[00:13] <N3bulaK> hello
[00:14] <N3bulaK> I left around 40gig without a partition, thinking I can utilise that later as a backup partition
[00:15] <N3bulaK> should I format it as Primary --> ext4?
[00:19] <sarnold> N3bulaK: yeah, ext4 is a fine choice for a backup target
[00:21] <N3bulaK> sarnold: and leave it as a Primary?
[00:21] <N3bulaK> all the others are greyed out i.e. logical and extended
[00:24] <sarnold> N3bulaK: yeah, whether or not logical/extended or primary is available depends upon the other partitions that were made
[00:29] <N3bulaK> sarnold: can I use GUI version of Gparted to do this?
[00:29] <sarnold> N3bulaK: if it still works, yeah
[00:30] <N3bulaK> sarnold: thanks
[00:30] <N3bulaK> :)
[00:38] <N3bulaK> I am using timeshirt app to backup everything and have tested it.. works great
[00:39] <N3bulaK> only thing I can't do is to export/copy the backup to another partition? anyone have any experience with it?
[00:39] <N3bulaK> Timeshift*
[00:40] <Lutin> what sounds more logical... php-fpm 7.x ubuntu or php-fpm ubuntu 7.x
[02:39] <rahvin> Hi all, I'm having trouble installing chromium without snap.  I've set a PPA to use,but when I apt get install it says it's the latest, and running /usr/bin/chromium-broswer (which dpkg says this installed) says it needs to be installed via "snap install chromium"  I've set the pinning in /etc/apt/preferences . Any ideas how I can use the PPA and not the snap?
[02:43] <sarnold> rahvin: if the version numbers are identical I wouldn't be surprised if you need to purge the chromium-browser package first, before you could then use apt install to install from your pinned ppa
[02:47] <rahvin> sarnold: just tried apt purge chromium-browser;apt udate;apt install chrmium and it still installed the snap version
[02:48] <sarnold> rahvin: I never really understood the pinning, but my guess is that's not configured right
[02:48] <sarnold> rahvin: apt policy  / apt policy chromium-browser  / etc may help
[02:49] <sarnold> rahvin: also, doublecheck if the ppa *actually* has the browser, or if you just found the ppa where that deb is prepared
[02:49] <sarnold> rahvin: time for me to bail, good luck :)
[02:49] <rahvin> sarnold: Yeah... It seems like the apt pinning forces which package to use but snapd is somehow superceding it...? I'll google up on apt policy as I'm not familiar with that. thanks for the pointer
[03:45] <Aaron_Renny> Hey there
[04:22] <Rojola> hi
[04:23] <Rojola> Is it possible, that the Ubuntu version of "Google Chrome" is different?
[04:23] <Rojola> I desperately want to disable suggestions when typing,  but there is no setting to change this behaviour
[04:23] <Rojola> However, my research online shows, that it can be easily changed
[04:24] <Rojola> so I wondered, if Google Chrome is different on Linux than on Windows?
[05:36] <unixbsd> Do you maybe know an opensource clone of ZOOM for linux, client + server?  (voip for tele online communication).
[06:22] <hi^-^> sometimes the screen locks, and the password prompt is disabled and i can't enter anything. when i click, that blinky line doesn't come and when i type, no dots are shown.
[06:23] <hi^-^> Xubuntu 20.04 lightdm is the last version.
[06:23] <matsaman> hi^-^: can you ssh in?
[06:25] <hi^-^> matsaman: i just kill X in another tty, and it gets fixed randomly, but i don't want to lose my programs anymore.
[06:25] <matsaman> hi^-^: instead of killing X, run first 'ps aux | egrep -i 'screen|lock' and see what is running
[06:25] <matsaman> whoops
[06:26] <matsaman> "ps aux | egrep -i 'screen|lock'"
[06:28] <hi^-^> well, i'll do that. but the thing that runs is xubuntu's default.
[06:32] <matsaman> sure, but you run that command and you get a name rather than a concept
[06:32] <hi^-^> matsaman: /usr/libexec/xfce4-screensaver-dialog
[06:33] <matsaman> hi^-^: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-screensaver/+bug/1875025 maybe
[06:34] <matsaman> hi^-^: if you can't figure out a fix with xfce4-screensaver, then as a temporary workaround you can replace that with a different locker
[08:26] <carpediembaby> Hello, I am trying to upgrade to 20.04 LTS from 18.04 LTS on a virtual machine using "sudo do-release-upgrade" but it doesn't work. Here is the main.log : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zmd5cYRgng/ Could someone please help me with this?
[08:27] <carpediembaby> And here is the apt.log : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JPJNZ48bY9/
[08:44] <guiverc> carpediembaby, it reports held packages, have you checked?  (apt-mark showhold)
[08:49] <ixil> I want to install an alternative for libomp5 (by installing libomp5-10) but I don't know where it should link to
[08:50] <ixil> how can I find that out?
[08:50] <ixil> on 18.04
[08:56] <carpediembaby> guiverc apt-mark showhold returns nothing
[08:59] <carpediembaby> guiverc : I saw this thread: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1875599 which says it might be related to nodejs. I uninstalled it and it seems to advance and is now downloading packages. Fingers crossed.
[09:00]  * guiverc crosses fingers
[09:44] <Slartibart> kwin_x11 keeps ramping up shared memory allocation to 10G or something. Then the memory is released and the ramping up begins again. Anyone knows why it does that??
[09:45] <BT40> Hi. Voice recording from mic is not working. Please guide. Recording from audacity, front ports on my board are working, verified.
[09:45] <matsaman> Slartibart: KDE people like C++. Enough said
[09:45] <matsaman> BT40: front ports?
[09:46] <BT40> on tower desktop
[09:47] <BT40> it seems to be input device recording settings issue.
[09:49] <BT40> or maybe alsa/pulse audio issue. I might have messed settings. Help is appreciated
[09:50] <Slartibart> matsaman: Problem is I don't remember seeing C++ messing around with my memory before updating to 20.10
[09:51] <matsaman> it was inevitable
[09:51] <matsaman> Slartibart: seems a common issue
[09:52] <Slartibart> matsaman: Yeah? How so, did you find a bug report or something?
[09:55] <matsaman> Slartibart: you using proprietary nvidia driver?
