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guiverc'errors.ubuntu.com' bug reports can be treated like ordinary reports.  i just saw a lxqt-config issue for latest bionic, which to me is EOL (9 months for LXQt/Next; LXDE was LTS not LXQt)  .. nobody will care will they?04:01
lubot[telegram] <kc2bez> I think that makes sense.04:03
guivercThanks @kc2bez 04:04
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kc2bezhmm, does the new bridgebot ignore lugito messages?12:34
kc2bezLooks like it does.12:34
RyuKurisu[m]<kc2bez "hmm, does the new bridgebot igno"> I had set it to ignore, but I thought that was a personal setting in Matrix? 🤔20:52
kc2bezI haven't decided yet if it is a limitation or feature XD20:56
ubot93@tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @kc2bez @The_LoudSpeaker wxl[m] guiverc @N0um3n0 @leokolb @KGIII — It's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Then, in order of announcement, post your items, and be sure to mention when you're done.21:04
KGIIIo/ It's snowing, so I am here. I got my plowing done in time.21:04
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> /o21:05
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> o/21:06
kc2bezack KGIII, wxl, @Leokolb , guiverc and kc2bez21:07
wxlok you're up KGIII :)21:07
KGIIII've got nothing to say this week. Things are going fine. I haven't done today's tests 'cause I had to plow some snow, but it's downloading now.21:08
kc2bezsounds good, thanks for testing21:08
wxlokie dokie well thanks for the continued help, especially as it relates to support21:08
wxli guess that makes me next21:09
wxlmy big push this week (with LOTS of help) has been getting international support set up21:09
wxli have one last thing to do (fix the arabic irc channel)21:09
wxlbut right now we have support in spanish, portuguese, french, german, russian, chinese, japanese, and arabic21:09
wxlthis exists both in telegram and on irc and they're bridged together21:09
wxl(and added benefit is that we're now using matterbridge rather than teleirc)21:10
wxlwe also have a subcategory for each of those on the discourse as well21:10
wxli'm told we received our first support request in german today, so very exciting21:10
wxli am so delighted to be able to better reach users in their native language21:10
kc2bezI agree21:11
wxlwe have links to all of those under /links on the website21:11
wxlwe don't have separate ones for discourse because it should be pretty obvious i think21:11
wxli also flipped discourse to show categories on the home page so it's a bit more friendly21:11
kc2bezI like it21:12
wxl@leokolb and i have been working on tracking down a libreoffice bug that affects thunar and pcmanfm-qt with libreoffice on samba shares21:12
wxli think that's it really besides the usual support stuff21:12
wxli plan on making an announcement about the international support soon21:13
wxland i think that is it for me21:13
KGIIIDo we have many Spanish speakers that want to offer help? I speak a bit of Spanish, so I may be able to offer some assistance there.21:13
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> Good (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> i plan on making an announcement about the international support soon)21:13
kc2bezthanks wxl ! sounds good, looking forward to the announcement.21:13
wxlKGIII: i'll let @N0um3n0 correct me but i believe we have a rather large amount of native spanish speakers21:14
wxlhowever i'm not sure how many of them are paying attention to discourse21:14
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> @HMollerCl and me ;) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> KGIII: i'll let @N0um3n0 correct me but i believe we have a rather large amount of native spanish speakers)21:14
wxli would say this: if you do see an unanswered support request, you might check in with @N0um3n0 first. he's really the head of our globalization team21:14
KGIIII'll keep an eye out. I usually have that tab open.21:15
wxlIRC folks: i have to fix arabic but from any one of the English lubuntu channels you should be able to use normal language factoids with ubottu and it will Just Work™21:15
wxlas an example:21:15
ubot93Dans cette chaîne lubuntu, seul l'anglais est parlé. Si vous cherchez de l'aide en français, entrez le canal #lubuntu-fr; tapez "/join #lubuntu-fr" (sans les guillemets) et appuyez sur Entrée.21:15
wxlnote it does not say ubuntu-fr but lubuntu-fr21:15
