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| harlin | Anyone know of an open source equivalent or alternative for MS Project? | 01:07 |
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| harlin | I see ProjectLibre but I don't know of a soul who's ever used it. | 01:07 |
| sarnold | http://live.gnome.org/Planner perhaps? it's packaged as 'planner' | 01:08 |
| sarnold | but likewise I don't know anyone who's used it | 01:08 |
| sarnold | 'apt-cache search gantt' will show a bunch of things that are likely candidates | 01:08 |
| harlin | gotcha ... thanks sarnold | 01:09 |
| spacefrog | is there a reason why my screen tears (mostly in browsing) when i have 2 external monitors connected to my laptop? | 01:46 |
| spacefrog | i'mi using intel gfx no amd or nvidia hybrid stuff | 01:46 |
| spacefrog | i noticed the issue happening on both LTS and latest release | 01:47 |
| rjwiii | spacefrog: what is screen "tear"? | 02:00 |
| spacefrog | rjwiii: please look up the verb tear in Google search | 02:02 |
| jadax | I need to turn ubuntu 18 machine to router. It will get "WAN" from wifi and the client will be on wired ethernet. Any guides/tutorials how to do it? | 02:02 |
| spacefrog | Jadax just use ipFire or pfsense | 02:05 |
| jadax | this is temporary setup, spacefrog | 02:06 |
| jadax | I don't want to wipe out that machine | 02:06 |
| sarnold | jadax: there's some notes on https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/security-firewall that might be helpful | 02:06 |
| jadax | I wish there was some one-liner or some package to make it easy and smooth on/off type of functionality | 02:21 |
| jadax | I'll try to follow instructions from your link, sarnold | 02:21 |
| sarnold | jadax: heh, the "easy and smooth" thing is probably something more like pfsense :) | 02:22 |
| sarnold | jadax: maybe swap hard drives? | 02:22 |
| jadax | I don't want to make it too big of a project, it's temporary only | 02:22 |
| jadax | I guess I'll learn something trying to set it up too | 02:22 |
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| Guest20 | i am trying to enable a service through chkconfig so that it can sustain restarts | 03:16 |
| Guest20 | i use ubuntu xenial 16.04 | 03:17 |
| harlin | Guest20, I think chkconfig is for RHEL/CentOS systems | 03:36 |
| harlin | Guest20, what you're probably looking for is systemctl (btw, it works on both Debian and RH-based systems) | 03:36 |
| Guest20 | systemctl enable teleport? | 03:36 |
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| Blade-Runner | dum, de dum dum, its thursday before the weeeekend :) woooo | 05:20 |
| matsaman | good ole Thor's day | 05:21 |
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| mr_lou | After booting Ubuntu, I see my icons on the left side; harddisk icons and applications. Then another harddisk icon always pops up - and disappears again. It looks suspecious. But is there any explanation? | 05:29 |
| matsaman | mr_lou: Canonical | 05:43 |
| mozzarella | guys help | 06:19 |
| mozzarella | my printer only works 25% of the time | 06:23 |
| matsaman | mozzarella: throw it away | 06:29 |
| mozzarella | matsaman: ubuntu is the one that should be t hrown away | 06:29 |
| loxie | by the time you get working your ink will be dried out lols and the firmware will tell you its end of life rolf | 06:31 |
| loxie | used my home print once every 8months dam they die quick these days | 06:32 |
| Nokaji | you want to print at least something, weekly | 06:33 |
| loxie | right will keep that in mind for the next one | 06:33 |
| loxie | ty | 06:33 |
| matsaman | mozzarella: nonsense | 06:34 |
| matsaman | consumer printers are utter trash | 06:34 |
| matsaman | and that includes printers up to thousands of dollars in cost | 06:34 |
| loxie | do the printers for business suffer the same firmware problems causing an early death? | 06:39 |
| matsaman | loxie: up to thousands of dollars, yes | 06:42 |
| arahael | Is there a version of Ubuntu I can download to run in Parallels on my new laptop? (I've got an M1) | 06:45 |
| matsaman | arahael: probably doesn't matter which version of Ubuntu you use, since it'll be virtualized anyway | 06:52 |
| arahael | matsaman: It does matter, as it's only virtualisation, not emulation, so I need the correct build and can't use an intel version. | 06:53 |
| matsaman | weird | 06:54 |
| matsaman | there are ARM builds of Ubuntu | 06:54 |
| arahael | Just found that the "server" variants support ARM, I was looking at teh desktop versions. | 06:54 |
| matsaman | that would be the general arch | 06:54 |
| matsaman | Debian probably has more ARM dist builds | 06:55 |
| arahael | Yeah, neither arm64 nor armhf work. | 06:55 |
| arahael | Debian is my first pick, generally. | 06:55 |
| matsaman | well working is going to be Parallels' end | 06:55 |
| arahael | Indeed, I've already sent them a feedback report about that. | 06:55 |
| matsaman | maybe it has to be 64-bit arm strictly | 06:57 |
| arahael | Hmm? | 06:57 |
| arahael | Ok, Ubuntu's ARM image doesn't work either. :( | 06:58 |
| matsaman | arahael: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ubuntu-linux-virtualized-on-m1-success.2270365/ | 06:59 |
| matsaman | this is only from November, so | 06:59 |
| matsaman | might be a little while before things are straightforward | 06:59 |
| matsaman | not Parallels, though | 07:00 |
| matsaman | I've read QEMU is already working, too | 07:00 |
| arahael | Yeah. I wonder if this thing has only been tested so far with Windwos. | 07:00 |
| matsaman | even though it can be pretty intolerable, technically there is nothing much missing on macOS from GNU/Linux | 07:01 |
| matsaman | you're just stuck with one of the crappy package managers available is all | 07:01 |
| arahael | Not that crappy, I mean, there's macports, homewbrew, etal. | 07:04 |
| matsaman | I mean there are those two, and nix if you want to consider it one, yes | 07:05 |
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| matsaman | all of which suck =) | 07:05 |
| arahael | Heh, there is that. | 07:10 |
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| ahylight | Is there cleaner than this to convert a list of strings to lowercase: | 08:47 |
| ahylight | L = list(map(str.lower, L)) | 08:47 |
| ahylight | i always wonder about list(map( , isn't there better? | 08:48 |
| zetheroo | one of my laptops with 20.04 has been freezing up randomly - completely unresponsive - image is still on the screen but no response to mouse/keyboard etc ... I am going to hard reset it, but I would like to know what steps I can take to find out what's causing the system crashing like this | 09:31 |
| xtron | holla, I'm using latest ubuntu 20 LTS on my dell precision 7510, when it is connected to the internet through wifi I can't re-connect after I suspend the system unless I turn off the wifi and turn it on again. | 09:45 |
| xtron | I'm not sure if it is specific to my machine or a known issue for this series | 09:47 |
| lotuspsychje | xtron: wich kernel are you on? | 10:09 |
| xtron | 5.4.0-56-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP | 10:09 |