[09:58] <Slartibart> matsaman: Yes
[10:00] <matsaman> Slartibart: try nouveau instead?
[10:16] <Slartibart> matsaman: No luck :-[ (Or do I have to restart after changing the driver in system settings?) Memory is still being allocated in chunks of  70Mb or so
[10:19] <matsaman> Slartibart: mmm, I'd say as long as lsmod | grep -i nv shows something, you need to disable it further, including possibly a reboot
[10:19] <Slartibart> Reboot it is, then
[10:29] <synthmeat> hey, how to prevent ubuntu desktop version (20.04) from going to sleep (or smth) when external display is plugged out? i masked all the services related to that (sleep, suspend, hibernate, hibernate-sleep). thought it might've been unattended upgrades doing restarts, so i've removed that as well.
[10:30] <synthmeat> or, at least, how to find out what caused it to go down?
[10:33] <matsaman> synthmeat: with X running?
[10:34] <matsaman> synthmeat: so you plug the display back in and it's black?
[10:35] <synthmeat> matsaman: not available to me, it's from a friend on another continent. i can just ssh into it. yeah, it's running gnome
[10:35] <synthmeat> (well, i can't even ssh into it now)
[10:35] <matsaman> but that's the problem? They plug the display back in and it's black instead of just normal as if it had been in use?
[10:35] <matsaman> and have to press a key or something to wake?
[10:36] <synthmeat> well, high-level problem is machine becoming unavailable to me (and not running always-on services it's supposed to). what's exactly happening i don't know.
[10:36] <synthmeat> one suspicion is that it's related to unplugging of the external display, since that's what he's been doing before going to bed.
[10:37] <matsaman> that's pretty unlikely
[10:38] <matsaman> more likely it's configured to sleep (nothing to do with display)
[10:38] <manornk> Hi, I am setting up smtp on ubuntu, and i am getting connect to marketing-email.com[127.0.1.1]:25: Connection refused. Any Ideas?
[10:39] <synthmeat> matsaman: any way to figure out what caused it to go down?
[10:40] <matsaman> I mean there'll be a log somewhere, but I'm not personally sure where in particular
[10:40] <synthmeat> matsaman: sleep.service and all the similar ones are inactive. anything else could be causing it to go to sleep?
[10:40] <matsaman> synthmeat: a super crap way would be to just run a loop that has xdotool press F14 every minute
[10:40] <synthmeat> hah
[10:41] <EriC^^> synthmeat: it's going to suspend?
[10:41] <matsaman> while true; do DISPLAY=:0 xdotool key f14; sleep 1m; done #something like that, I forget xdotool syntax
[10:42] <synthmeat> EriC^^: dunno! :)
[10:42] <matsaman> there is some 'caffeine' app for Ubuntu, too
[10:42] <synthmeat> yeah, that's running as well
[10:42] <EriC^^> synthmeat: maybe it just froze or had a kernel panic
[10:42] <synthmeat> that's a possibility. how to check on that?
[10:42] <EriC^^> ubuntu typically won't auto-suspend or hibernate
[10:43] <synthmeat> (also, it's a plain old desktop machine, not a laptop or smth)
[10:43] <EriC^^> synthmeat: that's a tough one cause if it froze it likely wouldnt be able to write anything to the logs
[10:43] <matsaman> without being on a laptop, y'mean?
[10:43] <synthmeat> maybe best i hit this chan again once machine and friend wake up, i'm just wasting your guys time this way
[10:43] <matsaman> I mean if you try not letting X ever go to sleep (via caffeine/etc.) and that avoids the issue, then you have your answer
[10:44] <EriC^^> synthmeat: maybe try a different kernel in case the issue is in it
[10:44] <EriC^^> if it suspended, /var/log/syslog should show the event
[10:45] <EriC^^> synthmeat: maybe have your friend turn the power button on and see if it resumes or it clean starts?
[10:45] <synthmeat> yeah
[10:47] <synthmeat> it's probably some kernel panic or smth, no way it would go off with caffeine on and all those services disabled
[10:49] <matsaman> probably not using caffeine already
[10:49] <matsaman> but, nv, for example, has a history of all kinds of bugs when states change
[10:51] <synthmeat> i'll probably do that xdotool hack just to rule out it's not crashing
[10:52] <matsaman> should suffice, if the interval before failure is pretty consistent
[10:52] <matsaman> 'xdotool key F14', dunno if the caps matters but might
[10:54] <nestorac>  Hello! I have some trouble with an Asus laptop, I need to use "nolapic" flag and the USB mouse does not work (I use Ubuntu 20.04)
[10:54] <nestorac> It does work with the install Live CD
[10:55] <EriC^^> synthmeat: have a look at the power options in settings, there's a suspend when inactive for ... option there maybe its on
[10:56] <synthmeat> EriC^^: okie, will do
[10:56] <matsaman> synthmeat: could also be some override in the BIOS/UEFI configurator
[10:57] <matsaman> that stuff all has to be just so in the firmware and userland or it doesn't work as expected
[10:58] <synthmeat> oh man, i'll need to get him to record all this with phone on call :(
[10:58] <matsaman> hopefully not =P
[10:59] <matsaman> I still think the most likely explanation is that something to do with sleeping is still enabled
[10:59]  * matsaman shrugs
[10:59] <synthmeat> "no, vps will be more expensive than just buying a machine!"
[10:59] <matsaman> heh
[10:59] <matsaman> the main argument is: whoever is doing the support should dictate the setup
[11:00] <matsaman> no reason to be wasting time debugging metal when your own preference would've been a VPS anyway
[11:00] <synthmeat> yeah, i just wasn't asked
[11:00] <matsaman> woo =P
[11:01] <synthmeat> haven't used desktop linux in ages now. like, last was hedgehog, i think
[11:02] <synthmeat> it was pretty great though
[11:23] <Deano59> does anyone know how to get a cursor icon ix lxappearance? it's missing.. :(
[11:23] <Deano59> in*
[11:23] <Deano59> :)
[11:26] <matsaman> Deano59: cursor?
[11:27] <Deano59> yeah, matsaman - white or black.
[11:31] <matsaman> Deano59: talkin' about an 'I' or like a box, or a mouse cursor or what?
