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| Eickmeyer | o/ | 23:06 |
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| toddy | o/ | 23:06 |
| Eickmeyer | o/ | 23:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Hi lifeless | 23:06 |
| toddy | hi linaporras | 23:06 |
| Eickmeyer | *linaporras | 23:06 |
| Eickmeyer | mispings are awkward. | 23:06 |
| teward | i am around but thanks to the snow pulled my back and am waiting for the meds to kick in | 23:07 |
| teward | for the pain | 23:07 |
| teward | so forgive if ERR:quiet from me for a bit | 23:07 |
| linaporras | HI! | 23:07 |
| teward | jose: around? | 23:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, I'm still working too. | 23:07 |
| jose | I don't know, you tell me ;) | 23:08 |
| Eickmeyer | :P | 23:08 |
| teward | *tasers jose* | 23:08 |
| Eickmeyer | wxl: ? | 23:08 |
| Eickmeyer | nhaines: ? | 23:08 |
| wxl | yes i'm here | 23:08 |
| jose | who hasn't chaired yet and would like to | 23:09 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm not in a position to do so today, and ERR: next meeting (30th) is my 14th anniversary, so shouldn't today. | 23:09 |
| Eickmeyer | er, shouldn't then. | 23:10 |
| jose | we're probably skip the 30th meeting because festivities | 23:10 |
| teward | yep DMB is doing the same | 23:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Fair. | 23:10 |
| toddy | jose: we have no meeting at the 30th | 23:10 |
| jose | we are supposed to | 23:10 |
| jose | anyways | 23:10 |
| jose | who's chairing | 23:10 |
| teward | not it. | 23:11 |
| * Eickmeyer nominates toddy | 23:11 | |
| Eickmeyer | not it | 23:11 |
| teward | unless you can wait 10min | 23:11 |
| jose | toddy, wxl, or linaporras, who's doing it | 23:11 |
| wxl | not it | 23:11 |
| wxl | looks like it's toddy :) | 23:11 |
| toddy | Can somebody else chair? | 23:11 |
| toddy | I'm pretty beat from the day | 23:12 |
| linaporras | I am not ready for that task | 23:12 |
| wxl | oh for pete's sake | 23:13 |
| linaporras | jose can u repeat | 23:13 |
| linaporras | ? | 23:13 |
| teward | >.> | 23:13 |
| wxl | i'll do the dumb thing | 23:13 |
| teward | give me 3min. then i will fastrun the meeting if you want. and complain :P | 23:13 |
| teward | today been chaosday for me | 23:13 |
| linaporras | oki teward | 23:13 |
| wxl | #startmeeting Community Council regular meeting | 23:14 |
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| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 23:14 |
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| teward | or wxl can since they said they would | 23:14 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm ok with that. I'm not in any hurry. | 23:14 |
| wxl | #meetingtopic Old business | 23:14 |
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| wxl | oh jeez | 23:14 |
| wxl | i got to figure out how to work this thing :( | 23:14 |
| jose | just topic :) | 23:14 |
| wxl | #meeting Community Council regular meeting | 23:15 |
| wxl | ugh | 23:15 |
| wxl | #meetingtopic Community Council regular meeting | 23:15 |
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| wxl | #topic Old business | 23:15 |
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| wxl | FINALLY | 23:15 |
| wxl | ok so what old business do we have to deal with? | 23:15 |
| teward | TB stuff for one | 23:15 |
| teward | thats "in the works" - on jose and Mark atm | 23:16 |
| wxl | #subtopic Technical Board elections | 23:16 |
| jose | currently waiting on Mark to confirm the shortlist | 23:16 |
| teward | gonna make an observation tho | 23:16 |
| teward | not many people felt they were up for the task | 23:16 |
| wxl | i didn't look at the list. saw lots of recognizable names coming through. did we get enough folks? | 23:17 |
| Eickmeyer | I think we did. | 23:17 |
| jose | we did get just enough | 23:17 |
| teward | only after I put sil's name in | 23:17 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah. Honestly, I feel pretty good about the list. | 23:17 |
| teward | with their permission. I woild have tossed in my hat but jose told me to stay homr | 23:17 |
| linaporras | :) | 23:17 |
| teward | home* | 23:17 |
| jose | I feel very strongly about the list too. Just need to get Mark's confirmation. | 23:17 |
| Eickmeyer | I agree, too many hats can be problematic. | 23:17 |