| lotuspsychje | xtron: can you try update system to -58 see if your issue persist first? | 10:10 |
| xtron | is there any expected fix for this issue in -58 version? | 10:10 |
| xtron | I found a work around, which restarts the network manager everytime system come back form suspend: https://letsfoss.com/fix-wifi-not-working-after-suspend-in-ubuntu/ | 10:12 |
| lotuspsychje | xtron: to debug ubuntu issues, we reccomend to update system to latest first, so we can rule out its not a previous kernel issue | 10:12 |
| xtron | -56 is the latest kernel I can upgrade to, using apt command | 10:17 |
| lotuspsychje | !uptodate | xtron | 10:18 |
| ubottu | xtron: To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. | 10:18 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic focal | 10:18 |
| ubottu | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4.0.58.61 (focal), package size 2 kB, installed size 18 kB | 10:18 |
| xtron | linux-image-generic is already at -58 | 10:26 |
| raz0r | hey, total newbie here... i have got vino running on ubuntu 20.4 so i can view the desktop from my windows pc, but the connection is not encrypted. How can I do that? Ive tried some guides online but none work for me | 10:27 |
| Hash | Does anyone else find the non LTS versions to be somewhat buggy and crashy? | 10:29 |
| lesshaste | is there a graphical way to monitor disk activity? | 10:59 |
| tarzeau | lesshaste: yes, wmhdplop can do so | 11:21 |
| lesshaste | oh thanks! I had never heard of that | 11:22 |
| tarzeau | it works best with windowmaker as window manager | 11:22 |
| lotuspsychje | lesshaste: stacer has also some GUI things history and total usage etc | 11:22 |
| lesshaste | "Yet another stupid dockapp which may improve your productivity. Or not." :) | 11:22 |
| tarzeau | bestest description! | 11:22 |
| lesshaste | lotuspsychje, thanks. I am mostly trying to work out why my PC freezes | 11:23 |
| tarzeau | lesshaste: tried inspecting dmesg -T outputs and memtester yet? | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | lesshaste: wich kernel are you on? | 11:23 |
| tarzeau | lesshaste: it's not overheating if you look inside, or run "sensors"? | 11:23 |
| lesshaste | 5.4.0-56-generic | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | update to latest lesshaste | 11:23 |
| lesshaste | lotuspsychje, that is the latest for 20.04 I think | 11:24 |
| lotuspsychje | -58 | 11:24 |
| lesshaste | tarzeau, this is dmesg -T https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gbqxQtCwXY/ | 11:25 |
| lesshaste | do you see anything relating to freezing? | 11:25 |
| tarzeau | lesshaste: when it crashed :) and |grep -v audit | 11:25 |
| tarzeau | lesshaste: no, you'd have to look through older dmesg outpot, /var/log/syslog | 11:25 |
| tarzeau | lesshaste: last output might give times to check for | 11:26 |
| lesshaste | ok thanks.. I am a bit sad as I got rid of my old pc assuming it was a hardware failure and bought a new one | 11:26 |
| lesshaste | lotuspsychje, sudo apt upgrade doesn't offer me -58 | 11:27 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic focal | 11:27 |
| ubottu | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4.0.58.61 (focal), package size 2 kB, installed size 18 kB | 11:27 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 12:07 |
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| vivekp | moshi moshi | 13:29 |
| vivekp | SerialSmile: hello | 13:29 |
| vivekp | oi | 13:31 |
| BluesKaj | hi vivekp | 13:31 |
| vivekp | BluesKaj: ok | 13:32 |
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| dexter | hi, so i have a file witha lot of lines, and i want to remove all characters after a certain pattern, how can i do this? (using either vim or bash, awk or │ ajb | 13:59 |
| dexter | │ | any of the other common tools) | 13:59 |
| dexter | 2 i have a file pattern that follows; recup_dir.<A NUMBER>/<FILENAME> and after that theres a semicolumn and other random stuff | 14:00 |
| dexter | i want to remove those semicolumns and all characters on the line after that | 14:00 |
| dexter | any tips on how to achieve this? | 14:00 |
| osse | Run vim file Inside Vim run :%s/;.*// followed by :wq | 14:13 |
| osse | alternative: sed 's/;.*//' file > tmp && mv tmp file | 14:14 |
| osse | dexter: | 14:21 |
| prinned | osse: | 14:28 |
| prinned | dexter: | 14:28 |
| foureight84 | i updated my netplan yaml to use dhcp dns and i was able to verify through systemd-resolve --status that network dns is updated but i can't to ping. other clients on dhcp has connectivity and can ping without an issue | 14:30 |
| foureight84 | https://pastebin.com/CS5KBa3M | 14:33 |
| foureight84 | disregard the last paste. this is one is correct to current settings https://pastebin.com/Q20Mmnry | 14:37 |
| leftyfb | foureight84: what version of ubuntu? Desktop or server? | 14:46 |
| foureight84 | 20.04.1 server | 14:46 |
| leftyfb | foureight84: can you ping other clients? | 14:47 |
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| foureight84 | i can ping other clients | 14:47 |
| leftyfb | foureight84: can you ping the gateway? | 14:47 |
| foureight84 | but only by ip and not hostname. doesn't seem that name server is resolving | 14:48 |
| foureight84 | yes i can ping gateway | 14:48 |
| leftyfb | foureight84: is the ip of the gateway the nameserver being given out via DHCP? | 14:49 |
| foureight84 | it is not. gateway dhcp server advertises pihole dns | 14:49 |
| foureight84 | and on the pihole i have conditional forwarding setup for dns matching local domain | 14:49 |
| leftyfb | foureight84: can you ping the ip of the pihole? | 14:49 |
| foureight84 | which goes back to gateway which has it's own static dns | 14:50 |
| foureight84 | yes. i can ping pihole | 14:50 |
| leftyfb | foureight84: run: host google.com <ip of pihole> | 14:50 |
| foureight84 | ohh wait! i can't ping piehole | 14:50 |
| foureight84 | pihole* | 14:50 |
| leftyfb | ok, then that is problem #1 | 14:50 |
| foureight84 | pihole is 192.168.1.4 | 14:51 |
| foureight84 | which is what the gateway is advertising | 14:51 |
| foureight84 | hmm okay let me add more details then. so pihole is currently running on a docker instance of this ubuntu server. pihole is also on macvlan | 14:52 |
| foureight84 | and i'm trying to have this ubuntu host use router dhcp dns which is pihole | 14:53 |
| foureight84 | so when i ping 192.168.1.4 (pihole) it resolves to 192.168.1.5 (ubuntu) which then doesn't respond | 14:54 |
| foureight84 | wait nvm scratch that last comment. that's not correct | 14:54 |
| foureight84 | 192.168.1.4 (pihole) does not reply to ping from 192.168.1.5 (ubuntu) | 14:55 |
| foureight84 | i will look into macvlan then. seems like that's the issue and not netplan at all | 14:56 |
| leftyfb | foureight84: looks like you now know where to start troubleshooting. Let us known when you get to a point where you need help | 14:56 |
| foureight84 | i probably have a bad setup or missing something | 14:56 |