[11:32] <Deano59> the mouse cursor.
[11:32] <TR1950X> I am reading this doc https://ubuntu.com/kubernetes/install#multi-node on the tool juju. Can I use juju to install a k8s cluster across multi cloud provider?
[11:32] <Deano59> black or white. it's missing and nothing under cursor in lxappearance. matsaman :/
[11:33] <matsaman> TR1950X: man, so few of those words have any meaning
[11:33] <Deano59> matsaman: google isn't really helping... -.-
[11:38] <Wowboy9948> why is the Home button in folder options directing to home/user/  instead of /home :d
[11:39] <Wowboy9948> i was so confused
[11:39] <matsaman> because ~/ is your user's home
[11:39] <matsaman> and /home/ is the dir where users' homes live
[11:39] <Wowboy9948> why not call it something else than home
[11:39] <Deano59> guess not the, matsaman :D
[11:39] <Deano59> lol
[11:39] <Deano59> then*
[11:39] <matsaman> Wowboy9948: like what?
[11:39] <rickard> usr
[11:39] <Wowboy9948> User
[11:39] <matsaman> you mean like C:\User\foo\ on Windows?
[11:40] <matsaman> it's exactly the same
[11:40] <matsaman> C:\User\foo 'user' vs /home/foo 'home'
[11:40] <Deano59> matsaman: thanks. :)
[11:40] <Wowboy9948> ?? /home/user is not same as /home/
[11:40] <matsaman> \User\foo being called 'user' is the same as /home/foo being called 'home'
[11:40] <Wowboy9948> why are you taking windows as an example
[11:41] <Wowboy9948> when it is not relevant to the answer
[11:41] <Wowboy9948> ?
[11:41] <matsaman> because you said 'User'
[11:41] <Deano59> lol
[11:41] <Wowboy9948> you asked what it should be called
[11:41] <Wowboy9948> I gave an example
[11:41] <matsaman> guess you could be coming from macOS, too
[11:41] <matsaman> you can call it anything you want, but 'home' make perfect sense
[11:42] <Wowboy9948> Where is Desktop?
[11:42] <Wowboy9948> Where is Documents?
[11:42] <Wowboy9948> Where is Music?
[11:42] <Wowboy9948> Where is Home?
[11:42] <matsaman> all in ~/
[11:42] <Deano59> oh dear.
[11:42] <Wowboy9948> which one doesnt belong
[11:42] <Deano59> :D
[11:42] <matsaman> actually it's all the others that don't belong =)
[11:42] <matsaman> but anyway, that's just fundamental
[11:43] <matsaman> if you're going to refer to the dir all other dirs are within, it's going to not belong in a list with all those other dirs
[11:43] <Deano59> I mean, might as well have nap. about as useful as... wait; no. :D
[11:43] <matsaman> not unless you make an exception so you can get to that dir
[11:45] <Malgorath> I have a great ubuntu 18.04 setup running on a USB thumb drive but want to transfer it to a standard hard drive on a PC, is there a guide or easy way to do this? the drive is a 64GB USB3.0 Drive but I want to put it on my laptops 500GB ssd
[11:51] <nikolam> I see firefox 84.0+build3-0ubuntu0.20.10.1 is ready for Ubuntu 20.10 , reading in Ubuntu-security-announce mailing list, but is not pushed as an update to Ubuntu 20.10. Is there some time period to try it out before update appears?
[11:56] <Maik> nikolam: it should be release already
[11:57] <Maik> release/released
[11:57] <nikolam> Ah, I am hitting some Romanian chroot mirror, maybe that is the reason I don't see it yet.
[11:58] <Maik> i pulled in the latest FF update last night :)
[11:59] <nikolam> Maybe individual pulling time for mirrors is.. individual..
[12:00] <Maik> syncing mirrors all over the world takes time
[12:00] <Maik> one is faster than the other
[12:00] <nikolam> Or maybe mirrors themselves decide how oftern they pull updates..
[12:01] <Maik> don't think so
[12:15] <nikolam> After switching to main update server, now I see Firefox update and updating.
[12:17] <PoolShark_> Good morning... does someone know why my wired USB keyboard would suddently stop working after a software update?
[12:18] <matsaman> PoolShark_: without reboot?
[12:18] <PoolShark_> after the reboot
[12:18] <matsaman> after reboot there are more possibilities
[12:19] <matsaman> but you could've just had your input drivers reconfigured, for starters
[12:19] <PoolShark_> I've tried a couple of different wired keyboards and nada
[12:19] <matsaman> try another USB port?
[12:19] <PoolShark_> yeah I did that too
[12:20] <PoolShark_> I'm shelled in and the keyboards show up in lsusb so there's that
[12:20] <nikolam> "Have you tried turn it off and turn it on again?" (try keyboard on other computer, too). BIOS/UEFI firmware settings for legacy speed USB devices can also play the role
[12:21] <PoolShark_> LOL yes I did a complete power shutoff lol
[12:21] <PoolShark_> that didn't work either though
[12:21] <PoolShark_> keyboards work fine on the other pc
[12:22] <nikolam> I actually use BTRFS fs and on every package updat eor install, it makes FS snapshots, so you can always go back to system state before any package changes.
[12:22] <PoolShark_> oh wierd
[12:22] <PoolShark_> the mouse also cannot drag windows around
[12:22] <PoolShark_> but the pointer moves
[12:22] <PoolShark_> mouse clicks work, but drags dont
[12:23] <nikolam> What's the hardware, motherboard, graphics, Ubuntu release, USB2 or USB3 port..
[12:23] <PoolShark_> I can launch a term from menu but not focus in it (cursor remains an outline)
[12:23] <nikolam> Trying with another user account?
[12:23] <matsaman> PoolShark_: in regular Unity/GNOME?
[12:23] <PoolShark_> Hardware is a ryzen 2700X machine with a gigabyte mini itx, 1060 3gb card, 18.04 xcfe, usb2/3 doesn't matter
[12:23] <PoolShark_> It's xubuntu rather, so no unity
[12:24] <PoolShark_> I mean it happened right after the reboot after a software upgrade, so I really doubt it's hardware.. I think the update just munged something
[12:24] <nikolam> As said, Btrfs root to the rescue :P
[12:25] <nikolam> and apt-btrfs-snapshot
[12:25] <matsaman> PoolShark_: what's 'xinput list' say?
