xtao> ok. i use apt normally, so that's why i was wondering. should i maybe use apt-get instead to run that command. thanks
[16:35] <EriC^^> dpkg -l | grep ^rc   should show packages that still have their configs if you want to be certain
[16:36] <EriC^^> no problem
[17:28] <agile_prg> is there a way to tell if the screen is locked from the command line?
[17:31] <woenx> Hi. Maybe someone can give me some advice. I have now four laptops at home, all of them are used by family members.
[17:31] <woenx> changing the password for all of them is getting quite boring.
[17:31] <woenx> Would it be possible to sync the passwords from a central location, and "send" them to each laptop, so each laptop has the same users with the same passwords?
[17:32] <woenx> I was thinking of syncing the /etc/passwd /etc/shadow, etc. files from a NAS using rsync or scp to the laptops (at startup, or every x minutes)
[17:32] <woenx> is this a good idea? I don't want to install a whole domain controller for a domestic environment.
[17:33] <woenx> would that end in disaster?
[18:05] <johnny9973> hey all, I'm trying to "join" my microphone and my computer audio into a single audio stream that can be used in a voicecall. how do I do that? I appreciate any help
[18:18] <ioria> coconut, apt auto + tab does not autocomplete to 'autoremove' because there are 3 options with 'auto' : autoclean   autopurge   autoremove ; so you need at least another letter  e.g.: 'apt autor '
[18:20] <coconut> ioria, no that does not work either. It's weird because it always has been working for me. And i removed afaik all config files from my home partition too before reinstalling ubuntu-mate. So i am lost for why this is happening. Thanks for help already :)
[18:21] <ioria> coconut, then it's your .bashrc the problem
[18:22] <coconut> ioria, that file is normaly in ~ right? I cannot find it there.
[18:22] <ioria> coconut, yes, but it's hidden (use ll or ls -al
[18:23] <coconut> yeah, aware of that but the file does not exist.
[18:24] <coconut> ioria, is it possible that this has something todo with that i removed all config files from my home before i reinstalled ubuntu?
[18:25] <coconut> so that it listened to that one way or another ?
[18:25] <coconut> it was installed from the same usb thumb again with the same iso
[18:25] <ioria> coconut,  you should have a backup file in /etc/skel
[18:26] <coconut> so the install media has been working before
[18:26] <coconut> ok, will check that
[18:26] <coconut> oh, loving you
[18:29] <coconut> brb
[18:31] <coconut> yeah that did help ioria,thanks :)
[18:31] <ioria> coconut,  no problem
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> ioria: here's a headbreaker for you :p bug #1907984
[18:32] <ubottu> bug 1907984 in linux (Ubuntu) "Wifi and ethernet not working anymore since 5.4.0-54" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1907984
[18:32] <ioria> lotuspsychje, sounds bad
[18:33] <naribia> I recently configured LAMP, and it was working just fine on localhost
[18:34] <naribia> idk what happened, maybe after restart, I now get "Connection failed: No route to host" at http://localhost
[18:34] <ioria> lotuspsychje, if it works on Lubuntu , the problem it's not the kernel, maybe some gnome settings
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> ioria: yeah, but the weird part is on kernel 5.
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> 5.4.0-42 it works like a charm on gnome
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> and i can reproduce this on a fresh -desktop too
[18:35] <ioria> i see
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> default iso it works all, the update to -58 networking borked
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> weird heh
[18:37] <ioria> lotuspsychje, 20.04 has an edge kernel version in the repository :5.8.0.33.36~20.04.19 ; you might try it
[18:38] <ioria> !info inux-generic-hwe-20.04-edge
[18:38] <ubottu> linux-generic-hwe-20.04-edge (source: linux-meta-hwe-5.8): Complete Generic Linux kernel and headers. In component main, is optional. Version 5.8.0.33.36~20.04.19 (focal), package size 1 kB, installed size 18 kB
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> good idea ioria this is a customers laptop, when ssd arrives for upgrade, gonna try -desktop again
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> just trying to find the logic in all this, a kernel version cant bork gnome right?
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[18:58] <mmance> anyone here use multipass on debian buster?
[18:58] <EriC^^> mmance: /join #debian
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[19:58] <iamtheworstdev> if I'm starting from scratch... going to dual boot win10 + ubuntu and want it all uefi.. is it best to start with one OS before the other?
[20:01] <leftyfb> iamtheworstdev: here's the way I look at it. It either doesn't matter or it does. If it does matter, I would do Windows first and then Ubuntu. If it doesn't matter, then still do the same order just in case.
[20:02] <iamtheworstdev> lol
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[20:05] <sarnold> iamtheworstdev: I have no idea if it matters which order you use, but historically windows has never done multiboot well, but linux has always had to contend with multiboot; I'd install ubuntu second
[20:26] <jayjo> is there a way to take an lvm snapshot and periodically do a diff with my actual system? or specific partitions? I'm hoping to snapshot a relatively "fresh" install and check things every month or so for irregularities
[20:28] <leftyfb> jayjo: https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-and-configure-tripwire-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[20:29] <ennozdd> hello I just downloaded ubuntu mate but there is red dots all over the place after it boots, I can't click anything or do. I can open up console, when I try to go back, desktop doesn't respond
[20:32] <ennozdd> it's something like this https://askubuntu.com/questions/653546/there-are-red-lines-on-my-screen
[20:37] <woenx> Hi. I'm trying to sync the user's password from one computer to another. Is there a safer way than just editing the hashes in /etc/shadow?