| repulse | Hi, question about disk migration: I'd like to migrate Ubuntu 20.04 LTS from HDD to a SSD of the same size. What's the best way to do so? I'm using LUKS disk encryption of the rootfs (without LVM). More specifically, do I have to manually enable any options to enable the TRIM operations? Does the dm-crypt crypttab need a "discard" option or is the systemd-controlled fstrim job enough? | 14:56 |
| foureight84 | thanks leftyfb | 14:56 |
| leftyfb | repulse: try dd or clonezilla | 14:56 |
| repulse | leftyfb: but dd will write the whole partition including the encrypted free space. How do I then signal that this free space needs to be trimmed? | 14:57 |
| leftyfb | repulse: SSD trim is an aspect of the SSD hardware, not the filesystem | 14:58 |
| repulse | the file system has to signal to the SSD firmware which sectors are free. This happens only to sectors whose files have been deleted, not the entire free space range. | 14:58 |
| foureight84 | ahh okay i see.. "In Macvlan you are not able to ping or communicate with the default namespace IP address" | 14:59 |
| repulse | so, if I use dd to write to SSD, the disk will consider the written blocks in use, even if they contain unencrypted free space, yes? | 14:59 |
| repulse | encrypted* | 14:59 |
| TJ- | repulse: crypttab has a "discard" option | 14:59 |
| repulse | TJ-: does it enable continuous trim? | 15:00 |
| repulse | afaik I don't want that one | 15:00 |
| TJ- | repulse: see "man crypttab" for a discussion on pros and cons | 15:00 |
| repulse | how is the crypttab discard option different from the fstab one? | 15:04 |
| repulse | I'm confused about this one | 15:04 |
| lsd|2 | can someone package maintainer of #chromium update to latest ? since live chat on youtube is disabled and also recaptha | 15:08 |
| lsd|2 | Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS \n \l | 15:09 |
| lsd|2 | even showup.tv complaining about recaptha | 15:12 |
| ice9 | sometimes during disk IO operations like when upgrading packages, the whole system freezes for many seconds; this is something new that didn't happen before; what could be the issue? | 15:31 |
| tomreyn | ice9: physical media errors, bus bandwidth, cpu cycle or memory depletion | 15:34 |
| tomreyn | interrupts, too | 15:35 |
| tomreyn | start by looking at your logs, journalctl -b | 15:35 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, no IO errors | 15:36 |
| tomreyn | no media sense errors either? | 15:36 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, no | 15:36 |
| tomreyn | what else? | 15:36 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, just normal journal log but nothing related to IO | 15:36 |
| tomreyn | which hardware is this, which firmware, which kernel, wich ubuntu release? | 15:37 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, it's ubuntu 20.04 with the latest repo updates on acer laptop; what firmware do you mean? | 15:39 |
| tomreyn | imean the output of journalctl -b | grep DMI | 15:39 |
| tomreyn | imean the output of journalctl -b | grep DMI: | 15:39 |
| tomreyn | ^ this rather | 15:39 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, https://bpa.st/EXGQ | 15:40 |
| tomreyn | but you're saying this started happening somewhat recently, so it's probably not due to a firmware change, unless this happened automatically | 15:41 |
| ice9 | the firmware hasn't been updated since years | 15:41 |
| tomreyn | so,yes, 2017 bios, this wont be related | 15:41 |
| tomreyn | did you run smartctl -a against the storages, yet? | 15:41 |
| tomreyn | inspect the relevant properties to ensure it's not because of the disks dying. | 15:42 |
| tomreyn | !smart | 15:42 |
| ubottu | smart is Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology, a monitoring system for hard drives. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools | 15:42 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, https://bpa.st/QU4Q | 15:43 |
| tomreyn | this disk seems to be fine. do you have others? | 15:44 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, I got a NVME disk | 15:45 |
| tomreyn | so run it against that as well | 15:46 |
| tomreyn | how mch ram is installed, how much in use? | 15:46 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, 8GB RAM, 4GB available; https://bpa.st/NFWQ | 15:47 |
| tomreyn | how full are those file systems which are mounted by ubuntu? | 15:47 |
| ice9 | about 65% used in both disks | 15:48 |
| tomreyn | file systems, not disks | 15:49 |
| tomreyn | df -h && df -hi | 15:49 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, https://bpa.st/WD5A | 15:51 |
| tomreyn | ice9: which kernel version? | 15:51 |
| tomreyn | cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline | 15:53 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, kernel 5.4 | 15:55 |
| tomreyn | ice9: and what's the output of this? L=$(echo SSB3aWxsIG5vdCBmYWxzZWx5IGNsYWltIHRvIHJ1biBVYnVudHUgYWdhaW4gd2hlbiBJIGFtIHJlYWxseSBydW5uaW5nIEFyY2guCg== | base64 -d); while true; do echo $L; done | 15:58 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, is that a shellcode :D ?? what does it should do? | 15:59 |
| flying_sausages | Hey guys, I'm running UoARM and I'm getting segfaults when running curl or wget. Would anyone know how I can investigate this? | 16:00 |
| flying_sausages | specifically when trying to access https://downloads.plex.tv/plex-keys/PlexSign.key | 16:00 |
| coconut | When i change config of grub inside /etc/default/grub ## to a removed "quite splash". Do i then have to update grub with update-grub or update-grub2? | 16:03 |
| flying_sausages | Where would be a good place to report this? | 16:03 |
| tomreyn | flying_sausages: if those are ubuntu packages, for the very release you're on, and your system doesn't have hardware problems causing those, and the system is fully up to date, then you can use the standard utility for this purpose. | 16:14 |
| mxns | is there a way to have remote desktop where you don't have to be logged in first? | 16:15 |
| tomreyn | !bug | flying_sausages | 16:15 |
| ubottu | flying_sausages: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 16:15 |
| C0nundrum | Hey guys, trying to figure out why i get "bash: -c: option requires an argument" when formatting commands like https://gist.github.com/dragonpiper/92a6bdf940b817184b7fff88775384f4 | 16:15 |
| flying_sausages | tomreyn: sorry what is the standard utility? I'm on CLI | 16:15 |
| tomreyn | flying_sausages: see what ubottu told you | 16:16 |
| flying_sausages | `ubuntu-bug` I'm assuming | 16:17 |
| flying_sausages | how am I supposed to get apport to make the crash file on the CLI? | 16:18 |
| flying_sausages | I'm running headless... | 16:18 |
| flying_sausages | I'll just file this on launchapd i guess thanks | 16:20 |
| tomreyn | flying_sausages: normally, i'd expect apport to create the .crash file automatically. i don't know whether this is maybe disabled on arm to decrease reports on this platform / decrease computation. | 16:24 |
| tomreyn | flying_sausages: if you'll file it manually, you can (and should) run apport-collect BUGID later (replacing BUGID by the ID of the bug you filed) | 16:27 |
