=== PowerTower_121 is now known as PowerTower_120 === tds3 is now known as tds [01:07] Anyone know of an open source equivalent or alternative for MS Project? [01:07] I see ProjectLibre but I don't know of a soul who's ever used it. [01:08] http://live.gnome.org/Planner perhaps? it's packaged as 'planner' [01:08] but likewise I don't know anyone who's used it [01:08] 'apt-cache search gantt' will show a bunch of things that are likely candidates [01:09] gotcha ... thanks sarnold [01:46] is there a reason why my screen tears (mostly in browsing) when i have 2 external monitors connected to my laptop? [01:46] i'mi using intel gfx no amd or nvidia hybrid stuff [01:47] i noticed the issue happening on both LTS and latest release [02:00] spacefrog: what is screen "tear"? [02:02] rjwiii: please look up the verb tear in Google search [02:02] I need to turn ubuntu 18 machine to router. It will get "WAN" from wifi and the client will be on wired ethernet. Any guides/tutorials how to do it? [02:05] Jadax just use ipFire or pfsense [02:06] this is temporary setup, spacefrog [02:06] I don't want to wipe out that machine [02:06] jadax: there's some notes on https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/security-firewall that might be helpful [02:21] I wish there was some one-liner or some package to make it easy and smooth on/off type of functionality [02:21] I'll try to follow instructions from your link, sarnold [02:22] jadax: heh, the "easy and smooth" thing is probably something more like pfsense :) [02:22] jadax: maybe swap hard drives? [02:22] I don't want to make it too big of a project, it's temporary only [02:22] I guess I'll learn something trying to set it up too === de-facto_ is now known as de-facto === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [03:16] i am trying to enable a service through chkconfig so that it can sustain restarts [03:17] i use ubuntu xenial 16.04 [03:36] Guest20, I think chkconfig is for RHEL/CentOS systems [03:36] Guest20, what you're probably looking for is systemctl (btw, it works on both Debian and RH-based systems) [03:36] systemctl enable teleport? === gabkdlly_ is now known as gabkdlly === raccoon_dog is now known as xmas_raccoondog [05:20] dum, de dum dum, its thursday before the weeeekend :) woooo [05:21] good ole Thor's day === devnull_ is now known as Guest93964 [05:29] After booting Ubuntu, I see my icons on the left side; harddisk icons and applications. Then another harddisk icon always pops up - and disappears again. It looks suspecious. But is there any explanation? [05:43] mr_lou: Canonical [06:19] guys help [06:23] my printer only works 25% of the time [06:29] mozzarella: throw it away [06:29] matsaman: ubuntu is the one that should be t hrown away [06:31] by the time you get working your ink will be dried out lols and the firmware will tell you its end of life rolf [06:32] used my home print once every 8months dam they die quick these days [06:33] you want to print at least something, weekly [06:33] right will keep that in mind for the next one [06:33] ty [06:34] mozzarella: nonsense [06:34] consumer printers are utter trash [06:34] and that includes printers up to thousands of dollars in cost [06:39] do the printers for business suffer the same firmware problems causing an early death? [06:42] loxie: up to thousands of dollars, yes [06:45] Is there a version of Ubuntu I can download to run in Parallels on my new laptop? (I've got an M1) [06:52] arahael: probably doesn't matter which version of Ubuntu you use, since it'll be virtualized anyway [06:53] matsaman: It does matter, as it's only virtualisation, not emulation, so I need the correct build and can't use an intel version. [06:54] weird [06:54] there are ARM builds of Ubuntu [06:54] Just found that the "server" variants support ARM, I was looking at teh desktop versions. [06:54] that would be the general arch [06:55] Debian probably has more ARM dist builds [06:55] Yeah, neither arm64 nor armhf work. [06:55] Debian is my first pick, generally. [06:55] well working is going to be Parallels' end [06:55] Indeed, I've already sent them a feedback report about that. [06:57] maybe it has to be 64-bit arm strictly [06:57] Hmm? [06:58] Ok, Ubuntu's ARM image doesn't