 sure no problem
 ssh is awesome once you've set it up xD
 btw if there was any doubt about anbox
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/8iTpz60E.png
[00:26] <ubptgbot> <J W> @xander2m [I like the Christmas holidays. I have literally no idea about SSH but have the t …], The command for SSHing from a Linux distro is usually- ssh username@ipaddress  … After you do that it will ask for a password. That is pretty much it. For windows just get Putty and fill out up address and user fields then go. All SSH does is give
[00:26] <ubptgbot> you a remote terminal connection to the device.
 Cool. Well I've installed Ubuntu today so will give it a go on there.
 hey guys i got a question
 i know that it isnt stable to switch lomiri with something else
 but i wanna know if its actually possible
 im on devel channel and im willing to reinstall if anything fails
 are there any ways to do it?
[02:26] <ubptgbot> Daniel Daniel was added by: Daniel Daniel
[02:27] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> how well work ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy note 4 … will the sPen work?
 @Daniel Daniel [how well work ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy note 4 … will the sPen work?], it might?
[02:31] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @bingusfunny [it might?], ?
 @Daniel Daniel [how well work ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy note 4 … will the sPen work?], the performance should be good, im running it on nexus 5 and its pretty smooth
 but im not sure if the spen will work
[02:35] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> thanks for answering … do you think ubuntu touch will work equal like in nexus 5 by note 4?
 @Daniel Daniel [how well work ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy note 4 … will the sPen work?], seeing as I ported it, I can say it works fairly well, call audio currently isnt working (been trying to figure it out) the sPen is detected by the kernel, but it doesnt actually do anything cause either mir or lomiri doesnt handle styli input, I
[03:06] <ubptgbot> have opted to wait for the base to moclve to 20.04 before I devote time and energy into getting the spen to work.  I tried to set it as a mouse input, but that didnt work either
 Is any specific reason why there any dialer does not support landscape  mode?Some known limitation ?
 @Daniel Daniel [thanks for answering … do you think ubuntu touch will work equal like in nexus 5 b …], it performs almost as well as N5, if I could get call audio working, and figure out a couple minor things then I would say its as good if not slightly better as a N5
 @bingusfunny [but i wanna know if its actually possible], there is no supported way to change the shell, no
 @dohbee [there is no supported way to change the shell, no], hmm
 anyway, is there any way of switching to wayland from mir?
 or just using Xmir to run desktop apps?
 @bingusfunny [or just using Xmir to run desktop apps?], (without libertine, because i cant get that running for some damn reason)
[03:42] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @Shakendo [seeing as I ported it, I can say it works fairly well, call audio currently isnt …], many thanks for answering
 @bingusfunny [anyway, is there any way of switching to wayland from mir?], mir is a wayland compositor, so no
[03:42] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @Shakendo [seeing as I ported it, I can say it works fairly well, call audio currently isnt …], do you have an own channel to keep me up to date?
 @dohbee [mir is a wayland compositor, so no], oh, i feel dumb
 @bingusfunny [or just using Xmir to run desktop apps?], this has nothing to do with wayland, and all X11 apps are run under it currently
 @dohbee [this has nothing to do with wayland, and all X11 apps are run under it currently], huh?
[03:43] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @bingusfunny [or just using Xmir to run desktop apps?], No desktop Apps on Ubuntu touch???
 @Daniel Daniel [No desktop Apps on Ubuntu touch???], idk but nope from what i can tell so far
 @bingusfunny [huh?], all libertine x11 apps are currently run via xmir
 @bingusfunny [(without libertine, because i cant get that running for some damn reason)], .
 uh
 good thing i pointed that out
 🤷‍♀️
 running PC apps on a phone is not the priority, and so libertine is still quite experimental
[03:45] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @dohbee [all libertine x11 apps are currently run via xmir], I can run for example gimp or office?
 @Daniel Daniel [I can run for example gimp or office?], sure
 @dohbee [running PC apps on a phone is not the priority, and so libertine is still quite …], bruh
[03:46] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @dohbee [running PC apps on a phone is not the priority, and so libertine is still quite …], the desktop apps could run unstable in contrast to raspberry pi, that also arm based?