[12:26] <oerheks> i noticed a fresh libinput update..
[12:26] <oerheks> libinput10_1.10.4-1ubuntu0.18.04.2_amd64.deb
[12:27] <PoolShark_> matsaman: the mouse and keyboard are both in the list
[12:27] <nikolam> Any reason not to move ,say, to at least 20.04? 32-bit libs maybe?
[12:28] <PoolShark_> The mouse is able to move and click on items, and double-click on items, but it is unable to drag anything on the desktop
[12:29] <nikolam> And keyboard?
[12:29] <PoolShark_> oerheks: could that have done it?
[12:29] <matsaman> like actual mouse or touchpad?
[12:29] <PoolShark_> nikolam: keyboard is still nada
[12:29] <PoolShark_> actual mouse
[12:29] <matsaman> yeah probably what oerheks said
[12:29] <matsaman> sounds like your X-level dev management is bonkers
[12:29] <PoolShark_> how do I roll back that update?
[12:30] <matsaman> PoolShark_: can you kill X and try from plain console?
[12:30] <nikolam> Is keyboard lighted up? does NumLock works? Can you go to Ctrl+Alt+F2 to console and back to Ctrl+Al+F7 to X session?
[12:30] <PoolShark_> yeh that's a good idea let me try that
[12:30] <matsaman> or, y'know, CTRL+ALT+F2 or whatever (+F7 back)
[12:30] <PoolShark_> yeah all the keyboard lights work
[12:30] <matsaman> heheh
[12:30] <PoolShark_> but no response to any keyboard input, including ctrl-alt-f2... was the first thing I tried heh
[12:31] <nikolam> plug keyboard on other usb ports...
[12:31] <matsaman> ssh in & kill X?
[12:31] <nikolam> see what of the ports are 2.0 and what 3.0
[12:31] <MrSassyPants>  Question: Why does sudo require several seconds after a reboot to show the password prompt and how do I fix it
[12:31] <PoolShark_> yeah keyboard works at shell
[12:32] <nikolam> then keyboard usb device is ok.. try logging in as another newly create user..
[12:32] <PoolShark_> matsaman yeah I am shelled in so I just stopped the lightdm service
[12:34] <PoolShark_> ok that was weird
[12:35] <matsaman> good with new user?
[12:36] <PoolShark_> well to create a new user I first had to disable autologin.. so I edited the lightdm.com, added the user, then service lightdm start... and keyboard worked at the straight login prompt and for my regular user after login
[12:37] <coconut> Any lightdm setting for keeping same brightness on IDLE?
[12:37] <matsaman> probably in the power management prefs (for Unity/GNOME, not lightdm)
[12:37] <PoolShark_> re-enabled autologin and keyboard doesn't work again
[12:38] <PoolShark_> Yeah... fascinating
[12:38] <coconut> matsaman, mate desktop here... nothing in power management from it.
[12:38] <matsaman> PoolShark_: neat / guess that solves that mystery
[12:39] <matsaman> coconut: should be something for the monitor
[12:39] <PoolShark_> why would autologin kill the keyboard and mouse dragging and stuff?
[12:39] <PoolShark_> well it doesn't solve the mystery because the problem isn't fixed, but we know more about it now :)
[12:40] <matsaman> and if you set autologin to new user?
[12:40] <PoolShark_> matsaman: yeah let me try that real quick
[12:41] <Secret-Fire> why is wget saving zip files as folders?
[12:42] <matsaman> Secret-Fire: what makes you think it is
[12:42] <PoolShark_> yeah the keyboard works with the new user
[12:42] <Secret-Fire> matsaman, its not creating zip files, its naming the folder filename.zip
[12:42] <PoolShark_> so what could have been latent in my user profile that broke it when the update happened/
[12:42] <PoolShark_> ?
[12:43] <matsaman> PoolShark_: any number of dotfiles, theoretically
[12:43] <matsaman> although I've never had that happen to do with input devices
[12:43] <matsaman> maybe nikolam has
[12:44] <PoolShark_> Yeah this is a strange one... I can certainly live without autologin for the time being
[12:45] <matsaman> PoolShark_: if a new user works and your old one doesn't, you've just got to figure out the dotfile at play by process of elimination
[12:45] <matsaman> PoolShark_: ls -a ~/
[12:45] <nikolam> You can compare user profile and setting in the new user and the user affected. Who knows, maybe someting is hijacking your keyboard for that user? :P
[12:45] <matsaman> PoolShark_: anything with 'cache' in its name, ~/.local' stuff like that
[12:46] <matsaman> 'input'? Never seen that but maybe it exists
[12:46] <matsaman> haven't dealt with libinput much
[12:46] <PoolShark_> hahah well it certainly seems to have been .cache
[12:47] <nikolam> Sometimes (but rarely seen non Ubuntu) updates can effect existing setups for apps..
[12:47] <PoolShark_> I just blew away everything in .cache because why not and now it works again
[12:47] <PoolShark_> lol
[12:47] <matsaman> weird
[12:47] <matsaman> I mean that happens pretty frequently, but again I've never heard of input devices using ~/.cache
[12:47] <matsaman> perhaps new with libinput <shrug>
[12:47] <nikolam> so that's it. update does not align with older app settings.. maybe file a bug report, but you blew it away :P
[12:48] <PoolShark_> yeah sometihng like the nikolam
[12:48] <nikolam> Any reason not to update o 20.04?
[12:48] <PoolShark_> me?
[12:48] <matsaman> nikolam: from what?
[12:48] <PoolShark_> I'm on 18.04LTS
[12:48] <PoolShark_> and I really don't want to reformat
[12:48] <nikolam> You have 18.04 Ubuntu? 20.04 is also LTS
[12:49] <matsaman> oh
[12:49] <nikolam> Yopu don't need to.
[12:49] <PoolShark_> right ;)
[12:49] <nikolam> I would just suggest to first go to BTRFS.. that way you can come back to 18.04 id 20.04 is not suitable
[12:49] <PoolShark_> because that went so well the last time I tried it hah
[12:49] <nikolam> PoolShark_, I see :P
[12:50] <nikolam> One snapshot a day, saves from grey..
