| === Squarism is now known as PowerOf2 | ||
| nbusrone | May I know , how do I check for repository default application ? I try to search a browser apps like midori or vivaldi but non of them show up.But on Software center search does shows up while synaptic doesn't. | 11:41 |
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| nbusrone | What is the different between Snap , Flatpak , AppImage ? why does application a divided to all unknown distribution compare to ppa ? | 11:42 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: i don't understand the last question: "why does application a divided to all unknown distribution compare to ppa ?" | 11:47 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: generally speaking, which software sources are available to install from depends on which software installer frontend you are using. | 11:48 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : such as chromium.There are main from repository , ppa , snap | 11:49 |
| tomreyn | i.e. the ubuntu desktop's "ubuntu software" application defaults on pulling software via snap, then via apt as a secondary choice. synaptic, on the other hand, would only install software from apt sources. | 11:49 |
| tomreyn | chromium is a bit of a special case, because its apt packages use a forwarding mechanism which cause the snap package to be installed instead. | 11:50 |
| tomreyn | some other apt packages were also replaced by their snap counter parts this way | 11:50 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : from what I check most of the application are moving out from main apt sources to snap. | 11:51 |
| tomreyn | chromium installations from a ppa will probably still use apt only, installations from ubuntu repository on ubuntu 20.04 and later will result in a snap installation. | 11:51 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : Does snap provide better option compare to main apt repository ? | 11:52 |
| tomreyn | not most of them, no. but some, especially proproetary ones, and some which are more difficult to maintain. | 11:52 |
| tomreyn | the snap distribution model and software packaging format has some advantages and (if you ask me) several disadvantages over apt / deb. | 11:54 |
| tomreyn | YMMV. | 11:54 |
| tomreyn | personally, i keep snaps off my system because of these. | 11:54 |
| tomreyn | *systemS, desktops and servers | 11:55 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : Of all the browser i check on Software Center , mostly are maintain and install at snap. I would like to know, is there any application such as synaptic which show apps from snap ? beside software center. | 11:56 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : The reason i avoid snap because sometimes i encounter bug during shut down where snap not able to turn off the pc.It's a bug but haven't been fix. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1873550 | 11:58 |
| ubot5` | Ubuntu bug 1873550 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Snappy daemon reaches 1min30s timeout during shutdown process" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:58 |
| tomreyn | nbusrone: i'm only aware of "Ubuntu software" (AKA "Software center") and the snap CLI showing packages from this source. | 11:58 |
| tomreyn | maybe ask about it in #snapcraft - they may not even be aware of it, yet | 12:00 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : I avoid most snap application if possible but some are install by default. Hopefully the bug will be fix.Snap advantage which doesn't required much dependency. | 12:01 |
| tomreyn | you can probably replace most of the default applications installed as snaps by their apt counter parts, or via 3rd party repositories. | 12:04 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : beside , I do not like the idea of snap which automatically update the application and it's hard to revert back to previous build if newer version conflict. | 12:04 |
| tomreyn | chromium can be replaced by apt builds from PPAs or by ungoogled.-chromium | 12:04 |
| lotuspsychje | nbusrone: you can divide things with apt-cache search foo vs snap find foo | 12:05 |
| nbusrone | tomreyn : as for chromium , I am using ppa maintainer which support hardware acceleration. | 12:05 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : thanks , I aware of that but prefer something similar with synaptic. | 12:05 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : GUI base. | 12:06 |
| lotuspsychje | nbusrone: snap-store vs gnome-software then | 12:06 |
| tomreyn | didnt they replace the gnome gui which normally doesn't list snaps by one which does in 20.04? | 12:07 |
| lotuspsychje | ubuntu software is now snap-store in 20.04 yeah | 12:07 |
| lotuspsychje | but you can still install gnome-software on the side too | 12:07 |
| tomreyn | oh ok | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | and i see a gnome-software-plugin-snap so i think one can divide things | 12:09 |
| nbusrone | but need to carefully look at the type on installation , ( Source : snap ) or ( ubuntu- -universe) but now being replace.The only way to get from main repo is synaptic or apt-cache search.Still hoping snap will fix the bug and load faster on slower hard drive. | 12:12 |
| lotuspsychje | nbusrone: that bug isnt for every machine, i installed a lot of 20.04 where this did not happen | 12:14 |
| lotuspsychje | i think on hd spinners, snaps/snapd could lag things more like shutdown, boot and loading of snaps on snap-store | 12:16 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : the bug doesn't happen offen , but I test 30 times power down the pc or restart , will have once or twice.Percentage would be around 3-5/100 occur. | 12:16 |
| lotuspsychje | nbusrone: thats something that can happen with other services then snap too, awaiting service to shutdown | 12:17 |
| lotuspsychje | i reccomend you install preload, haveged, stacer and tweak your machine a bit startup items + ssystemd services | 12:18 |
| lotuspsychje | are you on a spinner nbusrone ? | 12:18 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : I did fix it by reduce the timer to 30 secound. SO it's not a major problem but I do hope there is a way to prevent snap to automatically update. | 12:18 |
| lotuspsychje | there are commands to tweak snapd, think oerheks linked that one time | 12:19 |
| nbusrone | spinner? no idea what do you mean. | 12:19 |
| lotuspsychje | mechanical HD spinner | 12:19 |
| lotuspsychje | or an ssd | 12:19 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : have both ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04 install dualboot in mechanical drive and ssd.I can compare the different between both. | 12:20 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah might be a good test | 12:20 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : mind showing the link of oerheks linked tweak ? | 12:21 |
| lotuspsychje | if i can recall it was from ubuntu blog | 12:21 |
| lotuspsychje | nbusrone: something like this; https://snapcraft.io/blog/how-to-manage-snap-updates | 12:22 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : oh , never know i can set therefresh timer | 12:23 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : anyway thanks for the help , looks like most 3rd proprietary application or browser switch maintain fully on snap.Will midori install for light weight. | 12:37 |
| lotuspsychje | nbusrone: i saw brave browser is back on snaps now, rocketfastest browser around | 12:39 |
| nbusrone | lotuspsychje : oh , maybe will try those. | 12:40 |
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