 @Daniel Daniel [the desktop apps could run unstable in contrast to raspberry pi, that also arm b …], phones are not PCs
 a Nexus 5 is not a Raspberry Pi
[03:47] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> I knew...but the system is makes the difference
 @dohbee [a Nexus 5 is not a Raspberry Pi], - same cpu architecture … - same type of ram … - runs off of emmc
 no
 @bingusfunny [- same cpu architecture … - same type of ram … - runs off of emmc], i mean, when you think about it
 you're wrong
 alright
 cool
[03:49] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> HDMI or and wireless display will work?
 @Daniel Daniel [HDMI or and wireless display will work?], yeah probably
 they are different things, so it depends on device
[03:50] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> how well is anbox?
[03:51] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> (Video, 11s) https://irc.ubports.com/k0FgU0j5.mp4
 extremely alpha. you won't get same experience as running native lineageOS or anything
[03:51] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @Daniel Daniel [<reply to media>], for that probably no!
 wtf
[03:52] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @dohbee [extremely alpha. you won't get same experience as running native lineageOS or an …], :( … is anbox on desktop OS also alpha?
 yes
 and unrelated to UT
 what would happen if i replaced the ut rootfs with a mobian one while installing
 lmao
 you would not be using UT then
 yeah but like would it work
 is it possible
 probably not
 hmm
 i'll just wait for mobian halium 5 release lmao
 phones aren't PCs no matter what distro you attempt o install on them
 @dohbee [phones aren't PCs no matter what distro you attempt o install on them], wow i thought my Nexus 5 was an i9 99100k with a Radeon 6900XT
 thanks for the reminder
 it's not even an i3 3300k with a radeon hd 750
 apparently i have to put /s at the end of every sentence
 good to know
 but the point isn't about the performance. it's about the hardware
[04:00] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @dohbee [yes], ): … Android Emulator or Simulator on Windows probably better, like NOX or Bluestacks … And windows is not Unix based
 ok
 you're welcome to donate as much money has been spent on those ventures, to ubports
 @dohbee [you're welcome to donate as much money has been spent on those ventures, to ubpo …], i dont think any money would be spent emulating android lmao
 then feel free to not use android apps
 that
 wasnt what i meant
[04:02] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @Daniel Daniel [<reply to media>], the APP is UbikiTouch … An realy nice idea to make something similar to Ubuntu or linx overall: so you can for example use your nexus 7 with only one Hand if you shirk the keyboard to right or left side
 @Pj 🇧🇷 Raphael(s) CN 512/12GB 🇺🇸 [Anyone have Raphael K20 pro?], yes
 @TuxInside18 [I'm interesting to improve developing of UBports on Redmi K20 Pro], please do try it,,we like to see it
 Fwd from John: https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFh0rfS5unI1yshXSA
 Fwd from Jw: https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFh0rfS5unI1yshXSA
 @J W [The command for SSHing from a Linux distro is usually- ssh username@ipaddress  … A …], fwiw on ut it will only work with keys
 @bingusfunny [but i wanna know if its actually possible], replacing lomiri means its no longer ubuntu touch. yes its possible but everything on ut works via lomiri, from the the actual shell down to the compositor
 @bingusfunny [- same cpu architecture … - same type of ram … - runs off of emmc], - more sensors … - less ports(only one usb port … - binary drivers … -  smaller screen … :p
 no seriously the differences are bigger than you expect, kde dropped halium support for a reason and there not much storage space on these devices compared to what you can do with a rpi. ut is build this way for a reason
 also it isn't that desktop apps can't run, its that they aren't made for use with small 5 inch touchscreens
 [Edit] also it isn't that desktop apps can't run, its that they aren't made for use with low powered devices with  small 5 inch touchscreens
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[07:06] <ubptgbot> Pramit Chaudhury was added by: Pramit Chaudhury
[07:08] <ubptgbot> <Pramit Chaudhury> Hi everyone 👋
 @Fuseteam [also it isn't that desktop apps can't run, its that they aren't made for use wit …], Small screens with insane pixel density. 538ppi for the Pixel 2XL, I had to raise grid unit to 28 for the first time on a device. It looks smooth but it feels overpowered, and the builtin cameras wont have that resolution :P
 When we get oneplus 5 cheeseburger get approx.!!!!