[20:38] <woenx> So, let' say, I have the hash from /etc/shadow from one user. How can I change the password for the same user in another computer without manually editing the file/
[20:39] <sarnold> woenx: the usermod(8) manpage gives a -p option that claims to do it, I've not tried it myself
[20:39] <woenx> thanks, let's see
[20:40] <woenx> Ok, time to run some tests : )
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[20:44] <woenx> chpasswd -e also seems to work
[20:47] <sarnold> woenx: oh nice
[20:49] <sarnold> woenx: chpasswd(8) mentions pam a LOT more often, that's promising; I wonder if PAM even provides an API that could be used for this, or if it only offers APIs for managing the unhashed passwords.. I just assumed it wouldn't offer an api..
[20:49] <woenx> I mean, the right thing to do would be installing a domain controller... but I just want to centralize the passwords for the 4 o 5 computers in my family
[20:50] <woenx> a domain seems overkill
[20:50] <sarnold> yeah, I wish there was something simple for that
[20:51] <woenx> I'm writing a script that will run on the nas every x minutes, trying to connect via ssh to the laptops at home, check if the password has the same hash, and  if not, update it
[20:51] <sarnold> I'm not entirely sure what it is I actually want from such a thing :) but it'd be nice if it could just do the right hting :) hehe
[20:51] <sarnold> do your users ever actually change their passwords?
[20:52] <woenx> my relatives? not as often as I wanted
[20:52] <woenx> (me included)
[20:55] <sarnold> I'm not a huge fan of the "change passwords often" idea; it protects against database dumps that include passwords weak enough to reverse, and it protects against attackers who get the password once but then never set up back doors
[20:55] <sarnold> changing passwords once in a while probably does make sense, but certainly many places take it too far :)
[20:56] <sarnold> and at home I bet a lot of people pick words like 'puppy' or their kid's name or something
[20:56] <woenx> well, I am not sure how safe would be leaving the password "house" for 3 years...
[21:04] <Seveas> hunter2
[21:04] <sarnold> woenx: probably not much worse than cycling through 'house' 'home' 'couch' 'ilikedogs' '123456' every month :)
[21:09] <zen_coder> I have added a new hard disk to my system, I would like to add this to my logical volume Can anybody help me with this?
[21:11] <coconut> Any lightdm setting for same brightness on IDLE?
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[21:32] <zen_coder> I am atm in the process of creating the partition
[21:32] <zen_coder> Disk /dev/sda: 16.0TB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
[21:32] <zen_coder> the difference between logical/physical is good?
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[22:10] <iamtheworstdev> i have an unencrypted ext4 partition, mounted as / , that I'd like to shrink.. but gparted isn't letting me resize .. thoughts on what would cause that?
[22:11] <mefistofeles> iamtheworstdev: you cannot do that while mounted
[22:11] <croraf> Hi. I have to install some printer drivers, can you help me on how to do it?
[22:11] <mefistofeles> also, defrag before that
[22:11] <croraf> https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=EN&CN2=&DSCMI=120432&DSCCHK=49ffccc8a2242dcbeddcf9f8f780425bd0517af9
[22:11] <mefistofeles> and backup :P
[22:12] <iamtheworstdev> it's a fresh install.. i thought gparted supported online resize
[22:12] <croraf> This is the drivers link, and this is my system info: 5.4.0-45-generic #49-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 26 13:38:52 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:13] <croraf> Also, I have some other drivers that come as driver.deb.tar.gz
[22:14] <croraf> I extracted using rightclick Extract here in my file explorer in ubuntu.
[22:14] <croraf> There is a install.sh script inside, and I executed it.
[22:18] <iamtheworstdev> ok.. so just installed linux (from usb).. tell uefi to boot USB so I can resize root partition.. but now it just goes to a grub prompt
[22:18] <iamtheworstdev> but this is the same media I just installed from
[22:18] <iamtheworstdev> it should be going into a live linux
[22:33] <frad> i have ubuntu 20.10 with bluetooth. If I buy a bluetooth fm transmitter for my car, I should be able to listen to music from my notebook in the car, correct?
[22:34] <sarnold> bluetooth on linux is frustrating enough that I'd probably prefer to use a wire for that
[22:35] <jeremy31> frad: in theory it should work
[22:35] <sarnold> I've got a bluetooth receiver/transmitter that I hooked up to my car's aux input, and connect to it with my android phone; that works pretty well
[22:35] <frad> android, sarnold , can you play flac files as well?
[22:36] <sarnold> frad: I've never tried flac on the phone
[22:36] <frad> what formats can you play sarnold ?
[22:39] <sarnold> frad: I only listen to youtube music (*sniff* no more google play music)
[22:40] <frad> so, m4a :D
[22:41] <sarnold> I do keep meaning to dust off my albums and re-rip them.. I did a giant ripping project around 2001 or so to ogg, does anything do ogg any more? heh
[22:41] <frad> i do
[22:42] <frad> but most of my stuff is flac
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[22:50] <frad> sarnold, are android tablet' batteries visible from the exterior? Can I change them without using a screwdriver?
[22:52] <sarnold> frad: no idea there, I always use my phone; I suspect it's very rare to change batteries in tablets at all, let alone without screwdriver
[22:56] <frad> i don't want to overpay if I need to get a new battery. Id rather do it alone
[22:58] <frad> those things are glued??
[23:01] <sarnold> yeah usually
[23:04] <frad> sarnold, do you know of any small tablet or computer, not glued, I can use to load music and play through bluetooth in my car?
[23:06] <sarnold> frad: if you're building this into the car, you could also supply power to the tablet directly from the car and not care about the battery in the thing
[23:06] <frad> ok, no battery
[23:12] <frad> sarnold, do you perchance know of any device I could plug into the car's lighter and play flac / mp3 without an android device?
[23:13] <sarnold> frad: not a single device, no; I used to have a contraption for lighter-power, rf transmitter, and it would supply power and get data from the old spinning-metal ipod.. that was cool :)
[23:16] <frad> ah, the good old days
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