wxlgo do that in any other channel and you'll get the normal ubuntu one21:16
guivercvery nice wxl 21:16
kc2bezThanks again!21:17
wxl@N0um3n0 if you want to change the name of the arabic telegram group back to what it was before, that would be fine. matterbridge doesn't pay attention to group names but relies on permanent group ids21:17
wxl(i should mention teleirc was deprecated so the fact that it worked at all was a miracle; it's great to have finally moved)21:17
wxlok i'm done21:17
kc2bez@Leokolb is up next21:18
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> Testing Hirsute and Focal - some time on Libre Writer Samba sharing bug 1875717- more of problem of access rights21:18
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> -digging deeper21:18
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> found this known bug at Libre 21:18
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11574721:18
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> Thanks @wxl for the help and tips!21:19
kc2bezinteresting issue, I glanced at the LP bug earlier21:19
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> will dig deeper and get to the bottom before xmas??21:19
kc2bezappreciate that21:19
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> done21:19
kc2bezThanks @Leokolb !21:19
wxli so appreciate your help with that leo21:20
kc2bezguiverc: Your turn21:20
guiverccan't give much sorry; support mainly.  that's all21:20
kc2bezWell, that is super helpful!21:20
kc2bezIt is very much appreciated!21:21
wxlit's huge21:21
kc2bezI guess that leaves me.21:21
kc2bezNot too much to add.21:21
kc2bez* Reviewed and modified the artwork contest announcement. I think it is ready to go unless anyone else has any comments.21:21
kc2bez* Worked on the https://lubuntu.me/links page. I added the links for all the channels that wxl and @N0um3n0 put together.21:21
kc2bezThe links page took a bit to get them so it was condensed but not too busy.21:22
wxlit looks marvelous :)21:22
kc2bezI am happy with the way it turned out21:22
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> Is a work from https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17721:22
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17721:22
wxlmy eyes were going cross with all those channels and groups and topics and factoids so it's nice to have had someone else deal with the art and website XD21:22
lubot[telegram] <teward001> fun fact: the @ notifications work over the bridge :P21:22
wxli think you mean ping @teward001 XD21:23
lubot[telegram] <teward001> *sends an EMP through the interwebs into wxl's system* oops did I do that :)21:23
lubot[telegram] <teward001> sorry i am interrupting continue :)21:23
wxli think dan was done21:24
wxlwe were just heaping praise on him for his good work :)21:24
lubot[telegram] <teward001> heh21:24
kc2bezUnless anyone had any questions21:24
kc2bezThanks for all your help on the bridge stuff @teward00121:24
wxlso when's the artwork announcement going out?21:24
lubot[telegram] <teward001> ah yes that's something i should report :P21:25
guivercartwork contest looked good to me kc2bez 21:25
kc2bezI can go anytime, I didn't want to bump into your announcement wxl21:25
wxloh by all means shoot it out21:25
wxlmore news is better than less21:25
kc2bezSounds good21:25
kc2bezWill do tonight21:25
kc2bezThanks guiverc for your help on that!21:26
lubot[telegram] <teward001> mind if i drop a few points in?21:26
lubot[telegram] <teward001> for my stuff this week :P21:26
kc2bezPlease do21:26
lubot[telegram] <teward001> - Replaced TeleIRC (deprecated NodeJS bridge for chats) with Matterbridge - most channels are back and bridged.21:27
lubot[telegram] <teward001> Figured out your Discourse ccomments problem21:27
lubot[telegram] <teward001> Took a stab at email for Discourse and a few other things being wonky, it was a weird problem.21:27
wxl(all lubuntu channels are back)21:27
lubot[telegram] <teward001> Just happened to notice is all :)21:27
lubot[telegram] <teward001> yep all Lubuntu channels are back21:27
wxloh jeez i forgot about that stupid comments thing21:28
wxljust so everyone knows:21:28
wxlthere's a topic template for support21:28
wxlit's in the form of an HTML comment21:28
wxlit tells them to read the instructions before posting so we can get all the info we need21:28
wxlunfortunately i think some users unknowingly just replaced the text with their own text21:29