work either. :( [06:59] arahael: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ubuntu-linux-virtualized-on-m1-success.2270365/ [06:59] this is only from November, so [06:59] might be a little while before things are straightforward [07:00] not Parallels, though [07:00] I've read QEMU is already working, too [07:00] Yeah. I wonder if this thing has only been tested so far with Windwos. [07:01] even though it can be pretty intolerable, technically there is nothing much missing on macOS from GNU/Linux [07:01] you're just stuck with one of the crappy package managers available is all [07:04] Not that crappy, I mean, there's macports, homewbrew, etal. [07:05] I mean there are those two, and nix if you want to consider it one, yes === Tabstar is now known as Tabmow [07:05] all of which suck =) [07:10] Heh, there is that. === Grldfrdom_ is now known as Grldfrdom === Grldfrdom is now known as Grldfrdom_ === sauvin is now known as Hadrosaur === Napsterbater_ is now known as Napsterbater === Hadrosaur is now known as Sauvin [08:47] Is there cleaner than this to convert a list of strings to lowercase: [08:47] L = list(map(str.lower, L)) [08:48] i always wonder about list(map( , isn't there better? [09:31] one of my laptops with 20.04 has been freezing up randomly - completely unresponsive - image is still on the screen but no response to mouse/keyboard etc ... I am going to hard reset it, but I would like to know what steps I can take to find out what's causing the system crashing like this [09:45] holla, I'm using latest ubuntu 20 LTS on my dell precision 7510, when it is connected to the internet through wifi I can't re-connect after I suspend the system unless I turn off the wifi and turn it on again. [09:47] I'm not sure if it is specific to my machine or a known issue for this series [10:09] xtron: wich kernel are you on? [10:09] 5.4.0-56-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP [10:10] xtron: can you try update system to -58 see if your issue persist first? [10:10] is there any expected fix for this issue in -58 version? [10:12] I found a work around, which restarts the network manager everytime system come back form suspend: https://letsfoss.com/fix-wifi-not-working-after-suspend-in-ubuntu/ [10:12] xtron: to debug ubuntu issues, we reccomend to update system to latest first, so we can rule out its not a previous kernel issue [10:17] -56 is the latest kernel I can upgrade to, using apt command [10:18] !uptodate | xtron [10:18] xtron: To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. [10:18] !info linux-image-generic focal [10:18] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4.0.58.61 (focal), package size 2 kB, installed size 18 kB [10:26] linux-image-generic is already at -58 [10:27] hey, total newbie here... i have got vino running on ubuntu 20.4 so i can view the desktop from my windows pc, but the connection is not encrypted. How can I do that? Ive tried some guides online but none work for me [10:29] Does anyone else find the non LTS versions to be somewhat buggy and crashy? [10:59] is there a graphical way to monitor disk activity? [11:21] lesshaste: yes, wmhdplop can do so [11:22] oh thanks! I had never heard of that [11:22] it works best with windowmaker as window manager [11:22] lesshaste: stacer has also some GUI things history and total usage etc [11:22] "Yet another stupid dockapp which may improve your productivity. Or not." :) [11:22] bestest description! [11:23] lotuspsychje, thanks. I am mostly trying to work out why my PC freezes [11:23] lesshaste: tried inspecting dmesg -T outputs and memtester yet? [11:23] lesshaste: wich kernel are you on? [11:23] lesshaste: it's not overheating if you look inside, or run "sensors"? [11:23] 5.4.0-56-generic [11:23] update to latest lesshaste [11:24] lotuspsychje, that is the latest for 20.04 I think [11:24] -58 [11:25] tarzeau, this is dmesg -T https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gbqxQtCwXY/ [11:25] do you see anything relating to freezing? [11:25] lesshaste: when it crashed :) and |grep -v audit [11:25] lesshaste: no, you'd have to look through older dmesg outpot, /var/log/syslog [11:26] lesshaste: last output might give times to check for [11:26] ok thanks.. I am a