 Ubuntu touch rom
[08:11] <ubptgbot> H43id was added by: H43id
 @Pramit Chaudhury [Hi everyone 👋], Welcome
 @Flohack [Small screens with insane pixel density. 538ppi for the Pixel 2XL, I had to rais …], what do you mean by overpowered?
 also, what's the highest resolution UT device do we have? … PIxel 2 Xl is 1440p, right?
[08:58] <ubptgbot> NICOLE KAISER was added by: NICOLE KAISER
[08:58] <ubptgbot> <NICOLE KAISER> (Photo, 619x907) https://irc.ubports.com/hgQ4WAnb.png
 @NICOLE KAISER [<reply to media>], spam
 @Javacookies [what do you mean by overpowered?], Human eye cannot resolve beyond around 250ppi so it is like advertising the beautiful image in ultraviolet - which we are blind to
 My eyes without glasses can't even resolve 50ppi 😂
[09:45] <ubptgbot> <Linda Gerbatz> Wow? it's nice!!! Giveaway!!🤑🤑 … [https://twіtеr.cоm/musk/status/1233358268827314432](https://bit.ly/2WNAkKS)
 Thanks
 They are sent to the very hot place down below 👿
 phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ uname -a … Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.10.108-halium-perf+ #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 7 20:19:15 CET 2020 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
 @Max57595 [phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ uname -a … Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.10.108-halium-perf+ #1 …], At last on my Oneplus 2 , OTA-15 works fine.
 Not as daily driver. But I love it! …  Thank you guys!!
 how do you boot to bootloader on bq E5?
 @J W [The command for SSHing from a Linux distro is usually- ssh username@ipaddress  … A …], Actually windows 10 doesn't need putty
 @Javacookies [how do you boot to bootloader on bq E5?], Volume up + power usually does it on mediatek
 hmmm, I think battery is dead … when I plug it to power, it shows 100% but won't boot … when unplugged, nothing happens
 I thought I can revive it 😢
 @Javacookies [hmmm, I think battery is dead … when I plug it to power, it shows 100% but won't b …], Sounds like my dead 4.5. Even after a new battery installed
 well I guess that confirms it 😅
 too bad, it has sentimental value because it went through a lot just to get here from Europe 😆
 Hold volume up when you plug it in
 @amyosx [Hold volume up when you plug it in], With BQ there was a thing of pressing the power button for 15-20 seconds
 Yeah but if your holding when preloader (?) executes it will bring up the menu
 @kriskuthu [please do try it,,we like to see it], I'm doing that with @hacker1024
 @TuxInside18 [I'm doing that with @hacker1024], Photography will be interesting but I think it will lack use of the integration algorithms
 @Flohack [Small screens with insane pixel density. 538ppi for the Pixel 2XL, I had to rais …], T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in addition to the VoLTE changes coming in January. In a nut shell, if the device is from 2015 or earlier, and can't get a firmware update from the manufacturer, it
[10:55] <ubptgbot>  will be blocked from both voice and data access. AT&T has announced something similar. That means a lot of devices will no longer have network access in the US come February 1. I've got a couple of devices in that category that have a good lineage 14.1 port. You're welcome to have them if it's worth shipping them to Europe, otherwise also free to
[10:55] <ubptgbot> a UbPorts developer in the Americas
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in add …], Is this US-only ? Since T-Mobile is also in Poland and such
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in add …], Very generous. Is Sprint also being closed off?