| tomreyn | mxns: if, by "remote desktop", you are referring to microsofts' RDP protocol, then i think there is x11rdp for this prupose. otherwise, you'd probably use x11vnc | 16:29 |
| tomreyn | C0nundrum: add two dashes, separated by spaces, before "bash" | 16:30 |
| tomreyn | ice9: i don't know how often we need to tell you that you're not entitled to support on this channel if you're not running ubuntu. apparently you have no sense of where abuse starts. | 16:33 |
| cousteau | Firefox is immortal! | 16:39 |
| cousteau | I can't kill firefox | 16:39 |
| cousteau | not even killall -KILL firefox | 16:39 |
| compdoc | is it running in another workspace? | 16:40 |
| tribaal | don't fight it, I mean: are you *sure* you want to mess with an undead carnivore known for hunting its prey silently? | 16:40 |
| tribaal | (sorry, I couldn't resist making the joke) | 16:40 |
| cousteau | all windows were effectively closed when I ran xkill and clicked one of the windows, but the process is still active and using 100% of one CPU | 16:40 |
| cousteau | tribaal, I mean, not like "Firefox is immortal!" wasn't asking for a funny reply :) | 16:41 |
| tribaal | cousteau: I *totally* agree :) | 16:42 |
| cousteau | maybe I need to kill "Web Content" before? | 16:42 |
| tribaal | maybe try to kill -9 the parent process? | 16:42 |
| cousteau | no but seriously, why is `killall -KILL firefox` and `kill -9 1777` not working? | 16:43 |
| tribaal | that usually terminates with extreme prejudice | 16:43 |
| tribaal | that is surprising indeed | 16:43 |
| cousteau | hm, what is the parent process? I would have expected it was this `firefox` guy | 16:43 |
| tribaal | yeah yeah that's what I meant | 16:43 |
| tribaal | so if that's not working... I don't know | 16:43 |
| cousteau | what was this program that displayed all processes as a tree? | 16:44 |
| tribaal | "ps faux" is my goto | 16:44 |
| cousteau | ...can someone google "how to kill firefox" for me? My browser is kinda not cooperating :) | 16:44 |
| cousteau | oh wait, I have Chrome as well | 16:44 |
| ice9 | tomreyn, i'm having this issue on Ubuntu system, what makes you think it's another disro? | 16:45 |
| tomreyn | it's probably some WebContent process thats hogging your CPU | 16:45 |
| tomreyn | cousteau: ^ | 16:45 |
| cousteau | tribaal, ok I did that. It says that [firefox] descends directly from xfce4-panel :( | 16:46 |
| cousteau | like, do I kill the panel, or what? | 16:46 |
| tomreyn | ice9: at least some of the output you posted was from a different linux distro. and thi sisn't the first time. | 16:46 |
| tribaal | honestly at this point I'd just reboot :) | 16:47 |
| tribaal | it's not going to help diagnose why - for sure. | 16:47 |
| tomreyn | ice9: we can discuss this more in #ubuntu-offtopic, if you like | 16:47 |
| cousteau | damn, I suspect it's this Firefox the one that is causing all my late troubles | 16:47 |
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| cousteau | I'm often getting kernel oopses due to one "Web Content" process | 16:48 |
| cousteau | (and a graphics driver from a company that doesn't know how to write drivers) | 16:48 |
| cousteau | btw, which Nvidia driver do you recommend me? I have nvidia-driver-390, but I see more drivers available in software-proprietary-drivers | 16:49 |
| cousteau | er, software-properties-drivers | 16:50 |
| tomreyn | this depends on your ubuntu release and graphics card model. | 16:50 |
| cousteau | ok, where should I look this up for myself? Honestly I don't know why I have this specific driver version installed | 16:53 |
| tomreyn | lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version,cmdline}; lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | 16:55 |
| tomreyn | !paste | 16:56 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 16:56 |
| cousteau | tomreyn, let me reboot this real quick | 16:57 |
| cousteau | So I couldn't reboot my computer normally (pressing the power button and clicking "Reboot"), and then the PC wouldn't even let me go there (saying something about the power manager being busy or something) | 17:02 |
| cousteau | so I Ctrl-Alt-F1'd to try to `sudo reboot now` | 17:02 |
| cousteau | aaand frozen | 17:02 |
| cousteau | but at least I could Alt-SysRq-RSEISUB (sometimes not even that works, no idea why) | 17:03 |
| cousteau | after rebooting and opening Firefox, I seem to have lost some/several cookies (my Gmail logins had disappeared, for instance) | 17:03 |
| cousteau | not a great loss, but well, something clearly happened | 17:04 |
| === denningsrogue9 is now known as denningsrogue | ||
| cousteau | ...yep, I seem to have been logged out of EVERY site I had open :| Weird. | 17:05 |
| cousteau | But it did preserve all my open tabs, settings, etc | 17:08 |
| cousteau | tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6R27z5pPQb/ | 17:11 |
| cousteau | (btw, I would have sworn I'm using the Nvidia drivers, not the Intel ones; not sure why it says Intel) | 17:11 |
| tomreyn | no other graphics card seems to have been detected | 17:12 |
| tomreyn | you should install all the pending updates | 17:12 |
| cousteau | in fact I think this is one of those hybrid graphics cards, so probably Intel is muxing both cards | 17:12 |
| tomreyn | !uptodate | 17:12 |
| ubottu | To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. | 17:12 |
| tomreyn | try the last commend there: (sudo) apt full-upgrade | 17:13 |
| cousteau | this is quite up-to-date, as far as I know | 17:13 |
| tomreyn | *commAnd | 17:13 |
| tomreyn | Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS should say Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS by now | 17:13 |
| cousteau | oh | 17:13 |
| oerheks | use full-upgrade | 17:14 |
| tomreyn | and the kernel would be at -128 | 17:14 |
| cousteau | are you implying that the 302 MB of pending upgrades are a sign that I don't keep my system up to date as much as I claim to? | 17:14 |
| cousteau | (in other words: oopsie) | 17:14 |
| cousteau | in my defense, the program to remind me that I have pending updates has been failing lately | 17:15 |
| cousteau | (but all this "whole system freeze" issue has been there for a long time) | 17:16 |
| cousteau | re: my graphics card, nvidia-settings suggests that the Nvidia graphics card IS working | 17:17 |
| tomreyn | then my grep must have been bad | 17:18 |
| tomreyn | lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999 | 17:18 |
| oerheks | normally unattended updates works fine.. | 17:18 |
| cousteau | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16407/how-to-check-which-gpu-is-active-in-linux says to use `glxinfo|egrep "OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer"`, which says I'm using the NVIDIA one | 17:19 |
| cousteau | tomreyn, https://termbin.com/yym6l -- look under "3D controller" (cf. "VGA compatible controller") | 17:22 |
| cousteau | this is a laptop, by the way, in case that's relevant | 17:22 |
| cousteau | so I assume the graphics card is ONLY working as a 3D accelerator and not actually driving the VGA or HDMI or screen ports directly. I don't know how it works exactly. | 17:23 |