bit sad as I got rid of my old pc assuming it was a hardware failure and bought a new one [11:27] lotuspsychje, sudo apt upgrade doesn't offer me -58 [11:27] !info linux-image-generic focal [11:27] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4.0.58.61 (focal), package size 2 kB, installed size 18 kB === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 [12:07] Hi folks === Swant is now known as Swant|candyeatin === Swant|candyeatin is now known as Swant [13:29] moshi moshi [13:29] SerialSmile: hello [13:31] oi [13:31] hi vivekp [13:32] BluesKaj: ok === vivekp is now known as prinned === vivekp1 is now known as prinned === wodencafe is now known as wodencafemwaaa === wodencafemwaaa is now known as wodencafe [13:59] hi, so i have a file witha lot of lines, and i want to remove all characters after a certain pattern, how can i do this? (using either vim or bash, awk or │ ajb [13:59] │ | any of the other common tools) [14:00] 2 i have a file pattern that follows; recup_dir./ and after that theres a semicolumn and other random stuff [14:00] i want to remove those semicolumns and all characters on the line after that [14:00] any tips on how to achieve this? [14:13] Run vim file Inside Vim run :%s/;.*// followed by :wq [14:14] alternative: sed 's/;.*//' file > tmp && mv tmp file [14:21] dexter: [14:28] osse: [14:28] dexter: [14:30] i updated my netplan yaml to use dhcp dns and i was able to verify through systemd-resolve --status that network dns is updated but i can't to ping. other clients on dhcp has connectivity and can ping without an issue [14:33] https://pastebin.com/CS5KBa3M [14:37] disregard the last paste. this is one is correct to current settings https://pastebin.com/Q20Mmnry [14:46] foureight84: what version of ubuntu? Desktop or server? [14:46] 20.04.1 server [14:47] foureight84: can you ping other clients? === tehaugz is now known as augz [14:47] i can ping other clients [14:47] foureight84: can you ping the gateway? [14:48] but only by ip and not hostname. doesn't seem that name server is resolving [14:48] yes i can ping gateway [14:49] foureight84: is the ip of the gateway the nameserver being given out via DHCP? [14:49] it is not. gateway dhcp server advertises pihole dns [14:49] and on the pihole i have conditional forwarding setup for dns matching local domain [14:49] foureight84: can you ping the ip of the pihole? [14:50] which goes back to gateway which has it's own static dns [14:50] yes. i can ping pihole [14:50] foureight84: run: host google.com [14:50] ohh wait! i can't ping piehole [14:50] pihole* [14:50] ok, then that is problem #1 [14:51] pihole is 192.168.1.4 [14:51] which is what the gateway is advertising [14:52] hmm okay let me add more details then. so pihole is currently running on a docker instance of this ubuntu server. pihole is also on macvlan [14:53] and i'm trying to have this ubuntu host use router dhcp dns which is pihole [14:54] so when i ping 192.168.1.4 (pihole) it resolves to 192.168.1.5 (ubuntu) which then doesn't respond [14:54] wait nvm scratch that last comment. that's not correct [14:55] 192.168.1.4 (pihole) does not reply to ping from 192.168.1.5 (ubuntu) [14:56] i will look into macvlan then. seems like that's the issue and not netplan at all [14:56] foureight84: looks like you now know where to start troubleshooting. Let us known when you get to a point where you need help [14:56] i probably have a bad setup or missing something [14:56] Hi, question about disk migration: I'd like to migrate Ubuntu 20.04 LTS from HDD to a SSD of the same size. What's the best way to do so? I'm using LUKS disk encryption of the rootfs (without LVM). More specifically, do I have to manually enable any options to enable the TRIM operations? Does the dm-crypt crypttab need a "discard" option or is the systemd-controlled fstrim job enough? [14:56] thanks leftyfb [14:56] repulse: try dd or clonezilla [14:57] leftyfb: but dd will write the whole partition including the encrypted free space. How do I then signal that this free space needs to be trimmed? [14:58] repulse: SSD trim is an aspect of the SSD hardware, not the filesystem [14:58] the file system has to signal to the SSD firmware which sectors are free. This happens only to sectors