| wxl | sooooo teward: elaborate— do you see some sort of problem that there were so few nominations? | 23:17 |
| wxl | i'm not surprised by it | 23:18 |
| jose | we received 4, and looked for some extra people, got that final one | 23:18 |
| teward | typing from phone patience pls | 23:18 |
| teward | one of the major concerns was "oh i am not sure i am qualified" - sil and others had that opinion privately. Other things is i think people have a misunderstanding of what the TB does or want to see it take a different direction (that was Laney's summarized opinion) | 23:19 |
| wxl | i suspect we don't have enough time to run the election to finish by end of year if we don't get the shortlist rather quick | 23:19 |
| teward | i will put together the concerns and ML them to us all | 23:20 |
| wxl | sil didn't think they were qualified????? | 23:20 |
| teward | they were on the fence. After talkling to sil they reassessed | 23:20 |
| teward | they were more unsure than not | 23:20 |
| teward | sil is one of the most qualified IMO as are the others on the list so far | 23:20 |
| teward | (brb, need an ice pack) | 23:21 |
| jose | considering it's a just a confirmation vote, voting would be open for a week, so I think we might be able to make it by EOY | 23:21 |
| wxl | well i guess that sort of cautious behavior is the sort of thing we'd want in a tb member rather than just rushing things through | 23:21 |
| teward | yup | 23:21 |
| linaporras | +1 | 23:21 |
| wxl | jose: are you planning on meeting with mark in the near future that you could bug him? | 23:21 |
| jose | right now, we're dependent on Mark's response, and he did want to get it done before the holidays | 23:21 |
| jose | I did reach out to him directly via IM :) | 23:21 |
| teward | #AIM_IS_DEAD jose ;) | 23:22 |
| jose | and I did message on Monday and again today | 23:22 |
| wxl | ok well i guess we'll just hope for the best | 23:22 |
| jose | not America On Line's, but other more modern solution | 23:22 |
| teward | wxl: if push comes to shove i'll extend existing TB through 2 weeks of Jan. until we get the meeting | 23:22 |
| teward | s/meeting/election/ | 23:23 |
| jose | I have a good feeling about this. | 23:23 |
| wxl | okie dokie | 23:23 |
| Eickmeyer | I do too. | 23:23 |
| wxl | #action teward to post to list about observations from Technical Board nominations | 23:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: teward to post to list about observations from Technical Board nominations | 23:23 |
| wxl | i suspect we're done with that | 23:23 |
| wxl | #topic Membership Board | 23:24 |
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| wxl | we've got our new membership board installed (yay) | 23:24 |
| Eickmeyer | \o/ | 23:24 |
| toddy | fine | 23:24 |
| linaporras | 👍 | 23:25 |
| wxl | i don't think there's much else to say about that but we can acknowledge our success :) | 23:25 |
| Eickmeyer | Yup. Nothing wrong with a little celebration. | 23:25 |
| toddy | :) | 23:25 |
| wxl | ok next | 23:25 |
| wxl | #topic Discourse | 23:25 |
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| Eickmeyer | Oof, discourse. :/ | 23:25 |
| wxl | yeah well we have good news | 23:25 |
| linaporras | :o :o | 23:25 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh? | 23:26 |
| wxl | that being that there are now two new subtopics in the CC category | 23:26 |
| linaporras | 🙀 | 23:26 |
| wxl | that being "Documentation" and "Meetings" | 23:26 |
| wxl | so now it should be easier to find things | 23:26 |
| toddy | looks good | 23:26 |
| Eickmeyer | Sweet. | 23:26 |
| wxl | so generally i think we have everything we were looking for there | 23:26 |
| wxl | there was one piece of documentation i thought might be better suited in our area | 23:27 |
| wxl | oh two actually | 23:27 |
| wxl | https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/governance/332 | 23:27 |
| wxl | https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/community-structure/331 | 23:27 |
| Eickmeyer | Indeed. | 23:28 |
| wxl | those are the only two things in the community subcategory of the documentation category | 23:28 |
| wxl | should i ask someone for permission before moving things? | 23:28 |
| jose | I feel like, after we wind down with restaffing, we're going to be able to put stuff in there | 23:28 |
