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[11:41] <nbusrone>  May I know ,  how do I check for repository default application ? I try to search a browser apps like midori or vivaldi but non of them show up.But on Software center search does shows up while synaptic doesn't.
[11:42] <nbusrone> What is the different between Snap , Flatpak , AppImage ? why does application a divided to all unknown distribution compare to ppa ?
[11:47] <tomreyn> nbusrone: i don't understand the last question: "why does application a divided to all unknown distribution compare to ppa ?"
[11:48] <tomreyn> nbusrone: generally speaking, which software sources are available to install from depends on which software installer frontend you are using.
[11:49] <nbusrone> tomreyn : such as chromium.There are main from repository , ppa , snap
[11:49] <tomreyn> i.e. the ubuntu desktop's "ubuntu software" application defaults on pulling software via snap, then via apt as a secondary choice. synaptic, on the other hand, would only install software from apt sources.
[11:50] <tomreyn> chromium is a bit of a special case, because its apt packages use a forwarding mechanism which cause the snap package to be installed instead.
[11:50] <tomreyn> some other apt packages were also replaced by their snap counter parts this way
[11:51] <nbusrone> tomreyn : from what I check most of the application are moving out from main apt sources to snap.
[11:51] <tomreyn> chromium installations from a ppa will probably still use apt only, installations from ubuntu repository on ubuntu 20.04 and later will result in a snap installation.
[11:52] <nbusrone> tomreyn : Does snap provide better option compare to main apt repository ?
[11:52] <tomreyn> not most of them, no. but some, especially proproetary ones, and some which are more difficult to maintain.
[11:54] <tomreyn> the snap distribution model and software packaging format has some advantages and (if you ask me) several disadvantages over apt / deb.
[11:54] <tomreyn> YMMV.
[11:54] <tomreyn> personally, i keep snaps off my system because of these.
[11:55] <tomreyn> *systemS, desktops and servers
[11:56] <nbusrone> tomreyn : Of all the browser i check on Software Center , mostly are maintain and install at snap. I would like to know,  is there any application such as synaptic which show apps from snap ? beside software center.
[11:58] <nbusrone> tomreyn : The reason i avoid snap because sometimes i encounter bug during shut down where snap not able to turn off the pc.It's a bug but haven't been fix. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1873550
[11:58] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1873550 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Snappy daemon reaches 1min30s timeout during shutdown process" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:58] <tomreyn> nbusrone: i'm only aware of "Ubuntu software" (AKA "Software center") and the snap CLI showing packages from this source.
[12:00] <tomreyn> maybe ask about it in #snapcraft - they may not even be aware of it, yet
[12:01] <nbusrone> tomreyn : I avoid most snap application if possible but some are install by default. Hopefully the bug will be fix.Snap advantage which doesn't required much dependency.
[12:04] <tomreyn> you can probably replace most of the default applications installed as snaps by their apt counter parts, or via 3rd party repositories.
[12:04] <nbusrone> tomreyn : beside , I do not like the idea of snap which automatically update the application and it's hard to revert back to previous build if newer version conflict.
[12:04] <tomreyn> chromium can be replaced by apt builds from PPAs or by ungoogled.-chromium
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: you can divide things with apt-cache search foo vs snap find foo
[12:05] <nbusrone> tomreyn : as for chromium , I am using ppa maintainer which support hardware acceleration.
[12:05] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : thanks , I aware of that but prefer something similar with synaptic.
[12:06] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : GUI base.
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: snap-store vs gnome-software then
[12:07] <tomreyn> didnt they replace the gnome gui which normally doesn't list snaps by one which does in 20.04?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu software is now snap-store in 20.04 yeah
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> but you can still install gnome-software on the side too
[12:08] <tomreyn> oh ok
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> and i see a gnome-software-plugin-snap so i think one can divide things
[12:12] <nbusrone> but need to carefully look at the type on installation , ( Source : snap ) or ( ubuntu- -universe) but now being replace.The only way to get from main repo is synaptic or apt-cache search.Still hoping snap will fix the bug and load faster on slower hard drive.
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: that bug isnt for every machine, i installed a lot of 20.04 where this did not happen
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> i think on hd spinners, snaps/snapd could lag things more like shutdown, boot and loading of snaps on snap-store
[12:16] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : the bug doesn't happen offen , but I test 30  times power down the pc or restart , will have once or twice.Percentage would be around 3-5/100 occur.
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: thats something that can happen with other services then snap too, awaiting service to shutdown
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> i reccomend you install preload, haveged, stacer and tweak your machine a bit startup items + ssystemd services
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> are you on a spinner nbusrone ?
[12:18] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : I did fix it by reduce the timer to 30 secound. SO it's not a major problem but I do hope there is a way to prevent snap to automatically update.
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> there are commands to tweak snapd, think oerheks linked that one time
[12:19] <nbusrone> spinner? no idea what do you mean.
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> mechanical HD spinner
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> or an ssd
[12:20] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : have both ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04 install dualboot in mechanical drive and ssd.I can compare the different between both.
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah might be a good test
[12:21] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : mind showing the link of oerheks linked tweak ?
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> if i can recall it was from ubuntu blog
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: something like this; https://snapcraft.io/blog/how-to-manage-snap-updates
[12:23] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : oh , never know i can set therefresh timer
[12:37] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : anyway thanks for the help , looks like most 3rd proprietary application or browser switch maintain fully on snap.Will midori install for light weight.
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: i saw brave browser is back on snaps now, rocketfastest browser around
[12:40] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : oh , maybe will try those.
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