whose files have been deleted, not the entire free space range. [14:59] ahh okay i see.. "In Macvlan you are not able to ping or communicate with the default namespace IP address" [14:59] so, if I use dd to write to SSD, the disk will consider the written blocks in use, even if they contain unencrypted free space, yes? [14:59] encrypted* [14:59] repulse: crypttab has a "discard" option [15:00] TJ-: does it enable continuous trim? [15:00] afaik I don't want that one [15:00] repulse: see "man crypttab" for a discussion on pros and cons [15:04] how is the crypttab discard option different from the fstab one? [15:04] I'm confused about this one [15:08] can someone package maintainer of #chromium update to latest ? since live chat on youtube is disabled and also recaptha [15:09] Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS \n \l [15:12] even showup.tv complaining about recaptha [15:31] sometimes during disk IO operations like when upgrading packages, the whole system freezes for many seconds; this is something new that didn't happen before; what could be the issue? [15:34] ice9: physical media errors, bus bandwidth, cpu cycle or memory depletion [15:35] interrupts, too [15:35] start by looking at your logs, journalctl -b [15:36] tomreyn, no IO errors [15:36] no media sense errors either? [15:36] tomreyn, no [15:36] what else? [15:36] tomreyn, just normal journal log but nothing related to IO [15:37] which hardware is this, which firmware, which kernel, wich ubuntu release? [15:39] tomreyn, it's ubuntu 20.04 with the latest repo updates on acer laptop; what firmware do you mean? [15:39] imean the output of journalctl -b | grep DMI [15:39] imean the output of journalctl -b | grep DMI: [15:39] ^ this rather [15:40] tomreyn, https://bpa.st/EXGQ [15:41] but you're saying this started happening somewhat recently, so it's probably not due to a firmware change, unless this happened automatically [15:41] the firmware hasn't been updated since years [15:41] so,yes, 2017 bios, this wont be related [15:41] did you run smartctl -a against the storages, yet? [15:42] inspect the relevant properties to ensure it's not because of the disks dying. [15:42] !smart [15:42] smart is Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology, a monitoring system for hard drives. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools [15:43] tomreyn, https://bpa.st/QU4Q [15:44] this disk seems to be fine. do you have others? [15:45] tomreyn, I got a NVME disk [15:46] so run it against that as well [15:46] how mch ram is installed, how much in use? [15:47] tomreyn, 8GB RAM, 4GB available; https://bpa.st/NFWQ [15:47] how full are those file systems which are mounted by ubuntu? [15:48] about 65% used in both disks [15:49] file systems, not disks [15:49] df -h && df -hi [15:51] tomreyn, https://bpa.st/WD5A [15:51] ice9: which kernel version? [15:53] cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline [15:55] tomreyn, kernel 5.4 [15:58] ice9: and what's the output of this? L=$(echo SSB3aWxsIG5vdCBmYWxzZWx5IGNsYWltIHRvIHJ1biBVYnVudHUgYWdhaW4gd2hlbiBJIGFtIHJlYWxseSBydW5uaW5nIEFyY2guCg== | base64 -d); while true; do echo $L; done [15:59] tomreyn, is that a shellcode :D ?? what does it should do? [16:00] Hey guys, I'm running UoARM and I'm getting segfaults when running curl or wget. Would anyone know how I can investigate this? [16:00] specifically when trying to access https://downloads.plex.tv/plex-keys/PlexSign.key [16:03] When i change config of grub inside /etc/default/grub ## to a removed "quite splash". Do i then have to update grub with update-grub or update-grub2? [16:03] Where would be a good place to report this? [16:14] flying_sausages: if those are ubuntu packages, for the very release you're on, and your system doesn't have hardware problems causing those, and the system is fully up to date, then you can use the standard utility for this purpose. [16:15] is there a way to have remote desktop where you don't have to be logged in first? [16:15] !bug | flying_sausages [16:15] flying_sausages: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [16:15] Hey guys, trying to figure out why i get "bash: -c: option requires an argument" when formatting commands like