 This is US only. Legally, T-Mobile agreed to keep Sprints CDMA service intact for three years. But, they are being cagey about it. CDMA doesn't work with UT anyway
 Hence, might as well give them to someone that can still use them. I hate recycling devices that still have a life in them
 @rocket2nfinity [Hence, might as well give them to someone that can still use them. I hate recycl …], As things like this tend to get lost in the chat, it might be worth flagging up the offer in the forum
 I will, if no one claims them before then
 There are issues with duties, tax, courier costs, customs declarations etc though
 Is Canada similarly affected? Mexico?
 Yep, why I said if it's worth it. Europe is especially picky on those tax and customs issues
 Mexico no, Canada I'm not sure. There's always Rogers up there anyway. But here, there's only three big carriers and all three have committed to the same plan. Anyone in a rural US/Canada area with a regional telco still using GSM is welcome to them
 @Flohack [Small screens with insane pixel density. 538ppi for the Pixel 2XL, I had to rais …], yeah ikr
 @rocket2nfinity [Mexico no, Canada I'm not sure. There's always Rogers up there anyway. But here, …], Damn I'm in UK
 @SehjanS [When we get oneplus 5 cheeseburger get approx.!!!!], patience please, it will be hard to miss when it is actually released. the work for it is being done by volunteers
 Maybe we get that HUGE and TREMENDOUS free trade deal haha
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in add …], what are the devices in question?
 @amyosx [Maybe we get that HUGE and TREMENDOUS free trade deal haha], Off topic but ROFL. World beating levels of red tape and ritual self-humiliation
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in add …], Well we have enough devices, but no knowledge about volte. Everything is vendor specific, even from same vendor it can be different for 2 devices. Bring documentation ;)
 Maybe Musk's WiFi from the sky will make the LTE debate look funny and old-fashioned soon?
 Lol I hope
 lol doubt
[12:24] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Flohack [Well we have enough devices, but no knowledge about volte. Everything is vendor …], Did you check the GSMA "official" documentation for carriers and mobile telephony 3rd parties industry? … https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/documents-volte/ … https://www.gsma.com/newsroom/wp-content/uploads//IR.92-v15.0-4.pdf
 I guess in this regard, it's good that our carriers are always late with technologies 😆
 lol
 tfw you realize you have no idea where to find % on the default ut calculator
[12:28] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Documentation about VoWiFi: … https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/ip_services/vowifi/
 @Fuseteam [what are the devices in question?], Nexus 5, probably my Nexus 6P (still waiting to hear from Google about that), Moto E4, several Samsung Galaxy and Galaxy Tabs
 hmmm
 @Fuseteam [hmmm], 😀
 😎
 Well South America is 'local' I think. Good for sustainability 😏
 is it? hehe
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/YrNDwfGI.webp
 Go for it
 i'll see 😂
 @Fuseteam [i'll see 😂], You could help Florian with the 6P. That would be very useful for the community
 that's actually not a bad suggestion 🤔
 @Steve Kueffer [Did you check the GSMA "official" documentation for carriers and mobile telephon …], You need to enable it via the vendor blobs for the specific device probably, there is no volte standard, so that document does not help
[13:08] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Flohack [You need to enable it via the vendor blobs for the specific device probably, the …], Oh my.... Sorry 😨
[13:15] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Flohack [You need to enable it via the vendor blobs for the specific device probably, the …], Concerning Vollaphone, maybe Gigaset can provide the documentation to Hallo Welt team for a future VoLte implementation.
 @Steve Kueffer [Concerning Vollaphone, maybe Gigaset can provide the documentation to Hallo Welt …], Probably yes.
 @Steve Kueffer [Concerning Vollaphone, maybe Gigaset can provide the documentation to Hallo Welt …], May be issues with USA licensing? Not sure…
[13:39] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Apparently Vollaphone has been certified for the US market (sales licence). But don't know about other technical protocols under licence indeed...
 its mostly the fcc license that it is missing
 @Fuseteam [its mostly the fcc license that it is missing], Yes, I meant terms of a firmware usage licence. It might be limited to EU, if granted
 actually the problem is they didn't/don't have the resource to pass fcc's certification if memory serves
 @Fuseteam [also it isn't that desktop apps can't run, its that they aren't made for use wit …], true
 hmm
 it really is that difficult yes
 i cant get libertine running for some reason, thats why i asked
 how have you tried to get libertine running?