| jose | I would say ask the owner | 23:28 |
| jose | and if you don't get a response in a couple days, move it | 23:28 |
| wxl | that would be popey | 23:28 |
| jose | and otherwise we can move it back | 23:28 |
| wxl | okie dokie | 23:29 |
| jose | just as a "politeness" thing | 23:29 |
| Bashing-om | wxl: Be aware that I do follow through on the "Meetings" report and so list in UWN. | 23:29 |
| wxl | #action wxl to ask popey if it's ok to move Community Structure & Governance posts from Documentation/Community category on Discourse to Community Council/Documentation | 23:29 |
| meetingology | ACTION: wxl to ask popey if it's ok to move Community Structure & Governance posts from Documentation/Community category on Discourse to Community Council/Documentation | 23:29 |
| wxl | Bashing-om: ok. did i say something wrong? :) | 23:30 |
| wxl | ooook | 23:30 |
| wxl | next item | 23:30 |
| wxl | #topic Local Communities Committee | 23:31 |
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| Bashing-om | wxl: No - sorry - just a comment for the use of discourse. | 23:31 |
| wxl | Bashing-om: okie thx :) | 23:31 |
| wxl | so did everyone review and/or comment on the draft for the LoCo Committee? | 23:31 |
| jose | okay, for this one, I still haven't gotten either an 'ack' from most of you, saying "I've reviewed and left my comments" | 23:31 |
| wxl | (i know i did!) | 23:31 |
| toddy | I also have did it | 23:32 |
| linaporras | Wel... I did... ;) | 23:32 |
| teward | i've read the comments and such, but not made any other than the one. every other comment was already made :P | 23:32 |
| jose | Eickmeyer? | 23:32 |
| jose | #voters wxl jose toddy linaporras teward Eickmeyer nhaines | 23:32 |
| Eickmeyer | I don't think I had. Link? | 23:32 |
| jose | #voters wxl jose toddy linaporras teward Eickmeyer nhaines | 23:32 |
| meetingology | Current voters: Eickmeyer jose linaporras nhaines teward toddy wxl | 23:32 |
| wxl | there you go | 23:33 |
| teward | #chairs teward jose wxl | 23:33 |
| teward | #chair teward jose wxl | 23:33 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: jose teward wxl | 23:33 |
| teward | so we don't need to op ;) | 23:33 |
| wxl | votes required 4? | 23:33 |
| jose | Let me get you a link. | 23:33 |
| jose | Yes but hold on | 23:33 |
| linaporras | there was a point to discuss | 23:33 |
| toddy | I think we have an open question in the draft? | 23:33 |
| toddy | There was something | 23:34 |
| jose | Eickmeyer: sent you a link via DDM | 23:34 |
| jose | not posting it here because it's still a draft and still open | 23:34 |
| jose | yes, there is something, but I want to make sure to give Eickmeyer time to skim it | 23:34 |
| jose | let's give him 3 minutes (180 secs)? | 23:34 |
| wxl | (what's ddm?) | 23:34 |
| linaporras | agree with jose | 23:34 |
| jose | DM* | 23:35 |
| wxl | ahh :) | 23:35 |
| jose | direct, direct message :) | 23:35 |
| wxl | could you send to me again so i can remind myself | 23:35 |
| wxl | ? | 23:35 |
| jose | of course. | 23:35 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, after a cursory glance, LGTM. Only question is if the question is resolved. | 23:35 |
| jose | wxl: need some time to skim it? | 23:36 |
| jose | #votesrequired 4 | 23:36 |
| meetingology | votes now need 4 to be passed | 23:36 |
| jose | giving wxl a couple more minutes before I raise my point | 23:37 |
| jose | and then after I explain and we discuss we can put it to a vote | 23:37 |
| wxl | should we answer the question that remains? | 23:37 |
| Eickmeyer | I think we should. | 23:38 |
| jose | okay, then. let me explain the question and my point of view | 23:38 |
| linaporras | Not be a Community Council member.this is the topic for dicussion | 23:38 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok. Yeah, being a CC member on this committee might have a perception of a heavy hand. | 23:38 |
| jose | Right now, there are mixed opinions on whether current Community Council members can be part of the LCRC. In my opinion, we are creating this entity to perform independent research. | 23:39 |
| jose | 1.- As Eickmeyer mentioned, it can create the perception of a heavy hand | 23:39 |
| jose | 2.- We are delegating because we have other stuff to take care of | 23:39 |