wxland NOT removing the HTML comment tags21:29
lubot[telegram] <teward001> s/some/most/21:29
wxlthus making their body text seem invisible21:29
kc2bezIt was a head scratcher21:29
wxlwe updated it so that it's clear where to start typing21:29
kc2bezThanks for that21:29
lubot[telegram] <teward001> def took some digging on my side to point the problem at 'staff' :P21:29
lubot[telegram] <teward001> but then i was done :P21:30
guivercyeah thanks for alert of that wxl21:30
wxlif you see another one like that, edit the post (or get a mod/admin to)21:30
* guiverc meant the html bit.. i'm behind21:30
wxlnp guiverc i knew what you meant :)21:30
wxland thanks again @teward001 for pointing out the obvious21:30
lubot[telegram] <teward001> :P21:31
wxland working so darn quickly on these infrastructure issues we've had21:31
wxlmatterbridge popped up so quickly i was shocked21:31
wxland last week or so when ci was returned to existence21:31
lubot[telegram] <teward001> well CI was the harder problem21:31
lubot[telegram] <teward001> *points fingers at someone causing problems*21:31
* kc2bez whistles and looks away21:32
KGIIII just noticed this. This link: https://lubuntu.me/links/ sends people to this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu which is depreciated and sends people back to this link: https://lubuntu.me/21:32
lubot[telegram] <teward001> that's something that can be fixed21:33
kc2bezNice catch KGIII21:33
lubot[telegram] <teward001> kc2bez: ^ add a ticket to the system :P21:33
wxlyeah we should at least modify that21:33
lubot[telegram] <teward001> for any deprecated links.21:33
wxl"Our Old Wiki"21:33
wxlwe might want to make the FIRST link there the manual21:33
wxlthe manual isn't linked there at all21:34
* wxl looks at kc2bez with puppy dog eyes21:34
kc2bezI can do it21:34
kc2bezEasy to fix21:34
guivercthe wiki page did have the wiki should be considered unmaintained & deprecated at least.. but yeah looped....21:35
KGIIIIt seemed a bit redundant.21:36
kc2bezI'll just drop the old wiki link and move things around so the manual is first21:36
wxli know21:36
wxli would keep the old wiki for now21:36
wxlat least since there's stuff there still relevant to 18.0421:36
kc2bezthe link to it?21:36
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> I have to leave, I'll be back in a bit21:36
wxlonce 18.04 is dead, i say we burn any remnant of lxde away21:37
guivercKGIII, I added various links to the wiki.ubuntu.com pages. some autodirect on timer, some have notice.. depending on what detail/info I felt page has (less useful was more prominent, potentially dangerous redirected)21:37
wxland we'll just turn wiki.u.n/Lubuntu into a straight up 0-second redirect to lubuntu.me21:37
kc2bezok I'll shuffle the old wiki link to the bottom/back21:37
KGIIIOk. That makes sense to me.21:37
wxlif anyone wants to make a project out of digging through the old wiki to see if there's anything useful and transferring it over to phabricator, that would be great21:39
guivercI'd still use >0 secs.. there are a lot of lxde users who will I bet keep using wiki post-april-202121:39
wxli.e. things related to development, contribution, etc.21:39
wxlstuff related to support can just rot since it's all lxde21:39
wxlguiverc: well maybe we should move all those pages to /LXDE rather than /Lubuntu :)21:40
guivercthat makes HEAPS of sense wxl..21:40
kc2bez+1 on that21:40
* guiverc likes it a lot21:40
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> Afree21:41
wxlif someone wants to make a task for it, that would be great21:41
wxlbetter yet if someone wants to take on the task21:41
wxlmight be a nice little project to just pick at day by day21:41
wxlok so anything else anyone?21:41
lubot[telegram] <teward001> oh yeah i made a status page for the infra21:41
lubot[telegram] <teward001> https://status.lubuntu.me/21:42
lubot[telegram] <teward001> so you can determine if stuff is broke or under maintenance or not ;)21:42
lubot[telegram] <teward001> 'tis all from me.  Time for food for me.  \o21:42
kc2bezThanks everyone!21:42
wxlthanks again all!21:42
KGIIIGlad to help. I've been learning tons, which was one of the goals.21:43
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> Thanks all21:43
KGIIIIs it safe to assume there will be a meeting on the 24th?21:47
kc2bezWe can try to meet briefly.21:47
kc2bezI know I should be available21:48
guiverci wouldn't count on me being there, it'll be 25th here then   (i don't say much anyway)21:48