 Settings > Libertine
 and also the command line way thru adb shell
 on my pc cause terminal on a 5inch screen is painful
 eh? did you actually let it finish? it does take quite a while
 @Fuseteam [eh? did you actually let it finish? it does take quite a while], yeah
 @bingusfunny [on my pc cause terminal on a 5inch screen is painful], well if the terminal that is optimized for ubuntu touch is that painfull to you, i would not have high hopes for running full desktop apps
 @Fuseteam [well if the terminal that is optimized for ubuntu touch is that painfull to you, …], no its the terminal thats painful
 @bingusfunny [yeah], what was the error you encountered
 @bingusfunny [no its the terminal thats painful], eh? how so?
 @Fuseteam [well if the terminal that is optimized for ubuntu touch is that painfull to you, …], [Edit] no its NOT the terminal thats painful
 fuck
 good job me
 ohw lol
 @bingusfunny [no its NOT the terminal thats painful], its the fact that i have to type on a 4.95 inch screen
 so i just ssh or adb shell into it to do it
 its not a "ohhh ut is so painful" thing
 uh yeah i know what you mean don't worry, i'm readwrite rootfs guy i done some things on my device
 and yes as a rw'er i'm behind the idea of a readonly rootfs
 [Edit] and yes as a rw'er i'm all for the idea of a readonly rootfs
 @bingusfunny [so i just ssh or adb shell into it to do it], i do the same tbf
 @Fuseteam [and yes as a rw'er i'm all for the idea of a readonly rootfs], its a double edged sword really
 its really good for security and endusers
 BUUUT its linux so you expect it to be a writeable file system
 mmm kinda, there are a few tricks you can do
 for example did you know that while the rootfs is readonly that doesn't mean the entirety of `/` is readonly
 @bingusfunny [BUUUT its linux so you expect it to be a writeable file system], embedded linux systems typically don't have a writable rootfs.
 @jonny [embedded linux systems typically don't have a writable rootfs.], yeah but arent embedded linux systems used more in places like servers? i don't know much about those
 and to me it comes down to one question: why does it need to be writable to install a couple of applications?
 No. IoT, cars, phones, etc
 for context; its about getting around the issues libertine seems to have in this case for those coming in the convo
 It's just a small group of nerds that see "Linux" and think it must be the same as a PC running a Linux distro
 [Edit] for contextfor those just coming in the convo; its about getting around the issues libertine seems to have in this case
 @dohbee [It's just a small group of nerds that see "Linux" and think it must be the same …], but like, at that point isnt it just dangling around the "Android with a different display server, apt and less apps" territory lmao
 @bingusfunny [but like, at that point isnt it just dangling around the "Android with a differe …], no not really, there are plenty of difference with android
 @Fuseteam [no not really, there are plenty of difference with android], yeah i know
 i definitely like ut more than android
 thats for sure
 @bingusfunny [but like, at that point isnt it just dangling around the "Android with a differe …], No
 Android is already linux
 @dohbee [Android is already linux], eh
 honestly i do believe there's a way to install applications via the command line but it needs to be uh optimized so to say
 only kernel wise basically
 Linux is only a kernel
 @Fuseteam [honestly i do believe there's a way to install applications via the command line …], apt works, but the display server basically blocks anything that isnt mir-optimized
 do you know your device architecture @bingusfunny ?
 @Fuseteam [do you know your device architecture @bingusfunny ?], armhf
 No, apt is not supported
 @dohbee [No, apt is not supported], im aware thanks
 i'm not talking about apt rodney, thanks
 @bingusfunny [armhf], hmmm yeah that needs even more optimzation
 @Fuseteam [hmmm yeah that needs even more optimzation], yeah
 @bingusfunny [apt works, but the display server basically blocks anything that isnt mir-optimi …], Also, those things get run with xmir
 @dohbee [Also, those things get run with xmir], they dont, really
 @Fuseteam [i'm not talking about apt rodney, thanks], And I wasn't talking to you, thanks
 try running Nautilus and let me know
 @dohbee [And I wasn't talking to you, thanks], none of us were talking to you but go on
 @bingusfunny [they dont, really], yes they do you just set the flags
 @bingusfunny [but like, at that point isnt it just dangling around the "Android with a differe …], The problem about android is not android itself, but the Google dependent ecosystem. And that one is completely different between Android and UT.