[12:50] <PoolShark_> Whenever I do a major I just reformat... but I usually don't upgrade a major unless I have some compelling reason to
[12:51] <PoolShark_> yeah I've had btrfs in the back of my mind for a while.. i have always been curious about it but reluctant to use it on my main machine
[12:51] <PoolShark_> I know it's a lot more mature now and I probably have no reason to be worried about it, but still
[12:53] <nikolam> Yeah, one can dynamically migrate from ext4 to btrfs, keeping data and install.
[12:53] <PoolShark_> That sounds risky
[12:53] <IniGit> hi
[12:53] <PoolShark_> I do want to put a bigger SSD in this thing so when I do that might be a good time to switch all the things
[12:53] <matsaman> hi IniGit
[12:54] <nikolam> It's 10 years I have been using in-btrfs software raid na migrated from ext4 to btrfs and from 1 to 2 drives for data and metadata and back..
[12:54] <IniGit> when I have a Virtualbox running as a service in Ubuntu (systemd) will Ubuntu wait when the PC gets shut down until the VM gets proberly shut down?. At Windows this is not the case AFAIK
[12:54] <matsaman> don't actually need btrfs to make FS snapshots, of course
[12:54] <nikolam> matsaman, agree, ssd is really nice
[12:54] <matsaman> very nice
[12:54] <matsaman> like night and day
[12:54] <nikolam> matsaman, tou actually use LVM for snapshots?
[12:55] <matsaman> I don't personally no
[12:55] <nikolam> So you don't use snapshots.. or ext4 now has snapshots?
[12:55] <matsaman> I don't even use Ubuntu
[12:55] <matsaman> I did think ext4 had some kind of snapshot system, though, but
[12:56] <matsaman> any proper backup should suffice
[12:56] <nikolam> IniGit, I think it pushes VM into standby, but you better ask on #vbox . I also have an Vbox Vm and I think you need to specially set it up, so that guest os is informed it needs to go down before shutting down.
[12:57] <PoolShark_> I do have a proper backup system
[12:57] <PoolShark_> rsync my homedir daily
[12:57] <IniGit> nikolam: ok, thx
[12:58] <nikolam> Backup system is much more efficient with snapsots, 'send' and checksums on disk blocks (Btrfs and OpenZFS have that)
[12:58] <matsaman> PoolShark_: =) although that won't help you with update reversions
[12:58] <PoolShark_> hahah no
[12:58] <matsaman> I don't really update systems I won't have time to debug update issues for, though
[12:59] <matsaman> so I don't actually usually backup regularly much stuff outside of /home/ either
[12:59] <nikolam> rsync won't help with silent bit rot.. especially if you don't use ecc ram
[12:59] <nikolam> It would happily replicate changed bits..
[13:00] <nikolam> Actually disk checkums also can't help with bad ram..
[13:00] <matsaman> you have to have some system in place for you use rsync, indeed
[13:00] <matsaman> for how* you use
[13:00] <PoolShark_> meh.. Ii have lots of bits... if I lose one or two, it'll be okay
[13:00] <PoolShark_> ;)
[13:00] <matsaman> heheh
[13:00] <matsaman> I'd probably happily lose some
[13:00] <nikolam> And.. replication , even with btrfs send or zfs zend or rsync, is not a replacement for the offline backup :P
[13:01] <PoolShark_> Everything in homedir gets rsynced to my local server here, and I also have an owncloud in a vps I use for the important stuff folder
[13:02] <PoolShark_> so the real important stuff is in two other places, one of which doesn't go up in flames with my house
[13:02] <nikolam> sounds nice. does owncloud vps have remotely encrypted file ssytem? OpenZFS has that thing, keys are not stored remotely at all.
[13:03] <PoolShark_> owncloud encrypts files locally but not by means of an encrypted file system
[13:03] <PoolShark_> i'm not sure how it handles key management
[13:04] <nikolam> if you don't want anyone breaking into your VPS and getting data, zfs send of encrypted streams to the rescue :P
[13:04] <nikolam> keys are only on the sending side.. having keys on remote vps is optional.
[13:04] <nikolam> Ok, let us nog to much offtopic.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:21] <luna_> hey
[13:25] <matsaman> yes hello
[13:29] <Sbur3> Just changed video cards towards Radeon RX550. Where do I find drivers for Ubuntu 20.10?
[13:29] <EriC^^> Sbur3: sudo ubuntu-drivers devices    might list the available drivers
[13:30] <Sbur3> 'cuz every time I look into the display under System Settings, it crashes
[13:31] <oerheks> driver should already be loaded, amdgpu
[13:32] <Sbur3> oerheks: Which command to see that it is the case?
[13:33] <oerheks> tons of answers, https://linuxconfig.org/graphics-driver-check-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa
[13:33] <Sbur3> oerheks: And the answers to 20.04 will be the same as 20.10? Because Plasma ...
[13:35] <oerheks> yes, they are universal
[13:37] <Sbur3> oerheks: Thx
[13:37] <Sbur3> oerheks: But is there a workaround to go in System Settings -> Display and Monitor?  Because that crashes
[14:09] <genkgo> Hello, I have a question. A VM crashed (I guess), and it immediately reboots during a boot, I am trying to get into the grub menu, but I fail to get there with esc, shift or del keys. I can see that my systemd services are starting, I see disks getting mounted, but then it restarts, no clear explanation why. What can I do to get this VM to boot somehow?
[14:10] <genkgo> So I do not reach a login screen or the possibility to enter a terminal. If I could only get to a terminal would be awesome.
[14:13] <rory> genkgo, click inside the virtual machine to focus it as soon as it boots, and hold the shift key, that should make the grub menu appear same as on real hardware
[14:14] <rory> I believe you have to BE HOLDING shift during the boot, right from the start
[14:15] <genkgo> rory: ok, will try that
[14:17] <rory> one thing you could try is to buy yourself a little more time during boot by setting (non existent) CD-rom and Floppy above HDD in the Virtualbox boot order https://i.imgur.com/F3cUHcU.png
[14:17] <rory> gives you more time to focus the window and hold shift before grub takes over, probably.