kc2bezOh good point21:48
kc2bezI forgot you were in the future :P21:48
KGIIII may have real-world stuff going on, but maybe not much/any due to the pandemic.21:48
kc2bezSame boat here KGIII21:48
KGIIII'll plan on stopping in - *if* the real world doesn't intervene. 21:49
kc2bezSounds good, I will do the same.21:49
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T180: Cleanup Ubuntu Wiki] guiverc (Chris Guiver) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T18022:08
guivercwxl ^ sort of fit what you were after, or bits missing?22:08
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T180: Cleanup Ubuntu Wiki] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T180#392922:11
KGIIIIf the wiki is redirecting in 10 seconds, how are we supposed to get the URLs/data from the old wiki to add to the phab wiki?22:23
guivercKGIII, if you give me a link, it can be done.. (editing the url as I recall)22:26
guivercKGIII, are you a wiki editor?22:26
KGIIII haven't gotten that far. I was just mulling it over as I was reading the goal of the task. I can also probably generate a wiki editor account and look through it that way.22:27
guivercit's your normal launchpad account, a privilege is added to it.   if you'd like to assist in the task I'm happy to sponsor your becoming a wiki editor  (I doubt others here will object)22:28
KGIIII'm logging in now. I'm willing/able to *help* go through the old wiki to look for still-useful information.22:29
guivercKGIII, apply here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors  popey actually approves, but it's easier if people sponsor/suggest/recommend :)22:29
guivercsorry I shouldn't have typed pope*y that way , apologies !   until application had been made22:30
KGIIIJust click 'join the team'?22:31
* guiverc assumes so, I don't see that option being editor already22:32
* guiverc my page has a 'leave team' option instead22:32
KGIIIDone. I'll await approval and then start going through the wiki pages as time allows. I'll be cautious, but it's *just* recommending stuff so I can handle that.22:32
KGIIII already have the phab account going on. That step is already done.22:33
guivercKGIII, can you access the lubuntu notes page I created22:33
KGIIIThis one: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T180?22:33
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: T180? is an invalid task reference.22:33
guivercmore so the notes page within that... https://notes.lubuntu.me/xGUhgY-9Tdip0AzRUT6wGQ22:34
guivercKGIII, it contains the clues wxl originally provided me that I used for what I did..22:35
KGIIINope. It redirects me to https://notes.lubuntu.me/22:35
KGIIIIt has a login option - but no registration option.22:36
guivercyeah i feated that & why i asked.. you likely don't have permissions for that. 22:36
KGIIIIt appears not. My phab account and SSO account don't let me in.22:37
guivercKGIII, hold on please...22:38
KGIIIAlright, I'm gonna grab a snack.22:38
guiverc:)     (i asked a question in another room, I don't know what's involved with notes.lubuntu.me)22:39
wxli thought i used to have access to wiki editors but i don't22:48
KGIIIIt's all good. I am in no rush. I am in the exact opposite of a rush. It's a lot of different systems to learn, and it's entirely new to me.22:49
wxli will say this: the ubuntu wiki is slow and annoying. that's one of the reasons we moved away from it22:50
KGIIIIt'd be nice if the Ubuntu SSO worked in more places. 22:51
guivercKGIII, email sent to popey supporting your wiki editor request22:52
KGIIIThanks! I'm reasonably harmless.22:52
guivercwith time zones etc.. it'll be actioned when it's actioned22:52
wxlwe have a long standing ticket to set up SSO login on Phabricator22:52
wxlit should be fairly easy on Discourse, though22:52
KGIIIAs I said guiverc, I'm not in any huge rush. I just figured I could look at the old Wiki and take some notes as I went from page to page.22:53
KGIIIAnd, when you say 'long standing', how long is that actually? (I'm just curious.)22:54
wxlone sec22:54
wxloh duh we DO have SSO support in Discourse X''''D22:55
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Resolved] Ubuntu SSO support in Discourse: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T9422:55
popeyKGIII / guiverc done22:56
guivercthank you popey 22:56
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T35: Ubuntu SSO for apps] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T35#393322:56