 @dohbee [And I wasn't talking to you, thanks], now that makes more sense xD
 @Fuseteam [yes they do you just set the flags], oh alright
 @Fuseteam [yes they do you just set the flags], in the desktop files? or while launching
 @Fuseteam [yes they do you just set the flags], Shouldn't need to
 there's a flag you can set in the desktop file or you can do it while launching
 @Fuseteam [there's a flag you can set in the desktop file or you can do it while launching], hmm
 i'll try it
 But you can't just run any app fr CLI like on x11 either
 @dohbee [Shouldn't need to], it does appear to be the case outside of libertine
 @Fuseteam [it does appear to be the case outside of libertine], yeah exactly
 ok one last question before mess around with ut more
 is it possible to switch to xorg lmao
 @Fuseteam [it does appear to be the case outside of libertine], Then there's a bug somewhere
 @bingusfunny [is it possible to switch to xorg lmao], im willing to reinstall
 @bingusfunny [is it possible to switch to xorg lmao], No
 @bingusfunny [is it possible to switch to xorg lmao], lomiri depends on qtmir which depends on mir which is a wayland compositor
 @Fuseteam [lomiri depends on qtmir which depends on mir which is a wayland compositor], hmmm
 UT is not a traditional PC Linux distro
 @bingusfunny [is it possible to switch to xorg lmao], No, it is not.
 @dohbee [UT is not a traditional PC Linux distro], i know rodney
 thanks
 i really suggesting diving a bit deeper into how ut works @bingusfunny its really interesting how they things actually works
 @Fuseteam [i really suggesting diving a bit deeper into how ut works @bingusfunny its reall …], yeah it really is
 i love it, im just to used to messing around with and breaking linux so i try to do that on anything with a linux kernel that i get my hands on
 [Edit] i love it, im just too used to messing around with and breaking linux so i try to do that on anything with a linux kernel that i get my hands on
 @TuxInside18 [I'm doing that with @hacker1024], If you want to test a build ,I will gladly help with that
 if you want to try and break things, try editing some qml files and reloading the program xD
 @kriskuthu [If you want to test a build ,I will gladly help with that], Thz
 @kriskuthu [If you want to test a build ,I will gladly help with that], [Edit] Thx
 i broke the keyboard like that a couple of times hehehehe
 Breaking things is easy
 fixing things is the real challenge
 @bingusfunny [yeah it really is], this video might interest you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_K6XFRk84
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/6Cngb8XU.png Did anyone with Vollaphone has no usage statistics on the welcome screen, although it is correctly set to on in the settings?  If yes, is there a way to fix it? Many thanks!
[15:31] <ubptgbot> <Aki Siika-aho> Is there a way to disable images on Morph or when making an webapp with webber?
 @Aki Siika-aho [Is there a way to disable images on Morph or when making an webapp with webber?], Do you mean a 'using data' setting?
[15:41] <ubptgbot> <Aki Siika-aho> Yes :)
 @Aki Siika-aho [Yes :)], I am guessing that would need a system level implementation, rather than browser level. A very interesting question, good to go in the forum for discussion at the next Q&A
 Wait for the next Q&A thread to open, maybe 5 Janyary?