| cousteau | on my desktop PC I had a builtin graphics card with a VGA port on the motherboard, and then I installed a fancy graphics card which had its own VGA port and some other ports, and you had to plug a monitor on that new port for things to work. I don't know how this works on laptops, to be honest, and I probably should | 17:24 |
| tomreyn | "3D controller", okay, if they say so. | 17:24 |
| tomreyn | so it's a GeForce GTX 1050 Mobile (GP107M chipset, 10de:1c8d + 1b0a:2318), and indeed some proprietary nvidia driver is loaded for it. | 17:25 |
| mxns | tomreyn: it's not the specific protocol, I just want to be able to connect to my box and get a new GUI login session (without having to be logged in on the box) | 17:26 |
| mxns | some definitely need you to be logged in first and most are ambiguous | 17:26 |
| mxns | so I'm trying to figure out which ones would work for this purpose | 17:27 |
| tomreyn | cousteau: nvidia-driver-390 sounds really old to me, and this hardware sounds newer, but i'm not really much into nvidia. once you've full-upgrade'd, i'd go with the driver ubuntu-drivers suggests. | 17:27 |
| cousteau | hardware is: 2018 laptop (not exactly cutting edge) with an Nvidia Geforce GTX 1050 | 17:28 |
| spacefrog | that's pretty cutting edge | 17:28 |
| spacefrog | for linux | 17:28 |
| spacefrog | i have one with igpu :) | 17:28 |
| cousteau | I don't know how to use ubuntu-drivers :| | 17:28 |
| spacefrog | cousteau: in the software updates application, there's a section for additional drivers | 17:29 |
| cousteau | I was able to run software-properties-drivers easily though. But I guess it shouldn't be hard to learn how to use that command line tool | 17:29 |
| tomreyn | mxns: so x11vnc, but you'll need to WaylandEnable=no in gdm.conf for this to work for logging in. | 17:29 |
| spacefrog | that's where you would go to install them | 17:30 |
| mxns | tomreyn: ah, ok, cool, thanks :) | 17:30 |
| cousteau | spacefrog, yes, last time I checked, it suggested multiple versions of nvidia-driver | 17:30 |
| spacefrog | cousteau: just get the latest one suggeested | 17:30 |
| cousteau | and I had the 390 one even though higher numbers were available | 17:30 |
| cousteau | ok then! | 17:30 |
| tomreyn | cousteau: software-properties-gtk --open-tab 4 basically is the same tool as ubuntu-drivers | 17:31 |
| cousteau | if everything fails I can always reinstall the driver manually even if all I have is a tty because I broke all the graphics, I guess | 17:31 |
| spacefrog | you can always fall back on your integrated gfx | 17:31 |
| cousteau | why is my nvidia-settings version 440.something and my nvidia-driver- version 390 :( | 17:32 |
| cousteau | someone did something wrong in this PC... | 17:33 |
| spacefrog | cousteau: stick with whatever driver ubuntu suggests | 17:33 |
| spacefrog | doesn't matter what version, as long as it works | 17:33 |
| cousteau | ok | 17:33 |
| spacefrog | older drivers are not bad | 17:33 |
| cousteau | tomreyn, I guess software-properties-gtk is another name for software-properties-drivers | 17:33 |
| spacefrog | their advantage is that they have been on the market long enough to have bugs worked out | 17:34 |
| cousteau | ...wait, there's no "software-properties-drivers"; that's the name Kupfer decided to display for some reason | 17:34 |
| spacefrog | since i don't own nvidia gpus, i gotta ask. what's wrong with Nouveau? is it that bad? | 17:34 |
| tomreyn | cousteau: i'm not familiar with software-properties-drivers, yet, but i bet so - still using 18.04 here (where there is no such command) | 17:35 |
| cousteau | spacefrog, yes but I would guess that if my nvidia-settings version is 440 I should preferably use that driver version for the sake of compatibility | 17:35 |
| oerheks | nouveau is not bad, it just does not use all features of Nvidia | 17:35 |
| cousteau | tomreyn, oddly enough that command doesn't exist | 17:35 |
| oerheks | cousteau, in the meantime, did you properly update yet? | 17:35 |
| cousteau | oerheks, yes and no. I haven't rebooted yet. | 17:35 |
| spacefrog | cousteau: from what i recall, nvidia settings and the driver on linux, don't always match in version numbers | 17:36 |
| spacefrog | don't quote me on that | 17:36 |
| spacefrog | it's not like windows | 17:36 |
| spacefrog | again, it has been many years since i've used nvidia | 17:37 |
| spacefrog | so my info might be out of date | 17:37 |
| cousteau | personally I wish AMD GPUs got more traction... they seem nicer | 17:38 |
| spacefrog | my main desktop is AMD, it works in linux with no headaches | 17:38 |
| spacefrog | both cpu and gpu | 17:38 |
| cousteau | but there are things such as CUDA that are exclusive for Nvidia GPUs (and AFAIK some stuff such as TensorFlow doesn't work on alternatives such as OpenCL; it needs to be CUDA) | 17:38 |
| spacefrog | same for my intel laptops | 17:39 |
| spacefrog | cousteau: do you use those technologies? | 17:39 |
| cousteau | but I'll be honest here; I have never done anything with CUDA or OpenCL on this PC, and I probably won't | 17:39 |
| spacefrog | :)) | 17:39 |
| cousteau | I mean I *could* | 17:39 |
| cousteau | I'm an engineer after all, and kind of a nerd; having that possibility could come in handy | 17:40 |
| spacefrog | i'm sure you'll "use" them at some point ;) | 17:40 |
| cousteau | same as the possibility of having a Windows OS installed just in case I need to run a Windows-only program | 17:40 |
| spacefrog | windows is awesome, for gaming, not much else | 17:41 |
| cousteau | so I totally should install Windows here along with Linux... maybe I'll do that later | 17:41 |
| spacefrog | maybe MS Office | 17:41 |
| spacefrog | those 2 things | 17:41 |
| cousteau | Office works OK in Wine / PlayOnLinux | 17:41 |
| cousteau | with font support | 17:41 |
| spacefrog | yeah, no thanks | 17:42 |
| spacefrog | i can see how easy it is given your problems | 17:43 |
| spacefrog | especially on nvidia | 17:43 |
| cousteau | OpenOffice and LibreOffice don't achieve good compatibility with MS Office | 17:43 |
| spacefrog | it probably works fine on amd and intel | 17:43 |
| spacefrog | LO and OO are crap | 17:43 |
| cousteau | (feature-wise they're OK, but sometimes you NEED to do your stuff in ppt) | 17:43 |
| oerheks | this is more a flamewar than support issues .. | 17:44 |
| cousteau | nah, we're just sharing our opinions | 17:44 |
| cousteau | I have the opinion that MSO, OO and LO are all crap | 17:44 |
| cousteau | the three of them | 17:45 |
| cousteau | even since I haven't used OO in years | 17:45 |
| cousteau | I just have a prejudice that it's probably crap | 17:45 |
| spacefrog | oerheks: is right, there are other channels where these topics can be discussed | 17:45 |
| cousteau | oerheks, oh sorry, didn't get the hint for "stop with the damn offtopic" | 17:45 |
| oerheks | time to reboot, cousteau :-D | 17:46 |
| cousteau | yeah I was just thinking that :) | 17:46 |
| cousteau | I'll continue complaining about office alternatives later and in a more appropriate channel :) see you! | 17:47 |
| oerheks | have fun! | 17:47 |