| jose | not that we don't care about this, but we do, which is why we should get other people to help us with this | 23:39 |
| jose | they will have much better bandwidth than us, with all our duties | 23:39 |
| jose | and so, perform a much more deep investigation | 23:40 |
| jose | what do y'all think? | 23:40 |
| Eickmeyer | I agree, jose. | 23:40 |
| toddy | If someone thinks they want to take part, they can do so for all I care. regardless of whether they are a cc member or not. | 23:40 |
| jose | toddy: what do you think of the points I raised above? | 23:40 |
| jose | do you agree? no? why? | 23:40 |
| toddy | I don't think that it is a heavy hand of this person if he in the commitee | 23:41 |
| linaporras | I don 't see in that way, why our participation could be seen as heavy hand... is just cooperaton. | 23:41 |
| Eickmeyer | toddy: The problem is that if other people (non-CC members) know there's a CC member on the committee, that might make a perception of being watched, or that the CC member is the actual leader of the committee and is steering it. | 23:41 |
| linaporras | and I agree with toddy | 23:41 |
| toddy | we are all grown up enough | 23:41 |
| Eickmeyer | We are, but other people on the committee might not be able to separate that psychologically. | 23:41 |
| wxl | it's not to say we can't be involved | 23:42 |
| jose | of course | 23:42 |
| jose | we can still be involved | 23:42 |
| jose | but we delegate the heavy work | 23:42 |
| toddy | and point 2. I think if somebody thing it whould be good to help and have the time. it is okay for me | 23:42 |
| jose | if we take on absolutely everything ourselves, we would have a never ending list of things | 23:42 |
| wxl | ^ that is something i constantly worry about. i already knowingly allow myself to wear too many hats as it is | 23:43 |
| linaporras | of course, but we are not saying that we are going to force everyone of us to participate | 23:43 |
| linaporras | as toddy says if someone has the time, and wants to get involved, just do it | 23:43 |
| toddy | I don't want to be in that committee but if somebody else would I feel okay with that. | 23:43 |
| jose | anyways, those were my arguments, I think that unless anyone else has anything else (different than what's already been presented), we can put this to a vote? anything else? | 23:43 |
| linaporras | no | 23:44 |
| jose | if I don't hear back in 60s I'll post the vote | 23:44 |
| wxl | let's look at it a different way: there may be some other person who has a particularly unique perspective that if one of us took their spot that they couldn't participate | 23:44 |
| wxl | yeah let's vote | 23:44 |
| jose | #vote Can current Community Council members be part of the LCRC? | 23:44 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Can current Community Council members be part of the LCRC? | 23:44 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 23:44 |
| linaporras | +1 | 23:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from linaporras | 23:44 |
| jose | -1 | 23:44 |
| meetingology | -1 received from jose | 23:44 |
| toddy | +1 | 23:45 |
| meetingology | +1 received from toddy | 23:45 |
| Eickmeyer | -1 | 23:45 |
| meetingology | -1 received from Eickmeyer | 23:45 |
| wxl | -1 | 23:45 |
| meetingology | -1 received from wxl | 23:45 |
| wxl | looks like teward and nhaines are the deciing votes | 23:45 |
| teward | looks like i got busy with my mom and dad calling | 23:46 |
| teward | -1 CC members should not sit on the LCRC. | 23:46 |
| meetingology | -1 CC members should not sit on the LCRC. received from teward | 23:46 |
| jose | nhaines? | 23:46 |
| Eickmeyer | Regardless of nhaines's vote, motion cannot pass. | 23:46 |
| toddy | than we have a result. | 23:46 |
| wxl | yep | 23:46 |
| wxl | #endvote | 23:46 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Can current Community Council members be part of the LCRC? | 23:46 |
| meetingology | Votes for:2 Votes against:4 Abstentions:0 | 23:46 |
| meetingology | Motion denied | 23:46 |
| wxl | okie dokie so with that out of the way, we can make the draft official | 23:47 |
| linaporras | yeah! | 23:47 |
| Eickmeyer | Yup. | 23:47 |
| toddy | \o/ | 23:47 |
| jose | there are still a couple things to iron out | 23:47 |
| jose | especially the number of members | 23:47 |