 [Edit] Wait for the next Q&A thread to open, maybe 5 January?
 or file a feature request at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch
[15:53] <ubptgbot> <Aki Siika-aho> Thanks, I will throw my question to next Q&A
[15:56] <ubptgbot> Juenter2 was added by: Juenter2
 @Aki Siika-aho [Thanks, I will throw my question to next Q&A], There is a data monitoring app now. That might offer some control opportunities?
 if qtwebengine already has this feature then it'll be easy to implement
 @Javacookies [if qtwebengine already has this feature then it'll be easy to implement], Indeed. So a good topic to chew on
 I'll probably check on it when I get the time which os quite frequent during thos holidays 😄
 @Javacookies hey bro, do you know what's the actual status of the halium port for the N5? I am ready to give it a try now
 Not really, I've only tried it once a few months ago. I think it's good now but I don't know what's still keeping it from being released
[17:13] <ubptgbot> <Gianluca Naseem> @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], I have same issue on volla … If I double click the circle side bar gets trigged  … Never seen the infogtaphic petals aether  … Might be bug
 @Aki Siika-aho [Is there a way to disable images on Morph or when making an webapp with webber?], there seems to be an easy way to support automatic loading of images in Morph, you may log a feature request in github so that it won't be forgotten 😉
[17:27] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Gianluca Naseem [I have same issue on volla … If I double click the circle side bar gets trigged  … N …], Thank you for your confirmation! 😉 I will open an issue in Github.
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 Hi there, I need someone with a Pixel 2 or Pixel 2XL for a test
 @bingusfunny [but i wanna know if its actually possible], Anything is possible with enough work
 @mateosalta [Anything is possible with enough work], i mean you'd be building a different distro at that stage
 in my experience xorg isn't made for touchscreens
 if it was we would have a lot of local merchants on ubuntu right now, the breaking point was touchscreen bugs
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 @mateosalta [Anything is possible with enough work], Anything is possible, with ZomboCom Touch
 you really like that zombo meme huh 😂
 @Fuseteam [in my experience xorg isn't made for touchscreens], mm, i don't think that's true. x11 is usable on all kinds of things, including touchscreens. the main issue is that most things made to run on traditional linux systems, aren't made for touch
 @Fuseteam [if it was we would have a lot of local merchants on ubuntu right now, the breaki …], i don't see how you could draw this conclusion
 @Fuseteam [in my experience xorg isn't made for touchscreens], try Nokia N9 :)
 @NotKit [try Nokia N9 :)], it was a 23 touch screen monitor on a mini pc
 @dohbee [Anything is possible, with ZomboCom Touch], the only limit is yourself at zombo ;)
 @dohbee [i don't see how you could draw this conclusion], personal experience, i had a couple of local merchants on ubuntu, but due to touch issues they all went back to windows in the end
 @dohbee [i don't see how you could draw this conclusion], [Edit] personal experience, in my previous job; i had a couple of local merchants on ubuntu, but due to touch issues they all went back to windows in the end
 certain touchscreens are really bad
 @Fuseteam [personal experience, in my previous job; i had a couple of local merchants on ub …], Oof
 My experience with xorg on phones is mostly positive
 Just let down by scaling
 @amyosx [My experience with xorg on phones is mostly positive], +
 same
 xfce4 on postmarket was nice
 yeah and gnome, i knew sooner it was freaking gnome causing the freezes that would've solved half the issues
 @bingusfunny [xfce4 on postmarket was nice], but, you know
 everything else was broken
 ohw i was talking about a desktop minipc used with a touchscreen, so i'm actually ot over here 😂
 @Fuseteam [personal experience, in my previous job; i had a couple of local merchants on ub …], oh. i don't think that has to do with ubuntu really. probably lack of good POS software
 but anyway
 yeah off topic :)
 i thought you were talking about UT
 @dohbee [oh. i don't think that has to do with ubuntu really. probably lack of good POS s …], yeah i don't blame ubuntu hehe
 @dohbee [i thought you were talking about UT], haha oops 😂
 i bet ut would be flying like hot cakes if it was available on the desktop fwiw xD