wxl^ that's the ticket22:56
wxlMarch 2019 is "long standing" I guess XD22:56
wxloh hai popey22:56
KGIIIThat was almost 1.5 years ago. So, yeah, that's long standing.22:56
wxlit's always weird when he pops up out of nowhere22:56
kc2bezI thought he was everywhere 🤣22:57
wxlhe's all like https://live.staticflickr.com/2395/2439356053_f00bb3a0c1_b.jpg22:57
KGIIII'm going to go poke around the old wiki to see what the system looks like. I should probably also eat something more substantial than an orange.22:57
wxlKGIII: it may be helpful to know that the wiki software is MoinMoin and has its own rather annoying markup language22:58
kc2bezT35 might actually be carried over from old phab22:58
KGIIII have never heard of MoinMoin until right this very minute. That's okay. I'm not doing anything better - though I still need to get a live test done today.23:00
wxlKGIII: you're not missing anything. it sucks, like i said.23:00
KGIIIIs phab more like the markup used everywhere else?23:01
wxlphab does have its own little markup but it's *very* close to standard markdown23:01
wxlit's roughly compatible with md and rst from what i remember23:02
wxli'm sure it'll probably ltake html as well23:02
KGIIIGood. I can handle that.23:02
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#393723:13
KGIIIHa! I found an error on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/. Scroll down. It has Groovy as 21.04 in the releases section.23:15
KGIIII do not yet have an edit button, or I'd have fixed it for 'em.23:17
guivercYou likely aren't logged in... (to wiki)23:17
guivercthat does use Ubuntu's SSO23:17
guiverc@ top to right there is a login link23:18
guivercwhich will change "Immutable Page" to an editable one (for community available pages)23:19
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) edited a message on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#393723:20
KGIIIAh, I had to log out and log back in. I now see an edit button, at least on that page.23:20
* guiverc suspects cached packages denied you access (which you likely didn't have when you first went to page earlier today.. now you have access)23:22
KGIIIIt wants me to wait 7 minutes before saving my edit. I can do that. Small steps... Small steps... 23:24
KGIIIAs always, thanks for the help.23:24
guiverc7 mins?  there weren't warnings about another person editing it?  (if one person edits, it's locked for 10mins.. that's what 7 mins reminds me of)23:24
KGIIIThis page was opened for editing or last previewed at 2020-12-17 18:18:15 by franksmcb.23:25
KGIIIYou should refrain from editing this page for at least another 6 minute(s), to avoid editing conflicts.23:25
KGIIITo leave the editor, press the Cancel button.23:25
guivercleave it alone whilst Bill has the page open23:25
guivercBill (franksmcb) may detected the issue and is correcting.. 23:26
guivercfranksmcb is with Ubuntu MATE23:26
KGIIIYup. I figured. After all, it told me to. 23:26
KGIIIAh, I don't know any of those people - yet.23:26
guiverche is often in these rooms too.. (we're often in other teams room likewise)23:27
lubot[telegram] <franksmcb> That's me being a ghost. Good find KG23:29
KGIIII'm pretty content with the three rooms I have open now. I do have Telegram set up so that I can see #lubuntu_devel if I miss something.23:30
KGIIII assume franksmcb is gonna fix the problem text?23:30
lubot[telegram] <franksmcb> It should be fixed now23:31
KGIIIIndeed it is. Thanks!23:31
guivercthank you KGIII for noticing. 23:31
KGIIII tend to notice small things. They just stand out. I'm not sure why.23:32
guivercand now you have the power to correct many of them :)23:32
KGIIIWith great power comes great responsibility! 23:35
KGIIIThere, I finished the live ISO test. It's time for me to eat and check snow levels. I shouldn't need to plow again tonight. I can clean up the rest of the snow in the morning.23:36
lubot[telegram] <franksmcb> Also good to "meet" you KGIII23:36
guivercKGIII, I added a gdoc link (you may get notes.lubuntu.me access; but that will take time)  .. it looks yuk in gdoc, but that's easy..   pad.ubuntu.com would be my next choice; but you likely don't have access to that either thus the gdoc23:42
lubot[telegram] <kc2bez> Thanks for the help Bill! (re @franksmcb: It should be fixed now)23:44
KGIIINice to meet you too, Bill. I'm terrible with names, so we'll meet multiple times!23:57

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