[14:25] <genkgo> rory: I did not get the grub, but what did do was booting all the way through
[14:25] <genkgo> disk full, I guess my auditd prevented completing boot
[14:26] <genkgo> and somehow with shift pressed and click in the inside the VM, auditd allowed this, soemthing like that
[14:26] <rory> well I'm glad I could accidentally help!
[14:38] <genkgo> rory: thanks a lot, my machine is up and running again!
[15:05] <boktan> hello! is it safe to add kali linux repo to ubuntu?
[15:08] <Habbie> !frankenubuntu
[15:30] <rapidwave> Aren't applications supposed to clear RAM that they are not longer using? My memory usage keeps going up and never coming down. It's even using almost half SWAP
[15:31] <rapidwave> Also...I want Ubuntu having almost a 50/50 split between RAM and SWAP, just a little preference for RAM over SWAP. I've tried setting it, but it doesn't seem to have much effect.
[15:32] <TJ-> rapidwave: what processes are eating memory?
[15:33] <Deano59> rapidwave: are you using the snap store?
[15:34] <Deano59> you can check what's eating your ram with top/htop...
[15:38] <leftyfb> Deano59: I have 12 snaps installed. 3 of which are running. Only 1 of those apps (Slack) is using about 500M out of 16G of memory
[16:10] <StupidDanbo> I'm having trouble fixing an issue with my root folder being full. df -i reports it's only 5% in use, but df -h reports it's 100% in use. it's 107G in size and it says 102G used but somehow that's 100%.
[16:12] <deltab> StupidDanbo: there's a percentage reserved for root and the system
[16:12] <rapidwave> I don't know what df -i does, but df -h puts it in human readable form
[16:13] <deltab> df -i looks at the number of inodes (file records)
[16:13] <rapidwave> StupidDanbo: I don't know about all fixes, but every once in a while I have the same problem and end up doing a full reinstall
[16:14] <StupidDanbo> well the problem is I can't load Chromium or my WINE game, and when I rebooted it did a login loop where I couldn't login. Somehow in the stuff I attempted it let me log in, but restarting and shutting down didn't help like it did for my mom's laptop which had the same login loop problem.
[16:14] <rapidwave> As deltab just said, there is something about inodes I had found by research, I don't understand how it happens, but only fix I ever found was reinstalling.
[16:14] <deltab> if you have lots of tiny files (e.g. email server), you can run out of inodes
[16:15] <StupidDanbo> yeah I looked into that. I don't seem to have any more files than normal. plus I'm not sure what I can delete.
[16:15] <rapidwave> Also...I would say to keep an eye on installing stuff such as libraries or anything that isn't a front-end application because all that stuff can take up space. If you forget about it then it can be hard to find you've installed it.
[16:15] <deltab> StupidDanbo: check for big log files
[16:16] <rapidwave> deltab: I had used BleachBit to get rid of all that stuff and I still had the issue.
[16:16] <StupidDanbo> it's not large files, my inodes are all used up but the file space isn't.
[16:16] <deltab> df -i shows only 5% in use, right?
[16:16] <rapidwave> I don't understand how there can be a limit of inodes without running out of disk space.
[16:16] <StupidDanbo> I tried removing things via snap and that had no effect on the 100% either.
[16:16] <StupidDanbo> correct. df -i shows only 5%
[16:17] <StupidDanbo> it's /dev/sda1       7086080 288017  6798063    5% /
[16:17] <deltab> so your problem isn't inodes
[16:17] <StupidDanbo> yet df -h gives: /dev/sda1       107G  102G     0 100% /
[16:17] <deltab> that's file contents
[16:18] <Habbie> StupidDanbo, if a reboot did not help, i recommend ncdu -x /
[16:18] <Habbie> StupidDanbo, to find where that space went
[16:18] <deltab> du -hsc /var/log
[16:19] <deltab> du -hsc /var/log/*
[16:20] <StupidDanbo> hm. that du command gave similar results to some other command where I was trying to find stuff "cannot read directory"..."permission denied"
[16:21] <StupidDanbo> whoa. 4.1G in /var/log/journal
[16:21] <StupidDanbo> and permission denied for /var/log/ for private, samba/cores, and speech-dispatcher.
[16:22] <deltab> it's normal for some things to be readable by root only
[16:22] <ewomer> How do I allow a snap application to access files under /usr/bin on my system?
[16:22] <deltab> things like the authentication log, whihc might contain passwords
[16:23] <deltab> StupidDanbo: journalctl --rotate  might help with that
[16:24] <StupidDanbo> thanks for finding this for me. I've been at this for over 6 hours.
[16:26] <StupidDanbo> hm. journalctl --rotate didn't get rid of those 4GB of files.
[16:26] <StupidDanbo> 3GB of files in there just from yesterday. WTF?
[16:27] <ioria> StupidDanbo, sudo journalctl --vacuum-time=1d  (it will leave you with just the today log)
[16:28] <ewomer> StupidDanbo Asks the journal daemon to rotate journal files. This call does not return until the rotation operation is complete.           Journal file rotation has the effect that all currently active journal files are marked as archived and renamed, so           that they are never written to in future. New (empty) journal files are then created
[16:28] <ewomer> in their place. This operation           may be combined with --vacuum-size=, --vacuum-time= and --vacuum-file= into a single command, see above.
[16:29] <ewomer> StupidDanbo man journalctl and look at the section on vaccum
[16:30] <ewomer> Rotate won't remove the files, just archives them.
[16:30] <deltab> run  journalctl  to see what's in there
[16:30] <deltab> ah
[16:30] <deltab> in some other logging systems, rotation can also delete old logs
[16:31] <ewomer> Oh, ok, didn't know that bit.
[16:32] <StupidDanbo> thanks.
[16:34] <ewomer> For system logs it could be dangerous, irresponsible, or against some system policies to delete logs when you are just trying to rotate them out,
[17:08] <StupidDanbo> is there a similar manager for the files in /var/log/syslog ? I overlooked 16GB for /var/log/syslog.1 . Reducing my 4GB in /var/log/journal only freed up 2%.
[17:11] <ioria> journal is binary, the others are zipped; you can manually remove the oldest, but honestly a 16G syslog ,never heard  StupidDanbo
[17:14] <StupidDanbo> holy crap. I'm seeing like the last 500 lines of it being in the same milisecond, all about video mixer features failure. I did notice some of my VLC videos were flipped upside-down when I logged in after having locked my PC. Lots of video stuff like my WINE games don't work when I lock and unlock my OS.