https://gist.github.com/dragonpiper/92a6bdf940b817184b7fff88775384f4 [16:15] tomreyn: sorry what is the standard utility? I'm on CLI [16:16] flying_sausages: see what ubottu told you [16:17] `ubuntu-bug` I'm assuming [16:18] how am I supposed to get apport to make the crash file on the CLI? [16:18] I'm running headless... [16:20] I'll just file this on launchapd i guess thanks [16:24] flying_sausages: normally, i'd expect apport to create the .crash file automatically. i don't know whether this is maybe disabled on arm to decrease reports on this platform / decrease computation. [16:27] flying_sausages: if you'll file it manually, you can (and should) run apport-collect BUGID later (replacing BUGID by the ID of the bug you filed) [16:29] mxns: if, by "remote desktop", you are referring to microsofts' RDP protocol, then i think there is x11rdp for this prupose. otherwise, you'd probably use x11vnc [16:30] C0nundrum: add two dashes, separated by spaces, before "bash" [16:33] ice9: i don't know how often we need to tell you that you're not entitled to support on this channel if you're not running ubuntu. apparently you have no sense of where abuse starts. [16:39] Firefox is immortal! [16:39] I can't kill firefox [16:39] not even killall -KILL firefox [16:40] is it running in another workspace? [16:40] don't fight it, I mean: are you *sure* you want to mess with an undead carnivore known for hunting its prey silently? [16:40] (sorry, I couldn't resist making the joke) [16:40] all windows were effectively closed when I ran xkill and clicked one of the windows, but the process is still active and using 100% of one CPU [16:41] tribaal, I mean, not like "Firefox is immortal!" wasn't asking for a funny reply :) [16:42] cousteau: I *totally* agree :) [16:42] maybe I need to kill "Web Content" before? [16:42] maybe try to kill -9 the parent process? [16:43] no but seriously, why is `killall -KILL firefox` and `kill -9 1777` not working? [16:43] that usually terminates with extreme prejudice [16:43] that is surprising indeed [16:43] hm, what is the parent process? I would have expected it was this `firefox` guy [16:43] yeah yeah that's what I meant [16:43] so if that's not working... I don't know [16:44] what was this program that displayed all processes as a tree? [16:44] "ps faux" is my goto [16:44] ...can someone google "how to kill firefox" for me? My browser is kinda not cooperating :) [16:44] oh wait, I have Chrome as well [16:45] tomreyn, i'm having this issue on Ubuntu system, what makes you think it's another disro? [16:45] it's probably some WebContent process thats hogging your CPU [16:45] cousteau: ^ [16:46] tribaal, ok I did that. It says that [firefox] descends directly from xfce4-panel :( [16:46] like, do I kill the panel, or what? [16:46] ice9: at least some of the output you posted was from a different linux distro. and thi sisn't the first time. [16:47] honestly at this point I'd just reboot :) [16:47] it's not going to help diagnose why - for sure. [16:47] ice9: we can discuss this more in #ubuntu-offtopic, if you like [16:47] damn, I suspect it's this Firefox the one that is causing all my late troubles === devnull_ is now known as Guest10050 [16:48] I'm often getting kernel oopses due to one "Web Content" process [16:48] (and a graphics driver from a company that doesn't know how to write drivers) [16:49] btw, which Nvidia driver do you recommend me? I have nvidia-driver-390, but I see more drivers available in software-proprietary-drivers [16:50] er, software-properties-drivers [16:50] this depends on your ubuntu release and graphics card model. [16:53] ok, where should I look this up for myself? Honestly I don't know why I have this specific driver version installed [16:55] lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version,cmdline}; lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA [16:56] !paste [16:56] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:57] tomreyn, let me reboot this real quick [17:02] So I couldn't reboot my computer normally (pressing the power button and clicking "Reboot"), and then the PC wouldn't even let me go there (saying something about the power manager being busy or something) [17:02] so I Ctrl-Alt-F1'd to try to `sudo reboot