| linaporras | and do u think we should start recruiting for the LCRC now, or at begining of january? | 23:47 |
| toddy | asap | 23:48 |
| Eickmeyer | ^ | 23:48 |
| jose | If there is someone you know would be interested, line them up | 23:48 |
| wxl | i think ideally it should at least be 6 or more | 23:48 |
| linaporras | I think from my LoCo could be one person | 23:48 |
| linaporras | Lirrums | 23:48 |
| wxl | how about this: it would be nice to have at least one member from every region. THAT is our requirement | 23:49 |
| wxl | if there are more than that, it's ok | 23:49 |
| jose | Nominations will be formal and later on | 23:49 |
| wxl | not to exceed 12 | 23:49 |
| linaporras | wel 12 is a big number... | 23:49 |
| jose | So we good with min 6, max 12? | 23:49 |
| linaporras | I think 9 is a good big number... | 23:49 |
| toddy | jose: thats fine for me | 23:50 |
| wxl | 6-9 then | 23:50 |
| jose | min 6, max 9? | 23:50 |
| linaporras | min 5... maz 9 | 23:50 |
| wxl | but with the requirement that there is at least one member from each region | 23:50 |
| linaporras | *max | 23:50 |
| wxl | regions being: | 23:50 |
| wxl | 1. n. america | 23:50 |
| wxl | 2. s. america | 23:50 |
| wxl | 3. europe | 23:50 |
| wxl | 4. africa | 23:50 |
| wxl | 5. asia | 23:51 |
| wxl | 6. oceania | 23:51 |
| wxl | that's why i said minimum 6 | 23:51 |
| linaporras | 2. south an central america maybe? a | 23:51 |
| linaporras | and bye northe will be Canada, Us, and Mexico or ? | 23:51 |
| wxl | you know i was totally going to say that :) | 23:51 |
| linaporras | well ok, 6 is ok | 23:51 |
| linaporras | wow, I am writing horrible | 23:51 |
| linaporras | and by north america will be Canada, Us, and Mexico or ? | 23:51 |
| toddy | yes 6 is a good for min | 23:52 |
| wxl | all of the above linaporras | 23:52 |
| jose | I would take the Wikipedia definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America | 23:52 |
| wxl | right | 23:53 |
| wxl | can we say "It is essential for the committee to be composed of people from all regions" and define those 6 regions? | 23:53 |
| jose | All good with min 6, max 9, essential all regions? | 23:53 |
| linaporras | ok ok North America includes central america... | 23:54 |
| wxl | right | 23:54 |
| linaporras | ok I agree with the Wikipedia definition, I think that we should cite the wikipedia part... for clarification... | 23:54 |
| jose | we can have that internally ourselves | 23:55 |
| linaporras | I agree | 23:55 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. | 23:55 |
| toddy | ok | 23:55 |
| wxl | great | 23:55 |
| wxl | anything else ? | 23:55 |
| linaporras | Nop from my part1 | 23:55 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm good. | 23:56 |
| linaporras | I think that we should make this official and start the conformation, but I suggest to start that in the 2nd week of January... take into account, that in some countries this is holiday season | 23:56 |
| jose | target project completion date? | 23:56 |
| linaporras | end of January | 23:56 |
| jose | opinions? | 23:57 |
| jose | anyone else? | 23:57 |
| wxl | i think it makes sense | 23:57 |
| toddy | ok, we can do it like this | 23:57 |
| wxl | chinese new year thankfully begins in february this year | 23:57 |
| jose | so, accounting for a 2-week nomination period, 1-week voting period, finish it on Jan 31st at most, and then instate it on Feb 1st? | 23:58 |
| wxl | yep | 23:58 |
| wxl | i presume we are announcing this as we would board nominations? | 23:58 |
| jose | and expiring Jul 31st? | 23:58 |
| jose | yeah | 23:58 |
| jose | actually | 23:58 |
| jose | the proposal draft should go into our documentation | 23:58 |
| jose | and then we should make a formal call for nominations linking to that | 23:58 |
| linaporras | coool.. well se what happens with the job... if they found that maybe need more time we can reealuate, but so far is ok | 23:58 |
| jose | that way it's not lost in the call for nominations post | 23:58 |
| jose | yes, these are all estimated timelines | 23:59 |
| linaporras | :) | 23:59 |
| jose | toddy: are you still good to own this action item? | 23:59 |
| toddy | I own that? | 23:59 |
| wxl | yes that's right (on expiration) | 23:59 |
| jose | yeah, you owned the LoCo Council renewal | 23:59 |
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