[17:14] <StupidDanbo> oh I gues the last digit is probably just second, not milisecond, but still, all of the time stamps are the same.
[17:23] <StupidDanbo> ah I think I found it. gotta edit etc/logroate.d/rsysylog
[17:28] <StupidDanbo> ah they had a typo. that's why I couldn't edit it.
[17:32] <StupidDanbo> no wait, this was something more complicated I don't understand.
[17:51] <StupidDanbo> well all that setting up with commands I don't understand didn't reduce the size.
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> ioria: think i found something; bug #1908423
[17:51] <StupidDanbo> of /var/log/syslog.1
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> ioria: that looks a lot of similar to what happens on my kernels -54 -56 -58
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> ioria: installing hwe edge 20.04 also solves as you adviced
[17:57] <StupidDanbo> how do I reduce the size of /var/log/syslog.1 right now instead of setting it up to be limited once a day which didn't seem to work.
[17:57] <dev-isnt-a-dev> hi! when i dd data to a flash drive (2GB) it instantly completes and no data is written
[17:57] <dev-isnt-a-dev> any tips on how to solve that?
[17:58] <matsaman> dev-isnt-a-dev: with what command?
[17:58] <dev-isnt-a-dev> dd
[17:58] <dev-isnt-a-dev> dd if=<ubuntu iso> of=/dev/sdb
[17:58] <dev-isnt-a-dev> editing the drive with cfdisk doesnt give any errors, but no data is written
[17:58] <oerheks> maybe sudo helps
[17:58] <dev-isnt-a-dev> duh
[17:59] <dev-isnt-a-dev> i'm in a root shell
[17:59] <dev-isnt-a-dev> "thats stupid" yes i know
[17:59] <matsaman> what makes you think the image is larger than 0? What makes you think sdb is your preferred device?
[18:00] <dev-isnt-a-dev> because dd says "completed, wrtote 2gb in 2s, 990mb/s"
[18:00] <dev-isnt-a-dev> and because of lsblk
[18:00] <matsaman> okay, so what makes you think no data is written?
[18:01] <oerheks> use sync to make sure
[18:01] <dev-isnt-a-dev> because the partition is still 76mb, which is the size of the ubuntu netinst image,which i had on the disk before
[18:01] <dev-isnt-a-dev> *58M
[18:01] <dev-isnt-a-dev> i tried sync, still the same
[18:01] <matsaman> partprobe?
[18:02] <dev-isnt-a-dev> i'll trye
[18:16] <DeanGuss> I am just using Ubuntu for the first time in a long time and I do:
[18:16] <DeanGuss> gpg --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <my_key_fp_here>
[18:16] <DeanGuss> and I keep getting: gpg: keyserver receive failed: Operation not permitted
[18:17] <DeanGuss> What am I doing wrong?
[18:19] <oerheks> Is that the full command?
[18:20] <DeanGuss> yes except <my_key_fp_here> is an actual pgp key fingerprint
[18:20] <oerheks> I would use something like: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv <ID>
[18:20] <DeanGuss> I don't need to add it to apt
[18:20] <DeanGuss> I'm trying to add it to the user's pgp key store
[18:24] <llutz> ztul-24
[19:01] <hejkki> hello, any hints on cryptsetup? I have set it up but for some reason it's not working... when i run cryptdisks_start chome  it says Failed to mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/e32fd99e-5e68....   Nothing to read on input.  But i can manually mount that partition without problems
[19:02] <hejkki> i mean the partition that contains the keyfile
[19:17] <hejkki> any ideas? in the file crypttab i have  chome UUID=763ccc90-baca-blabla /dev/disk/by-uuid/e32fd99e-5e68-blabla:/... luks,keyscript=/lib/cryptsetup/scripts/passdev
[19:19] <qbklinm81> Whoever maintains the IRC documents on ubuntu.org, they are badly out of date.  It says Empathy is the preferred IRC client, but EMpathy hasn't been made since forever.  Also has Chatzilla which hasn't been around since Firefox 57.
[19:28] <sarnold> qbklinm81: yeah, quite a lot of the wiki is like that :( people who notice problems are usually in the best position to fix them up, but the antispam efforts also mean it's hard to get new wiki editors added..
[19:28] <sarnold> qbklinm81: (I for example don't even know off the top of my head what steps to take to get the 'wiki edit' ability..)
[20:29] <qbklinm81> sarnold: There is that much spam on the wiki?  I hadn't thought of that.  I can't edit the page because I am new to IRC so I don't know a top 10 list of Linux IRC clients to recommend.  Someone other than me will have to fix that ubuntu page.  It makes it look sloppy if that page recommends several discontinued products.
[20:30] <sarnold> qbklinm81: yeah, spam onthe wiki used to be bad news :/
[20:31] <qbklinm81> sarnold: I am just one user of Ubuntu, and it took me a whole hour of installing software and reading web pages to figure out what IRC client to use.  Why should others suffer the loss of an hour?  I wish I could fix this but I am just too much of a new user to know how...
[20:31] <qbklinm81> sarnold: thanks for replying anyway :)
[20:47] <tangarora> OK guys... what is the valid location for virt-install "--location=http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/groovy/main/installer-amd64/"
[20:47] <tangarora> the man page still points to "wily"
[20:47] <tangarora> Bueler?
[20:48] <sarnold> tangarora: try http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/
[20:50] <tangarora> OK that one worked... thanks...
[20:51] <tangarora> groovy dosent work then?
[20:51] <tangarora> Or ma I just tired...
[20:54] <sarnold> tangarora: I don't know how virt-install works, but I do know that the old debian installer that was used in wily is no longer produced in groovy, but is produced (but untested) for focal
[20:55] <sarnold> tangarora: maybe virt-install can use the newer installer, or maybe not, I'm not sure
[21:15] <neonlightning> ok so this is going to be a weird one. i'm running an odroid xu4 with ubuntu minimal. i've setup bluetooth and pulse enough that i got audio to play from my iphone to the tv that it's plugged into. but i can't get my vita to connect as it sees it as a input device instead of an output device it seems. i'm hoping to try to set the bt adapter to only be hsp or a2dp but the guides all suggest using
[21:16] <neonlightning> pavcontrol but i'm not running an x server.