now` [17:02] aaand frozen [17:03] but at least I could Alt-SysRq-RSEISUB (sometimes not even that works, no idea why) [17:03] after rebooting and opening Firefox, I seem to have lost some/several cookies (my Gmail logins had disappeared, for instance) [17:04] not a great loss, but well, something clearly happened === denningsrogue9 is now known as denningsrogue [17:05] ...yep, I seem to have been logged out of EVERY site I had open :| Weird. [17:08] But it did preserve all my open tabs, settings, etc [17:11] tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6R27z5pPQb/ [17:11] (btw, I would have sworn I'm using the Nvidia drivers, not the Intel ones; not sure why it says Intel) [17:12] no other graphics card seems to have been detected [17:12] you should install all the pending updates [17:12] in fact I think this is one of those hybrid graphics cards, so probably Intel is muxing both cards [17:12] !uptodate [17:12] To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. [17:13] try the last commend there: (sudo) apt full-upgrade [17:13] this is quite up-to-date, as far as I know [17:13] *commAnd [17:13] Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS should say Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS by now [17:13] oh [17:14] use full-upgrade [17:14] and the kernel would be at -128 [17:14] are you implying that the 302 MB of pending upgrades are a sign that I don't keep my system up to date as much as I claim to? [17:14] (in other words: oopsie) [17:15] in my defense, the program to remind me that I have pending updates has been failing lately [17:16] (but all this "whole system freeze" issue has been there for a long time) [17:17] re: my graphics card, nvidia-settings suggests that the Nvidia graphics card IS working [17:18] then my grep must have been bad [17:18] lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999 [17:18] normally unattended updates works fine.. [17:19] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16407/how-to-check-which-gpu-is-active-in-linux says to use `glxinfo|egrep "OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer"`, which says I'm using the NVIDIA one [17:22] tomreyn, https://termbin.com/yym6l -- look under "3D controller" (cf. "VGA compatible controller") [17:22] this is a laptop, by the way, in case that's relevant [17:23] so I assume the graphics card is ONLY working as a 3D accelerator and not actually driving the VGA or HDMI or screen ports directly. I don't know how it works exactly. [17:24] on my desktop PC I had a builtin graphics card with a VGA port on the motherboard, and then I installed a fancy graphics card which had its own VGA port and some other ports, and you had to plug a monitor on that new port for things to work. I don't know how this works on laptops, to be honest, and I probably should [17:24] "3D controller", okay, if they say so. [17:25] so it's a GeForce GTX 1050 Mobile (GP107M chipset, 10de:1c8d + 1b0a:2318), and indeed some proprietary nvidia driver is loaded for it. [17:26] tomreyn: it's not the specific protocol, I just want to be able to connect to my box and get a new GUI login session (without having to be logged in on the box) [17:26] some definitely need you to be logged in first and most are ambiguous [17:27] so I'm trying to figure out which ones would work for this purpose [17:27] cousteau: nvidia-driver-390 sounds really old to me, and this hardware sounds newer, but i'm not really much into nvidia. once you've full-upgrade'd, i'd go with the driver ubuntu-drivers suggests. [17:28] hardware is: 2018 laptop (not exactly cutting edge) with an Nvidia Geforce GTX 1050 [17:28] that's pretty cutting edge [17:28] for linux [17:28] i have one with igpu :) [17:28] I don't know how to use ubuntu-drivers :| [17:29] cousteau: in the software updates application, there's a section for additional drivers [17:29] I was able to run software-properties-drivers easily though. But I guess it shouldn't be hard to learn how to use that command line tool [17:29] mxns: so x11vnc, but you'll need to WaylandEnable=no in gdm.conf for this to work for logging in. [17:30] that's where you would go to install them [17:30] tomreyn: ah, ok, cool, thanks :) [17:30] spacefrog, yes, last time I checked, it