| weskrasko | Hi all! I need help mounting a smb share to Ubuntu 20.04, is there a better channel? | 18:03 |
| oerheks | weskrasko, this is the right support channel, state your problem please | 18:04 |
| weskrasko | Well, I'm going nuts. ;) I have a usb drived plugged into my ASUS RT-AC87U router with a share "familyphotos" on it. I have my Macbook, Windows PC AND Ubuntu 20.04 connected to it (but only via the file browser on Ubuntu, not a permanent mount) | 18:07 |
| weskrasko | I just went to smb://192.168.x.x/familyphotos%20(at%20asshare)/ in the file browser, it popped up the credential modal which I filled out, bam, connected and browsing. | 18:09 |
| weskrasko | But, I have a gallery I wrote in my web server folder, I need to mount the share to a familyphotos directory in there. | 18:09 |
| weskrasko | No matter how I use "sudo mount -t cifs..." it says "No such file or directory" | 18:10 |
| weskrasko | Tried vers, sec, credentials (always of course), so many options and combos but it says it doesn't exist while in browser it works. | 18:11 |
| weskrasko | Only difference is the smb: but if I put that in I get a different error that "Mounting cifs URL not implemented yet" | 18:12 |
| oerheks | weskrasko, what router exactly? i think this is a tricky permission problem | 18:19 |
| weskrasko | SO, there's that. It's an ASUS RT-AC87U and originally I was only able to connect at all from Macbook and WIndows 10, because it only supported SMBv1 | 18:20 |
| weskrasko | I had to install "Merlin" firmware on the router, then I was able to connect from Ubuntu file browser with it set to "SMBv1+SMBv2" | 18:20 |
| weskrasko | I can also select ONLY SMBv2 if that might help but it's weird I can connect fine in Ubuntu file browser, just not using a mount command. | 18:21 |
| oerheks | ah, smb1 is depreciated? | 18:22 |
| weskrasko | Apparently yes, that was my first issue is Ubuntu 20.04 dropped SMBv1 | 18:23 |
| weskrasko | I mean, I guess I can try that first, set it to SMBv2 only, as long as my other computers still connect. | 18:23 |
| weskrasko | I'll see what happens. | 18:23 |
| oerheks | you should have the same problem with windows i guess ; https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/storage-at-microsoft/smb-is-dead-long-live-smb/ba-p/1185401 | 18:24 |
| oerheks | yes, blacklist smb1 | 18:24 |
| weskrasko | Oddly enough Macbook and Windows 10 both connected fine BEFORE Merlin, when it was only SMBv1 | 18:25 |
| luke-jr | I setup a bind mount of / into /mnt/root, but something keeps bind-mounting other stuff into the equivalent /mnt/root/… | 18:32 |
| luke-jr | what is doing that, and how can I stop it? | 18:32 |
| weskrasko | Ok, set router to SMBv2 only now, all 2 OS' still connect via. file browsers, still can't mount to folder, same issue. Only thing I notice is that when I booted Ubuntu before, went to "Other Locations", the router was showing, now I HAVE to go to the location box an put in smb://alltheotherstuff, and it re-asked for credentials even though I had set it to "remember forever". MacOS and Windows just connected after re | 18:34 |
| weskrasko | boot like it was never gone. | 18:34 |
| EriC^^ | luke-jr: what commands did you run | 18:39 |
| luke-jr | EriC^^: mount --bind / /mnt/root | 18:46 |
| cousteau | ok, software updated and rebooted! | 18:47 |
| EriC^^ | luke-jr: and which other stuff are being mount binded | 18:48 |
| cousteau | so... for some reason I couldn't get `software-properties-gtk` to print the driver info in English. I thought `LANG=C software-properties-gtk` would do the trick, but the content of the Additional Drivers tab is in Spanish for some reason | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | EriC^^: /mnt/net/* (sshfs mounts) | 18:50 |
| luke-jr | are being binded into /mnt/root/mnt/net/* | 18:50 |
| cousteau | oh, LANGUAGE=C | 18:50 |
| luke-jr | seems like the default mount type is shared instead of private or something | 18:50 |
| cousteau | ok this is weird. Since when is there a $LANGUAGE in addition to $LANG and $LC_*? | 18:50 |
| EriC^^ | luke-jr: aha i think that makes sense, i think mount bind doesnt actually mount anything (the fs), it just basically makes '/somefolder' located at '/anotherfolder' so anything under that dir tree would also be there | 18:51 |
| luke-jr | EriC^^: no.. every other distro, it provides access to just the one mount | 18:52 |
| luke-jr | the whole point of doing this is to backup the root without any other mounts on top of it | 18:52 |
| luke-jr | (there is a --rbind that does it recursively) | 18:53 |
| cousteau | ok so the Nvidia drivers I have are: {390,450} (proprietary), {418,440,450}-server (proprietary), 455 (proprietary, tested), and Nouveau (open source) | 18:54 |
| cousteau | from what I heard in a random YouTube video, the "server" version is probably for using the GPU exclusively for GPGPU, not for gaming and graphics and stuff | 18:55 |
| EriC^^ | luke-jr: ah i see | 18:55 |
| cousteau | I don't know what "tested" means (does it mean "yes it works, I tested it, promise... but use at your own risk", or more like "this is the tested and working driver version; use any other at your own risk"?) | 18:56 |
| cousteau | and I'm using the 390 one even though the 450 is available as well | 18:56 |
| cousteau | none of them claim to be the "recommended" ones | 18:56 |
| luke-jr | recommended -> use AMD GPU :P | 18:57 |
| cousteau | >:( | 18:57 |
| cousteau | ok first how am I expected to install one of those in a laptop | 18:57 |
| luke-jr | oh in that case I'd recommend getting one with only an Intel GPU ;) | 18:57 |
| cousteau | but gaming!!! | 18:58 |
| cousteau | (also, mayyyybe CUDA and TensorFlow stuff, as I said earlier... Maybe.) | 18:58 |
| luke-jr | pretty sure any modern GPU even Intel can handle any open source game ;) | 18:59 |
| cousteau | I also play non-open-source games | 18:59 |
| cousteau | and *gasp* ...commercial games too! | 18:59 |
| rurt91 | OMG you played a non open source game!!! | 18:59 |
| rurt91 | Stallman is gonna be up in arms about this! | 19:00 |
| cousteau | yes; I, an unredeemable open source nerd, have dared to actually pay money for a game! | 19:00 |
| weskrasko | Still going nuts here :( I found the router option "Simple share naming" and turned it on so now, by browser, I can connect with just smb://192.168.1.1/FamilyPhotos, but still the issue with mount not finding it. smbclient -L finds the share "FamilyPhotos" fine too. | 19:01 |
| luke-jr | cousteau: how about an open source commercial game? | 19:02 |
| cousteau | seriously though, I think that the fact that more and more companies are acknowledging the existence of Linux is a rather positive thing. But anyway, I've been too offtopic-y already. | 19:02 |
| cousteau | luke-jr, I honestly haven't figured out yet how something can be commercial and open source at the same time | 19:02 |
| luke-jr | simple, they only distribute it for money, but you get the code under a free license | 19:03 |
| cousteau | sounds easy to pirate | 19:03 |
| luke-jr | no easier than anything else | 19:04 |