[21:17] <sarnold> neonlightning: try pacmd; it's nowhere near as intuitive to use as pavucontrol but it doesn't require x
[21:18] <SynfulAck> Why is it that often in tutorials i follow that use pythons pip3 that sudo ends up being required even though it warns you not todo that?
[21:18] <sarnold> neonlightning: once you get a configuration that works you can use default.pa(5) files to manage it, I think
[21:19] <oerheks> SynfulAck, depends on your goal, i would strict it to the user, and put up a proper environment.
[21:20] <neonlightning> sarnold: ya i'm clueles as to how to use it though. all the guides just say "goto this menu and click this...." man linux especially ubuntu is turning into windows more and more lol
[21:21] <sarnold> neonlightning: that comes with good and bad ;) now pavucontrol makes these things easy if you've got a gui, and it's been five or six years since I last had to killall pulseaudio to fix an audio problem :)
[21:22] <SynfulAck> oerheks, you talking about creating a virtualenv?
[21:22] <oerheks> SynfulAck, yes
[21:22] <neonlightning> i'm just glad pulse is starting to fade away. it's why i originally left fedora.
[21:23] <sarnold> and I for one am happy to let fedora and arch folks betatest pipewire :)
[21:25] <neonlightning> ugg. i was originally trying to get this project working in arch expecting it to be lighter. but couldn't get pulse working at all. and bluetooth was intermittent. and mplayer streaming my vita as a webcam was using 10% more cpu than on ubuntu minimal
[21:25] <neonlightning> i shoulda gone with the old 4x kernel version of ubuntu though so i could use the overclocking patches designed for this system
[21:27] <neonlightning> woulda tried void but with how much of a pain arch was being and void is harder to even get running on here i decided against it
[21:35] <neonlightning> "pactl set-card-profile bluez_card.00_71_CC_FB_0C_21 a2dp" gives me "Failure: No such entity"
[21:36] <neonlightning> but i can see it's got hsp, a2dp, and avrcp enabled through the vita(and by being able to play audio from my phone)
[21:36] <neonlightning> but the vita sees it as a device to play music from instead of seeing it as speakers
[21:37] <neonlightning> so i'm hoping to disable avrcp and hsp to see if just a2dp would work but i can't figure out how to.
 I think that it works fine because debian uses it... this way it just uses the media directly from the http:// site.
[22:04] <tangarora> If I have to download the servers media first it is a 800 med sl
[22:04] <tangarora> dl
[22:05] <tangarora> And the documentation is not as helpful as it could be on how to use YAML files to configure unsattended install.
[22:05] <tangarora> unattended.
[22:06] <tangarora> I already have all the preseed files. I dont mind making YAML files to control the install; but then I need some docs.
[22:06] <tangarora> Guessing and testing sucks.
[22:09] <sarnold> tangarora: note the "Help improve this document in the forum" at the bottom of the reference, *please* do use that to describe what you needed that it's missing, that's the best way to make sure these docs are improved :)
[23:23] <neonlightning> still haven't figured this out. i can't set my bt connection to my vita to headset mode or a2dp_source. but when i connect my phone it's automatically using a2dp_source.
[23:37] <jeremy31> neonlightning: can you switch audio profile in Sound Setting once connected to the headset?
[23:39] <neonlightning> i'm not using an x server. and i'm not using a headset. objective is to connect to vita via bluetooth to use my tv as a speaker. what i've succeeded in sofar is using it as a speaker for my iphone. but it won't let me switch profiles in pacmd when connected to my vita.
[23:41] <jeremy31> neonlightning: Then I won't be of much help as I haven't had to use pacmd or pactl for quite a while
[23:42] <neonlightning> thanks anywho. i'm surprised i haven't seen more people doing what i'm doing.
[23:42] <neonlightning> seems like alot of the vita homebrew community uses linux
[23:47] <jeremy31> neonlightning: have you checked the man page for pactl or pacmd, might have some clues if they are up to date
[23:48] <sarnold> neonlightning: hmm, I wonder if the nice folks in #lau might have more ideas or more experience
[23:48] <sarnold> I'm sorry I didn't think of it earlier.. it's the usual chain of thought, "I wonder if just using plain alsa or using jackd would work better... who would know... OH."
[23:49] <ForeverNoob[m]> hello, for some reason my 18.04 (firefox package?) can't update: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1177199
[23:49] <neonlightning> pacmd is a surprisingly terse manpage.
[23:50] <sarnold> ForeverNoob[m]: check dmesg, you may have failing disk; check df -h, you may have full disk
[23:52] <Bashing-om> !info ure bionic
[23:53] <Bashing-om> !info libreoffice-core bionic
[23:53] <ForeverNoob[m]> sarnold: hmm, nothing there I'm afraid.
[23:53] <ForeverNoob[m]> and my disk has enough free space
[23:54] <ForeverNoob[m]> ok, just did "apt clean" and then updated again. Now it worked.
[23:55] <Bashing-om> ForeverNoob[m]: :D libreoffice installed from a PPA ?
[23:56] <ForeverNoob[m]> not sure, I think it was just... there when I found it :p
[23:56] <sarnold> ForeverNoob[m]: very strange; the only cases of "compressed data is corrupt" messages that I've seen have always come from drives that were failing badly enough to log messages in dmesg
[23:57] <ForeverNoob[m]> sarnold: could it be because my Internet burped a bit during package download?
[23:57] <sarnold> ForeverNoob[m]: I certainly hope not; the default configuration of apt is to check package integrity to ensure that you're getting exactly the packages that we've published, and a corrupted transfer should cause that check to fail
[23:58] <ForeverNoob[m]> hmm, I'll make a backup to be sure in that case.
[23:59] <sarnold> apt is a bit funny, it does that check while doing the download and storing, but when it invokes dpkg to perform the installation, it isn't rechecked, and invalid data on the disk can be read back and cause this error
[23:59] <sarnold> it could also be bad memory, that might show up as segfaults or busfaults in dmesg output, too
[23:59] <sarnold> but depending upon how and where the memory is bad, that might never show up