suggested multiple versions of nvidia-driver [17:30] cousteau: just get the latest one suggeested [17:30] and I had the 390 one even though higher numbers were available [17:30] ok then! [17:31] cousteau: software-properties-gtk --open-tab 4 basically is the same tool as ubuntu-drivers [17:31] if everything fails I can always reinstall the driver manually even if all I have is a tty because I broke all the graphics, I guess [17:31] you can always fall back on your integrated gfx [17:32] why is my nvidia-settings version 440.something and my nvidia-driver- version 390 :( [17:33] someone did something wrong in this PC... [17:33] cousteau: stick with whatever driver ubuntu suggests [17:33] doesn't matter what version, as long as it works [17:33] ok [17:33] older drivers are not bad [17:33] tomreyn, I guess software-properties-gtk is another name for software-properties-drivers [17:34] their advantage is that they have been on the market long enough to have bugs worked out [17:34] ...wait, there's no "software-properties-drivers"; that's the name Kupfer decided to display for some reason [17:34] since i don't own nvidia gpus, i gotta ask. what's wrong with Nouveau? is it that bad? [17:35] cousteau: i'm not familiar with software-properties-drivers, yet, but i bet so - still using 18.04 here (where there is no such command) [17:35] spacefrog, yes but I would guess that if my nvidia-settings version is 440 I should preferably use that driver version for the sake of compatibility [17:35] nouveau is not bad, it just does not use all features of Nvidia [17:35] tomreyn, oddly enough that command doesn't exist [17:35] cousteau, in the meantime, did you properly update yet? [17:35] oerheks, yes and no. I haven't rebooted yet. [17:36] cousteau: from what i recall, nvidia settings and the driver on linux, don't always match in version numbers [17:36] don't quote me on that [17:36] it's not like windows [17:37] again, it has been many years since i've used nvidia [17:37] so my info might be out of date [17:38] personally I wish AMD GPUs got more traction... they seem nicer [17:38] my main desktop is AMD, it works in linux with no headaches [17:38] both cpu and gpu [17:38] but there are things such as CUDA that are exclusive for Nvidia GPUs (and AFAIK some stuff such as TensorFlow doesn't work on alternatives such as OpenCL; it needs to be CUDA) [17:39] same for my intel laptops [17:39] cousteau: do you use those technologies? [17:39] but I'll be honest here; I have never done anything with CUDA or OpenCL on this PC, and I probably won't [17:39] :)) [17:39] I mean I *could* [17:40] I'm an engineer after all, and kind of a nerd; having that possibility could come in handy [17:40] i'm sure you'll "use" them at some point ;) [17:40] same as the possibility of having a Windows OS installed just in case I need to run a Windows-only program [17:41] windows is awesome, for gaming, not much else [17:41] so I totally should install Windows here along with Linux... maybe I'll do that later [17:41] maybe MS Office [17:41] those 2 things [17:41] Office works OK in Wine / PlayOnLinux [17:41] with font support [17:42] yeah, no thanks [17:43] i can see how easy it is given your problems [17:43] especially on nvidia [17:43] OpenOffice and LibreOffice don't achieve good compatibility with MS Office [17:43] it probably works fine on amd and intel [17:43] LO and OO are crap [17:43] (feature-wise they're OK, but sometimes you NEED to do your stuff in ppt) [17:44] this is more a flamewar than support issues .. [17:44] nah, we're just sharing our opinions [17:44] I have the opinion that MSO, OO and LO are all crap [17:45] the three of them [17:45] even since I haven't used OO in years [17:45] I just have a prejudice that it's probably crap [17:45] oerheks: is right, there are other channels where these topics can be discussed [17:45] oerheks, oh sorry, didn't get the hint for "stop with the damn offtopic" [17:46] time to reboot, cousteau :-D [17:46] yeah I was just thinking that :) [17:47] I'll continue complaining about office alternatives later and in a more appropriate channel :) see you! [17:47] have fun! [18:03] Hi all! I need help mounting a smb share to Ubuntu 20.04, is there a better channel? [18:04]