| cousteau | weskrasko, weird; I would have thought that the router would only deal with machine names | 19:04 |
| cousteau | like smb://LivingRoomPC instead of smb://192.168.1.1 | 19:04 |
| cousteau | ...oh wait, it's the router the one that is sharing files, never mind | 19:04 |
| ygk_12345 | hi all | 19:07 |
| ygk_12345 | i am trying to install ubuntu 20.04 using pxe and kickstart files. but the installer is not picking up the ks files. can someone help me with this ? | 19:07 |
| rurt91 | Installing Ubuntu through net boot is a pain in the ass. | 19:08 |
| rurt91 | Why are you even doing it? | 19:08 |
| ygk_12345 | it is loading up the iso file and prompting a manual install | 19:08 |
| ygk_12345 | it is ignoring the ks entries in the default file | 19:08 |
| cousteau | tomreyn, any advice on which of the several Nvidia drivers to use? I have no idea why I'm using precisely the 390 one | 19:09 |
| cousteau | maybe that one happened to be the one available when I installed Ubuntu | 19:09 |
| ygk_12345 | can anyone help me ? | 19:12 |
| weskrasko | OMG I finally got it! Now with simple share naming AND vers=2.0, it worked! Now to just make it permanent... | 19:14 |
| saigel | Ubuntu server 18.04 with docker service installed. I've been successfully running docker-compose with several containers very successfully. Suddenly last week it stopped running. If I type "sudo service docker status", it shows me the status of the docker service (although it says, "deactivating"). But if I type "sudo service docker stop" or "sudo service docker start", the command just hangs. | 19:22 |
| saigel | How can I find out what is causing it to hang? | 19:22 |
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| === bildramer1 is now known as bildramer | ||
| bog3n | hello, I installed gnome-classic/flashback, and clock on my status bar isn't changing and it's stuck at 19:47 any ideas why? | 19:32 |
| spotter | anyone have any idea how to deal with loopback devices that wont detach | 19:35 |
| spotter | no longer mounted | 19:35 |
| spotter | umount was clean on them, not listed as mount | 19:35 |
| spotter | but wont detach | 19:35 |
| spotter | and losetup -d does nothing | 19:35 |
| BarnabasDK | spotter, sudo umount -f ? | 19:36 |
| spotter | its no longer mounted | 19:36 |
| spotter | it unmounted clean | 19:36 |
| BarnabasDK | be aware of the consequences | 19:36 |
| spotter | this was a read only iso mount | 19:36 |
| spotter | and as far as I can tell (lsof) nothing has the raw loop device opened besides the kernel process (i.e. [loop13]) handling the loopback | 19:38 |
| === johnny9973_ is now known as johnny9973 | ||
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| aaaaaa | Hi all. What WICD alternative exists? Ubuntu 20.04 doesn't support it anymore :( | 20:29 |
| aaaaaa | I want to connect to WiFis from CLI | 20:29 |
| Maik | https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-20-04-connect-to-wifi-from-command-line | 20:31 |
| aaaaaa | Maik: thanks | 20:31 |
| Maik | i hope its' helpful, just searched for it that's all ;) | 20:32 |
| aaaaaa | Maik: yeah, I should google before asking | 20:33 |
| Maik | np :) | 20:33 |
| WaV | Hello everyone. I'm trying to play a fairly old game (via wine) and I get an error while trying to run the game. I understand that it's not fully compatible with Linux, but was just wondering if anyone was able to decipher what I have going on to maybe get it going. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QgW7NZVgVV/ | 21:03 |
| oerheks | for wine games and apps, join #winehq | 21:03 |
| oerheks | !wine | 21:04 |
| ubottu | WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu | 21:04 |
| WaV | 10-4 thanks! | 21:04 |
| cousteau | WaV, how old is this game? maybe it's supported by ScummVM | 21:05 |
| oerheks | line #95 Platform: i386 (WOW64) ... | 21:05 |
| cousteau | or DOSBOX | 21:05 |
| oerheks | wow 64 bit in wine 32 bit? | 21:05 |
| WaV | cousteau: 1998 | 21:05 |
| WaV | oerheks: I'm pretty sure I "apt install"ed wine64, but obviously I could be wrong | 21:06 |
| cousteau | so it doesn't even run on Windows, only MS-DOS? because in that case I really recomend dosbox | 21:06 |
| cousteau | I mean if it's an MS-DOS game I'd go with dosbox | 21:06 |
| oerheks | well, good luck | 21:07 |
| WaV | oerheks: I'm not very optimistic about being able to play it to be honest. Asking in #winehq. Not sure that it matters, but the original game was made in 1998; however the version I'm trying to play is a port made in 2006 and is designed to run on Win2k/XP. | 21:11 |
| rurt91 | WaV: Why don't you try it in VirtualBox? | 21:12 |
| rurt91 | WaV: Dual booting can also be a good idea. | 21:12 |
| WaV | rurt91: I suppose VirtualBox is another option. | 21:13 |
| rurt91 | WaV: And some people said they got that game working with wine. | 21:13 |
| leftyfb | rurt91: recommending booting into Win2k/XP is not a good idea | 21:13 |
| rurt91 | leftyfb: He could dual boot in a newer Windows because it has good compatibility. | 21:14 |
| rurt91 | leftyfb: Also, theoretically it's a security risk, yes, but it'd in all likelihood just hurt your XP installation that you only use for games, not the rest of your system. | 21:14 |
| oerheks | check the wine manual, somewhere ther should be an option for xp/win2k .. you emulate win7 now.. | 21:14 |
| rurt91 | leftyfb: Also, this may be a controversial claim, but I don't think people running XP SP3 are going to get hacked unless they take the wrong actions like running a bad .exe, unless things have changed since I last checked. XP without SPs is another question. | 21:15 |
| woenx | Hi. I have a question, maybe somebody can give me an idea. I have small code on the .profile file (on the home folder) that is ran when the session starts. I use it to connect to a sshfs shared folder for each user. | 21:34 |
| woenx | It works quite well, however, if the laptop is not started in our home network, the script will ping the host several time, and until it finishes, the session won't start | 21:34 |
| woenx | is there a way to tell a script to not to wait for contents of .profile to finish? | 21:35 |
| woenx | Like: ok, you have to run this, but you can already start the session and you'll mount these shared folder as soon as they-re available | 21:35 |
| WaV | oerheks: I created a 32 bit WINE prefix and tried with 2k, xp, 98 and 95 compatibility, and all fail with similar results but at a different memory address than when I was executing within a 64 bit wine prefix. | 21:36 |
| WaV | Like I said, not very optimistic | 21:36 |
| matsaman | woenx: maybe just prepend 'timeout' | 21:37 |
| matsaman | woenx: or simply check which network is in use first | 21:38 |
| matsaman | or both | 21:38 |
| matsaman | WaV: what app? | 21:38 |
| woenx | sometimes the network can take a while to come up, this is why I retry that connection a few times | 21:38 |
| woenx | Mmm | 21:38 |
| matsaman | woenx: so when are you starting the script? | 21:38 |
| matsaman | woenx: there are places where it won't block your session from starting | 21:38 |
| matsaman | woenx: you said from ~/.bash_profile? | 21:39 |