 @Fuseteam [i bet ut would be flying like hot cakes if it was available on the desktop fwiw …], Wen eta
 i can so see it working smoothly
 (Sticker, 512x244) https://irc.ubports.com/FQFOD4aa.webp
 @Fuseteam [i bet ut would be flying like hot cakes if it was available on the desktop fwiw …], it is avaible, just not that good on the desktop yet
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], Do that too
 [Edit] i can so see it working smoothly in that usecase
 @mateosalta [it is avaible, just not that good on the desktop yet], qemu image
 @mateosalta [it is avaible, just not that good on the desktop yet], just need a little bit more love xD
 @popeydc I get what you mean about grouper being awful, put android 6 on it and its lagging hard
 meanwhile my webapp is breaking ut hard 😂
 and i can't locate the logs 😂
 Oof
 @amyosx [Do that too], done
 @dohbee [done], Wow
 Magic
 I use arch btw
 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtA0hX_UIAAN3Yx?format=jpg&name=large
 lol
 @amyosx [@popeydc I get what you mean about grouper being awful, put android 6 on it and …], I told you the same. Sell it 😂
 @xander2m [I told you the same. Sell it 😂], No
 Parrot mod fixes it
 Lol
[21:36] <ubptgbot> <J W> Is there potential for porting Ububtu Touch on newer Nokia phones? I would help on testing and even try to help with porting it. I just don't have any experience with porting it. I have also dug around and found out that some of the kernel source code for these devices are open sourced and available online. Here is acouple of links. But I don
[21:36] <ubptgbot> 't know if they include the necessary vendor blobs or not. And the question of if they have unlockable bootloaders. … https://www.xda-developers.com/hmd-global-nokia-4-2-6-2-7-2-kernel-source/ … https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/opensource
[21:37] <ubptgbot> <J W> [Edit] Is there potential for porting Ububtu Touch on newer Nokia phones? I would help on testing and even try to help with porting it. I just don't have any experience with any porting whatever, but willing to learn. I have also dug around and found out that some of the kernel source code for these devices are open sourced and available onli
[21:37] <ubptgbot> ne. Here is acouple of links. But I don't know if they include the necessary vendor blobs or not. And the question of if they have unlockable bootloaders. … https://www.xda-developers.com/hmd-global-nokia-4-2-6-2-7-2-kernel-source/ … https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/opensource
 the main problem with HMD/Nokia devices is not having officially unlockable bootloader
 there are some unofficial ways to unlock bootloaders on some models, but this puts developers away from the brand
[21:51] <ubptgbot> <J W> @NotKit [the main problem with HMD/Nokia devices is not having officially unlockable boot …], But most brands don't have officially unlockable bootloaders anyways? If there is some that does, who are they?
 Xiaomi, OnePlus, Samsung, Moto, ZTE, etc do have
 @J W [But most brands don't have officially unlockable bootloaders anyways? If there i …], Most
 Uhh
 [Edit] Xiaomi, OnePlus, Samsung, Moto, ZTE, Pixel etc do have
 unlockable means phone is shipped locked, but vendor does not prevent you from unlocking the bootloader
[21:55] <ubptgbot> <J W> @NotKit [Xiaomi, OnePlus, Samsung, Moto, ZTE, Pixel etc do have], Oh ok. I didn't know. Last time I looked at this kind of stuff was 4 or 5 years ago with flashing CyanogenMod and other roms with some Nexus and Samsung devices.
[21:57] <ubptgbot> <J W> All I knew was the LG phones was a pain back then.
[22:04] <ubptgbot> <J W> *Know
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 Hello. I'm a SFOS user since 2015, but I'm also interested in UBTouch and other mobile gnu/linux systems. In march I will recieve a fxtec pro with ubuntu preisntalled, so I'll have the chance to test ubuntu^^
 hi @NotKit ^^
 hi, welcome here :)
 thanks :D
 @Mika07 [Hello. I'm a SFOS user since 2015, but I'm also interested in UBTouch and other …], Oh, how do you order it with Ubuntu? I can see LOS and SFOS on their website
 @xander2m [Oh, how do you order it with Ubuntu? I can see LOS and SFOS on their website], the indiegogo one
 Oh yes. Looks like it will make a good device for UT
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[23:40] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> Ty Sir Wayne.
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