| matsaman | woenx: perhaps ~/.config/autostart/ would be more appropriate | 21:39 |
| woenx | what about putting the code in another .sh file, and forking it? | 21:39 |
| matsaman | woenx: will you ever need it outside of X? | 21:39 |
| woenx | matsaman I used the .profile file | 21:39 |
| woenx | Mmm, yes, it would be handy even in text mode | 21:39 |
| matsaman | maybe you can just background it, then | 21:40 |
| matsaman | nohup foo & | 21:40 |
| WaV | matsaman: a game. Biohazard 2 (The sourcenext port) | 21:40 |
| woenx | I mean, it's quite simple, it pings the server a few times, and when it's ready, it runs a sshfs command | 21:40 |
| woenx | what is nohup? | 21:41 |
| matsaman | WaV: aka Resident Evil 2? | 21:41 |
| WaV | yessir | 21:41 |
| WaV | matsaman: ^ | 21:41 |
| matsaman | woenx: try it: nohup path/to/script & | 21:42 |
| woenx | nohup - run a command immune to hangups, with output to a non-tty | 21:42 |
| woenx | Mmmm | 21:42 |
| woenx | what do you mean, if i finish the session, the script will still run? | 21:43 |
| matsaman | WaV: what's not working? What error manifests? | 21:44 |
| matsaman | woenx: it's a comman way to get non-blocking backgrounded scripts | 21:44 |
| woenx | oh, ok | 21:44 |
| WaV | matsaman: Well at first, I was trying to run it within a 64bit Wine prefix and this is what happened: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QgW7NZVgVV/ | 21:44 |
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| WaV | matsaman: now I created a 32 bit Wine prefix with various compatibility modes (2k/xp etc) with similar crash results but at different memory addresses. | 21:45 |
| matsaman | WaV: I wonder if it'd be simpler to play this in a PSX emulator | 21:46 |
| matsaman | or n64, etc. | 21:46 |
| WaV | matsaman: Probably would, but this version has advantages over console versions | 21:47 |
| matsaman | can't get sourcenext for console? | 21:47 |
| WaV | ... If it works, lol. | 21:47 |
| WaV | Good question | 21:48 |
| matsaman | dunno | 21:48 |
| matsaman | Wikipedia does say it was for Windows XP | 21:48 |
| matsaman | well no | 21:48 |
| matsaman | it says Windows XP compatible | 21:48 |
| matsaman | under a 'dualshock' header, so it could've been for both PSX & XP | 21:48 |
| matsaman | WaV: anyway, what's the Windows XP 32-bit Wine error? | 21:49 |
| woenx | does anyone have tried to pack wine within an appimage, so we could have ready to run programs (like picasa, office, photoshop, etc)? | 21:50 |
| matsaman | I mean, when you know how to do that for a particular win32 app, then you also know how to do it with a simple script | 21:52 |
| matsaman | plus you'd still have to deal with stuff outside the appimage | 21:53 |
| matsaman | because the apps you're talking about are largely illegal to redistribute | 21:53 |
| woenx | the thing is that some apps are very difficult to run in wine, and from time to time there is someone who claims to made it work with some version of wine and some weird configuration | 21:54 |
| woenx | if we could pack that version and that configuration within an appimage, we could have that app ready to go | 21:54 |
| woenx | but I guess that would be just plain piracy | 21:54 |
| matsaman | I mean, that's really not any different than just a tarball of the Wine local directory | 21:55 |
| matsaman | no need for an appimage, although I guess if you were already using appimage for everything it'd be no big deal | 21:55 |
| oerheks | playonlinux, is an alternative for wine scripts | 21:55 |
| oerheks | anyway, support for wine is strictly in #winehq | 21:55 |
| woenx | Yes, I use it, but most of the time the scripts just fail | 21:55 |
| matsaman | because it's wine scripts... | 21:56 |
| ogra | there are plenty of snap packages in the store combining apps with wine ... | 21:56 |
| matsaman | I'm sure adding more complexity will solve the problem =P | 21:56 |
| oerheks | ogra, indeed, and it should be warned for | 21:56 |
| ogra | (and it is actually not very hard to package that (i did IExplorer as a fingertraining once)) | 21:57 |
| ogra | why ? | 21:57 |
| matsaman | what's a fingertraining? | 21:57 |
| ogra | as long as the apps are distributable it is absolurely fine | 21:57 |
| ogra | matsaman, "tryining something out" | 21:58 |
| ogra | i could have said "proof of concept" as well 🙂 | 21:58 |
| ogra | in any case this is the perfect use case fr snaps ... look at the snapcraft forum, there are penty of examples of people snapping wine things | 21:59 |
| WaV | matsaman: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pV93fX6Mcq/ | 22:00 |
| matsaman | ogra: k thanks | 22:01 |
| matsaman | WaV: same error for 64-bit and 32? | 22:02 |
| oerheks | What amkes you think it is an ubunt support issue? | 22:03 |
| matsaman | WaV: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/ajyx51/resident_evil_2_playable_with_the_latest_dxvk_and/ef0pqem/ ? | 22:04 |
| WaV | oerheks: I don't believe it is. matsaman was asking what I was experiencing, and I was letting him know. | 22:05 |
| woenx | are we talking about the original RE2 or the remake? | 22:07 |
| WaV | woenx: og | 22:07 |
| woenx | why don't you just run an emulator? | 22:07 |
| WaV | That's probably what I'll end up doing if this doesn't work out. I'd prefer this one if possible though as there are a couple benefits over console versions. | 22:08 |
| WaV | matsaman: That reddit article appears to be for the remake. Different game. | 22:11 |
| WaV | It's all good guys. I feel like I'm stepping on toes at this point. | 22:12 |
| matsaman | guess that depends on what number of toes oerheks has | 22:12 |
| TheGallopingFox | hello | 23:07 |
| TheGallopingFox | i love the ubuntu podcasts! | 23:07 |
| TheGallopingFox | coming from a slackware user | 23:07 |
| TheGallopingFox | funny characters | 23:08 |
| oerheks | !yay | 23:12 |
| ubottu | Glad you made it! :-) | 23:12 |
| TheGallopingFox | probably shouldnt spam, doing live goa 90s trance set running on slackware | 23:13 |
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| TheGallopingFox | creative spam | 23:13 |
| TheGallopingFox | running on open source software :) | 23:13 |
| oerheks | show that in #ubuntu-offtopic please, this is support only | 23:14 |
| TheGallopingFox | ok will go there | 23:14 |
| TheGallopingFox | dont want to annoy you im drunk | 23:14 |
| TheGallopingFox | a drunk geek | 23:14 |
| oerheks | np, don't drink and sudo | 23:14 |
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| isapgswell | why hybrid(nvidia) mode is so bad in ubuntu | 23:43 |
| isapgswell | ? | 23:43 |
| coke | amd opensourced their drivers nvidia didnt .. | 23:51 |
| isapgswell | coke yes, it is bad thing | 23:51 |
| oerheks | nobody can seriously answer, without proper details | 23:51 |
| isapgswell | oerheks i was thinking my gdm crashed, but no | 23:52 |
| isapgswell | oerheks performance mode works great | 23:52 |
| isapgswell | oerheks powersave no hdmi connection | 23:53 |
| isapgswell | oerheks and on-demand(hybrid) poor performance | 23:53 |
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